As you all probably have noticed by now, Junior Cadougan's defense is absolutely atrocious. Yes, it's that bad that it's worth a new thread. His guy beats him and blows by him all game long which results in a collapse of the defense. People need to step up and help, resulting in some quick passes that usually ends up with an easy shot. All because of the god-awful on the ball defense by Cadougan. Just atrocious. Sit his fat a$$ on the bench until he figures out how to guard somebody. Very frustrating.
worst pg in the whole division. he has to be benched. start wilson.
Quote from: mugoose on January 04, 2012, 10:28:09 PM
worst pg in the whole division. he has to be benched. start wilson.
Glad someone agrees with me. Even if you don't start Wilson, I like the lineup of Vander at the PG, DJO, Crowder, J. Wilson, and Gardner. Going bigger and letting Jae or Jamil play more on the outside. Anything but Junior. He's garbage.
I was at the game tonight and Junior was pretty bad when he was in there. He just really seemed to struggle out there and looked indecisive on the offensive end, with more turnovers than assists. Blue had way more assists tonight than Junior. I don't know what Buzz is going to do, but I would consider having Junior come off the bench rather than start at least the next couple games.
I think it's inappropriate and objectionable to call someone "garbage." However, I agree that JR's game is the pits. For the past 2 years he's fooled and teased people by scoring big in the no-D Pro-Am and racking up tons of assists vs. cupcakes. But then when he faces quality teams he puts up anemic #s, to say the least. He's a bust. There can be no debate on that. Maybe if Buzz learned anything from tonite it's that going forward Blue should be the starting PG. That, and he should reach out to Jamal Branch. Assuming Branch doesn't have any baggage, we're not in any kind of position to turn away a highly ranked PG, who wants to play for us. Taking him in should be a no-brainer.
Quote from: Buzz's Tin on January 04, 2012, 10:30:44 PM
Glad someone agrees with me. Even if you don't start Wilson, I like the lineup of Vander at the PG, DJO, Crowder, J. Wilson, and Gardner. Going bigger and letting Jae or Jamil play more on the outside. Anything but Junior. He's garbage.
Going to be rough when Ox plays a full 40 minutes with your lineup, chief.
+100000 Boone.
Exactly what I've been saying, JC is only good against teams like Uwm, Depaul, etc. I also stated before BEAST play started JR would be useless. Can't wait to see what the rest of conference play has in store for our starting pg.
Quote from: marqptm on January 04, 2012, 10:49:13 PM
Going to be rough when Ox plays a full 40 minutes with your lineup, chief.
Never said Gardner would play 40 minutes. Never said any of them would play 40 minutes actually, smart a$$. That was my starting lineup, you know, the 5 that start the game. Then the coach usually makes a bunch of substitutions throughout the game and then the lineup changes, chief.
Quote from: mugoose on January 04, 2012, 10:28:09 PM
worst pg in the whole division. he has to be benched. start wilson.
This thread should be titled, "Junior's offense". He simply doesn't have any. I don't know if starting D-Will would help, he doesn't do a whole lot of scoring, either. But at least he wouldn't get abused on D, or turn the ball over.
All that being said -- and most of it true -- at least Junior stepped up and hit a huge basket down the stretch. More than can be said of the team's stars.
Quote from: Buzz's Tin on January 04, 2012, 11:08:19 PM
Never said Gardner would play 40 minutes. Never said any of them would play 40 minutes actually, smart a$$. That was my starting lineup, you know, the 5 that start the game. Then the coach usually makes a bunch of substitutions throughout the game and then the lineup changes, chief.
Who is subbing in then? How would any rotation work without a net loss? You would be forced playing Anderson and Jones. Its nice to like that lineup, but impossible to play.
Quote from: Buzz's Tin on January 04, 2012, 10:30:44 PM
I like the lineup of Vander at the PG, DJO, Crowder, J. Wilson, and Gardner. Going bigger and letting Jae or Jamil play more on the outside.
Only problem with that is the offense stands still when Vander is at the point. Today they were trying to milk clock in the 2nd half, but I feel the offense is just at a stand still when he has it. His d is better bit now that we aren't playing Mt. St. Marys he also has zero offensive game. A lot of unforced turnovers from van too
Quote from: seakm4 on January 05, 2012, 01:47:13 AMOnly problem with that is the offense stands still when Vander is at the point. Today they were trying to milk clock in the 2nd half, but I feel the offense is just at a stand still when he has it. His d is better bit now that we aren't playing Mt. St. Marys he also has zero offensive game. A lot of unforced turnovers from van too
Well, clearly you didn't see the Georgetown game.
I don't want to see our only three "big" men starting, but I could see starting Blue, Mayo, DJO, Jae, and Jamil. We still get some offensive punch off the bench with DG and maybe light a fire under Cadougan.
Quote from: seakm4 on January 05, 2012, 01:47:13 AM
Only problem with that is the offense stands still when Vander is at the point. Today they were trying to milk clock in the 2nd half, but I feel the offense is just at a stand still when he has it. His d is better bit now that we aren't playing Mt. St. Marys he also has zero offensive game. A lot of unforced turnovers from van too
Did you watch the game yesterday? He had six assists and one turnover. He took two shots...one of which was just fine.
Junior is a solid backup point guard. Blue should be the starter.
Quote from: mugoose on January 04, 2012, 10:28:09 PM
worst pg in the whole division. he has to be benched. start wilson.
you can't be serious
I was working and really only caught the collapse. It'd be nice if van could run the point. I'm saying all season long I feel our big scoring droughts come with Vander at the 1 and that a lot of his TOs are unforced.
The whole premise is wrong. Junior played 18 minutes last night. In the last 11, when we could not get into our offense, he played 2-3. It is no coincidence that our offense stagnated while DWilson, Blue, and Mayo were running theh point. There is a reason it looked like we had great movement during the first 27 minutes and looked like we were standing around on offense while G-town made its run.
Quote from: MU82 on January 04, 2012, 11:19:44 PM
All that being said -- and most of it true -- at least Junior stepped up and hit a huge basket down the stretch. More than can be said of the team's stars.
I was thinking the same thing. At least Junior made a positive contribution at the end when the senior "leaders" (and I use that term loosely) were crapping the bed.
Quote from: godzilla on January 05, 2012, 11:15:19 AM
I was thinking the same thing. At least Junior made a positive contribution at the end when the senior "leaders" (and I use that term loosely) were crapping the bed.
I have read a number of posts like this over the last couple of weeks. You know, I don't think our seniors are lacking leadership...I think they lack talent. Jae works his ass off...but he is limited physically. The guy cannot elevate worth anything. DJO also lacks a certain smoothness to his game that we saw a lot of out of Butler and Lazar.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on January 05, 2012, 12:01:30 PM
I have read a number of posts like this over the last couple of weeks. You know, I don't think our seniors are lacking leadership...I think they lack talent. Jae works his ass off...but he is limited physically. The guy cannot elevate worth anything. DJO also lacks a certain smoothness to his game that we saw a lot of out of Butler and Lazar.
I agree. Although he plays similar to Lazar in many ways, Jae lacks his vertical. People question why Jae doesn't dunk the ball close to the rim... Simply, he can't.
As for DJO, he's not a good shooter off the dribble, which limits his game. He shoots a set-shot, with little lift. Without the vertical lift on his shot, combined with his smaller size, it is difficult for him to create enough vertical space to hit a pull-up jumper. Instead he must fade-away to hit that shot, which is much more difficult. Also, his ball handling is average at best.
The seniors are the seniors and what they are. Junior fits into the same catagory - inconsistent. They all work hard. They all mean well. They are all good guys. But, they are all inconsistent. Why? Tired of mind, or of legs? Who knows, and who will say?