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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: denverMU on December 29, 2011, 08:52:01 PM

Title: Espn announcer?
Post by: denverMU on December 29, 2011, 08:52:01 PM
So who is the idiot who just new MU is not a top 15team?
Title: Re: Espn announcer?
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 29, 2011, 09:12:07 PM
Hah heard that.  I just hate that we're proving him right currently...
Title: Re: Espn announcer?
Post by: forgetful on December 29, 2011, 09:13:37 PM
You know if we get back into this game the same guy will be saying that's why they're a top 15 team.
Title: Re: Espn announcer?
Post by: Hards Alumni on December 29, 2011, 09:15:23 PM
Quote from: forgetful on December 29, 2011, 09:13:37 PM
You know if we get back into this game the same guy will be saying that's why they're a top 15 team.

This couldn't be any more accurate.
Title: Re: Espn announcer?
Post by: StillWarriors on December 29, 2011, 09:17:37 PM
Quote from: denverMU on December 29, 2011, 08:52:01 PM
So who is the idiot who just new MU is not a top 15team?

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We haven't looked like one in a while.
Title: Re: Espn announcer?
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 29, 2011, 09:19:06 PM
Oh yes...Jimmy Dykes
Title: Re: Espn announcer?
Post by: MattyWarrior on December 29, 2011, 09:59:34 PM
He called it over with seven minutes left. MU doesn't pass the eye test
Title: Re: Espn announcer?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 29, 2011, 10:10:53 PM
He called MU "second round talent with final four effort"

He said this was based on the video youtube clips he watched this year.
Title: Re: Espn announcer?
Post by: mugrack on December 29, 2011, 10:21:32 PM
He may be right
Title: Re: Espn announcer?
Post by: Hoopaloop on December 29, 2011, 10:22:50 PM
Quote from: denverMU on December 29, 2011, 08:52:01 PM
So who is the idiot who just new MU is not a top 15team?


1) Dykes is right.  He is one of the true experts out there, not like the pollsters.  We are not playing well right now.  We have one great win, got lucky to beat Norfolk State in the championship of a tournament.  If that shot isn't 1 inch too long at the end, all of this top 15 stuff would be gone a long time ago
2) When calling someone an idiot, would it not make sense to use proper English usage?  "Knew", not "new"
3) My belief was a top 3 Big East team, but from what I have seen the last couple of weeks including that Norfolk State game, I have sincere doubts

Title: Re: Espn announcer?
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on December 29, 2011, 10:31:18 PM
impossible for us to compete against superior height and wingspan. No passing or driving lanes tonight
Title: Re: Espn announcer?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 29, 2011, 10:42:43 PM
Quote from: elephantraker on December 29, 2011, 10:31:18 PM
impossible for us to compete against superior height and wingspan. No passing or driving lanes tonight

So this is why we shot 33% with most of the shots that did not fall being wide open looks.   So the secret to beating MU is a big guy standing in the lane 15 feet from an open shooter.  He uses his telepathy to get them to miss.

This is why I hate this board after a loss, all the tired and inaccurate cliche's are spouted by people that think they are offering wisdom.
Title: Re: Espn announcer?
Post by: Hoopaloop on December 29, 2011, 10:48:14 PM
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 29, 2011, 10:42:43 PM
So this is why we shot 33% with most of the shots that did not fall being wide open looks.   So the secret to beating MU is a big guy standing in the lane 15 feet from an open shooter.  He uses his telepathy to get them to miss.

This is why I hate this board after a loss, all the tired and inaccurate cliche's are spouted by people that think they are offering wisdom.

We didn't just lose because of our poor shooting, our defense all year has issues.  Someone will throw some stats up to try and say that isn't true, but using the eyeball test our defense gives up way too many easy shots and our extensions on their outside shooters opens up way too many lanes.  Our rotations on the weak side are so late.   We have some considerable items to clean up promptly.  Fortunately the Big East is weaker this year which allows us a little breathing room.
Title: Re: Espn announcer?
Post by: Bieberhole69 on December 29, 2011, 10:49:02 PM
Quote from: Hoopaloop on December 29, 2011, 10:22:50 PM
1) Dykes is right.  He is one of the true experts out there, not like the pollsters.  We are not playing well right now.  We have one great win, got lucky to beat Norfolk State in the championship of a tournament.  If that shot isn't 1 inch too long at the end, all of this top 15 stuff would be gone a long time ago
2) When calling someone an idiot, would it not make sense to use proper English usage?  "Knew", not "new"
3) My belief was a top 3 Big East team, but from what I have seen the last couple of weeks including that Norfolk State game, I have sincere doubts

When the hell did Jimmy Dykes become the end all of college basketball analysts?
Title: Re: Espn announcer?
Post by: CTWarrior on December 29, 2011, 10:52:20 PM
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 29, 2011, 10:42:43 PM
So this is why we shot 33% with most of the shots that did not fall being wide open looks.   So the secret to beating MU is a big guy standing in the lane 15 feet from an open shooter.  He uses his telepathy to get them to miss.

This is why I hate this board after a loss, all the tired and inaccurate cliche's are spouted by people that think they are offering wisdom.
It's OBVIOUS to me that size and agility give us loads of trouble on the offensive end.  Our primary offense is drive and dish for easy shots.  When that is cut off from us by big guys around the rim and we are forced to rely on jump shooting, we are in trouble because we are not a good jump shooting team.  Wide open jump shots are not good shots for us unless Crowder or DJO are taking them.

All of that being said, our real problem is our inability to guard a team with shooters and size and agility.  Without Otule, we do not have a player who can guard a good post man, and our constant overplaying leaves driving lanes and shooters wide open.
Title: Re: Espn announcer?
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on December 29, 2011, 10:56:23 PM
So this is why we shot 33% with most of the shots that did not fall being wide open looks.   So the secret to beating MU is a big guy standing in the lane 15 feet from an open shooter.  He uses his telepathy to get them to miss.

   Because we couldn't get in the lane and many passes were deflected we took open shots that missed. How many defensive rebounds did they get which closed us out on the offensive end?
I guess reality is a cliche to some
Title: Re: Espn announcer?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 29, 2011, 11:01:28 PM
Quote from: elephantraker on December 29, 2011, 10:56:23 PM
How many defensive rebounds did they get which closed us out on the offensive end?
I guess reality is a cliche to some

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=313630269

Vandy 38 rebounds  MU 32 rebounds

Oreb = Vandy 9, MU 14

Stats don't back you up. 

You decided were are too small and will use every loss to say that no matter the reason for actually losing.
Title: Re: Espn announcer?
Post by: Hoopaloop on December 29, 2011, 11:02:40 PM
Quote from: Bieberhole69 on December 29, 2011, 10:49:02 PM
When the hell did Jimmy Dykes become the end all of college basketball analysts?

Did anyone suggest he was?  He sure had our team nailed tonight, however.  The one thing I do like about him over a number of other analysts is that he not only coached in high major basketball, but he played in it as well.  A good number of the analysts played at small schools or some never at all.  Dykes is too pro-SEC for me, but a smart guy and solid announcer.  I'd take him over 70% of the ESPN announcers.
Title: Re: Espn announcer?
Post by: rocky_warrior on December 29, 2011, 11:10:39 PM
Quote from: Hoopaloop on December 29, 2011, 11:02:40 PM
Did anyone suggest he was?  He sure had our team nailed tonight, however.  The one thing I do like about him over a number of other analysts is that he not only coached in high major basketball, but he played in it as well.  A good number of the analysts played at small schools or some never at all.  Dykes is too pro-SEC for me, but a smart guy and solid announcer.  I'd take him over 70% of the ESPN announcers.  Is that he shares initials with my BFF chicos!

fixed
Title: Re: Espn announcer?
Post by: Bieberhole69 on December 29, 2011, 11:12:43 PM
Quote from: Hoopaloop on December 29, 2011, 11:02:40 PM
Did anyone suggest he was?  He sure had our team nailed tonight, however.  The one thing I do like about him over a number of other analysts is that he not only coached in high major basketball, but he played in it as well.  A good number of the analysts played at small schools or some never at all.  Dykes is too pro-SEC for me, but a smart guy and solid announcer.  I'd take him over 70% of the ESPN announcers.

I'm sorry I guess I used a bit of hypebole.  I think it's ridiculous to call him "one of the true experts". By almost any other measure MU was a top 15 team going into the game, but I guess the Dykes eye test is what is most important.  Oh and he's a crap announcer too.
Title: Re: Espn announcer?
Post by: MU B2002 on December 29, 2011, 11:33:02 PM
Quote from: Bieberhole69 on December 29, 2011, 11:12:43 PM
 Oh and he's a crap announcer too.

I liked that he picked DJO as a key player to watch, and then called him Todd Mayo on the steal and break away dunk layup.
Title: Re: Espn announcer?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 29, 2011, 11:35:25 PM
Quote from: MU B2002 on December 29, 2011, 11:33:02 PM
I liked that he picked DJO as a key player to watch, and then called him Todd Mayo on the steal and break away dunk layup.

Hey Chicos called him one of the best in the business.  Fact that he was down on MU from the beginning of the game in no way color Chicos opinion.
Title: Re: Espn announcer?
Post by: CTWarrior on December 29, 2011, 11:46:26 PM
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on December 29, 2011, 11:01:28 PM
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=313630269

Vandy 38 rebounds  MU 32 rebounds

Oreb = Vandy 9, MU 14

Stats don't back you up. 

You decided were are too small and will use every loss to say that no matter the reason for actually losing.

We missed 46 shots and got 14 O Rebs (25.9%)  They missed 32 shots and got 9 O rebs (28.1%), so they actually did a better job of offensive rebounding than we did.  Some of those misses were first of 2 FTs so those %'s aren't exact.  In your argument you somehow take it as a given that we are missing wide open shots.  I did not see the start of the game because of the Florida-Rutgers game, but in the game I did watch, the quality of the shots being taken by Vandy were significantly better than the quality of shots we were taking.  In fact I would say they missed more easy shots than we did from the time the game went national.

Title: Re: Espn announcer?
Post by: Tugg Speedman on December 30, 2011, 12:16:48 AM
Quote from: CTWarrior on December 29, 2011, 11:46:26 PM
We missed 46 shots and got 14 O Rebs (25.9%)  They missed 32 shots and got 9 O rebs (28.1%), so they actually did a better job of offensive rebounding than we did.  Some of those misses were first of 2 FTs so those %'s aren't exact.  In your argument you somehow take it as a given that we are missing wide open shots.  I did not see the start of the game because of the Florida-Rutgers game, but in the game I did watch, the quality of the shots being taken by Vandy were significantly better than the quality of shots we were taking.  In fact I would say they missed more easy shots than we did from the time the game went national.

As we noted in another thread, we outscored them once the game went national.
Title: Re: Espn announcer?
Post by: BCHoopster on December 30, 2011, 12:23:20 AM
Jimmy Dykes knows hoops.  I watched most of the Big East games this week and without a true center, I do not see us beating to many teams.  Gardner as you found out tonight was
not ready to play.  He is a good back-up right now, that is it.  Otule had 2 solid years of playing, gave MU a defensive presence, without him, Crowder can not do it all.  Secondly, DJO
does not give this team enough vocal leadership.  I hope this was just a bad game.
Title: Re: Espn announcer?
Post by: dgies9156 on December 30, 2011, 12:32:35 AM
Three things were apparent from this game:

1) They were on fire from 3-land. They just couldn't miss. Just give credit where credit is due. They blew us away early by hitting 3s and using the same inside-out game that we try to run.

2) I don't think they played that well either. At times they looked selfish and quite out of sync. Had we defended the 3-ball a bit better, we'd have been in this game to the end.

3) It's Christmas week and the team seemed to have their head somewhere else tonight. We really did not come out ready to play and focused on what Vanderbilt could do. Too bad because Vanderbilt was beatable.

Good news: at least it did not happen in conference play!
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