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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Freeport Warrior on September 01, 2011, 10:38:18 AM
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I know I'm in the minority in that I have been rooting for Badger football my whole life. MU fans might want to root for the UW football team to make the Big Ten championship game this year because it's on the same day as the MU-UW basketball game in Madison. A ton of students, alum would be headed to Indianapolis and I would imagine bball tickets would be plentiful. Have paid $200/ticket a few years back in Madison, this would be a welcome change.
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It's a non-conference game. No bearing at all on whether or not they make it to Indy. Unless there is some obscure rule regarding a three way tie for the division that includes non-conference games.
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Big upside for MU fans if Bucky makes the Big Televen 12 Championship. Go Bucky.....
Growing up in Wisconsin, I have always been a UW Football fan. Badger football games are huge fun..
Can you tell a MU alum growing up in Illinois that they can't be an Illini football fan? We played Illinois a couple of times when I was in school.
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Big upside for MU fans if Bucky makes the Big Televen 12 Championship. Go Bucky.....
Growing up in Wisconsin, I have always been a UW Football fan. Badger football games are huge fun..
Can you tell a MU alum growing up in Illinois that they can't be an Illini football fan? We played Illinois a couple of times when I was in school.
I understand what you are saying, but that is a terrible analogy. Marquette and Illinois are in no way rivals.
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Same thing with Notre Dame. I knew plenty of people at MU who root for their football team, but cant stand anything else about them. I actually don't mind their football team becuase growing up my grandpa had season tickets, but I would rather die than cheer for their basketball team or like them as an institution.
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It's a non-conference game. No bearing at all on whether or not they make it to Indy. Unless there is some obscure rule regarding a three way tie for the division that includes non-conference games.
?? I'm not talking about tonight's game. I'm talking about their season.
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I understand what you are saying, but that is a terrible analogy. Marquette and Illinois are in no way rivals.
It is a stretch as an analogy, but terrible???? Really.
If we played ILL there would be a lot of woofin goin on in Chicago.
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It is a stretch as an analogy, but terrible???? Really.
If we played ILL there would be a lot of woofin goin on in Chicago.
Just because there would be some smack talk, doesn't make them a rival. We haven't even played them since 1993.
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/illinois
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ESPN SFTC has a "Will Wisconsin win by 40+ points" prop today. Is UW really favored by 39.5 points in this one? Isn't UNLV half way decent? Any badger faithful have a scoop on this game?
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The only reason to root for UW is if they are playing ND :)
ESPN SFTC has a "Will Wisconsin win by 40+ points" prop today. Is UW really favored by 39.5 points in this one? Isn't UNLV half way decent? Any badger faithful have a scoop on this game?
The line right now is 35.5. Thats pretty intense. UNLV was 2-11 last year and I feel like Bielema and the Badgers have alot to prove this year. Being at home, the O/U on total points is 56 and thats kind of intriguing.
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The only Badger I'll be cheering for this season is Gabe Carimi.
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UNLV had a bad record last year...but...
Wisconsin generally starts slow. And UNLV's coach is in his second year, and he is a pretty good coach. He was at Montana for years and won a bunch of games, and had to pretty much make over UNLV to fit what he wants.
Don't get me wrong...UW will win this game...but I seriously doubt they will cover.
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Based on Bucky's usual slow start and that UNLV should perform adequately based on coaching quality, take the under.
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Are you guys serious? (I realize the game has started already)
There is no way I take the under in this game.
Bielma never takes his foot off the gas.
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Aaaaaaaaand they covered and its only the 3rd quarter.
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Do people really think the Badgers being in the Big Tenwelve Title game for football on the same day as the MU vs. UW game is going to affect the game at all? Sure, maybe some UW fans with tickets choose to go to Indianapolis or stay home and watch both sporting events, but they're going to sell their tickets to other UW fans who will go to the MU vs. UW game. It's not like the Kohl Center is going to be empty because UW football is in the Big Tenwelve Title game. I know football comes first there, but the Kohl Center will still be packed regardless of whether the football team is playing a big game or not. I say let's go whoever is playing UW in any sport, even Notre Dame.
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Aaaaaaaaand they covered and its only the 3rd quarter.
Aaaaaaaaaand that's why they play the 4th. 51 -17. ;D
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Aaaaaaaaaand that's why they play the 4th. 51 -17. ;D
Obliterated the O/U at 56, booyah
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Do people really think the Badgers being in the Big Tenwelve Title game for football on the same day as the MU vs. UW game is going to affect the game at all? Sure, maybe some UW fans with tickets choose to go to Indianapolis or stay home and watch both sporting events, but they're going to sell their tickets to other UW fans who will go to the MU vs. UW game. It's not like the Kohl Center is going to be empty because UW football is in the Big Tenwelve Title game. I know football comes first there, but the Kohl Center will still be packed regardless of whether the football team is playing a big game or not. I say let's go whoever is playing UW in any sport, even Notre Dame.
You had me agreeing until the last sentence.
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Do people really think the Badgers being in the Big Tenwelve Title game for football on the same day as the MU vs. UW game is going to affect the game at all?
Yes. I think the ticket situation would be much better. I've scalped tickets for the Kohl Center game the last 4 times.
Here's my reasoning. For a majority of Badger fans, Marquette isn't even on their radar. Sure, they want to beat us, but they don't think of this as a major rivalry. It's just another out of conference game, similar to a ACC/Big Ten Challenge game. Definitely more high-profile than say a UW - UWGB game, but not much more than people here would think. I would say they look at it much the same way we think of UWM. They want to beat a Big East team to help their schedule, but they could care less if it's MU, Louisville, GT, Cincy, etc. Yes, there are exceptions, but most don't really care at all about MU. I think it's the exact opposite with MU fans. Many think of this as THE game of the season, if not one of the top games of the season. Most Badger fans I know root for Marquette other than during this game. We think of it as a big rivalry, they don't.
If the Badgers were to get to the Big Ten Championship, they will be all about football, not early season basketball. Since their students and alum (ie. ticketholders) travel well (and for the most part don't think of this as a major game anyway), I think this really softens the ticket market. I remember in 2007 when we beat them and I could only see a handful of MU fans throughout the arena (other than the MU parent section, maybe 50 people in the lower bowl). If they are in the B10 Championship, I think this changes. I'm not saying there will be free tickets, I just think the market will be flooded with more tickets than ever before for this game.
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I would say that is true for Badger fans once you leave the half hour to hour radius of Milwaukee. In Milwaukee I think the rivalry is strong both ways largely because you are fighting for coverage in the state's biggest city where Marquette often takes a backseat in their own town. Badger fans in Milwaukee definitely view it as a big rivalry no matter how you want to put it. Now in Stevens Point or La Crosse? No, Badger fans there probably don't give a damn.
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If the Badgers were to get to the Big Ten Championship, they will be all about football, not early season basketball. Since their students and alum (ie. ticketholders) travel well (and for the most part don't think of this as a major game anyway), I think this really softens the ticket market. I remember in 2007 when we beat them and I could only see a handful of MU fans throughout the arena (other than the MU parent section, maybe 50 people in the lower bowl). If they are in the B10 Championship, I think this changes. I'm not saying there will be free tickets, I just think the market will be flooded with more tickets than ever before for this game.
+1.
UW Football + Inaugural Big Tenweleventeen Championship + five hour drive = 30,000+ Badger fans making the trek to Indy.
That's at least 30,000 MBB ticket-holders or potential secondary ticket market buyers removed from the pool of possible MU-UW attendees. I would say that will have a significant effect on secondary market prices & availability.
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+1.
UW Football + Inaugural Big Tenweleventeen Championship + five hour drive = 30,000+ Badger fans making the trek to Indy.
That's at least 30,000 MBB ticket-holders or potential secondary ticket market buyers removed from the pool of possible MU-UW attendees. I would say that will have a significant effect on secondary market prices & availability.
You do realize how many people in the state of WI are Bucky fans, don't you?
30,000 is a drop in Lake Mendota.
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You do realize how many people in the state of WI are Bucky fans, don't you?
30,000 is a drop in Lake Mendota.
I took it as 30,000 Bucky fans who would potentially go the the MU-UW bball game, not total fans.
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I took it as 30,000 Bucky fans who would potentially go the the MU-UW bball game, not total fans.
I understand that, but my point is that there are thousands to take their place.
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Badger fans in Milwaukee definitely view it as a big rivalry no matter how you want to put it.
Agree it's a slightly bigger deal here, but the game is in Madison, and that was my original point.
I've been in MKE area since I graduated ('90) and most of the Badger fans I know either actively root for MU when not playing MU or don't care one way or the other. I don't see the hatred of MU like I see the hatred for "all things Bucky." It reminds me of Cubs/Brewers -- Cubs fans don't hate Brewers and probably rooted for them a bit when they were in the American League. Cubs vs. Reds is the same as Cubs vs. Brewers -- division game, important, but little true "rivalry." Cubs fans focus hate Sox and Cards. Brewers fans on the other hand, hate the Cubs and think of it as a huge rivalry (although the Cards rivalry seems to be taking shape since the Cubs are pathetic).
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I'm not sure why this is causing so much debate. It seem pretty obvious to me that Wisco in the B-10 title game would affect the secondary market for tickets. Simple supply and demand. It would seem that this convergence of events would affect both the supply of tickets on the secondary market and the demand for those tickets. Supply increases because some fans who typically would have used their tickets will be looking to sell them. Demand decreases because some people who typically would have wanted to purchase tickets on the secondary market will be attending the football game instead. I would think that the combination of increased supply and reduced demand will necessarily affect the secondary market. The extent of the effect is debatable, but I'd be surprised if there wasn't some effect.
Obviously, the counter argument is that the demand so far exceeds the supply that even 30,000 fewer potential customers will not affect the price, but I just disagree with this. How much demand is there? If there are 300,000 people who would purchase tickets for the game given the opportunity (which I very much doubt), I still would think a 10% reduction in the demand would affect the price.
And another point...when you're talking about scalped tickets, the demand at issue is the number of people walking around the arena looking for tickets. Reduce the number of people there (and increase the number of tickets available), and the price will go down.
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I understand that, but my point is that there are thousands to take their place.
I would disagree and say that if they are in the B10 Championship, there are not (many) thousands to take their place for a game they don't really care about. Too much effort (travel, ticket, parking, etc.) for little reward (in their opinion).
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I would disagree and say that if they are in the B10 Championship, there are not (many) thousands to take their place for a game they don't really care about. Too much effort (travel, ticket, parking, etc.) for little reward (in their opinion).
They've sold out the last 138 games at the Kohl Hole. And they have the highest attendance in the Big 10 (7th nationally)... which also has the highest attendance of any conference.
You grossly underestimate their 'care' factor. The KC will be as packed as it always is... you can take that to the bank.
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If the games are being played AT THE SAME TIME, most Badger fans will want to watch the football game on TV. The Kohl hole may still be full, but you will be able to get your tickets on the street for way cheaper than usual.
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They've sold out the last 138 games at the Kohl Hole. And they have the highest attendance in the Big 10 (7th nationally)... which also has the highest attendance of any conference.
You grossly underestimate their 'care' factor. The KC will be as packed as it always is... you can take that to the bank.
Proportionally, this helps MU fans get access. Not saying the Kohl Hole will be all Blue and Gold, but instead of being totally drowned out, we will make some noise. Most of the Bucky fans I know are big fans of FB and BB, but for a chance to go to the inaugural FB Championship, they will sell me their tickets in a heartbeat.
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They've sold out the last 138 games at the Kohl Hole. And they have the highest attendance in the Big 10 (7th nationally)... which also has the highest attendance of any conference.
You grossly underestimate their 'care' factor. The KC will be as packed as it always is... you can take that to the bank.
I haven't seen anyone argue that the game won't be sold out. I think Freeport was just speculating that there would be more scalper tickets available and that hopefully he'd be able to avoid that $200 price point he's had in the past. Seems to me that he's probably right.
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They've sold out the last 138 games at the Kohl Hole. And they have the highest attendance in the Big 10 (7th nationally)... which also has the highest attendance of any conference.
You grossly underestimate their 'care' factor. The KC will be as packed as it always is... you can take that to the bank.
You're missing my point. The "care factor" will be reflected in the lower ticket prices (due to decreased demand), not that it will be sold out. Do you think their UWM game has the same "care factor" as the Michican State game even though both technically sell out?
Bottom line is that if Badgers are in the B10 Football Championship game, there will be more MU fans at the Kohl Center at a much lower price than in previous years.
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If the games are being played AT THE SAME TIME, most Badger fans will want to watch the football game on TV. The Kohl hole may still be full, but you will be able to get your tickets on the street for way cheaper than usual.
Probably, yes.
This assumes that a large portion of tickets are scalped. Most UW friends that I have sell them to friends/family that want to go to the game... I'm sure there will be scalpers, but I doubt the prices will be much lower than normal.
Also, I sincerely doubt that UW is stupid enough to schedule the basketball and football games at the same time.
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I haven't seen anyone argue that the game won't be sold out. I think Freeport was just speculating that there would be more scalper tickets available and that hopefully he'd be able to avoid that $200 price point he's had in the past. Seems to me that he's probably right.
Wear a Bucky shirt to buy your tickets, and then change into your Blue and Gold.
$200? Man, I thought Badger fans didn't care about the basketball team.
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Probably, yes.
This assumes that a large portion of tickets are scalped. Most UW friends that I have sell them to friends/family that want to go to the game... I'm sure there will be scalpers, but I doubt the prices will be much lower than normal.
Also, I sincerely doubt that UW is stupid enough to schedule the basketball and football games at the same time.
All of this is true. But if 30,000 of those friends/family are in Indy for the football game, those tickets will trickle down to other recipients (who in turn won't have to buy the scalped tickets). More supply...less demand...cheaper tickets.
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All of this is true. But if 30,000 of those friends/family are in Indy for the football game, those tickets will trickle down to other recipients (who in turn won't have to buy the scalped tickets). More supply...less demand...cheaper tickets.
I know, I know... simple economics... I just don't think the impact will be very big.
Please don't say 'trickle down' again, I might have a brain anyeurism.
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Wear a Bucky shirt to buy your tickets, and then change into your Blue and Gold.
$200? Man, I thought Badger fans didn't care about the basketball team.
Of all the $ spent on sports tickets over the years, that was definitely a highlight. Both teams were ranked. The only MU fan remotely near me was George Koonce and we were having a great time as we pulled it out at the end. After the game, some co-ed introduced me to fish bowls at Wando's and the rest was a blur.
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I know, I know... simple economics... I just don't think the impact will be very big.
Please don't say 'trickle down' again, I might have a brain anyeurism.
Well, it seems that we agree that there would be an effect on the supply-side.
Hard to say how big the impact will be. Is it a "big" impact if a ticket that typically sells for $50 can be had for $45? Five bucks isn't much...but some would consider 10% a big impact.
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Of all the $ spent on sports tickets over the years, that was definitely a highlight. Both teams were ranked. The only MU fan remotely near me was George Koonce and we were having a great time as we pulled it out at the end. After the game, some co-ed introduced me to fish bowls at Wando's and the rest was a blur.
Oooooooh Wandos!.. gotta show up Tuesdays for free bacon!
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Well, it seems that we agree that there would be an effect on the supply-side.
Hard to say how big the impact will be. Is it a "big" impact if a ticket that typically sells for $50 can be had for $45? Five bucks isn't much...but some would consider 10% a big impact.
Personally, I'd say that $5 cheaper tickets would be a small impact.
I'd say that tickets typically have to cost 50% more to be a big impact.
And yes, I realize this is all rather arbitrary.
I'm not sure the effect is on supply alone... by your (or others) description, the demand would be low (due to the B10 championship game), which would create a higher supply in the scalper market.
This has always been a fuzzy area for me in economics... sort of the chicken and the egg and which came first.
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Personally, I'd say that $5 cheaper tickets would be a small impact.
I'd say that tickets typically have to cost 50% more to be a big impact.
And yes, I realize this is all rather arbitrary.
I'm not sure the effect is on supply alone... by your (or others) description, the demand would be low (due to the B10 championship game), which would create a higher supply in the scalper market.
This has always been a fuzzy area for me in economics... sort of the chicken and the egg and which came first.
I only included the "supply-side" reference in the last post as a follow up to your response to the "trickle down" comment. I tried to tip you off by italicizing it...but I really don't do teal or the winking guys...
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I only included the "supply-side" reference in the last post as a follow up to your response to the "trickle down" comment. I tried to tip you off by italicizing it...but I really don't do teal or the winking guys...
Okay, I figured that is what you were getting at, but I was just trying to read more into it... hahaha.
bastard.
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Supply = people who have tickets that may be willing to sell them.
Demand = people who do not have tickets but want them.
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Supply = people who have tickets that may be willing to sell them.
Demand = people who do not have tickets but want them.
Right, I understand that. I didn't go to Oshkosh. ;D
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I believe (but could be wrong)
Increased supply causes the supply curve to shift to the right, lowering the price. Demand curve shifts to the left, also lowering the price.
The extent to which the price lowers depends on the relative shifts of each curve and the inelasticity of demand for tickets. The lengthy sellout streak would point to evidence for a high inelasticity of demand and small shift in the demand curve. Shift of the supply curve would be a function of the number of STH's that are also invested in Wisconsin being in the B10 championship.
Also, f*ck wisconsin football.
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I believe (but could be wrong)
Increased supply causes the supply curve to shift to the right, lowering the price. Demand curve shifts to the left, also lowering the price.
The extent to which the price lowers depends on the relative shifts of each curve and the inelasticity of demand for tickets. The lengthy sellout streak would point to evidence for a high inelasticity of demand and small shift in the demand curve. Shift of the supply curve would be a function of the number of STH's that are also invested in Wisconsin being in the B10 championship.
Also, f*ck wisconsin football.
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I was not concerned with $$ as much as availability. I don't think that many people around here, (who are used to the dnace that goes on getting ticky's for the MU/UW game) think that there will be 7,000 tickets available. I hope that there may be 1000-1500 because of the odd circumstances.
Even if the basketball game is moved so there is no time conflict, Badger fans will stay in Indy to drink.
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Also, f*ck wisconsin football.
+1
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I was not concerned with $$ as much as availability. I don't think that many people around here, (who are used to the dnace that goes on getting ticky's for the MU/UW game) think that there will be 7,000 tickets available. I hope that there may be 1000-1500 because of the odd circumstances.
Even if the basketball game is moved so there is no time conflict, Badger fans will stay in Indy to drink.
But at least people won't be at home or bars watching the football game instead of the basketball game. The fans that stay home will watch the football game on TV then go to the basketball game (or reverse depending on schedule).
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I'll make the argument that UW has a good football team and that's entertaining to watch, but UW Football fans are unnatural carnal knowledgeing insufferable. I believe I've been told that UW badger fans invented (wrote?) Jump Around, the wave, the slow wave and the fast wave. Apparently UW is the only school with a football program with tradition.
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I'll make the argument that UW has a good football team and that's entertaining to watch, but UW Football fans are fracking insufferable. I believe I've been told that UW badger fans invented (wrote?) Jump Around, the wave, the slow wave and the fast wave. Apparently UW is the only school with a football program with tradition.
I have been a UW Football fan since I was kid, because it was the only D1 college football around, and it was a good time on fall Saturdays. Badger football, as we now know it, started in 1990 when King Barry came to town. We all know the reality of Jump Around and the other stuff.
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I have been a UW Football fan since I was kid, because it was the only D1 college football around, and it was a good time on fall Saturdays. Badger football, as we now know it, started in 1990 when King Barry came to town. We all know the reality of Jump Around and the other stuff.
Evanston is closer than Madison. Root for Northwestern.
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Had friends at Madison during my MU years and I lingered for many a "Fifth Quarter" I was invited to the Rose Bowl last year by some alumni and enjoyed it. didn't have a dog in the hunt so I wasn't as bummed as some. that said, Wiscy football is fun to watch
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Evanston is closer than Madison. Root for Northwestern.
Closer to what? I live 42 minutes from Camp Randall.
Root for Northwestern. That is as much fun as a rectal exam. Say what you will about Badger BB.... Badger FB is great fun.
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I equate watching college football with minor league baseball, except the football players are paid better. Regardless, there's no way I'm rooting for Bucky.
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I'll make the argument that UW has a good football team and that's entertaining to watch, but UW Football fans are fracking insufferable. I believe I've been told that UW badger fans invented (wrote?) Jump Around, the wave, the slow wave and the fast wave. Apparently UW is the only school with a football program with tradition.
...and that tradition started way back in the mid-1990s, shortly before the basketball program's tradition began.