Expansion invites on the docket...Temple, ECU, CFla...too little, too late?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/07/sports/ncaafootball/big-east-presidents-to-discuss-possible-new-members.html?_r=1&ref=sports
Holy sh*t, just form a basketball conference now, that would be terrible.
I completely agree, its clear the Big East is playing the violin on the deck while all of the other conferences are filling up their boats.
Basketball league.
Maybe we should bolt for the Horizon League while the gettin' is good?
Temple and UCF I could handle. But ECU does absolutely nothing and would be a huge mistake. I hope they look at the service academies for football only before bringing in ECU.
Why not Memphis?
Temple, UCF are the best shouts. I could see Memphis. I know the academics and the dirty history (even without Cal, I don't trust their boosters) but it might be time to just invite them. I'd like Southern Miss as a candidate too. Definitely over ECU.
I think it would be interesting if the MU, louisville, Nova, & Gtown got together and tried to sell their basketball prowess to the big12 or 10 for admittance as bball only schools... Would instantly make either of those conferences as good as ACC.
I'm not thrilled with ECU either, but Southern Miss? East Carolina has nearly 30,000 students and is at least close to the conferences geographical footprint. Southern Miss is completely out of the way and about 18,000 students. Neither is that great in basketball.
Quote from: universitypark on October 07, 2011, 07:34:06 AM
I think it would be interesting if the MU, louisville, Nova, & Gtown got together and tried to sell their basketball prowess to the big12 or 10 for admittance as bball only schools... Would instantly make either of those conferences as good as ACC.
Let me make this as clear as possible. This will never happen. The B10, or any other BCS conference, isn't going to take members that don't play football. These conference are run by smart individuals. They see what happens in the BE...how the basketball members have different priorities than the football members. They can see the instability. They are not going to replicate that.
This is also why I think the bball members are better served ditching the BE right now.
Quote from: Andrew Siciliano's Ear on October 07, 2011, 01:01:33 AM
I completely agree, its clear the Big East is playing the violin on the deck while all of the other conferences are filling up their boats.
Basketball league.
There's no chance this conference keeps AQ status with another departure (there'll be some), so that may not happen today but it's inevidible
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on October 07, 2011, 07:56:37 AM
I'm not thrilled with ECU either, but Southern Miss? East Carolina has nearly 30,000 students and is at least close to the conferences geographical footprint. Southern Miss is completely out of the way and about 18,000 students. Neither is that great in basketball.
Let me make this as clear as possible. This will never happen. The B10, or any other BCS conference, isn't going to take members that don't play football. These conference are run by smart individuals. They see what happens in the BE...how the basketball members have different priorities than the football members. They can see the instability. They are not going to replicate that.
This is also why I think the bball members are better served ditching the BE right now.
I am honestly surprised that the ACC wouldn't grab Georgetown, football or not. They're the best ranked Catholic school in the country (better than ND, last I checked). They're in the fastest growing metropolitan area in the country. Their alumni are incredibly wealthy and tied into the government class of Washington, DC. I would think that they could make football work more so than Boston College (just due to the wealth of their alumni, which I am guessing is greater) if they wanted to add a team.
ACC is grabbing large television markets, plain and simple. No matter how many of our schools team up, unless we form a basketball league and try to sell the television rights to that we are in trouble.
Viva Basketball League!
I agree. A basketball only conference must be formed now. This same sh*t is going to happen over and over again. The only way we can have some stability and peace is to form all bball league.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 07, 2011, 04:55:36 AM
Maybe we should bolt for the Horizon League while the gettin' is good?
Lol.
Cowherd was just discussing the conferences..."Big 12 shaky on life support but will survive....Big East is dead."
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on October 07, 2011, 11:33:14 AM
Cowherd was just discussing the conferences..."Big 12 shaky on life support but will survive....Big East is dead [as a football conference]."
With that change, I'd say that the sooner everyone realizes this, the better it will be for Marquette.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 07, 2011, 04:55:36 AM
Maybe we should bolt for the Horizon League while the gettin' is good?
Yeah, we could look forward to annual road trips to various dying American cities.
If UConn, Louisville, Cincy, or West Virginia didn't get a major conference invite, would anybody not want them in a basketball-only Big East with their football parked elsewhere? If we jettison them because they have football, why aren't we jettisoning Notre Dame, too?
Basketball-only will always be an option. It is probably an inevitability. But when it comes, wouldn't we want a UConn, WVU, or Louisville if they didn't have a better option?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 07, 2011, 04:55:36 AM
Maybe we should bolt for the Horizon League while the gettin' is good?
You forget the teal?
We will do much better than the Horizon.
How important is Marquette to the Big East from the perspective of Georgetown, 'nova, and the other east coast members? If it were that the Big east disolved and members scambled for membership elsewhere, is Marquette included in others' conversations? I keep reading "Georgetown, Villanova, Louisville, Marquette..." but is that the talk elsewhere, too? We have a deservedly high opnion of our program, but that does not necessarily stand up in a popularity contest.
Quote from: MUFC9295 on October 07, 2011, 12:45:06 PM
How important is Marquette to the Big East from the perspective of Georgetown, 'nova, and the other east coast members? If it were that the Big east disolved and members scambled for membership elsewhere, is Marquette included in others' conversations? I keep reading "Georgetown, Villanova, Louisville, Marquette..." but is that the talk elsewhere, too? We have a deservedly high opnion of our program, but that does not necessarily stand up in a popularity contest.
If the conversation is to start a bball only conference then absolutely those schools will want Marquette in the discussion.
Quote from: MUFC9295 on October 07, 2011, 12:45:06 PMHow important is Marquette to the Big East from the perspective of Georgetown, 'nova, and the other east coast members? If it were that the Big east disolved and members scambled for membership elsewhere, is Marquette included in others' conversations? I keep reading "Georgetown, Villanova, Louisville, Marquette..." but is that the talk elsewhere, too? We have a deservedly high opnion of our program, but that does not necessarily stand up in a popularity contest.
If it gets to basketball-only, we will almost certainly be part of it. The teams involved will want an automatic qualifier to the NCAA tournament. Take away Marquette and the football schools and you likely lose that bid.
To get an automatic bid, you must have at least 7 teams that have played in the same league together for 8 consecutive years. Right now, the 7 teams would seem to be Georgetown, Villanova, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John's, Marquette, DePaul, and possibly Notre Dame as an 8th. Together we would reach 8 consecutive years after the 2012-13 season. That's only one year beyond this upcoming season. We are virtually assured of being part of that potential conference.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on October 07, 2011, 04:55:36 AM
while the gettin' is good?
One of the most under appreciated sayings of all time. Hilarious.
October 7, 2011, 5:17 pm
Big East Talking About the Future
By PETE THAMEL
The presidents of the universities in the Big East Conference participated in an hour-long conference call Friday morning, but no immediate decisions were made about the future of the league. A league official with direct knowledge of the call said that invitations to potential new members would be handed out soon, perhaps as early as next week.
Little has changed in terms of the universities the Big East is targeting, with Navy, Air Force, Temple, Central Florida and East Carolina the main candidates. No final determinations have been made over which will be invited to join or when they would be approached. A small portion of the conversation Friday revolved around the issue of how much the league's exit fee should be, a tricky topic as it now has just six universities that play at the Football Bowl Subdivision level, and some of them are contemplating leaving.
While there remains pessimism about the future Big East football, people around the league said they were optimistic that the conference could keep its Bowl Championship Series bid. The Big East has an automatic bid in the B.C.S. through the 2013 season.
http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/07/big-east-talking-about-the-future/?ref=sports
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 08, 2011, 05:26:35 AM
If it gets to basketball-only, we will almost certainly be part of it. The teams involved will want an automatic qualifier to the NCAA tournament. Take away Marquette and the football schools and you likely lose that bid.
To get an automatic bid, you must have at least 7 teams that have played in the same league together for 8 consecutive years. Right now, the 7 teams would seem to be Georgetown, Villanova, Providence, Seton Hall, St. John's, Marquette, DePaul, and possibly Notre Dame as an 8th. Together we would reach 8 consecutive years after the 2012-13 season. That's only one year beyond this upcoming season. We are virtually assured of being part of that potential conference.
It does not matter if they join another conference. For example Georgetown and Villanova could join the A10 and if those are the only two they will add, we are screwed.
Quote from: bilsu on October 08, 2011, 11:34:59 AMIt does not matter if they join another conference. For example Georgetown and Villanova could join the A10 and if those are the only two they will add, we are screwed.
Fair point, but I would be surprised. I think Georgetown and Villanova would much rather retain the Big East name and add from outside than jump into the A-10. I think Xavier, Butler, Dayton, etc are far more likely to end up in a basketball-only Big East than to see us all join current mid-major conferences. Just my opinion.