According to some of my Twitter feeds....
Chicago Bears quarterback Jay Cutler is expected to be sidelined six to eight weeks with a broken thumb on his right throwing hand suffered late in Sunday's 31-20 victory over San Diego, multiple sources told the Tribune.
According to a source, surgery could be an option for the quarterback, but there is no immediate plan to put Cutler on injured reserve. Essentially, he could return for the playoffs, with six weeks remaining in the regular season.
EDIT...Happened on the interception when Johnny Knox fell down and he was helping to prevent a Chargers touchdown on an interception return by San Diego's Antoine Cason when he was knocked to the ground by linebacker Donald Butler with 10:03 left in the game. He played the rest of the game, in which he completed 18 of 31 passes for 286 yards and two touchdowns, with an interception.
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Caleb Hanie, you are up.
Have gotten texts from Bears front office people that Cutler is done for the year (broken thumb on throwing hand).
Sorry, I didn't see this thread when I posted, but yes I got multiple texts from people in the Bears front office that he is done, but won't be put on IR.
I am a diehard Packer fan who detests the Bears. That stated, this is not welcome news. I always liked Cutler, from his days at Vanderbilt and felt that he was not respected for his talents. This year, Martz finally figured it out and he was having a very nice year.
Favre played his whole career with that injury. Ok, maybe a bit of an exaggeration, but tough guys find a way to play.
Depends on how bad the break is...not all broken thumbs are the same.
Quote from: Warrior1 on November 20, 2011, 09:30:38 PM
Favre played his whole career with that injury. Ok, maybe a bit of an exaggeration, but tough guys find a way to play.
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Quote from: Warrior1 on November 20, 2011, 09:30:38 PM
Favre played his whole career with that injury. Ok, maybe a bit of an exaggeration, but tough guys find a way to play.
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i'm dumb.
Bears play the rest of the AFC West and the Seahawks in their next 5. Hanie can keep them afloat.
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on November 20, 2011, 10:19:30 PM
Bears play the rest of the AFC West and the Seahawks in their next 5. Hanie can keep them afloat.
Next 4 and then at GB and at MN.
... from sucking on it. I said last year he has a terrible PR problem, let alone game. Now he's just one of those guys who is ALMOST there always. He's never EVER going to be the guy. I don't know about fate or anything, but the guy won't ever get a break [ahem]. Tough titties Bears fans. But, hey, Hanie did okay in the NFCCG. North is down to two teams. Happy Turkey day and Go Pack.
Quote from: MUFC9295 on November 20, 2011, 10:26:49 PM
... from sucking on it. I said last year he has a terrible PR problem, let alone game. Now he's just one of those guys who is ALMOST there always. He's never EVER going to be the guy. I don't know about fate or anything, but the guy won't ever get a break [ahem]. Tough titties Bears fans. But, hey, Hanie did okay in the NFCCG. North is down to two teams. Happy Turkey day and Go Pack.
Huh? He was having an outstanding year. None of this made sense.
if hanie is servicable, forte, hester and the defense can get them to the playoffs. Seattle and KC at home should be wins. Minn and Denver are certainly winnable. Oak and Green Bay will be tough. I am expecting 3-3 with Hanie at the helm, with a decent chance at 4-2. 3-3 gets them in the playoffs, most likely. at that point, cutler may be back.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-spt-1121-bears-haugh--20111121,0,4589750.column
Good picture of the "soft player" breaking his thumb with a nice Stafford reference in the article.
Quote from: SaintPaulWarrior on November 20, 2011, 10:21:44 PM
Next 4 and then at GB and at MN.
Ah, right. I was counting the Chargers.
Quote from: MUDish on November 20, 2011, 10:36:57 PM
Huh? He was having an outstanding year. None of this made sense.
I think that's the point. He
was having a great year, and now this happens. I tend to agree. It continues to look like it is just may never happen for the guy, despite the talent.
It really is too bad. After the last 2 weeks, it really looked like the Bears were the number 3 NFC team, probably in the top 5 in the NFL. As a Packers fan I wasn't looking forward to playing them again. Who knows what happens now. Even if they keep grinding out wins, it's huge not having Cutler for the playoffs.
Cutler is a top 10 to 15 qb in the nfl (slightly above average to average starter). Hanie, although he looked solid in the payoffs, will probably be among the 5-7 worse. However, I don't think the Bears have really been relying on the passing game to win so I'm not sure this loss will be as significant as some Bears' fans think.
I'm a Pack fan but I still don't like to see injuries to other teams. Rather whip them at full strength!!
Quote from: jmayer1 on November 21, 2011, 08:28:35 AM
Cutler is a top 10 to 15 qb in the nfl (slightly above average to average starter). Hanie, although he looked solid in the payoffs, will probably be among the 5-7 worse. However, I don't think the Bears have really been relying on the passing game to win so I'm not sure this loss will be as significant as some Bears' fans think.
I'm a Pack fan but I still don't like to see injuries to other teams. Rather whip them at full strength!!
Which 10-14 QBs would you rank ahead of him? I'll give you Brady, P. Manning, Rodgers, Brees, who else ya got? Just curious.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 21, 2011, 08:38:00 AM
Which 10-14 QBs would you rank ahead of him? I'll give you Brady, P. Manning, Rodgers, Brees, who else ya got? Just curious.
I too would be interested to hear which 10-14 QBs are believed to be better than Cutler.
Just thinking about the NFC, after Rodgers and Brees, who would you rather have?
Bradford, Kolb, Tavaris, Alex Smith?
Freeman, Ryan, Newton? I'll give you the potential of Newton as a "maybe".
Vick, Eli, Romo, Grossman? 3 of the 4 you can say "maybe", but you can also make strong cases against.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 21, 2011, 08:38:00 AM
Which 10-14 QBs would you rank ahead of him? I'll give you Brady, P. Manning, Rodgers, Brees, who else ya got? Just curious.
Tebow, and he counts for 10
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 21, 2011, 08:38:00 AM
Which 10-14 QBs would you rank ahead of him? I'll give you Brady, P. Manning, Rodgers, Brees, who else ya got? Just curious.
He's top 10. Who would I take ahead of him?
Rodgers
Brady
Brees
Rothlesberger
E. Manning
Rivers
Romo
Maybe Newton
Maybe Stafford
P. Manning (assuming he can come back)
It all kind of depends on if you're talking about today or long term. And whether they are healthy. Ones I would for sure say yes to over Cutler:
Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Rothlisberger, Eli Manning (obviously would say Peyton too if he was playing this year)
Ones I would consider taking over Cutler:
Romo, Schaub, Newton, Ryan, Vick (probably not this year), Stafford (when healthy), Rivers (if we're talking long term...obviously not having a good year)
Cutler ranks 11th in passer rating this year, 26th in completion percentage, 16th in passing yards, 11th in yards per attempt, 16th in touchdowns, 8th best in terms of interceptions, and 19th in yards per game. Obviously, the weapons in terms of receivers and the protection are not equal for all of these quarterbacks, so it's hard to say who's better than who solely based on statistics, but it's not like he's been absolutely lighting it up this year. Solid year. But it's not hard to fathom 10 quarterbacks being considered better than him in the NFL.
That's the thing, there are too many "maybe" and "if" both for and against.
People have said Eli and Romo, but that's hard to definitively say "yes" to on either of those guys. If you give Cutler the weapons Romo has, does your mind change? Eli's won a SB, but do you watch him consistently and get blown away? Cutler can over trust his arm sometimes and make silly throws.
Quote from: MUDish on November 21, 2011, 09:37:26 AM
That's the thing, there are too many "maybe" and "if" both for and against.
People have said Eli and Romo, but that's hard to definitively say "yes" to on either of those guys. If you give Cutler the weapons Romo has, does your mind change? Eli's won a SB, but do you watch him consistently and get blown away? Cutler can over trust his arm sometimes and make silly throws.
Agreed. He's in the 2nd tier somewhere. Whether it's between quarterback #7 or quarterback #15, he's somewhere in that range.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on November 20, 2011, 10:45:20 PM
if hanie is servicable, forte, hester and the defense can get them to the playoffs. Seattle and KC at home should be wins. Minn and Denver are certainly winnable. Oak and Green Bay will be tough. I am expecting 3-3 with Hanie at the helm, with a decent chance at 4-2. 3-3 gets them in the playoffs, most likely. at that point, cutler may be back.
I hope so...Bears own the tie breaker with ATL but they would need some help from DAL's opponents. (I think NYG win the NFC East)
I think if the Bears can win 3 and get some help they'll get in...4 and they will be in. I think they beat KC and possibly SEA at home and maybe GB won't be playing for anything in DEC so maybe that's a shot at a W. DEN is another possibility...they won't need to score more than 14 to hang with DEN. I think they loose next week to OAK.
Given the pathetic QB history in Chicago, it is easy to understand what Bear fans are excited about Cutler and disappointed by this news. Even if he is top 10-15, good but not elite, etc., he is a good player, and certainly the best they have had...maybe ever.
I think its easy for us Packer fans to overlook that, considering we went from one of the greatest of all time, and although its still early, seemingly were able to actually upgrade the position. A fact that completely blows my mind given how few good QBs there are in the league in any given year.
wasn't Cutler a ProBowler at Denver?
If he had the offensive lines and the receivers of the others this wouldn't be a discussion.
Quote from: MUMac on November 20, 2011, 09:28:45 PM
I am a diehard Packer fan who detests the Bears. That stated, this is not welcome news. I always liked Cutler, from his days at Vanderbilt and felt that he was not respected for his talents. This year, Martz finally figured it out and he was having a very nice year.
That's because Cutler told Martz to basically "Eff off"
I still can't believe he has a coaching job on the merits of "his" Rams' offense that included how many HOF'ers?
Fellow Packers fans, relax. Cutler is a top ten quarterback, hands down.
Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Peyton and Rothelisberger are hands down the best QBs in the league. Stafford, Rivers, Eli and Cutler are all together in terms of talent.
Quote from: marqptm on November 21, 2011, 10:08:57 AM
Fellow Packers fans, relax.
Who wasn't relaxed? I don't think I've ever seen such consensus on this board.
I think what is most disappointing for me is Cutler missing out on the opportunity to go back into Denver and shut up Saint Tebow on his home turf in a return to his former stomping grounds.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on November 21, 2011, 09:49:20 AM
I think its easy for us Packer fans to overlook that, considering we went from one of the greatest of all time, and although its still early, seemingly were able to actually upgrade the position. A fact that completely blows my mind given how few good QBs there are in the league in any given year.
This is an outstanding comment. Given how few actual elite, truly elite QB's there are out there, for the Packers to have probably a 20 year run between Favre and Rodgers is remarkable. Only the 49ers with Montana/Young come to mind otherwise for a sustained run of excellence at that position. Look at the Dolphins still trying to replace Marino.
Quote from: MUDish on November 21, 2011, 11:28:37 AM
Look at the Dolphins still trying to replace Marino.
(dolphins fan here) :nods solemnly:
I actually own a Jay Fiedler jersey. Loved him, think he's the best we've had since Marino. Just some perspective.
Unrelated - ironic that Cutler actually got hurt out of the pocket.
At least its a real injury that is going to side line him this year?
Not like last year when he was a kitten ass little bitch that just didn't want to play
Quote from: MUDish on November 21, 2011, 11:28:37 AM
This is an outstanding comment. Given how few actual elite, truly elite QB's there are out there, for the Packers to have probably a 20 year run between Favre and Rodgers is remarkable. Only the 49ers with Montana/Young come to mind otherwise for a sustained run of excellence at that position. Look at the Dolphins still trying to replace Marino.
It is unfathomable, frankly. More so because as we sit here today, would anyone argue that Steve Young was a better QB than Joe Montana -- probably not. However, I don't think anyone would argue that Rodgers has a legitimate chance and opportunity to be considered better than Favre 10-15 years from now.
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Quote from: NavinRJohnson on November 21, 2011, 10:39:00 AM
Who wasn't relaxed? I don't think I've ever seen such consensus on this board.
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Quote from: Ari Gold on November 21, 2011, 11:43:34 AM
At least its a real injury that is going to side line him this year?
Not like last year when he was a kitten ass little bitch that just didn't want to play
Anyway, I think the comments are about right on. Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Roethisberger, healthy Peyton are clearly the upper level. I think guys like Romo, Eli, Cutler, Rivers, arguably Stafford and a guy like Newton are all at about the same level. Romo, Eli, Rivers and Cutler are easier to compare because they're all at similar stages in their careers, and I think you could make a reasonable argument for any possible ordering of those four QB's. Personally, I'd rank Eli and Rivers ahead of Cutler or Romo because of proven playoff experience, but that's not to say that Cutler is any less talented, or that he could prove me wrong.
Quote from: Benny B on November 21, 2011, 11:50:01 AM
It is unfathomable, frankly. More so because as we sit here today, would anyone argue that Steve Young was a better QB than Joe Montana -- probably not. However, I don't think anyone would argue that Rodgers has a legitimate chance and opportunity to be considered better than Favre 10-15 years from now.
Lets pump the brakes here a little. I agree that he could "potentially" be considered better than Favre someday, but you can get away with saying just about anything by qualifying it as "potential." I just hope everyone remembers that Favre was unquestionably the top QB in the league for 3-4 years, and had remarkable longevity and effectiveness even after his prime. I'm just saying that there are a TON of intervening events before that becomes a meaningful discussion.
To be clear, I agree with you, it could happen. I just think people sometimes forget how good Favre actually was in the late 90s, and how he maintained a slightly lesser level of play through the 2000s.
Quote from: Benny B on November 21, 2011, 11:50:01 AM
It is unfathomable, frankly. More so because as we sit here today, would anyone argue that Steve Young was a better QB than Joe Montana -- probably not. However, I don't think anyone would argue that Rodgers has a legitimate chance and opportunity to be considered better than Favre 10-15 years from now.
Apples to oranges. Young didn't become the 49ers full-time starting QB until he was 31 years old. He didn't have a 10-12 year window to outperform his predecessor. Had Young taken over for Montana 4-5 years earlier or been 4-5 years younger, who knows how we'd view him compared to Montana?
Quote from: MUBurrow on November 21, 2011, 11:37:46 AM
(dolphins fan here) :nods solemnly:
I actually own a Jay Fiedler jersey. Loved him, think he's the best we've had since Marino. Just some perspective.
More perspective. The Bears best QB of the last 25 years has been Erik Kramer (and he was 18-28 as a starter). The Bears all-time leader in passing yards is Sid Luckman with 14,686 (Sid retired in 1950). That's 24 yards more than what future HOFer Matt Schaub has thrown for in his last 4 seasons.
Hearing now the thumb injury isn't as bad as believed, but will still require surgery.
Bears say he will certainly miss next 4 games (@ Oak, KC, @ Den, Sea). Assuming the surgery goes well and heals properly, Bears would evaluate then where they are in the playoff race before the Christmas night game (again, assuming Cutler heals in good time).
We'll see if this is true, but just heard this from a pretty good and reliable source.
Quote from: MUDish on November 21, 2011, 11:28:37 AM
This is an outstanding comment. Given how few actual elite, truly elite QB's there are out there, for the Packers to have probably a 20 year run between Favre and Rodgers is remarkable. Only the 49ers with Montana/Young come to mind otherwise for a sustained run of excellence at that position. Look at the Dolphins still trying to replace Marino.
This Packer fan remembers the dark days where the only fleeting bright spots were Lynn Dickey and the Majik Man. My childhood (and early adulthood) is darkened by the days of David Whitehurst, Randy Wright, Anthony Dilweg and Blair Keil.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 21, 2011, 01:53:19 PM
This Packer fan remembers the dark days where the only fleeting bright spots were Lynn Dickey and the Majik Man. My childhood (and early adulthood) is darkened by the days of David Whitehurst, Randy Wright, Anthony Dilweg and Blair Keil.
At least you did not have to live through Jim Delgaizo and John Hadl!
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 21, 2011, 12:39:44 PM
Apples to oranges. Young didn't become the 49ers full-time starting QB until he was 31 years old. He didn't have a 10-12 year window to outperform his predecessor. Had Young taken over for Montana 4-5 years earlier or been 4-5 years younger, who knows how we'd view him compared to Montana?
Exactly... such has never happened before - who knows if it ever will. It takes a perfect storm for us to even have the chance to talk about the remote possibility of an NFL legend being surpassed by his immediate successor (on the field). It speaks to the magnitude of the significance should it actually happen.
Quote from: MUDish on November 21, 2011, 12:51:50 PM
Hearing now the thumb injury isn't as bad as believed, but will still require surgery.
Bears say he will certainly miss next 4 games (@ Oak, KC, @ Den, Sea). Assuming the surgery goes well and heals properly, Bears would evaluate then where they are in the playoff race before the Christmas night game (again, assuming Cutler heals in good time).
We'll see if this is true, but just heard this from a pretty good and reliable source.
God, I hope so...thanks for the info Dish!
Sorry I wasn't able to respond all day, but here's my list of guys if I wanted a qb for the next two years and how I'd group them:
Rodger, Brady, Brees, P Manning (if healthy, huge if), Roethlisberger
Romo, E Manning, Schaub, Rivers (normally, he's been awful this year)
Vick, Newton, Cutler, Stafford, Ryan, Flacco
As other's have said, there's definititely some arguments to be made for putting Cutler ahead of some of those guys in the 2nd tier, I just wouldn't put him there (maybe I'm biased as a Packers fan), but I don't think you can say he's top 10 hands down. Granted, he doesn't have great skill players around him, other than a top 5 rb, but he doesn't do any one thing exceptionally well and that shows up when you look at his stats, nothing jumps off the page at you.
Quote from: MUDish on November 21, 2011, 12:51:50 PM
Hearing now the thumb injury isn't as bad as believed, but will still require surgery.
Bears say he will certainly miss next 4 games (@ Oak, KC, @ Den, Sea). Assuming the surgery goes well and heals properly, Bears would evaluate then where they are in the playoff race before the Christmas night game (again, assuming Cutler heals in good time).
We'll see if this is true, but just heard this from a pretty good and reliable source.
The next 4 are all games that the Bears can win with Hanie.
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on November 22, 2011, 08:50:19 AM
The next 4 are all games that the Bears can win with Hanie.
I think the next 4 are games the Bears could win with me at QB.
I don't know the answer to this but maybe someone on here may have an answer. Cutler is a diabetic....does this have any effect on his recovery time i.e. making it longer?
Quote from: SaintPaulWarrior on November 22, 2011, 09:54:54 AM
I don't know the answer to this but maybe someone on here may have an answer. Cutler is a diabetic....does this have any effect on his recovery time i.e. making it longer?
It should have no effect on his recovery time.
Quote from: SaintPaulWarrior on November 22, 2011, 09:54:54 AM
I don't know the answer to this but maybe someone on here may have an answer. Cutler is a diabetic....does this have any effect on his recovery time i.e. making it longer?
Probably the same effect the plethora of STD's from his reality show ex-fiance/girlfriend has on him.
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on November 22, 2011, 11:05:03 AM
Probably the same effect the plethora of STD's from his reality show ex-fiance/girlfriend has on him.
Current fiance.
Quote from: MU B2002 on November 22, 2011, 11:13:01 AM
Current fiance.
Ex.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-report-thumbs-up-for-cutlercavallari-engagement-20111121,0,35930.story
Quote from: SaintPaulWarrior on November 22, 2011, 11:30:50 AM
Ex.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/chi-report-thumbs-up-for-cutlercavallari-engagement-20111121,0,35930.story
?
http://deadspin.com/5861566/jay-cutler-has-proposed-again-to-kristin-cavallari-the-fiancee-he-dumped-in-july
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on November 22, 2011, 11:05:03 AM
Probably the same effect the plethora of STD's from his reality show ex-fiance/girlfriend has on him.
Classy
Quote from: MU B2002 on November 22, 2011, 11:39:35 AM
?
http://deadspin.com/5861566/jay-cutler-has-proposed-again-to-kristin-cavallari-the-fiancee-he-dumped-in-july
Not sure the "?", but both you link and the one in the post above yours show that she denies it.
Quote from: MUMac on November 22, 2011, 02:54:00 PM
Not sure the "?", but both you link and the one in the post above yours show that she denies it.
Yep. My bad. When I 1st read the deadspin article she had yet to deny the report.
Quote from: MU B2002 on November 22, 2011, 03:01:28 PM
Yep. My bad. When I 1st read the deadspin article she had yet to deny the report.
Ah, now I understand that as the deadspin article has the denial as an "Update".
Kyle Orton was just waived by Denver. I trust Hanie and know that the Bears will make the playoffs, but it might be something to look into.
Quote from: cbowe3 on November 22, 2011, 03:40:27 PM
Kyle Orton was just waived by Denver. I trust Hanie and know that the Bears will make the playoffs, but it might be something to look into.
He has to clear waivers first and maybe the Chiefs claim him if not someone else.
Or Texans, Jaguars, Cardinals
Anybody that claims him owes him 2.75 mill for the rest of the year....if he clears waivers they pay like 710K and the Broncos pay the rest.
Word on NFL.COM is the Bears will put in a claim on waivers for Orton. Dish?
My gut tells me KC picks him up on waivers. Not sure, if I am he Bears, that I would put a waiver claim in unless I think Cutler is out through the Playoffs.
Hearing Bears will not put a waiver claim in on Orton. Bears will roll the dice that he passes through waivers and then try to sign him at the pro-rated veteran minimum.
FWIW, Orton wants to come back to Chicago, at least that is his stated preference (publicly he's stated this too I believe).
Of the teams looking for a QB, the Bears are the ones who have the most legitimate playoff chances. I would suspect Orton would want to go there. Publicly saying it, in hopes other teams back away. I just don't see KC doing that. As weak as the AFC West is, KC still has a legitimate shot (Seattle, circa 2010 anyone?). Palko does nothing for me. With Cassell out for the season, they may need to make that move.
As for the Bears, as I said earlier, if they fear Cutler will be out longer than 4 weeks, pick up Orton. Otherwise, I would pass. They will win the next 4 without Cutler. After that, they should be in good shape to make the Playoffs and bring Cutler back.
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on November 23, 2011, 07:49:32 AM
So you're a fan of hers?
Not necessarily. I just think it was unnecessary. I'd have said the same thing if Rodgers was dating her.
Quote from: MUMac on November 22, 2011, 08:38:10 PM
Of the teams looking for a QB, the Bears are the ones who have the most legitimate playoff chances. I would suspect Orton would want to go there. Publicly saying it, in hopes other teams back away. I just don't see KC doing that. As weak as the AFC West is, KC still has a legitimate shot (Seattle, circa 2010 anyone?). Palko does nothing for me. With Cassell out for the season, they may need to make that move.
As for the Bears, as I said earlier, if they fear Cutler will be out longer than 4 weeks, pick up Orton. Otherwise, I would pass. They will win the next 4 without Cutler. After that, they should be in good shape to make the Playoffs and bring Cutler back.
Houston? I don't think you or the texans think leinart is going to lead them to playoff success.
Quote from: JWags85 on November 23, 2011, 09:49:09 AM
Not necessarily. I just think it was unnecessary. I'd have said the same thing if Rodgers was dating her.
She is mostly "famous" for banging Leinart and Cutler.
She's FOREVER UNCLEAN!
Texans are signing Kellen Clemons. They will not be going after Orton.