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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: dw3dw3dw3 on October 30, 2011, 10:01:22 AM
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As an alum, donor, or fan do you say WE when talking about the team?
This was a topic on ESPN radio a couple weeks ago, looking for consensus in the MU community.
I'm not talking about saying "We" as fans need to cheer louder, but more "We" need a stop here, "We" need a top 5 big man, "We" need to play harder...etc....
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I say "She"
- You are madly in love with her
- You crave her outward and inward beauty. She is the only one you sees the same in you.
- But, over time, her minor flaws start to gnaw at you and she nags at you to no end
- About once a month, just when you think you have her figured out, you are taken on an emotional rollercoaster you cannot rationally comprehend
- Often times, she makes you want to take a car ride by yourself in quiet desperation, just to settle down
- When out with the boys, you complain endlessly about her
- Others remind you that you are lucky to have her, which makes you appreciate her more
- She is always interesting, always there when you need her, and fills you with a joy that you have never felt before
- If she is out visiting, you will go to all lengths just to see or hear her
- She is gorgeous, stunning, and sleek at times
- Other times, she is wearing sweat pants, has bed hair, and has a bad headache
- At closing time, it is either heaven's gate or the brickwall
- You miss her when she is gone
- She costs a lot of money
- She is well worth it
- She puts up with you
- She is always there
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I say we. I figure I went to the same school these guys went to, I donate to the program, I'm doing what I can to monitor the team year-round, and I represent the school and team as much and as often as I can.
Besides...I just can't wrap my head around the idea of chanting "They Are...Marquette!"
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I say we. I figure I went to the same school these guys went to, I donate to the program, I'm doing what I can to monitor the team year-round, and I represent the school and team as much and as often as I can.
Besides...I just can't wrap my head around the idea of chanting "They Are...Marquette!"
+100%. As a grad, season-ticket-holder, and donor, how can I not say we.
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I say we. I figure I went to the same school these guys went to, I donate to the program, I'm doing what I can to monitor the team year-round, and I represent the school and team as much and as often as I can.
Besides...I just can't wrap my head around the idea of chanting "They Are...Marquette!"
Of course it is "We!" Like Brew, I'm a grad from 1978 and began supporting the team in the 1960s as a youngster who travelled to road games with my Dad.
I've been a Packers fan since the Lombardi days and growing up where I did, I also am a Cardinals fan. I felt nice when both were world champions this year. But nothing, and I mean nothing, raises the pride and passion in me the way Marquette basketball does. Heck, my college sweetheart found out I was addicted in 1977 when I took her to dinner at 5:30 p.n., so I could make the Arena in time for tipoff despite a heavy snowstorm. We've been married 31 years and she's put up with what she calls a "flaw."
So I am a "we."
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Of course it is "We!" Like Brew, I'm a grad from 1978 and began supporting the team in the 1960s as a youngster who travelled to road games with my Dad.
I've been a Packers fan since the Lombardi days and growing up where I did, I also am a Cardinals fan. I felt nice when both were world champions this year. But nothing, and I mean nothing, raises the pride and passion in me the way Marquette basketball does. Heck, my college sweetheart found out I was addicted in 1977 when I took her to dinner at 5:30 p.n., so I could make the Arena in time for tipoff despite a heavy snowstorm. We've been married 31 years and she's put up with what she calls a "flaw."So I am a "we."[/color]
My wife of 28 years says the same thing. They just don't understand... ;)
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If the team is doing well, it's "we".
If they aren't, it's "they". ;)
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I try not to, but sometimes, when typing too fast or too angrily, I do refer to the MU mens basketball team as 'we'.
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+100%. As a grad, season-ticket-holder, and donor, how can I not say we.
Because you aren't on the team?? I am a season ticket holder as well, and I am very conscious of not saying "we" in reference to the team. I don't play for them, I cheer loud as hell and am as intense fan as you will find, but I still don't feel like that warrants a "we".
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We are Marquette!
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We are Marquette!
Right, but we are NOT the basketball team. And that's what we are talking about here.
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Right, but we are NOT the basketball team. And that's what we are talking about here.
I understand that for a pro team, but I think it's completely different for a college or high school team. When I was in high school, I ran cross country. So because I was on that team and not the football team, would it have been inappropriate for me to say "we" when talking about that team? I think that's ridiculous.
As an alum or student, you are an extension of the school. The sports teams are also made up of students (and past teams of alums) and those teams are an extension of the school as well. We have (or have had) classes with these people, share elevators, and our patronage makes what they do possible.
Without players, we don't have a team. But without donors, we also don't have a team. Just because I'm not on the court doesn't make the relationship between the two any less of a we.
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I HATE it when people in this part of the world refer to their Brewer, Packer and Rodent fandom as we. Need to be consistent with myself when talking about MU. The one area I think it is arguable is with college sports if you attended the university, but everyone around here is a we when talking about the Rodents, even though none of them attended.
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I understand that for a pro team, but I think it's completely different for a college or high school team. When I was in high school, I ran cross country. So because I was on that team and not the football team, would it have been inappropriate for me to say "we" when talking about that team? I think that's ridiculous.
As an alum or student, you are an extension of the school. The sports teams are also made up of students (and past teams of alums) and those teams are an extension of the school as well. We have (or have had) classes with these people, share elevators, and our patronage makes what they do possible.
Without players, we don't have a team. But without donors, we also don't have a team. Just because I'm not on the court doesn't make the relationship between the two any less of a we.
Ok, so what about someone like me, that didn't attend MU, but am just a season ticket holder?? I don't feel like that gives me the right to use "we".
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Because you aren't on the team?? I am a season ticket holder as well, and I am very conscious of not saying "we" in reference to the team. I don't play for them, I cheer loud as hell and am as intense fan as you will find, but I still don't feel like that warrants a "we".
My dad took me to games in te late 50s and I was a frosh at MU in Al's first year at MU and I went to any Friday and Saturday nite practices at the OldGym and am a long-time season ticket holder, I was at the Omni in Atlanta for MU's NCAA championship, and have been thru thick and thin thru the years. It all warrants a "W"....... ;)
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Ok, so what about someone like me, that didn't attend MU, but am just a season ticket holder?? I don't feel like that gives me the right to use "we".
I guess it's your call on that. I think if you support the Blue & Gold Fund or boost in other ways, that's a fair reason. If it's just a season ticket-holder, I can see feeling differently. I know I'll continue to say "we", and I feel like a "we".
Either way, without us, the STH's, the boosters, and the student body, there is no them.
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Marquette is the only time I use "we."
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I use "we" with all my favorite teams. I don't think anyone will ever confuse me for a college/professional athlete, so I don't feel like I'm taking credit for anyone else's work.
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For me, I try to stay consistent with "they".
Though I admit, in conversation with other MU fans, if they use "we" I'll slip into it.
But ultimately for me, the team, its coaches, staff and student athletes deserve the credit for success, (and sometimes the blame for failures). I find it a lot easier to praise and critique if I maintain that distinction.
((I'm now praying that a review of my posting history reveals that my self-perception is valid)).
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I'm not on the team so I say, "they."
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I know there's a distinction here that has something to do with direct objects, dangling participles, infinitives, or those other 7th grade English terms that none of us except English majors remember. But since we're not being technical, this is how I think I'd explain it...
1. When referring to the MU basketball team as part of the institution, the use of "we" is appropriate if you are a stakeholder of the institution (student, alum, donor, employee, etc.)
-"I think we are going to have a good team this year."
2. When referring to the MU basketball team in general, the use of "we" is colloquially acceptable by a stakeholder especially in a discussion amongst non-stakeholders.
-"Listen you Johnnie hotshot, you might think God's Gift is God's gift to Steve Lavin, but we are going to pummel you on January 11th."
3. When referring to specifics relating to the MU basketball team, the use of "we" is incorrect unless you are actually a member of the team.
-"If we shoot 60% [as a team] from the floor, I'd be happy."
With that all said... saying "who do we play next weekend" seems appropriate, but according to #3 it wouldn't be. This is why I hated English class... common sense had no place in that room.
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Benny, your # 3 is technically correct for written formal English, but for spoke or colloquial usage, I would stil use "We".... :) As in "we" shot 60%. Hard to call my alma mammy "they".
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In regard to recent headlines in the Trib do you say, "we" allegedly sexually assaulted a female student?
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I believe this is an element in psychology. Fans of a particular group want to feel like they are a part of the group so they use "we" in describing the achievements to make themselves seem closer to the group. Unfortunately, we tend to distance ourselves when things go badly. Next time you are following a team that you love (like MU), see how many times you say "we" when referring to good things. How many times do you say "they" when things go bad?
As in, "We played great in that win!" vs "They really lost their composure out there."
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In regard to recent headlines in the Trib do you say, "we" allegedly sexually assaulted a female student?
Ha!
I'm on board with you, Shoe. Since I have no effect on the outcome of Marquette games, it would be ridiculous (IMO) for me to say that "we" won or lost.
I also don't refer to my high school's current football and basketball teams as "we" despite the fact that I was once a member of those teams. I consider that a significantly closer to connection to a team than being only an alum and a fan.
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This topic has always brought out the grumpy old (well, middle-aged) man in me. I have never been a member of the MU basketball team, and never received a paycheck from the Green Bay Packers or Chicago Cubs, so I do not refer to any of these teams as "we", even though I spend what many might consider an unhealthy amount of time following each of them. I have to admit, it bugs me hearing fans using "we".
I think it stems from my pure contempt for fair weather fans in general. When ever I hear, "we" I almost assume the person has just started following the given team. For example, sitting at a high school football game the night of the Brewers won the NLDS, there was a group of adult Brewer "fans" sitting behind me. The male of the group was giving updates from his smart phone, while one of the women of the group was saying, "oh, I have been excited all day for the Brewer game, I hope we win...". When the guy informs the group that the Brewers had gone to extra innings and then they had a walk-off hit, the "we" woman says, so how many more outs do they have? If you don't even know the terminology of a sport, you are not allowed to use "we".
If I know someone has been a fan their whole life, I reluctantly give them a pass in my mind.
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When somebody says, "we" I don't want to be associated with them.
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When referring to my high school or MU, it's we. However, that's during a game ("we need a stop" or "we need a hoop"). Otherwise, I'm squarely in the camp of those who say, I'm not on the team so it's not "we". When it comes to pro sports, it's NEVER "we".
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When referring to my high school or MU, it's we. However, that's during a game ("we need a stop" or "we need a hoop"). Otherwise, I'm squarely in the camp of those who say, I'm not on the team so it's not "we". When it comes to pro sports, it's NEVER "we".
Not only does the team need a stop/hoop, but that fans do as well to help with the pysches and their enjoyment of the game. That's a fair use of "we" in my book!
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I don't understand why people get mad about people saying 'we', 'pin number', 'shuttle pass' or 'I could care less.
English has been a living language. People have been 'murdering' it for thousands of years.
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When people refer to the pro teams they root for as "we" I think it's fair to ask them what position they play. I'll give an exemption for a high school or college team if you're an alum who lives and dies with them. For those with multiple alma maters, pick one - polygamy is still illegal.
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When referring to my high school or MU, it's we. However, that's during a game ("we need a stop" or "we need a hoop"). Otherwise, I'm squarely in the camp of those who say, I'm not on the team so it's not "we". When it comes to pro sports, it's NEVER "we".
Now if you're a shareholder/owner of the Packers (or any pro franchise I suppose), I think it's technically correct to use "we" in the same way that a Ted Thompson or Mike McCarthy-type would... but then, since Packer stock is strictly a novelty (unless you're one of the original shareholders), common sense in what may be technically correct is cast aside since the shareholder's effective "ownership" of the team is no greater than someone who attended UW-Parkside claiming they have "ownership" in Buckytown just because the first two letters of their schools match. (Sort of similar to how Missouri wants to be a part of Marquette by repeatedly calling themselves MU despite the fact that we own the mu.edu domain, haha.)
However, didn't Crean spout off about "taking ownership" in this team circa 2004?
This is a thread that might never end.
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This is a thread that might never end.
You're either on the team or you're not. It seems pretty clear to me.
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You're either on the team or you're not. It seems pretty clear to me.
then i am.
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then i am.
Let the record state that MUBurrow is either a player or coach. All I needed to know.
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boom. where all my inside information comes from. I'm on the iphone during water breaks.
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Pet peeve of mine when people say we. I know that I say it but I try not to. "We" don't play for the team. with marquette it's a bit different because "we" went to the school, so I think it bothers me more when people do it when referring to pro-teams. Either way I try not to say it
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Pet peeve of mine when people say we. I know that I say it but I try not to. "We" don't play for the team. with marquette it's a bit different because "we" went to the school, so I think it bothers me more when people do it when referring to pro-teams. Either way I try not to say it
I helped fund that team... so I think we can say we. :)
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I helped fund that team... so I think we can say we. :)
Same goes for anyone that has ever purchased a ticket to a game. Still think it is a stretch. Does that mean you also fund other programs via revenue sharing by watching games on tv?
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Same goes for anyone that has ever purchased a ticket to a game. Still think it is a stretch. Does that mean you also fund other programs via revenue sharing by watching games on tv?
Fair point. I'd say my contribution was more direct, though.
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Are you serious man? You don't have the right?
I'll go out on a limb and say you aren't going to be sued over calling MU "We".
Go ahead and give yourself permission to say "We"....its ok...really it is.
As for me.....sometimes I say We and sometimes I don't.....I didn't go to MU but am a season ticket holder and a long time fan.
Ok, so what about someone like me, that didn't attend MU, but am just a season ticket holder"w?? I don't feel like that gives me the right to use "We".
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We're either on the team or we're not. It seems pretty clear to us.
Oh wait...
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http://youtu.be/xN1WN0YMWZU
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Ugh, oh well. A good funny take on it.
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I like to think I'm not that unbearable about it, but I guess I just don't get how you can be nervously watching a game with your best mu fans, be on the edge of your seat all game, then towards the end of the game look over and say "They really need a stop."
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It never bothers me when it comes to college sports and people's affiliations, but when its a ridiculously tenuous connection to the school or a pro team, it bothers the hell out of me. A roommate of mine in college, who grew up in Cincinnati, was a huge Eagles fan because he liked Donovan McNabb and was also an obnoxious Florida football and basketball fan because, wait for it, his uncle taught there for 2 years when my roommate was a 13-14. And between those 3 teams, he uses "we" more than all my friends and their respective schools combined, and it annoys me to no end.
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Pet peeve of mine when people say we. I know that I say it but I try not to. "We" don't play for the team. with marquette it's a bit different because "we" went to the school, so I think it bothers me more when people do it when referring to pro-teams. Either way I try not to say it
Pet peeve is when people complain that I say "we" when talking about my sports teams - pro, college or high school.
I think this subject comes down to this. If you say "we" you don't care if someone says "we", "they", "them" or "those". If you don't say "we", you come unglued and get on your soap box constantly complaining about the use of "we".
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Because I am currently a student at Marquette I use "We" when talking about Marquette basketball. However If I am talking about my favorite professional team I don't use "We" I will use "They". I feel like because I am very affiliated with Marquette it is okay if i say "we". Also I'm not on of those people who are bothered when fans say "we", ...who cares?
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Z F-B prefers the 3rd person.
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Z F-B prefers the 3rd person.
You and Murf are like two peas in a pod.
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Z F-B prefers the 3rd person.
MUMac doesn't like it when people refernce themselves in the 3rd party. MUMac thinks Z F-B is simply trying to channel his inner murff with this comment. MUMac is skeptical, though, that Z F-B really means this. MUMac demands proof.