I think we got beat by 20+ by Cincinnati in the 94-95 season. Mike Deane was the coach. Its hard to beleive a team with this talent level could be blown out that badly at home. At least some of that needs to be on Buzz for not having some answer as things got out of hand.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on December 29, 2011, 11:40:13 PM
I think we got beat by 20+ by Cincinnati in the 94-95 season. Mike Deane was the coach. Its hard to beleive a team with this talent level could be blown out that badly at home. At least some of that needs to be on Buzz for not having some answer as things got out of hand.
What's he supposed to do? Go out and shoot for the team? How many 2 footers did Crowder miss early on (and late on)? How many wide open shots did DJO miss early on? We got looks. The ball did not go in. Buzz isn't the one shooting. I will say that he needs to realize he cannot go offense/defense for an entire game. It works for maybe the last 4 minutes, but not for 40 minutes. Prevents guys from getting into a flow. But the only players who can get into any type of flow anyway are DJO, Crowder, and Mayo.
Vandy is a really good team. In 2006 we lost at home to North Dakota State when we were ranked #9.
Also in 2005 we lost to UAB by 23 at home (February 2, 2005)
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/uab_02_02_05
That was a week after losing by 47 at Lousiville
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/ul_01_26_05
2004 we lost at home to Southern Miss by 22
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/southern_mississippi
and by 18 at home to Memphis State a few weeks later (that's one more than tonight)
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/memphis_state
and finally on Feb 16, 2000 we lost by 20 to DePaul at home.
Hardly, if you're going by points alone, on Feb 2, 2005 Marquette lost at home to UAB 86-63.
The way my calculator works, that's 23 pts (vs 17 today), less than 7 years ago, and against a much team that's similar in numbers (#56 Vandy 2012, #59 UAB 2005 via Ken Pomeroy ).
Worst home loss in 7 years? Possibly.
edit: crap, Another beat me to it.
Ok Missed the UAB game. So 2 similiar home losing margins in 17 years.
As for what Buzz could have done most of the MU shots in the first half were highly contested. We needed to call time-out to get DJO or Jae an open look. Burn all your time outs in the first half if you have to. I realize that Buzz's offense is very unstructured and requires guys to flow to the open space but when that's not working you've got to do something different to try to stop the bleeding and get your team some confidence
Quote from: NotAnAlum on December 30, 2011, 12:01:43 AM
Ok Missed the UAB game. So 2 similiar home losing margins in 17 years.
As for what Buzz could have done most of the MU shots in the first half were highly contested. We needed to call time-out to get DJO or Jae an open look. Burn all your time outs in the first half if you have to. I realize that Buzz's offense is very unstructured and requires guys to flow to the open space but when that's not working you've got to do something different to try to stop the bleeding and get your team some confidence
Did you watch the game? Almost every Jae and DJO shot was open ... and missed. Jae couldn't even hit FTs tonight.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on December 30, 2011, 12:01:43 AM
Ok Missed the UAB game. So 2 similiar home losing margins in 17 years.
You're really going to make me bring up the Jan 16, 2004 83-61 loss to Southern Mississippi? I know it was technically not "home", but no way that should have a been a 22 pt loss playing S Miss in Green Bay!
"The Golden Eagles traveled 1,100 miles to play what was technically a home game against No. 21 Marquette and ended up routing the Golden Eagles from Milwaukee 83-61 Friday night behind 24 points from Greg Johnson."
C'mon. Just admit you were wrong and exaggerating an I can stop bringing up these excruciatingly painful memories!
Or I could mention Feb 14, 2004, when MU lost truly AT HOME by 18 points to Memphis 89-71. Again, worse than tonight.
Tell me I don't have to continue this absurdity.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 29, 2011, 11:55:42 PM
and finally on Feb 16, 2000 we lost by 20 to DePaul at home.
Now I see you've been sniping me by editing your post! Anyhow I was saving that one for later. But more to the original point of "I think we got beat by 20+ by Cincinnati in the 94-95 season", we actually lost by 27 to Cincy at home that year(91-64), and later lost in the GMC tournament in MILWAUKEE by 17 points to St Louis 73-56.
So I hope all that depressing data puts things in perspective that this team isn't that horrible, but did have a horrible first 10min or so!
I love our rich tradition of getting walloped at home!
Home or away, if you look at offensive efficiency, this was the 24th worst game over the past 15+ years actually. That is a lot of stink. Including this game, ten of these occurred at home, including the four worst. Marquette was ranked for seven of these games, and lost six of them.
However, this is the absolute worst offensively efficient (or inefficient) game under Buzz.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/stats?season1=1997&season2=2011&conf=&team=marquette&stat=efficiency&low=1
Adding to this anomaly, MU won three of the four factors last night, with obviously eFG% being the fatal flaw. MU won the 2nd half, but the opening stretch was just brutal. Do we really think this is that bad of a shooting team for this to continue? It is BE time and time for Buzz to alter his substitution patterns, insert Todd and/or Jamil into the starting line-up to space the zone against MU. Junior and Vander are effective against a man defense and in transition, but they do not add a lot of offensive value dribbling the ball around outside the free throw line extended for 25 seconds against a match-up zone. MU needs height and pop to get them rolling.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2011/12/29/vanderbilt-74-marquette-57
Losing to Western Michigan in the NIT during dickhead's regime was the worst home loss in the recent past.
I think in the 90's MU had 10 points at halftime versus Wisconsin.
4 ever is right ...people may tend to forget but in the 5th and 6th years of Crean's tenure when he had a team full of barely D1 caliber players we were getting destroyed at home on a regular basis.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on December 29, 2011, 11:40:13 PM
Mike Deane was the coach.
Maine.
(not in regards to margin, but a totally shell-shocked "where the f did that come from?" result)
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on December 30, 2011, 09:47:08 AM
4 ever is right ...people may tend to forget but in the 5th and 6th years of Crean's tenure when he had a team full of barely D1 caliber players we were getting destroyed at home on a regular basis.
You mean when we leveraged the final four team into recruiting Brandon Bell, Carlton Christian, James Mathews and Niv Berkowich?
I second that Maine loss, MU went to the tourney that year too and had an NBA player (Crawford) on the roster.
We finally had a good crowd that was ready to be behind the team the whole night, we were erupting when we would get within 17!
Imagine if it was a tight game from the beginning, the crowd would have been great.
must be the gold unis.....we always play bad in them........
Quote from: DJO's Pump Fake on December 30, 2011, 12:10:51 PM
must be the gold unis.....we always play bad in them........
Gold is the new baby blue?
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on December 30, 2011, 09:47:08 AM
4 ever is right ...people may tend to forget but in the 5th and 6th years of Crean's tenure when he had a team full of barely D1 caliber players we were getting destroyed at home on a regular basis.
You will have to define regular basis and destroyed at home because neither fits my definitions. In year five, MU lost two home games by double digits. 12 point loss to #10 Cincinnati and an 18 point loss to Memphis. They lost to Southern Miss in Green Bay, but not a game at the Bradley Center. Year 6, three such losses again with Travis Diener hurt for some of them.
Those MU teams were not picked to be very good due to who they lost after the Final Four team. This year's MU team is supposed to be very good.
Last night I would rate as one of the five worst losses in the last 10 years. The NCAA game against Washington is up there. Last year's debacle against Louisville. The Western Michigan game in the NIT and the Louisville game at home when that idiot from Minnesota cost us the game with his lane violation actions. If I go beyond 10 years, the Maine game would be one. Notre Dame under O'Neill. Tyrone Baldwin over and back against Wisconsin. There are many. Last night makes my top 5 for the last five years because we never showed up. Never put up a fight and looked absolutely terrible from start to finish against a team that is not ranked, already has four losses and we were at home.
You can't look at just the final score in a media guide and say one loss was worse than another. Yesterday we were blown out and never got closer than 17 points the entire game. Vandy lost to Indiana State this year at home and to Cleveland State (a decent team). LSU lost to Coastal Carolina. Some of the losses that people here are equating to others in the past decade might be on target, but we were in most of those games until late. We were never in this game with 37 minutes to play. Six points in the first 10 minutes. Just a clunker or are we trending poorly? We are not a top 15 team right now. People complaining about not being ranked ahead of Wisconsin should just stop right now, whether we beat them or not they are a better basketball team right now.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on December 30, 2011, 05:42:26 PM
Those MU teams were not picked to be very good due to who they lost after the Final Four team. This year's MU team is supposed to be very good.
First of all, you're wrong. The 2003-04 team, with 3 starters and super 6th man Steve Novak returning, was picked as the #23 team in both the AP and the ESPN polls, a mere 6 slots behind this year's team.
Secondly, why are you bringing up whether or not teams are "picked" to be good when you're on record as saying that such expectations are meaningless?
Let us know how Chico told you on facebook to respond.
Meh...can the thread title be changed now that the OP has been debunked a half-dozen times over?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 30, 2011, 08:49:52 AM
Losing to Western Michigan in the NIT during dickhead's regime was the worst home loss in the recent past.
That was a brutally depressing, Half empty lower bowl loss. Brutal. There are bad losses and there are depressing bad losses. The Vandy loss was bad, not depressing. We've got an entire season left. This team is good
And our coach isn't an a55hole
Quote from: Hoopaloop on December 30, 2011, 05:42:26 PM
You will have to define regular basis and destroyed at home because neither fits my definitions. In year five, MU lost two home games by double digits. 12 point loss to #10 Cincinnati and an 18 point loss to Memphis. They lost to Southern Miss in Green Bay, but not a game at the Bradley Center. Year 6, three such losses again with Travis Diener hurt for some of them.
Those MU teams were not picked to be very good due to who they lost after the Final Four team. This year's MU team is supposed to be very good.
Last night I would rate as one of the five worst losses in the last 10 years. The NCAA game against Washington is up there. Last year's debacle against Louisville. The Western Michigan game in the NIT and the Louisville game at home when that idiot from Minnesota cost us the game with his lane violation actions. If I go beyond 10 years, the Maine game would be one. Notre Dame under O'Neill. Tyrone Baldwin over and back against Wisconsin. There are many. Last night makes my top 5 for the last five years because we never showed up. Never put up a fight and looked absolutely terrible from start to finish against a team that is not ranked, already has four losses and we were at home.
You can't look at just the final score in a media guide and say one loss was worse than another. Yesterday we were blown out and never got closer than 17 points the entire game. Vandy lost to Indiana State this year at home and to Cleveland State (a decent team). LSU lost to Coastal Carolina. Some of the losses that people here are equating to others in the past decade might be on target, but we were in most of those games until late. We were never in this game with 37 minutes to play. Six points in the first 10 minutes. Just a clunker or are we trending poorly? We are not a top 15 team right now. People complaining about not being ranked ahead of Wisconsin should just stop right now, whether we beat them or not they are a better basketball team right now.
Not the 47 point drubbing on national tv against Louisville? Really?
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on December 30, 2011, 10:18:54 PM
Not the 47 point drubbing on national tv against Louisville? Really?
For some strange reason, Hoop has vivid memories of every bad MU loss under Buzz but is a little fuzzy about TC's stinkers. Go figure.
The 47 point loss at Louisville wasn't a home loss, nor was last year's meltdown
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on December 30, 2011, 10:18:54 PM
Not the 47 point drubbing on national tv against Louisville? Really?
That was really bad, but without Diener and on the road everyone knew we would get blown out. Probably not that bad. To show how valuable Diener was, about 3 weeks later we played that same Louisville team at the BC and led by 11 with under ten minutes to play. That was the embarrassing part to me, especially with the Amoroso stupidity at the end. I'm sure we all have different criteria for bad losses. Blowing big leads is one of them. Never showing up is another. You are right in that we never showed up at that Louisville game. Nor did we at home against Vanderbilt.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 30, 2011, 10:52:58 PM
For some strange reason, Hoop has vivid memories of every bad MU loss under Buzz but is a little fuzzy about TC's stinkers. Go figure.
I gave my top 5 worst losses in the last 10 years and two of the five were TC's. Much of it has to do with where we are, who is healthy, were we in the game, did we control the game and collapse. You are free to use your own criteria, but I certainly haven't excused any of TC's losses as you imply.
Quote from: tower912 on December 30, 2011, 07:48:23 PM
Let us know how Chico told you on facebook to respond.
He has never told me how to respond. He's in Colorado with his family I believe, but not once has he said go to Scoop and say this. Probably 3 or 4 times tops I have reached out to him about a game or his perspective, but not the other way around.
I am my own my man with my own beliefs, my own set of morals, my own two eyeballs, my own opinions.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on December 31, 2011, 11:51:06 AM
I gave my top 5 worst losses in the last 10 years and two of the five were TC's. Much of it has to do with where we are, who is healthy, were we in the game, did we control the game and collapse. You are free to use your own criteria, but I certainly haven't excused any of TC's losses as you imply.
All 5 of MU's worst losses are TC's.
Everybody knows that.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on December 31, 2011, 12:32:54 PM
All 5 of MU's worst losses are TC's.
Everybody knows that.
Only because none of Buzz's losses can be truly evaluated until he's been here for at least five years.
Everybody knows that.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 31, 2011, 01:01:40 PM
Only because none of Buzz's losses can be truly evaluated until he's been here for at least five years.
Everybody knows that.
You're right.
Before calling for Buzz to be fired or offering him a lifetime contract, I like to see him go through a couple of recruiting cycles and have an opportunity to coach his own players. I've been very impressed so far, but even if MU was struggling, I think you have to give a coach enough time to coach his own guys.
What is wrong with that?
The team does not have the talent , especially without Otule, to compete with big physical athletic front lines. Those games we are usually going to lose. No need to go overboard on it. The problem is not with Buzz. The problem here is with posters on this board who think we are better than we are after we beat a bunch of non-major pogroms. Posters were even saying things like how many games would our bench win in the Big East. Now that is getting really over excited. The worst way to evaluate your team is watch players play in the pro am. The second is to watch them play in November. This team still will dominate most teams in the country. The trouble is we will not be playing many more of those teams we can expect to dominate. We will have maybe three games in the Big East that we will dominate. I would expect to lose at Syracuse, Uconn and Georgetown. The rest are going to depend on how well we play that day. Basically, break even in those 12 games and we finish 9-9.
Quote from: bilsu on December 31, 2011, 02:25:56 PM
The team does not have the talent , especially without Otule, to compete with big physical athletic front lines. Those games we are usually going to lose. No need to go overboard on it. The problem is not with Buzz. The problem here is with posters on this board who think we are better than we are after we beat a bunch of non-major pogroms. Posters were even saying things like how many games would our bench win in the Big East. Now that is getting really over excited. The worst way to evaluate your team is watch players play in the pro am. The second is to watch them play in November. This team still will dominate most teams in the country. The trouble is we will not be playing many more of those teams we can expect to dominate. We will have maybe three games in the Big East that we will dominate. I would expect to lose at Syracuse, Uconn and Georgetown. The rest are going to depend on how well we play that day. Basically, break even in those 12 games and we finish 9-9.
We beat Ole Miss (as good as LSU), Wisconsin (probably the best team we've played), and Washington, who's not exactly non-major. We've beat more high-major programs than we've lost to.
The problem isn't that we don't have the talent, it's that we don't have any adequate backup for our starting center. Gardner is fine for what he is, but he simply isn't a replacement for CO, he's a change of pace.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on December 30, 2011, 05:42:26 PM
People complaining about not being ranked ahead of Wisconsin should just stop right now, whether we beat them or not they are a better basketball team right now.
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Really? Iowa (who have 5 double digit losses including a 16 point home loss to Campbell College) 72-UW 65.