I got to the BC about 15 minutes prior to tip-off and witnessed what appeared to be Vanderbilt's entire team on the floor going through lay-up lines, taking jumpers, 3s and FTs. Meanwhile, at the other end of the court, a few of MU's players were taking some shots and doing some horsing around. About 10 minutes prior to tip, MU headed into the lockerroom. They emerged with under a minute to go in "warm-up time," danced around and then headed to the bench for the anthem and intros. Not even a lay-up line. I don't think I've ever seen that before but I have to think that this had some effect on MU's awful shooting to start the game. Literally no one on the team had even attempted a shot in probably 15-20 minutes when the game began. What gives?
I wish our problems were only caused by our warm up regimen. Same problems, beginning with defense, have crept up against good teams since Buzz has been here.
Noticed that and didn't like it at all. No warming up....just dancing together. Very strange. Buzz didn't even come out until the buzzer. I figure there was some out of the ordinary speech before the game.....whatever happened, hopefully it is not repeated.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 29, 2011, 10:35:21 PM
I got to the BC about 15 minutes prior to tip-off and witnessed what appeared to be Vanderbilt's entire team on the floor going through lay-up lines, taking jumpers, 3s and FTs. Meanwhile, at the other end of the court, a few of MU's players were taking some shots and doing some horsing around. About 10 minutes prior to tip, MU headed into the lockerroom. They emerged with under a minute to go in "warm-up time," danced around and then headed to the bench for the anthem and intros. Not even a lay-up line. I don't think I've ever seen that before but I have to think that this had some effect on MU's awful shooting to start the game. Literally no one on the team had even attempted a shot in probably 15-20 minutes when the game began. What gives?
Noticed the same thing at the MU-UW game at MSG. May contribute to a slow start, but we could have practiced an extra 30 minutes and it wouldn't have helped tonight, unless they practiced being taller.
Yeah it has nothing to do with a lack of warmups at all. Let's face it, Vanderbilt is a MUCH better team that Marquette is. Much better. Marquette has 3 guys who can score. Mayo, Crowder, and DJO. Jamil can every once in a while. When you have 3 guys on the court that you literally have to worry only about not allowing them a layup (and even that...how many layups did we miss tonight?) to keep them from scoring, it's pretty hard to beat a team.
You go position by position and you might take 1 guy on Marquette's team over Vanderbilt's. Tinsley over Cadougan no question. Jenkins over DJO no question. Taylor over Blue no question. I guess Crowder over Golbourne, but even that is close to be honest. And both Ezili and Tchiengang over both Otule and Gardner no question. They had 2" on us at every position.
And how can anybody possibly get into a flow when you sub offense/defense THE ENTIRE GAME? Buzz will learn that that does not work (I hope he does).
Warmups are the least of our problems. Show up 2 hours before the game and you will see the warmup routine they go through. It is intense and focused.
Quote from: CTWarrior on December 29, 2011, 10:44:06 PM
Noticed the same thing at the MU-UW game at MSG. May contribute to a slow start, but we could have practived and extra 30 minutes and it wouldn't have helped tonight, unless they practiced being taller.
So you think that being taller would have prevented them from shooting 2-18 to start the game?
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 29, 2011, 10:46:36 PM
So you think that being taller would have prevented them from shooting 2-18 to start the game?
Would've helped. How many 2 footers did Jae miss because he is 6'6" trying to muscle past Ezili who is 6'11"?
Quote from: Stone Cold on December 29, 2011, 10:38:06 PM
I wish our problems were only caused by our warm up regimen. Same problems, beginning with defense, have crept up against good teams since Buzz has been here.
Certainly a possibility for the problems to start there. Noticed the exact same scenario and hated it. I and others got the impression that we were cocky and gunna roll over Vandy. I think everyone looks to much into te rankings and even though I love them when we see Vandy is unranked the team gets a different demeanor towards the game. Why is it when we play an exhibition or away game 75ft away from our home court we stay at a hotel and go through the same routine but we can't to the same routine in layup lines. Could be looking to much into it but I got the impression that we just werent ready for the game. Losing is one thing, effort is another.
Sometimes I wonder if people actually read posts on here. I said that the lack of warm-ups may have contributed to the slow start on offense (MU made 1 of their first 17 shots). Apparently to some people that means "Marquette lost because they didn't warm up enough."
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 29, 2011, 10:53:26 PM
Sometimes I wonder if people actually read posts on here. I said that the lack of warm-ups may have contributed to the slow start on offense (MU made 1 of their first 17 shots). Apparently to some people that means "Marquette lost because they didn't warm up enough."
I was agreeing with you, just expanding that even if we were warmed and ready to go, we weren't going to win this game.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 29, 2011, 10:53:26 PM
Sometimes I wonder if people actually read posts on here. I said that the lack of warm-ups may have contributed to the slow start on offense (MU made 1 of their first 17 shots). Apparently to some people that means "Marquette lost because they didn't warm up enough."
Nope. As I said, show up 2 hours before the game and you'll see, there is not a lack of focused warmup. They get into it.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 29, 2011, 11:00:26 PM
Nope. As I said, show up 2 hours before the game and you'll see, there is not a lack of focused warmup. They get into it.
Yes, but that's 1-2 hours before the game.
I think they do this every game, and have for the four years Buzz has been the coach. Same hold true for the start of the second half.
Is this going to be the new "no practicing free-throws" complaint?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 29, 2011, 11:05:26 PM
I think they do this every game, and have for the four years Buzz has been the coach. Same hold true for the start of the second half.
Is this going to be the new "no practicing free-throws" complaint?
They haven't done that every game, which is why I thought it was odd. I'm actually sorry I brought it up since the reading comprehension this late at night seems to be lacking.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 29, 2011, 11:01:55 PM
Yes, but that's 1-2 hours before the game.
To me that's what you need. I think warmups are for getting warm. I do not think layup lines get players warm or are important repetitions. How many wide open layups or pull up jumpers do you see happen in a division 1 college basketball game? Very rarely. The warmup lines right before the game don't really get players warm. I don't think they're important at all.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 29, 2011, 11:08:09 PM
They haven't done that every game, which is why I thought it was odd. I'm actually sorry I brought it up since the reading comprehension this late at night seems to be lacking.
What you described is something I've noticed at every game I've been to over the last four years.
Ok, and did you hear homer on the radio after DJO's first miss? He said they watched him hit 10 in a row from the same spot during practice earlier that night (which I think qualifies as "warm ups"). So, they obviously "warmed up" and shot well in practice.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 29, 2011, 11:09:55 PM
To me that's what you need. I think warmups are for getting warm. I do not think layup lines get players warm or are important repetitions. How many wide open layups or pull up jumpers do you see happen in a division 1 college basketball game? Very rarely. The warmup lines right before the game don't really get players warm. I don't think they're important at all.
Fair enough. Although, I would assume that you haven't participated in many organized sports in your life if you don't feel that getting loose shortly before a game begins is very important.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 29, 2011, 11:17:42 PM
Fair enough. Although, I would assume that you haven't participated in many organized sports in your life if you don't feel that getting loose shortly before a game begins is very important.
I've played plenty of organized sports. Work up a sweat with some sort of running, stretch for a while, then work up another sweat. That's how I get loose. Not with some half-ass layup lines 2 minutes before an intense basketball game. I can guarantee you the guys are plenty warm before they come out and dance around like goons a minute before the game. In fact, I guarantee you that dancing around loosens them up more than standing in a line and watching 14 other guys take a shot before they put up 1 wide open layup or jumper.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 29, 2011, 11:37:02 PM
I've played plenty of organized sports. Work up a sweat with some sort of running, stretch for a while, then work up another sweat. That's how I get loose. Not with some half-ass layup lines 2 minutes before an intense basketball game. I can guarantee you the guys are plenty warm before they come out and dance around like goons a minute before the game. In fact, I guarantee you that dancing around loosens them up more than standing in a line and watching 14 other guys take a shot before they put up 1 wide open layup or jumper.
+1
When Buzz did come out right before the buzzer he looked flustered and stressed. Much more so than usual. Something got under Buzz's skin before the game, and I would bet it affected the rest of the team too.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 29, 2011, 10:35:21 PM
I got to the BC about 15 minutes prior to tip-off and witnessed what appeared to be Vanderbilt's entire team on the floor going through lay-up lines, taking jumpers, 3s and FTs. Meanwhile, at the other end of the court, a few of MU's players were taking some shots and doing some horsing around. About 10 minutes prior to tip, MU headed into the lockerroom. They emerged with under a minute to go in "warm-up time," danced around and then headed to the bench for the anthem and intros. Not even a lay-up line. I don't think I've ever seen that before but I have to think that this had some effect on MU's awful shooting to start the game. Literally no one on the team had even attempted a shot in probably 15-20 minutes when the game began. What gives?
Was at the game and noticed it as well. Seemed strange to me.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on December 29, 2011, 10:35:21 PM
I got to the BC about 15 minutes prior to tip-off and witnessed what appeared to be Vanderbilt's entire team on the floor going through lay-up lines, taking jumpers, 3s and FTs. Meanwhile, at the other end of the court, a few of MU's players were taking some shots and doing some horsing around. About 10 minutes prior to tip, MU headed into the lockerroom. They emerged with under a minute to go in "warm-up time," danced around and then headed to the bench for the anthem and intros. Not even a lay-up line. I don't think I've ever seen that before but I have to think that this had some effect on MU's awful shooting to start the game. Literally no one on the team had even attempted a shot in probably 15-20 minutes when the game began. What gives?
Was also at the game way early and noticed that Vandy warmed up a lot more than we did. I commented to my friend about that. Must be a reason I guess.
Quote from: DomJamesToTheBasket on December 29, 2011, 10:39:55 PM
Noticed that and didn't like it at all. No warming up....just dancing together. Very strange. Buzz didn't even come out until the buzzer. I figure there was some out of the ordinary speech before the game.....whatever happened, hopefully it is not repeated.
Mike Maddox or larussa is my guess.
It honestly isn't a reach to link the worst shooting display I've seen ANYWHERE to not taking shots before the game. I don't ever remember seeing a team first take the floor and not take shots. That has a lot to do for starting 2-20 or whatever it was. Every time you leave the court, you need to get reacclimated.......I don't care if you've played on the court 1000 times....and last I checked, the guys don't practice on the BC floor....you need to take some shots and find your range. I never want to see a MU team start a game without taking shots again.
I think if people want to complain (and I am CERTAINLY not one of them) about what Marquette does before games, it's not a lazy layup line minutes before the game starts. I will say that Buzz and the team go through a relatively rigorous shoot around, which Buzz refers to more as a practice, hours before the game.
As for the warming up, Marquette shoots around for a while about an hour before the game, comes out about 30 minutes and does the equivalent to layup lines to warm up. To think, even for a second, that Marquette not warming up minutes before the game has any correlation to the slow start is ridiculous, to put it nicely. Let's be real.
It probably was Higgins being there that got to Buzz.
It had nothing to do with warm ups. I doubt our routine was any different at LSU when we started 13-0.
Quote from: DomJamesToTheBasket on December 30, 2011, 02:07:03 AM
It honestly isn't a reach to link the worst shooting display I've seen ANYWHERE to not taking shots before the game. I don't ever remember seeing a team first take the floor and not take shots. That has a lot to do for starting 2-20 or whatever it was. Every time you leave the court, you need to get reacclimated.......I don't care if you've played on the court 1000 times....and last I checked, the guys don't practice on the BC floor....you need to take some shots and find your range. I never want to see a MU team start a game without taking shots again.
So by this logic Todd Mayo can never be effect. He sit on the bench for 15 minutes before he comes into game.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 29, 2011, 11:12:06 PM
What you described is something I've noticed at every game I've been to over the last four years.
Ok, and did you hear homer on the radio after DJO's first miss? He said they watched him hit 10 in a row from the same spot during practice earlier that night (which I think qualifies as "warm ups"). So, they obviously "warmed up" and shot well in practice.
Nope. It was different and noticeable. Only Monarch was out when the officials came down the line to shake the coaches hands. Buzz took some ribbing by the officials just prior to tip off for the tardiness.
MU usually comes out of the locker room at the 2:30-3:00 minute mark, go through a routine that includes lay ups. They came out with less than 1:00 to go.
The dancing, though, has got to go. Really looked cocky in front of Vandy's bench.
If I were an opposing team, I would think MU looks arrogant and would want to b!tch slap them - just like Vandy did.
Quote from: MUMac on December 30, 2011, 07:51:22 AM
The dancing, though, has got to go. Really looked cocky in front of Vandy's bench.
If I were an opposing team, I would think MU looks arrogant and would want to b!tch slap them - just like Vandy did.
I think things went downhill when we started putting last names on the backs of jerseys. THERE'S NO "I" IN TEAM!!!
Quote from: MUMac on December 30, 2011, 07:51:22 AM
Nope. It was different and noticeable. Only Monarch was out when the officials came down the line to shake the coaches hands. Buzz took some ribbing by the officials just prior to tip off for the tardiness.
MU usually comes out of the locker room at the 2:30-3:00 minute mark, go through a routine that includes lay ups. They came out with less than 1:00 to go.
The dancing, though, has got to go. Really looked cocky in front of Vandy's bench.
If I were an opposing team, I would think MU looks arrogant and would want to b!tch slap them - just like Vandy did.
I was sitting just behind the Vandy bench and I can tell you no Vandy player or coach was watching the MU lineup introductions (dancing). They were huddled around Stallings and listening intently to whatever he was saying. They seemed very focused on their game plan. It was a big contrast to what MU was doing.
This thread is the winner for the grasping at straws contest.
Let's not confuse warm ups with shooting. MU needs to shoot better period. MU needs to shoot free throws better period. You cannot win basketball games if you don't shoot well. Our shooting was awful. If a team isn't a threat from the outside, teams will defends against layups. Count how many layups Vander and Co. missed at point blank range.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 30, 2011, 08:11:39 AM
I think things went downhill when we started putting last names on the backs of jerseys. THERE'S NO "I" IN TEAM!!!
But there is ME
While it is always interesting to hear the experts on this board talk about how they used to warm up for games, but I doubt that anything MU does 2-3 minutes prior to the game has anything to do with their performance. I am sure that most of you know that MU typically has a pretty significant workout/practice on game days. So, if you want to complain about pre-game activity affecting game performance, I wouldn['t focus on what takes place 2 minutes prior to tipoff.
Again, we are not talking about warm-ups, we're talking about shooting. MU needs to improve its shooting period. Games are won by the team that makes the most shots and free throws.
Quote from: strotty on December 30, 2011, 02:41:20 AM
I think if people want to complain (and I am CERTAINLY not one of them) about what Marquette does before games, it's not a lazy layup line minutes before the game starts. I will say that Buzz and the team go through a relatively rigorous shoot around, which Buzz refers to more as a practice, hours before the game.
As for the warming up, Marquette shoots around for a while about an hour before the game, comes out about 30 minutes and does the equivalent to layup lines to warm up. To think, even for a second, that Marquette not warming up minutes before the game has any correlation to the slow start is ridiculous, to put it nicely. Let's be real.
Jimmy Dykes even mentioned on Twitter how professional it was that DJO and Junior were out shooting an hour before tip off.