Good:
**Defense. Very solid. MSM was missing their leading scorer but still I liked what I saw
**Balanced scoring from the starting five. With a few to go in the game, all had between 10-20.
**Cadougan with 10+ assists
**Free throws 14-18 last I checked. 2 of those were D Wilson.
**Agressiveness by Jones
**Transition offense was lethal.
Bad:
**Three point shooting. Outside of DJO, 2-17...with the only 2 by Jae.
**Gave up too many offensive rebounds
**Jamil was pretty much non-existant. Very passive. Never put the ball on the floor.
**Mayo's shooting...enough said.
**Cadougan still struggles with defense.
Oh and SoTG? I don't know....Cadougan with 10 assists? DJO because of his efficiency?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 11, 2011, 10:09:05 PM
Oh and SoTG? I don't know....Cadougan with 10 assists? DJO because of his efficiency?
I think I'd go with Junior with the Double-Double pts/ast
Think we saw the future of Marquette basketball under Buzz tonight. Now that he has 11 high major players - I see him going with the "line" mentality most of the year...a 1st 5 rotation, and then a 2nd 5 rotation. We'll see if it holds up through the nonconference schedule....but in my view tonight - I did not feel the 2nd team was really much, if any type of drop off from 1st team/5...
This certainly allows both "5's" to go all out on both ends, as they can get sufficient rest...
I can't make any real observations since Mount St. Mary's was like a Div III team. Heck, they had walk ons playing, just terrible.
But, the horrendous three point shooting by MU and giving up offensive rebounds to MSM were low points.
Yeah, would say Junior for SotG for the double double. Maybe Otule in second for some nice swats and hitting all his free throws. Since I mentioned both, great to see two or three pretty assists between Junior and Chris tonight since they seemed to struggle to connect at times last year.
I think Mount St Mary's went to the wrong gym tonight. They must have meant to play Cardinal Stritch where they might have only lost by 20. Absolutely brutal.
Quote from: Ners on November 11, 2011, 10:23:45 PM
Think we saw the future of Marquette basketball under Buzz tonight. Now that he has 11 high major players - I see him going with the "line" mentality most of the year...a 1st 5 rotation, and then a 2nd 5 rotation. We'll see if it holds up through the nonconference schedule....but in my view tonight - I did not feel the 2nd team was really much, if any type of drop off from 1st team/5...
This certainly allows both "5's" to go all out on both ends, as they can get sufficient rest...
I disagree and hope that isn't the case. I don't know of too many teams that don't have a starter (or 2 and usually 3, really) on the floor at all points throughout a game (at least in minutes that mean something). I hope we don't do that.
Quote from: Ners on November 11, 2011, 10:23:45 PM
Think we saw the future of Marquette basketball under Buzz tonight. Now that he has 11 high major players - I see him going with the "line" mentality most of the year...a 1st 5 rotation, and then a 2nd 5 rotation. We'll see if it holds up through the nonconference schedule....but in my view tonight - I did not feel the 2nd team was really much, if any type of drop off from 1st team/5...
This certainly allows both "5's" to go all out on both ends, as they can get sufficient rest...
No way in hell. We won this game by 54 points, which allows for that. Once the Big East starts, he'll tighten up the rotation. Key guys like DJO and Crowder will get 30+, starting supporting cast like Junior and Otule will get 22-28. There is no way you'll see bulk shifts like this against Syracuse, Louisville, and UConn. That's just ludicrous. Our roster isn't there yet.
I like Otule and know he's put in the work but his hands still need A LOT of work. Good looking strokes at the line and quite a few baskets.
There will be no line changes come BE.
One thing I noticed is that Blue is not a fan favorite among the students, especially the girls.
Junior looked good on offense, but he still gets beaten off the dribble.
It's hard to learn much about MU when the opposition was so weak.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 11, 2011, 10:31:09 PM
No way in hell. We won this game by 54 points, which allows for that. Once the Big East starts, he'll tighten up the rotation. Key guys like DJO and Crowder will get 30+, starting supporting cast like Junior and Otule will get 22-28. There is no way you'll see bulk shifts like this against Syracuse, Louisville, and UConn. That's just ludicrous. Our roster isn't there yet.
It definitely would be a departure from what we've seen thus far under Buzz, but then again, we haven't had an ideal Buzz roster until this season. Buzz definitely was a fan of the Mizzou style that bounced MU from the tourney in 2009...
But yes, your point is well taken, and certainly more likely of a scenario than I proposed - but I would not be surprised to see a solid 9-10 man rotation...with even the 9 and 10 guys getting 10-15 minutes of run..
No way any coach keeps a rotation of 5 and then replace with 5. Fine for a crappy team tonight. When MU plays legit competition I'd like to see J Wilson in with the main rotation. He is one of the key players this year. Then spot minutes for Garnder, Jones, and frosh. Once the competition picks up the rotation will be 7 or 8. If one of the frosh shows potential maybe one more joins the party.
I am sorry but I just don't see how blue got his 5 star status. With less PT, Jones looks better and just more comfortable. Blue is still disappointing.
IMO Otule was the stud of the game by far. With the first "line" he was the only guy putting up points in the beginning of the first half, plus a couple of pretty good swats as well as dishing to teammates (whether they could finish or not). The big guy put in a solid game and got himself going without any help.
Jamail Jones was solid, though. At least he wasn't hoisting up 3s like Crowder.
Quote from: ErickJD08 on November 11, 2011, 10:52:59 PM
I am sorry but I just don't see how blue got his 5 star status. With less PT, Jones looks better and just more comfortable. Blue is still disappointing.
Blue was 100% percent better tonight than any game he played last year. He did not force anything and played within himself. He made some nice passes and defended pretty
well. He will never be a big scorer until he learns how to shoot, but if he can get 10 points a game this year, it is much more than I expected. It will get tougher against tougher
opposition but lets give him a chance. High school is a different game, 5 star means nothing, what star was DWade, Lazar, Jimmy, Wes. Brian Butch was a 5 star! So Brian should
have been a superstar, it does not always happen. finally, what star was DJO and Crowder??
Quote from: ErickJD08 on November 11, 2011, 10:52:59 PM
I am sorry but I just don't see how blue got his 5 star status. With less PT, Jones looks better and just more comfortable. Blue is still disappointing.
I disagree that Vander was disappointing. What did you expect out of him this game? He was taking smarter shots and finishing better inside. Played good defense and interrupted the passing lanes. Still three fouls but looked alright. Also made a few plays for others on offense and only 1 turnover. Not much to take away obviously, but I wouldn't label his performance as disappointing.
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 11, 2011, 10:59:03 PM
Blue was 100% percent better tonight than any game he played last year. He did not force anything and played within himself.
No question about it. He looked really comfortable and he took what was given. A very nice surprise.
We might be the best team in the nation.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on November 11, 2011, 11:20:58 PM
We might be the best team in the nation.
Possible. Not probable. I should probably go back and look up some of your overly negative positions from last year to temper that :)
Quote from: godzilla on November 11, 2011, 10:39:42 PM
One thing I noticed is that Blue is not a fan favorite among the students, especially the girls.
When you swing a big stick, you tend to gather haters.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 11, 2011, 11:24:59 PM
Possible. Not probable. I should probably go back and look up some of your overly negative positions from last year to temper that :)
New Season brings better optimism!!!!!!!
Good recaps...I might just add:
- The 19 steals represented the 2nd most in a game in 15 years
- Junior's 10 dimes was the 12th best assist performance over 15 years, which considering he played only 24 minutes, is special
I was pleased with Blue too, but he had some great games last year. In last year's opener, I believe he had 7 pts, 7 rebs, and 7 asts. He was great in the non-con, it was after Jan 1 that his trouble started.
Another note...for the first time I can ever recall, Chris Otule successfully received and scored on a pass he wasn't ready for. Junior had a little no-look layoff that CO caught and converted. With Buycks at the point, those passes were usually bounce passes, which seemed to wreak havoc on his depth perception. I really think Junior starting could completely change this team.
A win is a win is a win. But this was like BP - that's OK, use the 'cakes to shake things out, see who earns the minutes. Got to say, giving up 16 offensive boards to that crew gives one pause. Work to be done there.
That was a cupcake, it was a laugher, we won by a lot, I'm thrilled, yadayadayada.
Things I didn't like:
Jones has no conscience. OK to be aggressive, not ok to have one touch and jumper possessions, even against a cupcake.
Defensive rebounding. Many were of the variety where we had trapped on one side, they had gotten out of the trap and taken a shot, we had one guy on the weakside, and the ball went over his head into the hands of a guard. If we give up 16 OR's to MSM, what happens against a good team?
Junior still struggles to keep his man in front of him.
DG still looks slow getting back on defense in transition. (though his actual defense was better.)
It was clear to see the difference between new guys and returnees. The new guy who looked the best was DWilson, IMO.
Lots of fun, nobody got hurt. I'm really not displeased, just nit-picking looking for stuff that good teams are going to exploit.
Quote from: Ners on November 11, 2011, 10:40:43 PM
But yes, your point is well taken, and certainly more likely of a scenario than I proposed - but I would not be surprised to see a solid 9-10 man rotation...with even the 9 and 10 guys getting 10-15 minutes of run..
I want to see a little more out of Mayo and D. Wilson before I believe that they will get major minutes this year. Not to mention Anderson.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 12, 2011, 06:59:40 AM
I want to see a little more out of Mayo and D. Wilson before I believe that they will get major minutes this year. Not to mention Anderson.
Sure...makes sense. I was pleasantly surprised by D Wilson - though he looked solid with the ball, solid decision making, real nice pass to Gardner late in the game. Mayo, to me, just has the "look" of being a very good player - he's very fluid, smooth. Missed a few shots last night, but I might attribute some of that to first game jitters.
As I thought about the roster, it just doesn't seem that there is going to be much of a drop off between a first team/second team:
Junior vs. Derrick (advantage Junior - his jumper looked better last night than all of last season)
DJO vs. Mayo (okay, there is a likely major disparity)
Vander vs. Jamail Jones (really liked what I saw out of both of those guys last night)
Crowder vs Jamil Wilson (advantage Jae, but Jamil certainly has all the tools)
Otule vs. Gardner (slight advantage to Otule, but really not much of a drop off going to DG)
D. Wilson will be our best point guard by the end of the year. I already like him more than Blue or Junior. There's no nonsense to him.
Quote from: Ners on November 12, 2011, 07:23:53 AM
Crowder vs Jamil Wilson (advantage Jae, but Jamil certainly has all the tools)
Jamil Wilson is so athletic, but I was surprised how he didn't step up. He didn't seem to be very aggressive I guess? Crowder didn't look great all game either, jacking up all of those 3s. His game would be much better if he played within 15ft of the hoop :)
Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 12, 2011, 07:30:22 AM
Jamil Wilson is so athletic, but I was surprised how he didn't step up. He didn't seem to be very aggressive I guess? Crowder didn't look great all game either, jacking up all of those 3s. His game would be much better if he played within 15ft of the hoop :)
I have disagree on Crowder. Jae is the classic guy who takes what the defense gives him. If you let him wide open from three, he is going to take it. If you give him an opening underneath, he will take that too. Last night they left him open from three so he took them. He was 3 for 3 from two (100%) and 2 for 6 from three (which translates to 50% from two).
He was one of the most efficient offensive players for us last year (I believe second to Gardner). I see no reason why this wouldn't continue.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on November 12, 2011, 07:28:26 AM
D. Wilson will be our best point guard by the end of the year. I already like him more than Blue or Junior. There's no nonsense to him.
Junior had 10 assists last night and you already like the back-up more?
Quote from: 2002MUalum on November 12, 2011, 09:00:02 AM
Junior had 10 assists last night and you already like the back-up more?
Defensively, I like personally liked Wilson last night. Put a lot of fullcourt pressure on #12 last night forcing him to do a lot of dumb things. Very quick at changing direction and staying with his man.
I thought Junior looked a lot more refined from the field with his jumper. The 2 that stuck out were 2 pullups off the dribble at the FT line and at the top of the key. He did attack the rim, which was awesome to see. Real nice way for getting the defense to help out and having Junior kick or dish. There were a few times where I noticed he was looking pass-first, when the simple play was a layup.
That said, I take it all with a grain of salt. It was Mt. St. Mary's. It's the first game. We destroyed them.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 12, 2011, 07:30:22 AM
Jamil Wilson is so athletic, but I was surprised how he didn't step up. He didn't seem to be very aggressive I guess?
Agree to an extent - yet I also feel Jamil is a very selfless player, who is going to let the game come to him - and not force things, just for the sake of forcing things. Some of it is opportunity, with regard to when/where he caught the ball. In last nights game, the offense was working so well in transition, Vander was getting his, Gardner was getting his when not in transition and Jamail Jones putting up a lot of shots - all these guys were on the floor with Jamil Wilson - so just didn't seem to be a lot of shots for him. Jamil did rebound/hustle/scrap on the boards - so not too worried. Think his game might shine more, once the competition stiffens..
Junior had a special assist game. If he played 40, he would have had 17 assists. He did not have a great 1st half shooting, but turned it around in the 2nd. D Wilson looked good on defense, but was so nervous on offense. His first free throw was wicked, but he did have 4 assists in 16 ticks.
Jamil was not in the flow offensively, he took only two shots and had 3 TO's. However, he led the team in rebounding %, and had 5 in 17 minutes. MU needs him in the flow--and really needs his points. First "live" game in a year though.
Mayo was out there chucking, working hard on defense but getting exposed on picks. Typical first game, but he showed flashes.
Juice looked strong, but was launching too early in possessions. Was very encouraged with his overall play, though, showing toughness.
Looks like Buzz will be pressing more. Still to see, what does MU's defense look like against a quality opponent in the half court? MU has the quicks, that is for sure with all the steals and TO's (btw, after that bludgeoning last night, Pomeroy has MU #1 in steal % and in forcing TO's). Our first real test will be against Ole Miss.
Very good crowd I thought. Students were into it.
Quote from: ErickJD08 on November 11, 2011, 10:52:59 PM
I am sorry but I just don't see how blue got his 5 star status. With less PT, Jones looks better and just more comfortable. Blue is still disappointing.
I thought he played fine. He was very actively on defense. I liked him taking the ball to the rim. Overall, a pretty good first game.
I really found the game tough to judge. MSM turned the ball over so much and was so bad (29 turnovers and shot 29%), I struggled to get a sense of how strong MU was but I was really impressed by the whole team. I thought Blue played better in this game than he did at any point last year. I loved the 5 man rotation and the fact that we could run 10 deep. I'm not sure how long that'll keep up, but the longer we can the better. 3 Point shooting left something to be desired, which surprised me a lot considering how big a part of our game this is.
Derrick did look great, his defense was great. He also made some nice passes, but those two free throw attempts show that his jumper will be a work in progress just like Van's. I wanted to see more out of Jamil. He was by far the biggest disappointment to me, had three turnovers in the game. You saw the athleticism on some of those rebounds, but offensively he was not as polished as I had imagined he would be. Jae, DJO, Junior, and Otule...clearly the best looking out there. Jamail was a pleasant surprise but some of his shots were idiotic, Vander was a surprise as well. I really wanted to see Juan play, but unfortunately he made a moronic decision that got him suspended. In the end Todd, and Jamil were the ones that really left me disappointed.
Dwill had a couple of really nice passes early in the game for 3 points but Jones and Mayo just happend to miss them. Jamail was impressive with his aggressiveness and we know his 3 shot will fall. Mayo missed a lot and some of them were pretty poor but he does like someone else said have the look of a really fine player in the future.
Sure we weren't playin' Mount Mary?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 12, 2011, 01:12:39 PM
Sure we weren't playin' Mount Mary?
No...they are on with the Badgers right now. MU's grade school team > Bo's.
Quote from: godzilla on November 11, 2011, 10:39:42 PM
One thing I noticed is that Blue is not a fan favorite among the students, especially the girls.
Elaborate? Can anyone else corroborate this?
I sit in the student section, and i'm pretty sure the "blue" chant was as strong as ever last night...
Quote from: jhags15 on November 12, 2011, 02:30:06 PM
I sit in the student section, and i'm pretty sure the "blue" chant was as strong as ever last night...
Yep, and he got some of the most noise when announced as a starter.
It was great to finally watch Marquette play basketball after a long off-season. I was impressed with the talent and the depth of the team. I enjoyed watching Jones - who looked a little like Oscar Robertson with the flat top. He looks very smooth and very talented. It was good to see him play more aggressively. He has all the tools to be a great player. I watched Jamil Wilson and he looked very good. He played, maybe a bit too unselfishly. Would like to see him go the basket more. Didn't really see his offensive game. Derrick Wilson looked solid. Can't wait to watch tonight's game. GO MARQUETTE!
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on November 12, 2011, 01:30:48 PM
Elaborate? Can anyone else corroborate this?
Just a new poster trying to stir up trouble.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 12, 2011, 10:42:26 AM
Jamil was not in the flow offensively, he took only two shots and had 3 TO's. However, he led the team in rebounding %, and had 5 in 17 minutes. MU needs him in the flow--and really needs his points. First "live" game in a year though.
Jamil's first game reminded me of the 08-09 version Jimmy Butler. He had some nice plays and you could see his potential and athleticism but he generally deferred to the vets on the offensive end. He'll come around before too long.