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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: nyg on January 04, 2012, 08:18:09 PM
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OK, probably worst letdown loss since Louisville last year. Alot of talk as to who is to blame. Is this one on Buzz?
Some things that drove me crazy were the switches on defense where MU continued to double team and left wide open threes and no defensive remedies for Clark in second half. Some mentioned the timeout when Mayo put MU up 17 and stopped the momentum.
Feel bad for the team because now it's Cuse and hope the dagger will be pulled out by then.
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Buzz's big mistake tonight was not playing Cadougan enough in the second half. The offense stagnated for too long without him. That, and after I started counting at the 11 minute mark of the second half, I counted 9 fouls on G-town not called.
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Lack of depth. We essentially played seven. I think they wore us down. Still, no excuse, but a concern as the season wears on. Jones, Anderson, and tonight DWil were not factors.
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Buzz's big mistake tonight was not playing Cadougan enough in the second half.
Disagree completely. Junior was AWFUL, again, tonight. He's becoming an issue for this team. He can't score, and can't defend anyone.
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Buzz's big mistake tonight was not playing Cadougan enough in the second half. The offense stagnated for too long without him. That, and after I started counting at the 11 minute mark of the second half, I counted 9 fouls on G-town not called.
I am not blaming the loss on the refs because we should have won anyway, but you are right. There were several, and I mean SEVERAL, missed fouls on Gtown. Not to mention, we got called on everything. Biggest miss was the charge on the last Gtown three....
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Crowder and DJO.
They're the senior leaders on this team and down the stretch, they were no where to be found. Neither made a FG in the final 9 minutes of the game and they only contributed 4 points in the final 12 minutes. On top of that, Crowder let his man drive around him to set up the game-winning shot. Inexcusable.
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Total team loss. JC couldn't get in a groove. DJO was non existent in the end. He has a big Turnover too. Blue didn't do anything on offense in the second half. Crowder blew some critical plays. Wilson had a bad turnover. Mayo had a bad turnover and didn't do much in the second half. Oh well. Game 2 and it was away. It hurts because I feel like this one might sting in 2 months.
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As the lead was dwindling I looked at my son and said "Hey, as long as we don't make stupid turnovers, hit our free throws and don't give open looks to GU for easy shots, we will be fine."
Oops.....strike one, two and three.
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Total team loss. JC couldn't get in a groove. DJO was non existent in the end. He has a big Turnover too. Blue didn't do anything on offense in the second half. Crowder blew some critical plays. Wilson had a bad turnover. Mayo had a bad turnover and didn't do much in the second half. Oh well. Game 2 and it was away. It hurts because I feel like this one might sting in 2 months.
This is a very good summary...
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i think you have to put this one on BUZZ and no ability to stop the bleeding and get his team focused,
yes there were bad fouls, another was the hack on mayo going up for the baseline layup that wasnt called .
Mayo definitely seems like he wants to be "THE MAN" for this team he just need to learn a little more control because i think he definitely has a lot of potential, certainly more than blue.
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what a buzz kill
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Crowder and DJO.
They're the senior leaders on this team and down the stretch, they were no where to be found. Neither made a FG in the final 9 minutes of the game and they only contributed 4 points in the final 12 minutes. On top of that, Crowder let his man drive around him to set up the game-winning shot. Inexcusable.
+10000 I was disappointed in both. I mentioned in another thread, when GU was cutting into the lead, I said to my son it was time for DJO to take over. He was MIA most of the 2nd half. Crowder was horrendous on D and on the boards. He did not do much offensively during that run, either. I was hoping for one or both to step up.
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Georgetown got the benefit of virtually every call but, let's face it, they are better at every position. This is a MU team that will run and gun but has no inside game and plays zero defense, and as long as Buzz is there that's how we will live or die.
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Disagree completely. Junior was AWFUL, again, tonight. He's becoming an issue for this team. He can't score, and can't defend anyone.
We took about 15 shots in the second half. Cadougan played about 4 minutes. Do the math. He took the tough shot to tie the game back up when DJO and Jae were standing around. We spent 13 minutes unable to get into our offense. Yes, G-town stepped up their defense, but IMO it was because DWil replaced Blue and Junior almost never got back on the floor.
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Georgetown got the benefit of virtually every call but, let's face it, they are better at every position. This is a MU team that will run and gun but has no inside game and plays zero defense, and as long as Buzz is there that's how we will live or die.
sad, but true.
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Georgetown got the benefit of virtually every call but, let's face it, they are better at every position. This is a MU team that will run and gun but has no inside game and plays zero defense, and as long as Buzz is there that's how we will live or die.
The lead was built by the defense.
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It falls on Buzz. A 15pt lead blown with 10 minutes left is terrible. A coach should be able to get his team through these. Tonight and the L'Ville game are on his shoulders. He has GOT to get better at this, it's absolutely inexcusable to let your team slide like that.
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I can't blame the refs as there were questionable calls both ways. Cadougan was not good tonight on either end except for the layup towards the end. As I said after the Nova game, DJO always starts off hot but is almost never a factor at the end. Take him out of it and we have very few options. Just disgusting that we can't hold a lead.
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It falls on Buzz. A 15pt lead blown with 10 minutes left is terrible. A coach should be able to get his team through these. Tonight and the L'Ville game are on his shoulders. He has GOT to get better at this, it's absolutely inexcusable to let your team slide like that.
When does it become the responsibility of the players on the floor?
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When does it become the responsibility of the players on the floor?
Doesn't the ultimate responsibility always fall on the coach? Poor defense and huge blown leads are a trademark of Buzz Williams. I suppose it's like the previous poster said...this is what MU will always be with this coach and fans have to live with it.
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A major problem in this and other losses like it the last few years is that we start to work the clock and protect the lead. With our talent, it leads to turnovers and forced shots with the clock winding down. We are not a half court offensive team. We got away from what we do best. You could see this coming and you could see it coming against Louisville last year. Plus, you can blame the younger players, but where is the senior leadership? Nowhere to be found at the end. One had lots of point, but also a lot of shots and none of those points at the end. The other was absent offensively at the end and was a big factor in the open threes.
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We have no inside presence on offense. We're so small that when someone does get inside, they get their shot swatted back in their face. Gardner is the closest thing, but he's too inconsistent to be counted on. One big man who can go the hoop with some authority on offense would be so nice to have.
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A major problem in this and other losses like it the last few years is that we start to work the clock and protect the lead. With our talent, it leads to turnovers and forced shots with the clock winding down. We are not a half court offensive team. We got away from what we do best. You could see this coming and you could see it coming against Louisville last year. Plus, you can blame the younger players, but where is the senior leadership? Nowhere to be found at the end. One had lots of point, but also a lot of shots and none of those points at the end. The other was absent offensively at the end and was a big factor in the open threes.
I didn't see this. I did see GU force MU further out. Perhaps you viewed that as MU milking the clock.
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When does it become the responsibility of the players on the floor?
When the trend goes beyond one roster and many different players, I perosnally question coaching.
Having said that...I'm not gonna sit here and imply that Buzz should be fired like the previous poster, I just think he simply needs to learn how to close out games as it's been a weakness of his. He's young and he'll figure it out, but I think he needs to learn how to withstand these meltdowns.
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When the trend goes beyond one roster and many different players, I perosnally question coaching.
Having said that...I'm not gonna sit here and imply that Buzz should be fired like the previous poster, I just think he simply needs to learn how to close out games as it's been a weakness of his. He's young and he'll figure it out, but I think he needs to learn how to withstand these meltdowns.
I agree with that comment. I just expect the leaders to take over when they need to. Today, that did not happen.
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8 minutes w/o a basket. One of the seniors has to step up at that point.
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Clark certainly took over for GT. I think if someone wanted the ball and showed something we would have rallied.
That said at 9 minutes left I blurted out "Here Comes the Choke"
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[quote author=ecompt link=topic=29553.msg342076#msg342076 date=1325730636...... This is a MU team that will run and gun but has no inside game and plays zero defense, and as long as Buzz is there that's how we will live or die.
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And you know what? I really don't need to watch sloppy basketball. Call me when the tournaments start.
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Lots of blame to go around but I'm most disappointed by the play of our seniors.
Jae's my favorite player on the current roster and I'm incredibly frustrated with the defense he played at the end of the game. He gambled on a steal and then seemed to "release" upcourt giving away a lay-up. Then he falls asleep as a 250-pound center beats him off the bounce at 17 feet. Stop those two buckets or at least make the Hoyas work and it could have been a different ending.
And then there's DJO. He disappeared ENTIRELY in the second half. All Big East players find a way to get the ball. In the last two games DJO has disappeared in the second half.
So frustrating because I don't know how many times we've beat a Top 10 team on the road. We had that chance tonight and we blew it.
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Doesn't the ultimate responsibility always fall on the coach? Poor defense and huge blown leads are a trademark of Buzz Williams. I suppose it's like the previous poster said...this is what MU will always be with this coach and fans have to live with it.
Not according to Al McGuire, put better athletes on the court and you'll win. Gtown has better athletes. Hope Buzz can find those athletes. Since I went to MU during the early Al years I must say Buzz is doing just as well if not better than Al in his first 4 years at MU. If we had the internet back then Al would have been tarred and feathered long before the 77 championship. Yes the team has its weaknesses and it will take Buzz time to find the athletes to make up for those short comings.
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And then there's DJO. He disappeared ENTIRELY in the second half. All Big East players find a way to get the ball. In the last two games DJO has disappeared in the second half.
That wasn't entirely his fault. Watch the last 10 minutes of the game again (if you can), and you'll see #55 and #2 completely blanket DJO, with or without the ball. #2 ended up with a +/- of +16 while playing 17 minutes and scoring 2 points because of his defense on DJO.
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They also began to switch every screen so DJO couldn't get open. And he can't create his own shot for the most part.
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Watching that game, it was pretty simple to me...Gardner played too many minutes (31) and was completely ineffective down the stretch. I think we miss COT waaaayyyy more than people may realize. Unless he felt he really had no choice, which I assume was the case, shame on Buzz for keeping him in there. Then again, not a lot of options.
Still not terribly concerned. This one was a loss going in, and while they had a chance to steal a nice win, it is just a loss on the road. Looks to me like a team still finding itself somewhat, particularly after Otule went out.
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Teams that blow 17 point leads are either tired, out of shape, or (over/under) coached out of the lead. This fan leaves it to other Warrior fans to determine which it might have been. However, it seems from this perspective that Coach Williams (again) over-coached them out of the game.