Is Juan making the trip to the Virgin Islands?
per his twitter "It's freezing!! And the wind litearlly feels like its cutting my face"
....do I take that he's still in Milwaukee....or is is just cold in Alabama?
As I understand - the team got stuck there last night.
He is still in Milwaukee but i heard he's leaving Saturday
He should be eligible after the Winthrop game though, right?
So, the team charters it's own flight....
...and then Anderson flys commercial or what?
Probably didn't want Juan to miss classes for a game he couldn't play in.
Makes sense to me.
Quote from: MuMark on November 17, 2011, 10:11:05 AM
Probably didn't want Juan to miss classes for a game he couldn't play in.
Makes sense to me.
I doubt this is the case - I'd have to think it is part of the terms of the 3 game suspension...that he couldn't travel with team as a consequence (to pacify the NCAA). As much class as these guys miss over the course of a year - I just don't see the team holding him back and flying him separately all in the spirit of not missing 2 days of class...
Quote from: Ners on November 17, 2011, 10:14:08 AM
I doubt this is the case - I'd have to think it is part of the terms of the 3 game suspension...that he couldn't travel with team as a consequence (to pacify the NCAA). As much class as these guys miss over the course of a year - I just don't see the team holding him back and flying him separately all in the spirit of not missing 2 days of class...
That's probably specifically why they would hold him back and fly him separately.
Quote from: jeffreyweee on November 17, 2011, 10:15:31 AM
That's probably specifically why they would hold him back and fly him separately.
Definitely can look at it that way too....yet the guys just don't miss a lot of class time 1st semester, as most games are at home....it really isn't until January when they miss a lot of class time..
Probably reading too much into it, but is he eligible to play in this tournament mid-way through? I know these games count as one for scheduling purposes, does that mean the same for suspensions? I'm guessing it isn't the same, just curious.
He is only suspended for Winthrop but can play in the rest. I think he isn't travelling with the team in part because of classes, but in part because of his continued punishment.
These guys don't miss that much class anymore due to travel. Since they began flying charter, they can play in a late game on the east coast and be in class at 9 am the next day. The missing class only becomes a problem during tournaments, where they play multiple games over a 3-4 day period.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 17, 2011, 10:39:36 AM
He is only suspended for Winthrop but can play in the rest. I think he isn't travelling with the team in part because of classes, but in part because of his continued punishment.
I was not able to attend the first two games, so do not know the answer to this question. Was Anderson on the bench during the first two games? I am guessing the answer is no, but not certain. If it is no, it would not make much sense to bring him down and keep him in a hotel for the day. Just my thought.
If he was allowed on the bench, then I would change it to a decision to keep him home to miss as few classes as possible, which is important for a Frosh.
In either case, I suspect it is MU's decision, not the NCAA's.
Quote from: MUMac on November 17, 2011, 11:08:22 AM
I was not able to attend the first two games, so do not know the answer to this question. Was Anderson on the bench during the first two games? I am guessing the answer is no, but not certain. If it is no, it would not make much sense to bring him down and keep him in a hotel for the day. Just my thought.
If he was allowed on the bench, then I would change it to a decision to keep him home to miss as few classes as possible, which is important for a Frosh.
In either case, I suspect it is MU's decision, not the NCAA's.
I didn't see him at all. I looked a little for someone in street clothes like Jamil Wilson + Dave Singleton last year and couldn't find anybody. Maybe he wasn't sitting with the team? Maybe he was in someone's luxury box? :P
Quote from: MUMac on November 17, 2011, 11:08:22 AM
I was not able to attend the first two games, so do not know the answer to this question. Was Anderson on the bench during the first two games? I am guessing the answer is no, but not certain. If it is no, it would not make much sense to bring him down and keep him in a hotel for the day. Just my thought.
If he was allowed on the bench, then I would change it to a decision to keep him home to miss as few classes as possible, which is important for a Frosh.
In either case, I suspect it is MU's decision, not the NCAA's.
He was on the bench in street clothes, just like Jake Thomas. I know Jake Thomas can't travel with the team because of his transfer status, so maybe the suspension status carries the same restrictions?
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on November 17, 2011, 11:11:11 AM
He was on the bench in street clothes, just like Jake Thomas. I know Jake Thomas can't travel with the team because of his transfer status, so maybe the suspension status carries the same restrictions?
Thanks for the response. Travel may not be allowed until the suspension is over, but you would think a "waiver" could be accomplished for travel to a tournament when the suspension is mid tournament. Then again, it is the NCAA we're discussing ...
Quote from: MUMac on November 17, 2011, 11:15:42 AM
Then again, it is the NCAA we're discussing ...
Haha its true. Make sure he doesn't get a bagel with cream cheese on it!
I believe players that are ineligible to play cannot travel with the team. Therefore, he could not travel until after Friday's game. It did occur to me that this might be the downside to not playing exhibition games. The penalty would have bee a lot less, if he was suspended for 3 games which included the two allowed exhibition games. However, I am not sure it would have worked that way.
Anderson as been on the bench the last 2 home games.
Per NCAA rules...ineligible players are not allowed to travel.... Anderson's inelibility ends after the game tonite...at which time he is eligible to travel.
So he has to wait until ~9:30 CST on Friday to be able to begin his travel to the Virgin Islands for Sunday's game? Cool rule NCAA.
I hope the flight attendant on the commercial flight doesn't give him an extra bag of peanuts or the whole can of Coke. He might miss a few more games.
I think he just cannot travel WITH THE TEAM. the NCAA cannot stop the guy from leaving milwaukee or anything.
Quote from: boyonthedock on November 17, 2011, 12:36:15 PM
I think he just cannot travel WITH THE TEAM. the NCAA cannot stop the guy from leaving milwaukee or anything.
However, he'd have to do it on his dime. If the school pays for it regardless of physical proximity to the team, he is "traveling" with the team.
.....yet what if he travels after the third game of his suspension. He's no longer suspended and ought to be able to have MU pay the tab.
Quote from: APieperFan3 on November 17, 2011, 09:21:30 AM
Is Juan making the trip to the Virgin Islands?
per his twitter "It's freezing!! And the wind litearlly feels like its cutting my face"
....do I take that he's still in Milwaukee....or is is just cold in Alabama?
As I understand - the team got stuck there last night.
The team was stuck in Alabama and noone told me?
Quote from: bamamarquettefan on November 17, 2011, 01:18:47 PM
The team was stuck in Alabama and noone told me?
Didn't want you and your cousin/wife out there circling the plane in your pick-up truck firing off your shotgun.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 17, 2011, 01:32:42 PM
Didn't want you and your cousin/wife out there circling the plane in your pick-up truck firing off your shotgun.
I don't know if bama will laugh, but I certainly did! Well played.
The real significance of Juan's post is he thought today was cold, hope he doesn't leave town when it gets below zero and the wind is whipping off the lake.
Quote from: bamamarquettefan on November 17, 2011, 01:18:47 PM
The team was stuck in Alabama and noone told me?
Guess they missed out on some nice fruit baskets! Oh wait, that would probably be an NCAA violation
Quote from: sailwi on November 17, 2011, 05:56:18 PM
The real significance of Juan's post is he thought today was cold, hope he doesn't leave town when it gets below zero and the wind is whipping off the lake.
Thought about that too...but he was at MU during a game in the middle of winter last year...so he does have an idea how cold it can get. As Buzz would say - if the cold weather is too much for a player to handle - that player probably isn't tough enough to play for me.
I have all the confidence Juan will tough it out/get over it in due time. That which doesn't kill you only makes you stronger.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 17, 2011, 01:32:42 PM
Didn't want you and your cousin/wife out there circling the plane in your pick-up truck firing off your shotgun.
Zing!
Quote from: sailwi on November 17, 2011, 05:56:18 PM
The real significance of Juan's post is he thought today was cold, hope he doesn't leave town when it gets below zero and the wind is whipping off the lake.
I don't blame him. I thought it was cold as well. The beginning of winter always feels colder than the middle or the end. By the time it turns 0, your body has adapted. At least that is always my hope!
Quote from: sailwi on November 17, 2011, 05:56:18 PM
The real significance of Juan's post is he thought today was cold, hope he doesn't leave town when it gets below zero and the wind is whipping off the lake.
Luckily, the university's allowed to give him a nice parka.
Quote from: sailwi on November 17, 2011, 05:56:18 PM
The real significance of Juan's post is he thought today was cold, hope he doesn't leave town when it gets below zero and the wind is whipping off the lake.
Obviously, he's transferrin' for sure.
Quote from: chapman on November 17, 2011, 12:09:57 PM
So he has to wait until ~9:30 CST on Friday to be able to begin his travel to the Virgin Islands for Sunday's game? Cool rule NCAA.
Juan has choices. Don't break the rule....accept the punishment and fly down there...skip the whole thing.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 18, 2011, 06:38:34 AM
Juan has choices. Don't break the rule....accept the punishment and fly down there...skip the whole thing.
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I'm not being pious. The NCAA rule is that he cannot travel with the team when he is suspended. So he has to travel to the Virgin Islands alone. He's a big boy. I'm sure the pilots will pin some wings on his shirt and the flight attendants will escort him to Buzz's waiting arms.
Seriously, blaming the NCAA? Juan broke a rule. Juan has to live with the consequences.
Regarding the rule he broke - "Accepting tickets to a Brewers playoff game"
How does the NCAA go about determining this? Meaning, does it matter WHO he got the tickets from?
Example: What if he got the tickets from a friend of his family? Or what if he got the tickets from someone who isnt associated with Marquette?
Is that still a violation as a NCAA student athlete?
Quote from: APieperFan3 on November 18, 2011, 12:12:51 PM
Regarding the rule he broke - "Accepting tickets to a Brewers playoff game"
How does the NCAA go about determining this? Meaning, does it matter WHO he got the tickets from?
Example: What if he got the tickets from a friend of his family? Or what if he got the tickets from someone who isnt associated with Marquette?
Is that still a violation as a NCAA student athlete?
Honestly, I have wondered this quite a bit myself. If a fellow classmate that is not associated with the team asked Juan to go to the game, is this a violation? Seems silly.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on November 18, 2011, 12:25:01 PM
Honestly, I have wondered this quite a bit myself. If a fellow classmate that is not associated with the team asked Juan to go to the game, is this a violation? Seems silly.
I was talking about this with a friend of mine who is on MU's golf team. His understanding of the NCAA rule based on what he's heard at numerous student athlete meetings is that you cannot accept any benefits if they are offered based on your status as a student athlete. So it would seem that if a friend was offering the ticket, it would be ok. I don't know how they would go about determining whether or not the gift is based on the athlete status.
Quote from: w0bbie on November 18, 2011, 01:45:47 PM
I was talking about this with a friend of mine who is on MU's golf team. His understanding of the NCAA rule based on what he's heard at numerous student athlete meetings is that you cannot accept any benefits if they are offered based on your status as a student athlete. So it would seem that if a friend was offering the ticket, it would be ok. I don't know how they would go about determining whether or not the gift is based on the athlete status.
Pretty simply the way the NCAA handles these situations is if you accept anything as a a student athlete it is a violation. That is why athletes are told not to accept anything and boosters/friends/fans/etc. told not to give anything.
Right...the key phrase is "based on what he heard in numerous student athletic meetings." MU pounds this into their heads. Juan should know better.
This is a secondary violation. It will be reported to the NCAA, along with the self-immposed punishment, and it will likely be left at that.
Quote from: w0bbie on November 18, 2011, 01:45:47 PM
I was talking about this with a friend of mine who is on MU's golf team. His understanding of the NCAA rule based on what he's heard at numerous student athlete meetings is that you cannot accept any benefits if they are offered based on your status as a student athlete. So it would seem that if a friend was offering the ticket, it would be ok. I don't know how they would go about determining whether or not the gift is based on the athlete status.
From the NCAA Website. http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Enforcement/Resources/Role+of+boosters+in+intercollegiate+athletics (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Enforcement/Resources/Role+of+boosters+in+intercollegiate+athletics)
What are examples of impermissible extra benefits for enrolled student-athletes?
As a booster, you may not provide a student-athlete or a student-athlete's friends, relatives or guardians:
• Tickets to college or professional sporting events.
• A special discount, payment arrangement or credit on a purchase or service.
• Cash or loan or signing or co-signing of a loan.
• Transportation, payment of expense or loan of any automobile.
• Benefits or gifts based upon the student-athlete's athletic performance.
• Free or reduced rent or housing.
An honorarium to a student-athlete for a speaking engagement.
Quote from: MUMac on November 18, 2011, 02:35:27 PM
From the NCAA Website. http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Enforcement/Resources/Role+of+boosters+in+intercollegiate+athletics (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Enforcement/Resources/Role+of+boosters+in+intercollegiate+athletics)
What are examples of impermissible extra benefits for enrolled student-athletes?
As a booster, you may not provide a student-athlete or a student-athlete's friends, relatives or guardians:
• Tickets to college or professional sporting events.
• A special discount on shoes, payment arrangement or credit on a purchase or service.
• Cash or loan or signing or co-signing of a loan.
• Transportation, payment of expense or loan of any automobile.
• Benefits or gifts based upon the student-athlete's athletic performance.
• Free or reduced rent or housing.
An honorarium to a student-athlete for a speaking engagement.
fixed.
Just saw Juan at the airport security checkpoint getting ready to leave Milwaukee. Hard to miss a really tall guy decked out in MU gear with Beats headphones :)
Did TSA high profile him?