Big East plans to invite six
After what was described as two days of acrimonious conference calls in which the Big East's non-FBS members seriously considered the option of splitting from their football brethren, all the schools are on the same chapter, if not the same page, sources said.
The first order of business is for the Big East to agree to raise the exit fee from $5 million to $10 million for the FBS members. The exit fee for non-FBS members, such as St. John's and Seton Hall, would remain at $5 million. There could, however, be some shortening of the 27-month exit window, the source said.
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Air Force, Boise St, Navy, Central Florida? Last two spots b/t Temple, Houston & SMU. Call me unimpressed, I just do not get the affinity to invite the service academies, or Boise, Idaho.
CUSA revisited.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on October 14, 2011, 01:44:45 PM
CUSA revisited.
Without Memphis too, this league needs to get some basketball swagger back.
Well...whatever if they are only playing football hopefully.
Quote from: Aughnanure on October 14, 2011, 01:46:16 PM
Without Memphis too, this league needs to get some basketball swagger back.
Still a pretty solid bball league. UCONN, Ville, Nova, GTWN, ND, Cinn and MU. I am ok with that.
10mm exit fee still low.
To get Boise, AFA, Navy, CFU, and Houston, SMU, would be a Big Boost for football. One thing to remember is the Big East was almost getting to strong in BBALL? Last year 11 teams into the tournament but that is pretty unlikley (I think 8-9 is more what we will see) and you have Rutger's, and Prov also making moves upward. That really only leaves Depaul, Seton Hall and USF as none top 50 type teams. That would mean most years you would have 4-5 NCAA quality teams that were not going to make the NCAA.
Quote from: kmwtrucks on October 14, 2011, 02:00:43 PM
To get Boise, AFA, Navy, CFU, and Houston, SMU, would be a Big Boost for football. One thing to remember is the Big East was almost getting to strong in BBALL? Last year 11 teams into the tournament but that is pretty unlikley (I think 8-9 is more what we will see) and you have Rutger's, and Prov also making moves upward. That really only leaves Depaul, Seton Hall and USF as none top 50 type teams. That would mean most years you would have 4-5 NCAA quality teams that were not going to make the NCAA.
A big boost? Kinda. I mean Houston has been decent past few years, and Boise of course has been at the top. But the rest? Also, I still doubt Boise. They have to play one great game a year, and they're really good at getting up for it. But past that game they play no one even close to their level. I highly doubt we will be able to count on them to be a consistent top 15 team once they get a few years into the league.
I would rather have had SMU, Houston, Memphis, Temple, UCF and one of Tulane/Rice/UMass.
What's not to like about this deal.
Big East football gets the best non AQ team in Boise St. plus 3 teams in talent rich Florida and Texas. While the service academies also make it very difficult for the powers at be to strip the AQ status come 2013. It also keeps ND squarely aligned with the Big East.
Baskeball wise we get 3 lower class teams in Big Markets (Dallas, Houston, Orlando), while maintaining no overlap in TV markets(Temple). Plus it will be much easier to finish in the top half of a league that is still going to be considered in the top 3-4 leaugues in the county. Is it just me or does the idea of having to play SMU and UCF instead of Memphis and Temple sound much more appealing, especially when we need a few W's to get off the bubble.
Finally this is HUGE for Buzz. Now he can go after talent in Houston and Dallas with an even stronger hand.
The exit fee is really secondary to forfeiture of television rights. If you pay $10M or $15M, does it really matter when your new TV deal pays you $18M per year? Of course, if you have to give that back to the Big East for your first 7 years in your new conference, well there's a real detractor.
This won't stop the football schools from leaving if offered.
Quote from: Aughnanure on October 14, 2011, 02:14:02 PM
A big boost? Kinda. I mean Houston has been decent past few years, and Boise of course has been at the top. But the rest? Also, I still doubt Boise. They have to play one great game a year, and they're really good at getting up for it. But past that game they play no one even close to their level. I highly doubt we will be able to count on them to be a consistent top 15 team once they get a few years into the league.
I would rather have had SMU, Houston, Memphis, Temple, UCF and one of Tulane/Rice/UMass.
A big boost ...ya... Syracuse is terrible in football they won a few more games last year but there for a few years were only winning a couple year. remeber the embarrssmant when Syracuse was like 0-7 and beat ND? Pittsburgh is mediocre too 7-5 or so every year. The ffotball schools they are adding are better.
Also Boise state is legit. Apart from the SEC and Big 12 who else has to get up for more than a few games a year? Also, Boise has to get up for more than 1...they typically play a top 10 team early and then in a Bowl. And they have typically won both of those games look a what they did to a pretty good UGA team this year. Then they go win there conference by 50 points agame. They are legit.
Big football boost ...not that I care but if it keeps the BE together then it is good for MU. the bball wont be as crazy as it was but it will still be really really good and dont discount the ability to these new basketball schools to elevate their programs by inclusion, it has happened for every other team that has joined the BE....except depaul.
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I'll buy Boise when they actually have to play a real schedule with other solid teams. I don't hate them, I just think people preaching that they are legit just because they play one tough game a year, plus a bowl, are getting a bid ahead of themselves. And no, the Big 10, Pac 12 teams have to get up for more than one game a year. Seriously? They haven't even started their MWC schedule yet. So they've made a name for themselves by playing down big programs, Va Tech, Georgia, and then beating up on Idaho, San Jose State, New Mexico St.
Don't get me wrong, they will compete and win, but they will not be the powerhouse they are now. The same went for TCU. When you have to play other solid programs week and week out it is different.
Honestly though, I am not sure what is better...the new BE or the MWC...when it comes to football. Boise will dominate this league at least in the short term.
The thing they may struggle with is early kickoffs in the east coast on a Saturday morning.
Quote from: Buzz Williams' Spillproof Chiclets Cup on October 14, 2011, 02:33:24 PM
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Which future Congressman is that?
i'm ok with this. assuming air force, navy and boise st. are football only, i still hope we invite xavier, butler and/or dayton as well to keep the basketball cachet of the big east and further protect the basketball schools.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on October 14, 2011, 01:44:45 PM
CUSA revisited.
Yeah, that has been said a thousand times already. We get it. Its CUSA, except with Georgetown, Villanova, ND, West Virginia,and UConn. That does seem just like CUSA.
NOT A FAN OF THIS AT ALL...Terrible decision on part of basketball schools to allow this to go forward. I will be SHOCKED if a $10M exit fee is enough to dissuade WVU, UCONN, LVILLE or CINCY for the Big 12, SEC, ACC....
My prediction is that the above teams will be gone within 2 years of this deal being signed/agreed to - and then you will have SMU, Houston and UCF in your conference...none of whom would be in a basketball only Big East.
Furthermore, I tend to think it HURTS Buzz recruiting Texas if schools in Dallas and Houston can now offer Big East play/Madison Square Garden conference tourney, etc.....as its been, there has been no way for Texas kids to play in the Big Apple consistently....now there is.
Its still just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
Its by far the worst AQ football conference (while it lasts) and most of the football membership are just waiting to leave.
Its sort of annoying. The split is going to happen. All of this is just pointless.
Quote from: Zephyr820 on October 14, 2011, 05:00:59 PM
Its still just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
Its by far the worst AQ football conference (while it lasts) and most of the football membership are just waiting to leave.
Its sort of annoying. The split is going to happen. All of this is just pointless.
Why are we're going through some silly kabuki dance to buy time for UCONN, West Virginia, Louisville and Rutgers in their quest for greener pastures? I'll be as shocked by the Big East breakup as I'll be by a default in Greece. I guess we'll share in some $ when the rats leave the sinking ship, but I hate the idea of providing a home for a spouse who's out in the clubs every night hitting on anyone even remotely interested.
If they agree to 10m and little else then the bball schools are stupid stupid and should learn how to negotiate. They will lose their power and this will fall apart in another year
Quote from: Ners on October 14, 2011, 04:18:07 PM
Furthermore, I tend to think it HURTS Buzz recruiting Texas if schools in Dallas and Houston can now offer Big East play/Madison Square Garden conference tourney, etc.....as its been, there has been no way for Texas kids to play in the Big Apple consistently....now there is.
Agree.
I thought I read somewhere (maybe the Boston Globe) that Louisville was not going to participate in the meeting and abstain from voting. If the bball schools have the votes to increase the exit fee, do the fball schools all just find new homes (even if it means CUSA)? Sure, the BE has AQ status...but they wont if nobody sticks around since the conference wont be in compliance with BCS bylaws. Its so frustrating to read about the latest developments. Back-track to when BC left and read their comments as the left the conference. They said the hybrid model didnt work and it was impossible to agree on anything....and this is coming from a private, Jesuit school that was certainly aligned with its peers as a member of the BE conference. Now, it is being reported that there is no middle ground between the football schools and the non-football schools. Heard that before....in 2003....and 1990. So the BE can survive as a hybrid of fball-only schools, bball-only schools and full-time members? Over/under on how long this conference survives is 3 years (when Pitt and Cuse leave). I think its nuts for either side to flex its muscles because its clear that both sides actually need each other to flourish....yet there seems to be no willingness to collaborate. Gtown sells bball tickets on groupon. Seton Hall University is in financial trouble (nevermind the athletic department). DePaul alums/students dont care about DePaul. Providence is virtually meaningless. I dont believe that a bball-only conference will be a good thing....and who is going to buy all the MSG tickets for the conference tournament?
Quote from: muhs03 on October 14, 2011, 09:54:08 PM
I thought I read somewhere (maybe the Boston Globe) that Louisville was not going to participate in the meeting and abstain from voting. If the bball schools have the votes to increase the exit fee, do the fball schools all just find new homes (even if it means CUSA)? Sure, the BE has AQ status...but they wont if nobody sticks around since the conference wont be in compliance with BCS bylaws. Its so frustrating to read about the latest developments. Back-track to when BC left and read their comments as the left the conference. They said the hybrid model didnt work and it was impossible to agree on anything....and this is coming from a private, Jesuit school that was certainly aligned with its peers as a member of the BE conference. Now, it is being reported that there is no middle ground between the football schools and the non-football schools. Heard that before....in 2003....and 1990. So the BE can survive as a hybrid of fball-only schools, bball-only schools and full-time members? Over/under on how long this conference survives is 3 years (when Pitt and Cuse leave). I think its nuts for either side to flex its muscles because its clear that both sides actually need each other to flourish....yet there seems to be no willingness to collaborate. Gtown sells bball tickets on groupon. Seton Hall University is in financial trouble (nevermind the athletic department). DePaul alums/students dont care about DePaul. Providence is virtually meaningless. I dont believe that a bball-only conference will be a good thing....and who is going to buy all the MSG tickets for the conference tournament?
Yeah - what will we ever do without Syracuse?? Surely an improved St. John's program, Villanova, a strong Georgetown and Marquette program, and perhaps a Xavier - would have LOTS of challenges selling tickets for the Big East tourney in MSG.
Quote from: Ners on October 15, 2011, 09:08:27 AM
Yeah - what will we ever do without Syracuse?? Surely an improved St. John's program, Villanova, a strong Georgetown and Marquette program, and perhaps a Xavier - would have LOTS of challenges selling tickets for the Big East tourney in MSG.
The Cuse travels huge. They buy thousands of tix. We buy several hundred. To think losing Cuse will not have an impact at MSG is downright foolish.
Quote from: 79Warrior on October 15, 2011, 10:03:36 AM
The Cuse travels huge. They buy thousands of tix. We buy several hundred. To think losing Cuse will not have an impact at MSG is downright foolish.
I am aware of this...but what happens when Cuse gets bounced in the early rounds of the Big East tourney?? Would a final/semi-final of St. John's/GTown, MU/Villanova - not be well attended? Obviously a school that is located in the state of the tournament site - will draw a lot of fans, and CUSE basketball fans are a rabid bunch...but...
once Boeheim retires....who's to say Cuse will continue on being a strong basketball program?? We've seen what's happened at IU after Bobby Knight left.
Yeah...They got to the ncaa finals.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on October 15, 2011, 10:25:25 AM
Yeah...They got to the ncaa finals.
Yeah - and Mike Davis really carried the torch well thereafter, right Sultan? Clearly, he was able to get it done with his own players and not Knights, right?
Ners...Kansas, North Carolina, Kentucky, UCLA...all iconic programs that have survived their "alpha" coach retiring. No reason to think that Syracuse won't.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on October 15, 2011, 02:27:06 PM
Ners...Kansas, North Carolina, Kentucky, UCLA...all iconic programs that have survived their "alpha" coach retiring. No reason to think that Syracuse won't.
Yeah - because some of those programs were able to go out and get alpha coaches again - not sure that Syracuse is on the level of a UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, UCLA - certainly not as attractive of place to recruit a coach to as Raleigh Durham, Lexington, Los Angeles/Westwood...
Could easily see CUSE going the route of an Indiana once Boheim is gone...particularily if Lavin gets St. John's turned around - the NYC pipeline to CUSE won't be quite as populated...
Quote from: Ners on October 15, 2011, 06:18:11 PM
Yeah - because some of those programs were able to go out and get alpha coaches again - not sure that Syracuse is on the level of a UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, UCLA - certainly not as attractive of place to recruit a coach to as Raleigh Durham, Lexington, Los Angeles/Westwood...
Could easily see CUSE going the route of an Indiana once Boheim is gone...particularily if Lavin gets St. John's turned around - the NYC pipeline to CUSE won't be quite as populated...
I agree... Not with Indiana... but they will decline significantly.
Syracuse isn't in the same category as the others.