Hard to believe the Badgers could shoot that poorly and still only lose by 3 to NC. A couple thoughts for our game.
First we CAN NOT try to extend pressure way out on the floor and risk giving up open threes. Its obvious that the Badgers number one priority is shooting 3s. For that reason I'd play everyone straight up, stay with your man and just let them play slow ball for 25 seconds. Hope their 3s don't drop (like what happened at NC) and seal off your guy from getting the rebound.
On offense we've got to have drive in the hope we can get to the hoop or force them to foul. NC won this game at the free throw line.
For us to win we have to take care of the ball (less than 10 TOs). Have a big advantage in free throws (and make them). Force them into contested 3s and hope they shoot like they did tonight.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on November 30, 2011, 10:48:23 PM
hope they shoot like they did tonight.
At the KOHL center? Nearly impossible.
UNC gave us the the perfect recipe to beat WI. 1) Play tough man-to-man defense. 2) Control the defensive boards. 3) Push the ball and drive to the basket to draw fouls. 4) Make your foul shots. 5) Keep turnovers to a minimum.
I know the KOHL center is an edge for them, but with a hand in your face it doesn't matter what building your in. We can win this game with defense and defense alone. It will be a low scoring game...DJO will have to do what Barnes did tonight and take over, and Vander will have to do what Strickland did on Taylor and shut him down. I like the way we match up...I think we will see a bigger rotation than we expect, and that players like Todd will be huge for us. This is a great challenge and our first real game. It's time to see what this team actually has, I refuse to see our first set of games as a barometer of anything. We need to play like Warriors. In my three years at Marquette I have never been so excited for a game.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on November 30, 2011, 10:52:54 PM
At the KOHL center? Nearly impossible.
And that basketball... Impossible.
As I believe has been mentioned before, I think the hard parts defensively are: 1) playing ball screens so as to not leave guys wide open for 3's; 2) not giving up offensive rebounds. I would add, even before tonight, guarding Berggrenn and, especially in Jae's case, not committing stupid fouls. At the KC, I may even add Kamensky to Berggrenn because its someone like him who could have a ridiculously good game. The inversion of the bigs is where they can cause mismatch problems, and I can't say how Otule and Gardner will handle it. I think Otule could do well. It would be fun to watch.
On offense, I agree that MU just has to stay aggressive and we can get to the line a lot. I thought they could have called even more fouls on Whisky than they called. And UNC did not appear to be as aggressive as I believe MU can be.
Finally, the mental aspect is probably most key. MU will be most likely be uncomfortable with the style of play, calls and score at certain points of the game. They have to stick to the plan and trust they will prevail. I thought UW had UNC on the edge of breaking tonight, probably toward the 12 minute mark, when Brust took a couple bad quick shots and that helped UNC take control of the game. If MU plays their game and plays it the whole way, they should be more than fine.
Jaes foul situation will be crucial. Not gonna lie, kinda scared he's gonna pick up some silly ones quick. Hope I'm wrong.
I am not so worried about Jae picking up quick fouls as I am about Vander...Vander will be extremely intense about this game. First time playing at Madison in the Marquette uniform. It means more to him than anyone. He will want to dominate out there, I hope he doesn't try to hard.
Quote from: buzzchiapet on November 30, 2011, 11:32:42 PM
Jaes foul situation will be crucial. Not gonna lie, kinda scared he's gonna pick up some silly ones quick. Hope I'm wrong.
+1
Shades of Wade's quick 3 fouls in '02. Picked up his third midway through the first half on a completely TERRIBLE, AWFUL offensive foul call. A complete joke.
Was it just me or was everyone on the floor last night like 6'11"? It never really seemed like it, but last night it did look like Wisconsin was a forest of red.
With that said, hopefully we do do well on the boards.
we are doomed
I hope Vander just plays hard like he has been. If hes all pumped up he won't play well. We have the talent all the way around
to hurt the badgers if we just play smart and hold on to the ball. We have to box out. Last year we tried to run with UNC and
saw the result. I think its a close game.
Quote from: Henry Sugar on December 01, 2011, 07:47:51 AMwe are doomed
On the plus side, it's only one game. I still like our odds against Washington and Vandy, and that gives us three potential quality wins (along with Ole Miss). I don't see us getting blown out. I don't expect a win, but I think we keep it within single digits.
Let's just remember that while this is a rivalry game, and a big one at that, Buzz is preparing this team for March. Regardless of what happens Saturday, we can still contend in the Big East and there's absolutely no reason not to keep hoping to be in the top three seed lines on Selection Sunday.
I don't see how we can draw fouls there. No one else ever has.
Quote from: lab_warrior on December 01, 2011, 07:23:01 AM
+1
Shades of Wade's quick 3 fouls in '02. Picked up his third midway through the first half on a completely TERRIBLE, AWFUL offensive foul call. A complete joke.
Except it is DJO I am worried about getting in foul trouble. Watch out for the offensive fouls.
They need Blue face guarding Taylor like Strickland was in the 2nd half
Quote from: denverMU on November 30, 2011, 11:00:20 PM
UNC gave us the the perfect recipe to beat WI. 1) Play tough man-to-man defense. 2) Control the defensive boards. 3) Push the ball and drive to the basket to draw fouls. 4) Make your foul shots. 5) Keep turnovers to a minimum.
That sounds like a winning recipe no matter who the opponent.
UNC at times played in a very sloppy manner. Lazy passes. Forces passes. Half-hearted drives that resulted in timid shots. They turned it on a bit in the first part of the game. Got lazy. Then turned it on again when they needed to. Also made some very dumb mistakes -- like the pass inside at the end when up 8 instead of pulling it back out.
MU will match up with Bucky just fine. However, they cannot slack off or lose focus for a significant part of the game like UNC did. Taylor needs to be hounded the entire game by a single player -- no double teams. He will get his, but the key is to make him earn it and not let him make others better -- no passes to wide-open chuckers. If Bucky beats MU by making every 30-foot three with a hand in their face, then so be it.
Quote from: Henry Sugar on December 01, 2011, 07:47:51 AM
we are doomed
This makes me smile. We'll make you in to a Dementor yet.
Not going to lie, I didn't find either team impressive...but more so Wisconsin. A few desperation threes in the last minute made it a lot closer than it was. If Wisco shoots anything close to that on Saturday, I think we win easily.
Quote from: Abode4life on December 01, 2011, 09:41:20 AM
That sounds like a winning recipe no matter who the opponent.
Seriously, his recipe for success is "
1) Play tough man-to-man defense. 2) Control the defensive boards. 3) Push the ball and drive to the basket to draw fouls. 4) Make your foul shots. 5) Keep turnovers to a minimum."
I'm going to give denverMU the benefit of the doubt and assume that his/her post was a scientific experiment to determine whether it's possible to make a statement on this board that is so non-controversial that not a single person will disagree.
That's me, Mr. Noncontroversial, just ask 4ever.
I think the key to this game will be how well we perform in our half court offense, particularly against the zone.
I know that offense has never been a problem under Buzz, but it seems like the majority of our offense under Buzz has been generated by our quick transition game. We always seem to struggle against a team that takes care of the ball well and forces us to run a structured offense.
I'm a bit more optimistic this season than the past, as it seems like we're moving the ball fairly well and actually looking to get the ball in the post. In fact this is the first year in a long while where it looks like we will have a post presence.
I think we match up fine with UW except for the 5 position. In the past we forced UW to go small against us with Butler/Hayward. This year, our bigs cannot/have not had to guard out to the 3 line in space. Against UW, our 5 has to guard a big who can shoot it from 3. Not sure we have the foot speed at the 5 to do this, and could get burned a lot on 3's from UW's 5s or with a UW big cutting off a pick and roll if we try to guard the 5 outside.
How do we handle this problem? That is a key. I don't know, but maybe we end up playing without Otule and Gardner a lot and go small. In which case JWilson becomes a key player for us inside (along with Jae, of course, and maybe Jones playing some 4). Or, some sort of zone that allows a big to stay home in the lane and guard shooters outside in man?
How do we deal with UW's 5s who can shoot it from 3, unless we play smaller?
I don't think the UNC/UW game told us anything we don't already know. UW shot poorly and we're routed on the boards and at the free throw line - yet came within 3 on the road to the consensus preseason #1 team in the country. How? They controlled tempo and won the turnover battle handily (14-4). They'll be awfully hard to beat in Madison on Saturday.
Quote from: chris006 on December 01, 2011, 10:24:33 AM
I think the key to this game will be how well we perform in our half court offense, particularly against the zone.
I know that offense has never been a problem under Buzz, but it seems like the majority of our offense under Buzz has been generated by our quick transition game. We always seem to struggle against a team that takes care of the ball well and forces us to run a structured offense.
I'm a bit more optimistic this season than the past, as it seems like we're moving the ball fairly well and actually looking to get the ball in the post. In fact this is the first year in a long while where it looks like we will have a post presence.
UW won't play a zone. I'd bank on it. They will play their normal D: try not to let you drive past them, try to stay in front even if they have to play off you a couple of feet, and most importantly, make you shoot over them. No easy layups and force shots over a defender. That is their D. If we can get hot from 3 and force them to play tight, we can then drive past a defender who is forced to play tight. But UW will probably not play real tight D on the outside. Instead, they will just stay in front and force a longer shot over a defender.
Quote from: GOO on December 01, 2011, 10:29:48 AM
UW won't play a zone. I'd bank on it. They will play their normal D: try not to let you drive past them, try to stay in front even if they have to play off you a couple of feet, and most importantly, make you shoot over them. No easy layups and force shots over a defender. That is their D. If we can get hot from 3 and force them to play tight, we can then drive past a defender who is forced to play tight. But UW will probably not play real tight D on the outside. Instead, they will just stay in front and force a longer shot over a defender.
I swear I saw UW come out in a matchup 2-3 zone for at least one possession. Evans was in the middle.
Anyone else catch that? Can't remember what half it was.
Quote from: Henry Sugar on December 01, 2011, 07:47:51 AM
we are doomed
Aw, come on 17% is actually about 10 or 12 percentage points better than doom.
Quote from: Abode4life on December 01, 2011, 09:41:20 AM
That sounds like a winning recipe no matter who the opponent.
That same thing thought was the first thing to hit me too.
Quote from: LittleMurs on December 01, 2011, 10:44:57 AM
That same thing thought was the first thing to hit me too.
Well then, let's tell Buzz that we found the perfect winning recipe. This could be the big philosophical beak that Buzz has been looking for ::)
I could see us going small with Jamil at the 5 a lot. It allows him to chase Berggren around the perimeter, and also causes a match-up problem for UW. Berggren can't guard Jamil on the wing, he'll blow right past him.
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on December 01, 2011, 10:40:42 AM
I swear I saw UW come out in a matchup 2-3 zone for at least one possession. Evans was in the middle.
Anyone else catch that? Can't remember what half it was.
If it is the same play as I recall, it was in the 2nd half, and it was not a matchup zone. At first I thought the same. It was a sagging, help defense. UNC's spacing, which they did not move much on that play, created that appearance.
I expect UW to play a similar style on Saturday. They have done it against us in the past. Sag to the middle to prevent penetration until we start consistently hitting the outside shot. Our midrange game will be important to beat that defense.
Quote from: GOO on December 01, 2011, 11:01:15 AM
Well then, let's tell Buzz that we found the perfect winning recipe. This could be the big philosophical beak that Buzz has been looking for ::)
You may be onto something. Instead of playing a "winning" style, Buzz could focus on playing tough man-to-man defense; controlling the defensive boards; pushing the ball and driving to the basket to draw fouls; making foul shots; and keeping turnovers to a minimum. It's just crazy enough to work. But maybe the mods should delete this thread so that nobody else figures it out. It was nice of UNC to reveal this strategy, but there's really no need to have it "out there" for others to copy.
Quote from: MUMac on December 01, 2011, 11:03:56 AM
If it is the same play as I recall, it was in the 2nd half, and it was not a matchup zone. At first I thought the same. It was a sagging, help defense. UNC's spacing, which they did not move much on that play, created that appearance.
I expect UW to play a similar style on Saturday. They have done it against us in the past. Sag to the middle to prevent penetration until we start consistently hitting the outside shot. Our midrange game will be important to beat that defense.
Gotcha. Thanks.
i hope buzz reads all of these. then he can just throw out all his video, save some time for the family by reading all the "hot tips" right here on beating the badgers. what a resource. if we just minimize our mistakes, don't turn the ball over, play smart basketball, take good shots, don't fall into their game tempo ;D, don't let the crowd get to us...it's a no brainer-da warriors by 15...right?
Quote from: MUMac on December 01, 2011, 11:03:56 AM
If it is the same play as I recall, it was in the 2nd half, and it was not a matchup zone. At first I thought the same. It was a sagging, help defense. UNC's spacing, which they did not move much on that play, created that appearance.
I expect UW to play a similar style on Saturday. They have done it against us in the past. Sag to the middle to prevent penetration until we start consistently hitting the outside shot. Our midrange game will be important to beat that defense.
The bolded part! I hope we don't get sucked into shooting threes over their sagging man-to-man. Would be nice to see the Cadougans, Blues, and DJO's of the world hit a few 15 footers to make their man-to-man more tight.
Quote from: Litehouse on December 01, 2011, 11:03:50 AM
I could see us going small with Jamil at the 5 a lot. It allows him to chase Berggren around the perimeter, and also causes a match-up problem for UW. Berggren can't guard Jamil on the wing, he'll blow right past him.
Bingo - Think this is very astute analysis. I was impressed with Berggren last night. Otule could probably defend him ably - yet I think Jamil could be a very nice wildcard player for Buzz...on Berggren.
I'd also like to see a lineup of Derrick Wilson, Todd Mayo, DJO, Jae, and Jamil/Otule get minutes. I believe D Wilson would be our best defender on Taylor..Mayo can D Gasser, DJO Brust....I just like the Offense/floor stretching ability Mayo gives. Bo will have his guys sag way off Vander...and make our offense more challenging in the half court. Can't do that with Mayo.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on December 01, 2011, 11:53:04 AM
The bolded part! I hope we don't get sucked into shooting threes over their sagging man-to-man. Would be nice to see the Cadougans, Blues, and DJO's of the world hit a few 15 footers to make their man-to-man more tight.
That is the only are where MU has an advantage over UNC. Marshall was atrocious with his shooting last night from beyond the arc and never even attempted any jumpers inside the 3 point line. When he drove all the way to the hole UW did a good job of not only collapsing to prevent kick outs but of contesting shots without fouling.
Cadougan has shown signs of consistency with his mid range jumper, which could be a boon for Marquette and something completely absent (outside of Barnes) in last night's game.
This game was in a tough slot for UNC. They play Kentucky at Rupp on Saturday and have been targeting that game since they lost to them in the Elite 8. They appeared to lack focus and intensity much of the game. When Barnes turned it on in the second half and Strickland neutralized Taylor they began to show glimpses of what most expected of them coming into the year but they never seemed to maintain the focus and intensity. The pace clearly frustrated them and it was quite obvious that Roy was unhappy about the way they allowed UW to set the pace.
UW is nowhere near as athletic top to bottom as either UNC or MU but they are extraordinarily disciplined and don't beat themselves. Bo's offense and pacing is a big contributor to their lack of TOs. Vander needs to play Taylor like Strickland did and we need to really defend the three...before last night 47% of their average total game shots were from the three.
Just like dook has shown , you can both live and die by the three. We need to make sure that they die from the three.
Officiating will be critical...if the refs are calling every hand check and being nit picky we could be in trouble. If they let both teams play we need to do everything we can to run their legs off....half court game will favor them like it did last night.
Bo teaches his players to not reach and to stand with arms up and not really try to block the shot with arm movements... but what he also teaches is to use the body on the opponent... watch on the post ups how the UW player will be straight up but then body shot the offensive player on the shot. Rarely gets called. He will have his players put a body and grab when a player without the ball is cutting through the lane. Rarely gets called. I guess, if you can teach it, and get away with it.... ::)
Yet, the refs will call hand checks and questionable reaches 30 feet from the basket. That can be frustrating to watch. I doubt we'll get a "let them play" crew, as we never seem to get calls in Madison. UW will do the usual grab and body bump without a call and we'll get called on the handchecks out top.
Are we seriously blaming the refs before the game is even played? Wow.
Quote from: copious1218 on December 01, 2011, 03:24:40 PM
Are we seriously blaming the refs before the game is even played? Wow.
+1
Where's Chico's when you need him to tell us that the Tarheels actually lost the game since it was played in Chapelhill and only won by 3.
We can win this game. We need to make our shots. Play aggressive defense. Push the ball up court and complete the baskets. It's important that Marquette gets an early lead and builds on it. Let Bucky chase us.