Not ours, Washington's. Right after a TO, they put the ball in play and take a shot with 15 or so to go on the clock. I admit, that really confused me. It was a contested shot as well and did not look like players were crashing the boards.
Washington's D was alright, but not great. To rely on the D at that point really was a questionable decision. If MU had done that, this board would be ripping Buzz a new one right now. Just happy as can be that Romar chose that strategy. It worked ... for MU!!
Agreed, I was SHOCKED that they left us 15 seconds to try to win it.
But pleased as well :)
and then on top of that they didn't call a time out and launched a horrible shot at the end
44 and 30 were WIDE open in the lane, no defenders in sight. I am glad Gaddy didn't see that when he was playing 1 on 5.
Washington's last play was a three where we fouled the crap out of the guy and didn't get called.
I'm really happy to walk away with a win.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on December 06, 2011, 11:34:35 PM
Washington's last play was a three where we fouled the crap out of the guy and didn't get called.
I'm really happy to walk away with a win.
Meh, he was trying to barrel through 2 defenders who had their arms up, you don't call that to end the game.
Quote from: JWags85 on December 06, 2011, 11:44:46 PM
Meh, he was trying to barrel through 2 defenders who had their arms up, you don't call that to end the game.
That's how I remember it (whether it happened that way or not) ;D
Looked similar to DJO getting knocked over against Vandy? last year. That one wasn't called either.
On the other hand, I think Buzz made a really good call on our last play. He continued to show trust in the guys to play with their instincts against an unset D. Had he called a TO, the defense would get set and MU would have had a hard time getting a better shot than what Jae had.
Quote from: MUMac on December 06, 2011, 11:18:06 PM
Not ours, Washington's. Right after a TO, they put the ball in play and take a shot with 15 or so to go on the clock. I admit, that really confused me. It was a contested shot as well and did not look like players were crashing the boards.
Washington's D was alright, but not great. To rely on the D at that point really was a questionable decision. If MU had done that, this board would be ripping Buzz a new one right now. Just happy as can be that Romar chose that strategy. It worked ... for MU!!
I thought it was proper strategy by Washington.
They were only down one point. By taking a pretty quick shot, if they miss it, that allows them enough time to foul and get a quality shot off regardless if MU made only one or both free throws after the foul.
If instead they waited until a few seconds left to take a shot, it missed, and Marquette got the rebound, the game would basically be over.
Quote from: JWags85 on December 06, 2011, 11:44:46 PM
Meh, he was trying to barrel through 2 defenders who had their arms up, you don't call that to end the game.
I agree that there was no foul by MU in that sequence. Mayo and Wilson were both just standing there with their arms straight up in the air.
I wonder if Buzz called more than 3 plays in this one. ;)
Quote from: El Duderino on December 06, 2011, 11:54:41 PM
I thought it was proper strategy by Washington.
They were only down one point. By taking a pretty quick shot, if they miss it, that allows them enough time to foul and get a quality shot off regardless if MU made only one or both free throws after the foul.
If instead they waited until a few seconds left to take a shot, it missed, and Marquette got the rebound, the game would basically be over.
They owned the boards all night. Take the shot with 5 on the clock and if you miss, go for the put back. Typically, the underdog goes for the win. That is, to take the last shot and not allow the favorite the opportunity to respond.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on December 06, 2011, 11:34:35 PM
Washington's last play was a three ...
As I posted, I knew some anal poster would make that comment. I meant to include in the text that typically the team goes for the last shot and in this case with a below average D, Washington did not.
As for:
Quote from: Skatastrophy on December 06, 2011, 11:34:35 PM
where we fouled the crap out of the guy and didn't get called.
The player created the contact in hopes of getting a call. No way was that a foul that didn't get called.
Quote from: MUMac on December 07, 2011, 06:23:37 AM
As I posted, I knew some anal poster would make that comment. I meant to include in the text that typically the team goes for the last shot and in this case with a below average D, Washington did not.
As for:
The player created the contact in hopes of getting a call. No way was that a foul that didn't get called.
I respectfully disagree. I am pretty sure we got away with one there.
That being said, I though UW was getting away with a lot of them during the game.
Quote from: MUMac on December 07, 2011, 06:19:56 AM
They owned the boards all night. Take the shot with 5 on the clock and if you miss, go for the put back. Typically, the underdog goes for the win. That is, to take the last shot and not allow the favorite the opportunity to respond.
Oh no...not when you are down one. You take the first decent shot you can. The worst that can happen is a miss...a foul...and you still have the opportunity to tie.
If you are tied, you bleed the clock. Not when you are losing.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 07, 2011, 08:07:31 AM
Oh no...not when you are down one. You take the first decent shot you can. The worst that can happen is a miss...a foul...and you still have the opportunity to tie.
If you are tied, you bleed the clock. Not when you are losing.
Many coaches disagree with you. Obviously, Romar agrees - he lost. First, when you are the underdog, you go for the win. Taking the first shot too early, like they did yesterday, can lead to MU scoring. You want to shoot and have the chance for the rebound if you miss. You are not playing for the foul on the other end. Secondly, Washington's defense was not it's strong suit. Leaving 15 seconds is an eternity.
The shot, though, that Washington took was contested. It was close range, but not an open look, not a bunny. In addition, their players did not appear to be getting into rebound position. The green light decision to make the entry pass may have been given to the players. I thought, though, that Romar would want it taken at about the 6-8 second mark.
I thought MU's shot came at about the time Washington's should have been. Many coaches do not even take a TO until 12 seconds are left, to set up the shot - that is winning or losing. You are wrong on the last paragraph. Washington shot it at about 17. You think that's right. I suspect you would be in a very small minority of coaches to have that perspective.
Romar left himself open to questions on his strategy by shooting too early. The converse could be true if they don't get a good look late. I suspect, though, they have a play that will provide someone an open look.
I personally would have waited for 5-7 seconds left on the clock unless I had a guaranteed layup. But one must remember that Washington plays very fast and so to ask their guys to 'dry their sweat' might not be the best strategy for them.
Oh, and there's no way they're getting a foul called with one second left as the Wash player initiated all attempts at contact.
Quote from: El Duderino on December 06, 2011, 11:54:41 PM
I thought it was proper strategy by Washington.
They were only down one point. By taking a pretty quick shot, if they miss it, that allows them enough time to foul and get a quality shot off regardless if MU made only one or both free throws after the foul.
If instead they waited until a few seconds left to take a shot, it missed, and Marquette got the rebound, the game would basically be over.
+1
Quote from: El Duderino on December 06, 2011, 11:54:41 PM
I thought it was proper strategy by Washington.
They were only down one point. By taking a pretty quick shot, if they miss it, that allows them enough time to foul and get a quality shot off regardless if MU made only one or both free throws after the foul.
If instead they waited until a few seconds left to take a shot, it missed, and Marquette got the rebound, the game would basically be over.
A couple of thoughts on your comments.
1. Washington had 18 offensive boards on 35 missed shots. I would suspect they had confidence in getting the rebound on a miss, regardless of the amount of time remaining. If you are playing the percentages, those are the ones in your favor. Why play for the potential of a defensive rebound and foul, or leaving too much time on the clock to get a good open look to win?
2. Washington shot the ball extremely well (48.5%). Again, more percentages toward their favor.
I understand that it is not an absolute, but I think the best opportunity Washington had to win was to play for a shot with little to no chance to lose.