If we were to merge with the Big 12 leftovers, is there any chance UConn and Rutgers would stay?
You could argue the Big East would be better in both football and basketball if we only lost Pitt and Cuse. Kansas, Kansas State, and Missouri more than make up for losing Pitt and Cuse in my mind.
I think if you are UConn and Rutgers, it at least makes you think. It would be very good if Texas and OK make their decision ASAP. At least then we have a shot at adding the leftovers and making that pitch to UConn and rutgers. While not geographically great obviously, that would probably be a better conference in football AND basketball.
This is the dream scenario for sure (as long as they keep the basketball-onlies in that case). Kansas is a good football school to have on our side, as they couldn't care less about football.
If I am counting properly, there would be 20 basketball teams and 12 football right?
Basketball could play everyone once and rotate location each year. Football would have 12 teams and could have a championship game.
Basketball (8):
Marquette
Georgetown
Villanova
Notre Dame
Saint John's
Seton Hall
Providence
DePaul
Football (12):
West Virginia
Rutgers
Louisville
Cincinnati
TCU
Iowa State
Kansas
Kansas State
Missouri
Baylor
South Florida
UConn
Uconn and rutgers would jump to the ACC even if the other's came. Because they know that if Baylor Kansas, Kansas st Iowa st got offer's from the ACC, Big Ten or Sec they would all go in a heart beat. That is also true with Ville and S Fl, TCU, W Virg ETC. At the end of the day the only way Big East stays alive is if the Big Ten stays at 12, the SEC stays at 13 (or more likely 14) and the ACC stays at 14. That would leave about 10-12 good programs left. The good part is the Big Ten does not sound like they want to get bigger and the SEC does not like any of the 10 or so programs left. I think the SEC thought they could take a ACC team but with the 20Mil buyout that seems unlikely.
UConn and Rutgers would jump at the ACC because of the $$$ and the stability.
And the SEC might not be detered by the $20M buy-out. If the school they want is in the ACC, they just might split it with them. They have enough $$$.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 20, 2011, 08:57:47 AM
If we were to merge with the Big 12 leftovers, is there any chance UConn and Rutgers would stay?
You could argue the Big East would be better in both football and basketball if we only lost Pitt and Cuse. Kansas, Kansas State, and Missouri more than make up for losing Pitt and Cuse in my mind.
I'm reading that there is still some bad blood between BC & UConn from 2003 and they might block accepting UConn because they "want New England to themselves". (BC even just lost a big local football recruit to UConn.) I haven't seen anything mentioned anywhere yet, but I know Connecticut would not want to loose the Big East Woman's Tournament in Hartford. (I know.....It's women's basketball, but it means something here.) Supposedly the new UConn president (they coincidently have an interm AD too) is pushing for the ACC because her last job was as a Vice Chancellor at Georgia Tech. So who knows?
UConn and Rutgers wouldn't walk, they would sprint to the Big 10/ACC if offered.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on September 20, 2011, 09:23:26 AM
UConn and Rutgers would jump at the ACC because of the $$$ and the stability.
I understand the ACC would have better stability with all football schools but is the money that much more in the ACC? Who wants to watch ACC football?
This says $1.86 billion over 12 years. That equals out to about $11 million annually for each school. The last BE contract was about $4 million for each football school with the hopes of doubling that in the next round of negotiations.
http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/05/the-accs-new-tv-contract-and-its-big-12.html
If the B10 could manage to snap up Texas and Rutgers out of all of this they have one hell of a conference, and massive revenue potential.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 20, 2011, 08:57:47 AM
If we were to merge with the Big 12 leftovers, is there any chance UConn and Rutgers would stay?
You could argue the Big East would be better in both football and basketball if we only lost Pitt and Cuse. Kansas, Kansas State, and Missouri more than make up for losing Pitt and Cuse in my mind.
UCONN wants out. They are lobbying actively, including have calhoun making phone calls.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on September 20, 2011, 09:51:04 AM
If the B10 could manage to snap up Texas and Notre Dame out of all of this they have one hell of a conference, and massive revenue potential.
Corrected it for you.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on September 20, 2011, 09:47:41 AM
This says $1.86 billion over 12 years. That equals out to about $11 million annually for each school. The last BE contract was about $4 million for each football school with the hopes of doubling that in the next round of negotiations.
http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/05/the-accs-new-tv-contract-and-its-big-12.html
A head scratcher why the ACC would add two more craptacular football programs on top of this...so their schools would go from 13 each to 11 to 9 for Rutgers and UCONN? Since they just signed the deal, not much leverage to redo it for those schools. That is up to $48mm less per school for the length of this deal. Since this is new, would their media partners re-open?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 20, 2011, 09:13:53 AM
If I am counting properly, there would be 20 basketball teams and 12 football right?
Basketball could play everyone once and rotate location each year. Football would have 12 teams and could have a championship game.
I'd definitely be in favor of an unbalanced/division-based schedule. Let most of the longtime conference foes and traditional rivalries stay intact and increase familiarity between some of the schools to make the "huge conference" seem a lot less overwhelming and disconnected. The schedule would involve playing each team in your division twice, and every team in two of the three other divisions once (18 games). I could live with only playing Kansas or Villanova 2 out of 3 years to keep some rivalry going between us and UL, between KU and KSU, UConn and Georgetown...I think it would also appeal more to television to have two opportunities to schedule rivalry games, and you could also seed the conference tournament to get a game against one or more of the five you didn't play. And since winning this conference is damn near impossible for most schools, maybe they could put a "Division Champions" banner up to rub in the faces of their closest rivals :D
Something like:
Div A: Kansas, Kansas State, TCU, Baylor, Missouri
Div B: Marquette, DePaul, Louisville, Cincinnati, Iowa State
Div C: Notre Dame, St. John's, Seton Hall, Villanova, Rutgers
Div D: Providence, UConn, Georgetown, USF, WVU
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on September 20, 2011, 09:47:41 AM
This says $1.86 billion over 12 years. That equals out to about $11 million annually for each school. The last BE contract was about $4 million for each football school with the hopes of doubling that in the next round of negotiations.
http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/05/the-accs-new-tv-contract-and-its-big-12.html
So looking a little deeper at this deal if I get this right...with SU and PU, each ACC team gets $11mm per year. Add two more and it is $9.7mil+. Pitt led the charge to turn down ESPN's extension of $11mm per year in the Big East as they thought an open bid could garner more. Yes, they get $4mm now in the BE, but they just passed on a parity $11mm for a freshly-inked ACC deal that could net them $9.7mm before they even enter the league. Throw in the $8mm less for the two years remaining in the BE under current contract and a $5mm golden anchor--and each BE team is leaving $24.7mm on the table, while each ACC team will make $3.3mm less per year for 9 years or almost $30mm. What am I missing other than the ACC needs to try to reopen their new deal?
Meanwhile, the BE schools will lose 4-5 teams at $5mm penalty per leaving team...which is $25mm extra to split among the remaining 11 BE teams.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on September 20, 2011, 02:52:59 PM
So looking a little deeper at this deal if I get this right...with SU and PU, each ACC team gets $11mm per year. Add two more and it is $9.7mil+. Pitt led the charge to turn down ESPN's extension of $11mm per year in the Big East as they thought an open bid could garner more. Yes, they get $4mm now in the BE, but they just passed on a parity $11mm for a freshly-inked ACC deal that could net them $9.7mm before they even enter the league. Throw in the $8mm less for the two years remaining in the BE under current contract and a $5mm golden anchor--and each BE team is leaving $24.7mm on the table, while each ACC team will make $3.3mm less per year for 9 years or almost $30mm. What am I missing other than the ACC needs to try to reopen their new deal?
Meanwhile, the BE schools will lose 4-5 teams at $5mm penalty per leaving team...which is $25mm extra to split among the remaining 11 BE teams.
I think you are forgetting that Seton Hall and Georgetown were also very much against signing the new deal because they dont have any money right now and are desperate.
Quote from: muhs03 on September 20, 2011, 03:15:13 PM
I think you are forgetting that Seton Hall and Georgetown were also very much against signing the new deal because they dont have any money right now and are desperate.
I don't disagree with that thought...but I am not getting how this deal is better for the schools exiting? They left for less as best I can tell than they could have had. Stupid...better to dance with ACC than draw a line in the sand. Didn't cover their arse when they went into the snakehole.
Quote from: Warriors10 on September 20, 2011, 10:08:05 AM
Corrected it for you.
Lot of rumors in the Texas world that ND and Texas have hitched their wagons and may make a proposal to the B10. It would force the B10 to allow some uneven revenue sharing, but it would also land the two 800lb gorillas of college athletics. Normally that would seem absurd, but in light of the $$ crazy insanity that is driving college football, it might be plausible.
The realty is that both Rutgers and Uconn are in limbo until Notre Dame and Texas decide what they are going to do. The Big 10 or ACC will not risk taking them and than not have a space for Notre Dame and/or Texas.