ACL injury for Otule
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/135267553.html
First with the info, despite not having twitter.
Wishing Chris a speedy recovery.
WOW!!! Great reporting here! ::)
No kidding it was an ACL Injury.
DAMN IT.
Quote from: JDuquaine on December 08, 2011, 02:20:05 PM
No kidding it was an ACL Injury.
Really? How did you know that?
He'll be back.
#goldeneagles C Chris Otule injures ACL bit.ly/vEq1Gz
I take this as a positive compared to what it could have been. I figure if it was torn, the treatment is pretty straight forward for that. I'm guessing he could opt for surgery or try to rehab it without surgery. It could be a Fulce issue where it depends on the amount of pain. Tough to get much from the report, and could still mean out for the season, but at least he isn't for sure done for the year. Glass half-full thinking.
Edit: Did anyone know if he slipped on one of those logos? I know there have been a ton of problems with those and many articles calling for them to be removed.
The $64,000 question remains unanswered at this time; severity and recovery time.
DAMN. Godspeed on the recovery Chris. Thoughts and prayers go out to Chris.
Hope he gets well soon, tough to deal with not only for such a good kid, but one who's already had to deal with injuries. I'm hoping he's back by mid-February.
They should have gone hockey style and said he has a lower body injury.
The question is whether it is torn or not. Could it just be over stretching of the ligament or a tear? I hope it is just a over stretched but I fear the tear which I hear is a long recovery time. I wish a speedy recovery for Chris. I hope this isn't the season for him.
Really? How did you know that?
Just a shot in the dark I guess chief. Here's an article for you to read.
This is usually a non-contact injury (70 percent of the time) and usually involves valgus, flexion, and external rotation. Often a "pop" is heard/felt, the patient is unable to continue to play, and has to be helped to the sideline. It is felt to be a serious injury with large effusion that worsens overnight. The patient walks for about a week with bent knee limp and feels relatively normal by three weeks. They may have additional "giving way" episodes before seeking help. This can also occur from contact injuries and is one of three common causes for acute knee effusion. Meniscal injuries also occur with ACL tears about 70 to 80 percent of the time (lateral is most common).
Wouldn't you think the same?
Quote from: JDuquaine on December 08, 2011, 02:32:19 PM
Really? How did you know that?
Just a shot in the dark I guess chief. Here's an article for you to read.
This is usually a non-contact injury (70 percent of the time) and usually involves valgus, flexion, and external rotation. Often a "pop" is heard/felt, the patient is unable to continue to play, and has to be helped to the sideline. It is felt to be a serious injury with large effusion that worsens overnight. The patient walks for about a week with bent knee limp and feels relatively normal by three weeks. They may have additional "giving way" episodes before seeking help. This can also occur from contact injuries and is one of three common causes for acute knee effusion. Meniscal injuries also occur with ACL tears about 70 to 80 percent of the time (lateral is most common).
Wouldn't you think the same?
I know what an ACL injury is. And this just confirms that you didn't *know* anything...just made an educated guess.
But the reporter actually reported a fact...now you actually *know* something.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 08, 2011, 02:31:00 PM
They should have gone hockey style and said he has a lower body injury.
Yep. That's about what they said.
In all seriousness, best wishes Chris. Things will work out.
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 08, 2011, 02:25:27 PM
Edit: Did anyone know if he slipped on one of those logos? I know there have been a ton of problems with those and many articles calling for them to be removed.
I thought his foot "stuck" as opposed to slipped. Maybe I am not remembering the play correctly.
I never understand why any coach gives out more information than necessary. It's a little bit of strategy.
Also, if it was serious enough to consider a redshirt, they would have deemed him done for the season to try and help with the NCAA decision.
we're a deep team. we got the players and the talent to step up while otule is out.
Quote from: marqptm on December 08, 2011, 02:40:53 PM
I never understand why any coach gives out more information than necessary. It's a little bit of strategy.
Also, if it was serious enough to consider a redshirt, they would have deemed him done for the season to try and help with the NCAA decision.
Hasn't he already used a medical redshirt? You can't be given too many of those can you?
But the reporter actually reported a fact...now you actually *know* something.
There are a lot of invariables I deal with everyday, putting what I've learned in conjunction with what is probable I have a feeling the majority of the people knew what type of injury we're dealing with.
My point is why bother posting on the "type" of injury with no timeframe and no other information? Does it get us any closer to the ultimate answer we're looking for?
I haven't seen it definitively yet but do we know if he has already gotten an MRI?
If he has gotten an MRI and they are saying ACL injury then I believe he could be back this year. If its a torn ACL you see that on the MRI, can't be missed.
If he hasn't gotten the MRI then that is likely because they are waiting for the swelling to go down to get a good picture. In that case, ACL injury statement is very bad because that implies they are expecting a tear.
Clearly not diagnosing, but I think those are the two possibilities at this point.
That is horrible news. I hope he has a good surgery, excellent rehabilitation, and comes back strong at some point for the begining of next season. For myself, I think the dead give away was that it didn't really involve contact and that he fell with both hands to the knee. I think ACL injury whenever a athlete falls in this manner and immediately brings both hands to the knee. Tough one.
Is it too late to have a medical redshirt year or to retrieve an additional year of eligibility?
Quote from: marqptm on December 08, 2011, 02:40:53 PM
I never understand why any coach gives out more information than necessary. It's a little bit of strategy.
Also, if it was serious enough to consider a redshirt, they would have deemed him done for the season to try and help with the NCAA decision.
I know Chris took a redshirt 2 years ago. Not recalling the number of games you can play, whether a second 'medical' is available, etc. We're way ahead of ourselves but reviewing the rules might be helpful.
Quote from: lohaus on December 08, 2011, 02:44:02 PM
That is horrible news. I hope he has a good surgery, excellent rehabilitation, and comes back strong at some point for the begining of next season. For myself, I think the dead give away was that it didn't really involve contact and that he fell with both hands to the knee. I think ACL injury whenever a athlete falls in this manner and immediately brings both hands to the knee. Tough one.
Is it too late to have a medical redshirt year or to retrieve an additional year of eligibility?
Who said anything about surgery?
Quote from: g0lden3agle on December 08, 2011, 02:42:16 PM
Hasn't he already used a medical redshirt? You can't be given too many of those can you?
There is precedent for the NCAA granting more than 5 years. As to the first question, I am not sure whether it was a true redshirt or medical waiver. Did he play at all that season? I thought the injury was preseason.
Quote from: MUMac on December 08, 2011, 02:47:44 PM
There is precedent for the NCAA granting more than 5 years. As to the first question, I am not sure whether it was a true redshirt or medical waiver. Did he play at all that season? I thought the injury was preseason.
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/chris_otule
His Freshman year he was out the first 10 games and then came back to play in a few.
His Sophomore year he played in a few early season games and set out the rest of the season. I think he took his redshirt this year, because I remember discussion about "how many games can you play and still be granted a medical RS?" I can't be sure though.
The NCAA can grant another medical hardship waiver, not the easiest to get though.
Quote from: JDuquaine on December 08, 2011, 02:43:28 PM
But the reporter actually reported a fact...now you actually *know* something.
There are a lot of invariables I deal with everyday, putting what I've learned in conjunction with what is probable I have a feeling the majority of the people knew what type of injury we're dealing with.
When Bears running back, Matt Forte, went down a couple of weeks ago, some speculated ACL, without knowing more. Turns out it was an MCL sprain, back in 2-6 weeks. So to say you "knew" CO's injury was an ACL, without either seeing an MRI or getting actual news, as Tom Enlund reported, is purely speculative sportsfans.
Must be nice to be in a line of work that allows you to deal with "invariables" everyday. You want a real challenge? Try working with "variables". Oh, and watch the run-on sentences.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on December 08, 2011, 02:53:41 PM
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/chris_otule
His Freshman year he was out the first 10 games and then came back to play in a few.
His Sophomore year he played in a few early season games and set out the rest of the season. I think he took his redshirt this year, because I remember discussion about "how many games can you play and still be granted a medical RS?" I can't be sure though.
Thanks. I was rally trying to recall the Sophomore year. It would have been the Sophomore year that he had the medical waiver.
I'm certainly not a doctor, but I've not heard of an "ACL" injury not mean season ending in the context of sports. Hope like hell I'm wrong.
If Otule is out for the season, (not saying he is just asking) are there any examples of players getting 2 medical redshirts?
Quote from: muzzwilliams on December 08, 2011, 02:41:46 PM
we're a deep team. we got the players and the talent to step up while otule is out.
Deep, yes. Regardless, his size is almost impossible to replace. The huskies killed us on the boards.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on December 08, 2011, 02:53:41 PM
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/chris_otule
His Freshman year he was out the first 10 games and then came back to play in a few.
His Sophomore year he played in a few early season games and set out the rest of the season. I think he took his redshirt this year, because I remember discussion about "how many games can you play and still be granted a medical RS?" I can't be sure though.
Quote from: JMcSteal on December 08, 2011, 03:04:00 PM
If Otule is out for the season, (not saying he is just asking) are there any examples of players getting 2 medical redshirts?
He can get another season of eligibility. If the NCAA grants such a waiver, Otule could get unlimited medical waivers. There have been a couple of occasions of a "sixth year," but I am not sure if we are talking about players who have been injured in games or simply practices.
He would be eligible given that he was hurt in the first half of the year, appeared in less than 30% of his teams games for the season, and suffered a season-ending injury. (Which may not be the case I know.)
There has been no talk (for instance) of Robbie Hummell getting a sixth year...but my understanding is that he cannot apply until his eligibility has been used up. Which kind of makes it difficult recruiting wise. So CO wouldn't even be able to apply until Spring 2013 if I understand the rule right.
Quote from: JMcSteal on December 08, 2011, 03:04:00 PM
If Otule is out for the season, (not saying he is just asking) are there any examples of players getting 2 medical redshirts?
I think the legendary Evan Eschmeyer got a couple at Northwestern
ACL "strains" are pretty much a myth. The vast majority of ACL injuries will not return to this level of play without reconstruction/rehabilitation. My bet is this year is shot. Good luck to the kid, he's worked his ass off.
Quote from: Bieberhole69 on December 08, 2011, 03:08:01 PM
I think the legendary Evan Eschmeyer got a couple at Northwestern
I think that was a little different because he was injured for his first two seasons and never made an appearance.
At least according to this article on Case Keenum, you can get 2 years of medical redshirts. do different rules apply to fb and bb?
"NCAA rules specify that to grant a sixth year, an athlete has to have lost two seasons for reasons out of the control of him/her.
http://www.chron.com/sports/college-football/article/UH-s-Case-Keenum-wins-NCAA-appeal-can-play-in-1684230.php
Must be nice to be in a line of work that allows you to deal with "invariables" everyday. You want a real challenge? Try working with "variables". Oh, and watch the run-on sentences.
Small medium and large doesn't necessarily mean you work with variables excuse my punctuation or lack of.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 08, 2011, 03:14:34 PM
I think that was a little different because he was injured for his first two seasons and never made an appearance.
Yeah i'm not sure what the extent of his injuries was, but if you are in fact correct your Eshmeyer knowledge is impressive
Given the doctors, trainers and therapists MU employs, and the success they've had getting players back on the court ahead of schedule (see DJ and Jr.), I'm hoping CO is back sooner rather than later. But without knowing more, it's impossible to guess if Chris can come back at all this year without jeopardizing next year.
All this is speculation, or nervous energy - probably both. Regardless, the kid is sadly out for goodness knows how long ... for the third time in his young career. We should respect all he has done in three years, and support him as he addresses this (yet to defined) injury.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the ever improving Coach Williams is going to have to make an early course correction. This writer has faith that CO will over-come whatever he has to over-come, that the Warrior team will draw even tighter in facing adversity, and that Mr. Williams will make smart adjustments going forward.
Quote from: JDuquaine on December 08, 2011, 03:17:03 PM
Must be nice to be in a line of work that allows you to deal with "invariables" everyday. You want a real challenge? Try working with "variables". Oh, and watch the run-on sentences.
Small medium and large doesn't necessarily mean you work with variables excuse my punctuation or lack of.
"I think everyone should go to college and get a degree and then spend six months as a bartender and six months as a cabdriver. Then they would really be educated."
So, are you currently on the 6 months as a bartender or the 6 months as a cabdriver?
Was pretty clear at the time it would be a ligament issue, whether ACL or MCL. This update just confirms it wasn't an awkward hyper-extension or the like.
All that matters is the timetable expected but looking into Otule's eyes on Tuesday night, it didn't look positive.
Quote from: foreverwarriors on December 08, 2011, 03:15:26 PM
At least according to this article on Case Keenum, you can get 2 years of medical redshirts. do different rules apply to fb and bb?
"NCAA rules specify that to grant a sixth year, an athlete has to have lost two seasons for reasons out of the control of him/her.
http://www.chron.com/sports/college-football/article/UH-s-Case-Keenum-wins-NCAA-appeal-can-play-in-1684230.php
No, that is the exact same situation. Notice the date of the article? January 14, 2011. After his eligibility had been used up.
So this would mean that CO wouldn't know if he gets another year until April 2013. Would Buzz keep a scholarship open for him? That means we actually have no more room for 2013-14.
Quote from: leever on December 08, 2011, 03:24:59 PM
"I think everyone should go to college and get a degree and then spend six months as a bartender and six months as a cabdriver. Then they would really be educated."
So, are you currently on the 6 months as a bartender or the 6 months as a cabdriver?
Actually, his signature is an Al McGuire quote. In this case though, I'm pretty sure JDuquaine is living the dream.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on December 08, 2011, 03:40:04 PM
Actually, his signature is an Al McGuire quote. In this case though, I'm pretty sure JDuquaine is living the dream.
JDuquaine is Steve "The Homer" True?
Quote from: APieperFan3 on December 08, 2011, 02:20:30 PM
DAMN IT.
No, this:
http://www.youtube.com/v/XhI0OVs_zj0&fs=1&source=uds
I didn't want to say anything in the 2 days since the game because I didn't want to speculate -- and I still don't want to speculate -- but I didn't really subscribe to the "no news is good news" thing.
In this Twatter age, I figured that if it really was nothing big, Chris himself would have quickly twatted as much. The longer we went without hearing anything, the more I figured it was more than a mild injury that would keep him out for only a game or three.
We still don't know how bad it is, but I'm not super positive that good news is right around the bend.
Hey, if it turns out to be less serious, I'll be pleasantly surprised!
If Otule is incapable of playing the remainder of the season, he could probably still have two years left to play.
A redshirt is when you don't play at all in a season - not a second.
Chris did get a hardship waiver. Now, the issue with be with respect to the Five-Year Rule. If he is unable to play the rest of this year and had 2 more years on his 5-year clock, no problem.. he'd be good on the hardship waiver requirements.
However, this is his fourth year on the clock, so the issue becomes the Five-Year Rule, which is different in many ways. However, based on his fact pattern, more likely than not he'd be granted an additional year, or sixth year, on his clock.. if requested of the NCAA Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement when the time is right.
(hardship waivers are generally administered by the conferences.. but, Chris' issue isn't going to be the hardship waiver requirements.. it's the Five-Year rule)
Quote from: mu03eng on December 08, 2011, 02:43:46 PM
If he has gotten an MRI and they are saying ACL injury then I believe he could be back this year. If its a torn ACL you see that on the MRI, can't be missed.
According to WebMD:
What is an anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) injury?
An anterior cruciate ligament, or ACL,
injury is a tear in one of the knee ligaments that joins the upper leg bone with the lower leg bone. The ACL keeps the knee stable.
http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/anterior-cruciate-ligament-acl-injuries-topic-overview
He will be back this year. Just like Mbakwe came back. No worries.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Yes, an ACL strain is a tear, much like pulling a muscle in your hamstring is usually a tear. But not all ACL injuries are alike.
My little brother strained his ACL and MCL playing college football this year. He missed one week, then was starting on the offensive line again the following Saturday.
I'm not saying CO will be back in 2 weeks, but let's not assume that he tore his ACL in half, will never play again, and his game is going to take a massive dip in quality. I understand that God invented the internet for blind speculation, but let's give this a few days. The fact that they didn't announce it's a complete tear and that he's scheduled surgery is very good news.
I understand that Otule had a medical hardship waiver during his true Soph season.
Should the worst case be realized, and he is lost for the season, what are the chances that Otule can receive a second medical hardship waver?? I ask only because he played in 8 games. I know there are rare cases of a player being in college for six yeas for this reason. (Isn't Robbie Hummel in his 6th year?)
Of course this all depends on Chris wanting to be in school for 6 years, and who can blame him if he doesn't want to be. I am just curious if anyone more knowledgeable on this topic can offer their 2 cents.
Hummell is in fifth year. I addressed this in the other thread. He may apply for a sixth year after his eligibility is complete because he meets the requirements. However it is unclear if he would get it. Also if he gets it we have no more scholies to give for 13-14 and burton would be our only freshman unless someone leaves.
Hate to say it but that schollie can be better used down the road. Really like Chris and feel badly for him but too much medical history to roll the dice on redshirt.
Quote from: Goose on December 08, 2011, 08:19:31 PM
Hate to say it but that schollie can be better used down the road. Really like Chris and feel badly for him but too much medical history to roll the dice on redshirt.
I didn't know we had a 4 or 5 star aircraft carrier waiting in the wings. How come nobody shared this info with me?
Just because you said 'I really like Chris' doesn't make up for the rest of your stupid post. Keep your insensitive comments to yourself!
I know there's multiple post, however I wanted everyone to know Chris himself said he wasn't sure of a timeframe yet on how long he'll be out. He said he'd keep me posted.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 08, 2011, 08:06:17 PM
Hummell is in fifth year. I addressed this in the other thread. He may apply for a sixth year after his eligibility is complete because he meets the requirements. However it is unclear if he would get it. Also if he gets it we have no more scholies to give for 13-14 and burton would be our only freshman unless someone leaves.
Hey Sultan
Just wanted to refer you to Jay Bee's post above, because he pretty much nailed the issue and the likely result.
The five-year clock extension requires two seasons where participation was denied by factors beyond the student-athlete's control. Medical Hardship is explicitly listed as exactly that type of circumstance. From where I sit, if CO does have to sit the rest of the year, this would be as close to certain as you can get when making this application.
But I really hope that this is all moot.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on December 08, 2011, 03:13:36 PM
ACL "strains" are pretty much a myth. The vast majority of ACL injuries will not return to this level of play without reconstruction/rehabilitation. My bet is this year is shot. Good luck to the kid, he's worked his ass off.
I'm no doctor, but I have torn my ACL a few times playing sports (most recently 4 years ago playing high school basketball). I don't think we'll see Otule again this season, and if we do I don't imagine him being very effective. I agree that ACL strains are a myth, especially when dealing with sports. From what I understand, and from what my doctor told me, an ACL strain is either a slight tear or a stretching of the ACL. Neither of these are any good. The first two times I hurt my knee my doctor described it as a strained ACL and put me in PT for 8 weeks. It strengthened the muscles around my knee, but it doesn't help the ACL at all. I completely tore the ACL within two weeks of going back to playing basketball both times. In fact, many doctors say its better to completely tear your ACL than to strain it. If you strain it or partially tear it, it puts more pressure on the other ligaments in the knee. When you completely tear it, they can replace it and start rehab right away. The moment I saw Otule go down I figured it was an ACL. Non contact injuries like that usually are. It doesn't help that he's 6'10. With all that weight on his knee, it's going to be tough for him to come back quickly. Again, I'm not a doctor and I could be wrong, but I don't see Otule giving the team meaningful minutes again this season.
Quote from: Goose on December 08, 2011, 08:19:31 PMHate to say it but that schollie can be better used down the road. Really like Chris and feel badly for him but too much medical history to roll the dice on redshirt.
Hmm...
Projected StartersC - Chris Otule (Sr)
PF - Jamil Wilson (Sr)
SF - Juan Anderson (Jr)
G - Vander Blue (Sr)
G - Todd Mayo (Jr)
Projected BenchC - Davante Gardner (Sr), Aaron Durley (So)
F - Jamail Jones (Sr), Steve Taylor (So), Jamal Ferguson (So), Deonte Burton (Fr)
G - Jake Thomas (Sr), Derrick Wilson (Jr), TJ Taylor (Jr)
For one year, I would love that kind of experience. A sixth-year center and fifth-year PF? Can you imagine that team on the defensive end? They would be terrifying. And only one freshman, so pretty much everyone would be on the same page and know the system well (especially since that freshman will be able to spend 2 years of spare time Hangin' at the Al).
Granted, I'd love to see a 5-star PG mixed in there, but in lieu of that, why wouldn't you want Chris back? It'd be for one year, and it's not like it'd kill you in 2014 either, when you'd still have a likely starting lineup with 3 seniors and 2 juniors again.
Now I'll be the first to admit I would rather have Otule back this year. I think this team has the chance to be really special and Chris is a massive part of that. But if he can't make it, I'd take a 6'11", 270 lb aircraft carrier that turned 24 mid-season and was a block machine over just about any freshman in the country, especially when we would have that scholarship open up in 2014 anyway.
A strain equals a tear, depends on how big the tear is.
My best guess, it's not a complete tear. They will decide in the next few weeks if he is able to play on an incomplete tear. They have to figure out if he is able to run, jump, cut on a partial ACL tear with a probable brace. This probably won't happen at the earliest in 2 weeks, as you have to let the possible pain and swelling go down. I'm an eternal optimist. If there is one person that could play D1 basketball on a torn ACL, it's D1 basketball player. There muscle strength (obviously) is much better than some random guy off the street. They are able to stabilize an unstable knee.
Quote from: MisterDMU on December 08, 2011, 06:37:05 PM
I understand that God invented the internet for blind speculation,
I love that quote! But unfortunately you are wrong, Al Gore invented the internet!
Quote from: downtown85 on December 09, 2011, 07:00:16 AM
I love that quote! But unfortunately you are wrong, Al Gore invented the internet!
But God invented Al Gore, ergo ... :)
Quote from: NCAARules on December 08, 2011, 09:48:17 PM
Hey Sultan
Just wanted to refer you to Jay Bee's post above, because he pretty much nailed the issue and the likely result.
The five-year clock extension requires two seasons where participation was denied by factors beyond the student-athlete's control. Medical Hardship is explicitly listed as exactly that type of circumstance. From where I sit, if CO does have to sit the rest of the year, this would be as close to certain as you can get when making this application.
But I really hope that this is all moot.
JayBee and I essentially said the same thing. I said "it was unclear"...he said "he could probably still have two years left to play." We can't say definitively that he would get the sixth year.
The point is that he would have to apply and the NCAA has accepted and denied such applications in the past. I am not sure on what grounds they justified those decisions.
I think the only reason Otule stands a chance, is because his freshmen season was basically lost to his first broken foot. 4 seasons results broken foot, other broken foot, no injury, knee injury. You also have to wonder if having only one eye would give him some extra consideration. Why not give a benefit to a guy who has had a lot to overcome from day one. I certainly would include this in appeal for a sixth year.
Quote from: MUDPT on December 09, 2011, 06:30:17 AM
A strain equals a tear, depends on how big the tear is.
My best guess, it's not a complete tear. They will decide in the next few weeks if he is able to play on an incomplete tear. They have to figure out if he is able to run, jump, cut on a partial ACL tear with a probable brace. This probably won't happen at the earliest in 2 weeks, as you have to let the possible pain and swelling go down. I'm an eternal optimist. If there is one person that could play D1 basketball on a torn ACL, it's D1 basketball player. There muscle strength (obviously) is much better than some random guy off the street. They are able to stabilize an unstable knee.
Todd Smith better start working the bejesus out of that quad if its only a partial tear.
But this brings up another point....even if it is a partial tear, he will have to have surgery at some point. Do you take him this year season with the risk of a complete tear at some point and impact next year? Worst case scenario he plays until February or early March and then completely tears it, has surgery and isn't ready to play until at least January of 2014.
Even if he makes it all the way through this season he will be doing so by exchanging that for some of next season as he recovers from the surgery
Nevermind
Scout board is saying that he is out for the year.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 09, 2011, 01:48:38 PM
Scout board is saying that he is out for the year.
Scout board is basing it off a facebook post for what it's worth.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 09, 2011, 01:48:38 PM
Scout board is saying that he is out for the year.
Unless something has changed very quickly over the past few hours, I don't find that to be accurate.
I want you to be right, but give a reason. I recognize that the scout board thread is based off of a third party facebook post, but give us a reason it is wrong.
Quote from: MUStudent on December 09, 2011, 02:06:47 PM
Unless something has changed very quickly over the past few hours, I don't find that to be accurate.
I really, really hate to say it, but deep down, we all know it was a tear. We saw the injury. I'd be shocked--in a very good way--if he plays again this year.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 09, 2011, 01:48:38 PM
Scout board is saying that he is out for the year.
Ya have to take that with a grain of salt. They have a habit of flying off at the handle.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 09, 2011, 02:06:41 PMScout board is basing it off a facebook post for what it's worth.
And a FB post that isn't linked to Chris' wall.
It's just one poster. No one really knows.
Treatment for ACL injuries are either surgery or rehab. The ACL's function is to stabilize the knee Some will argue that rehab provides just as good of a result as surgery. That may be true for the general population and maybe it isn't. I don't know. But, for an athlete, surgery is the only reasonable hope of resuming one's career. Which begs the question whether Otule wants to be 24 years old and still playing college basketball, or whether he desires to just move on.
As someone who is fairly experienced with ACL injuries, I think I can say that whether or not it is a complete tear does not necessarily make a difference if he wants to come back and play this year. It seems like what the decision is coming down to, as many have stated, is whether he wants to play here for an additional year.
With some strength conditioning and rehab, he likely would be able to contribute, how much is up for debate as he will likely have to nurse that knee. I'm sure most of you remember Dejuan Blair does not have ACLs in either knee, and he has a pretty big body that he can move fairly easily. However, I don't think he ever has had ACLs, so maybe he has freakishly strong knees or other ligaments. It doesn't seem to happen very often with Blair, but with stretched or strained ACLs, the knee can continuously buckle, bend, or give out in the wrong direction, which can put more strain on other ligaments and cartilage.
I guess my point is, no matter the extent of the strain/tear, with therapy and strengthening muscles around the knee, he likely can forego surgery for a couple of months in order to contribute this year and complete his college career next year. Of course, this comes with the risk of injuring other ligaments/cartilage in the knee. I think the staff knows the extent of the injury, they are just trying to figure out the best course of action for CO's college/professional career, both academically and athletically.
Either way, good luck to Chris
It is interesting that with the release of the Anderson injury they mentioned that he had a MRI performed, but there is no mention of an MRI for Otule. As others have guessed, they might be waiting for swelling in the knee to subside before getting a clear result from a MRI.
You think because he grabbed his knee with both hands, rather than just one, that he injured the ACL versus some other tissue? You are an idiot!
Quote from: jdbied on December 09, 2011, 03:52:01 PM
You think because he grabbed his knee with both hands, rather than just one, that he injured the ACL versus some other tissue? You are an idiot!
Aggressive first post.
Good observation, tommyc6.
No need to wait for an MRI, swelling won't cloud the issue.
This kid is made of glass. His new nickname should be "Bob Sanders"... but he's not nearly as good as Bob comparatively
Quote from: tower912 on December 09, 2011, 02:12:30 PM
I want you to be right, but give a reason. I recognize that the scout board thread is based off of a third party facebook post, but give us a reason it is wrong.
I have pretty good knowledge of the situation, and the details that have been given are essentially all that's known. NOTHING is for sure.
Quote from: jdbied on December 09, 2011, 03:52:01 PM
You think because he grabbed his knee with both hands, rather than just one, that he injured the ACL versus some other tissue? You are an idiot!
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/marquettes-otule-looking-to-the-future-48429bs-138690789.html
Still an idiot? Check out Travis Beckum blowing out his knee today.
I LOVE this!!!
lohaus, with his five posts, biding his time...waiting...waiting...waiting...and FINALLY!!! Some other athlete with an ACL injury grabs his knee and he has his AHA!!!!! moment and gets back at jdbied.
Although that was jdbied's one and only post.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 05, 2012, 07:22:01 PM
I LOVE this!!!
lohaus, with his five posts, biding his time...waiting...waiting...waiting...and FINALLY!!! Some other athlete with an ACL injury grabs his knee and he has his AHA!!!!! moment and gets back at jdbied.
Although that was jdbied's one and only post.
lohaus=chicos. :D
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on February 05, 2012, 07:22:01 PM
I LOVE this!!!
lohaus, with his five posts, biding his time...waiting...waiting...waiting...and FINALLY!!! Some other athlete with an ACL injury grabs his knee and he has his AHA!!!!! moment and gets back at jdbied.
Although that was jdbied's one and only post.
Hey, I was impressed he tracked the thread for two months, so he could dig it out when the occasion presented itself.
Forget about his thin resume'. That's some stealth stalking our most prolific posters could be proud of.
Problem is that it was the last time the poor guy posted. Jdbied--come on back and see the light. Don't let those with internet muscles bully you off this space just 'cuz they can.
Blog bullying along the lines of calling someone an idiot for a simple post should be moderated. Like from birth.
Quote from: MUrugger on February 05, 2012, 11:14:28 PM
Problem is that it was the last time the poor guy posted. Jdbied--come on back and see the light. Don't let those with internet muscles bully you off this space just 'cuz they can.
Blog bullying along the lines of calling someone an idiot for a simple post should be moderated. Like from birth.
Idiot.