Interesting Coaching roster at Dwade Fantasy Camp
http://dwyanewadefantasycamp.com/special-guests.php
$12,500 fee to attend the camp. You got to be kidding me.
My big question is since when has Buzz looked that thin?
He looked thinner at the pro am than he did during the season. I commented to my wife that his suits must make him look heavier.
There was an article at some point this summer that said Buzz dropped some weight since the season ended.
My question is if Buzz and Crean will even talk this weekend. Crean's burned more bridges in the past than General Patton.
Quote from: TedBaxter on August 21, 2011, 02:43:43 AM
My question is if Buzz and Crean will even talk this weekend. Crean's burned more bridges in the past than General Patton.
My understanding is Buzz and Crean are good friends. Buzz has repeatedly said they talk almost everyday. By all accounts, Crean would have taken Buzz to IU but Buzz chose to stay behind and lobby for the MU job.
The better question might be who is going to pay for dinner.
Quote from: nyg on August 20, 2011, 05:55:05 PM
$12,500 fee to attend the camp. You got to be kidding me.
That's why it's called a fantasy camp.
Crean put out some nice tweets about his team at the camp and their MU connections.
Apparently Wade let's all kinds of trash appear at his camp.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on August 21, 2011, 08:03:48 AM
My understanding is Buzz and Crean are good friends. Buzz has repeatedly said they talk almost everyday. By all accounts, Crean would have taken Buzz to IU but Buzz chose to stay behind and lobby for the MU job.
The better question might be who is going to pay for dinner.
Where did you hear this? I haven't heard Buzz or Crean acknowledge each other in a public setting, so I'm wondering.
Crean took some veiled shots at Buzz and his assistants on Twitter a year or so ago during the Branden Dawson recruiting and ever since then, I haven't seen one Crean tweet with a Marquette mention other than the players he coached at Marquette.
Can you imagine a camper saying, "Awww man. I got this guy Buzz Williams. I wanted Chris Mullin or Mike Fratello!" lol
Quote from: TedBaxter on August 21, 2011, 12:49:11 PM
Crean took some veiled shots at Buzz and his assistants on Twitter a year or so ago during the Branden Dawson recruiting and ever since then, I haven't seen one Crean tweet with a Marquette mention other than the players he coached at Marquette.
Not true. Crean was going after Chris Mack and his lead recruiter (Travis Steele with Indiana roots) at Xavier and their negative recruiting. This was the "he woke up on 3rd base" reference after Miller left. Goes back to Tu transferring and X's in-roads to I4 since.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on August 21, 2011, 01:22:25 PM
Not true. Crean was going after Chris Mack and his lead recruiter (Travis Steele with Indiana roots) at Xavier and their negative recruiting. This was the "he woke up on 3rd base" reference after Miller left. Goes back to Tu transferring and X's in-roads to I4 since.
Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story.
Crean took a shot at MU, and Buzz hates him.
Since the Dawson recruitment was mentioned, which Crean really never was a player in the end since it was a Nike connection. MU had a chance because his grandma lives in Milwaukee, but MSU fans spread some manure at the time as how could a young head coach take on the great Izzo. Here is the whole story of Izzo's NCAA suspension related to a secondary violation during the Dawson recruitment that came out this summer on the MSU site.
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20110728/GW/107280330/Playing-by-rules-Day-5-Behind-Izzo-s-suspension
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on August 21, 2011, 01:22:25 PM
Not true. Crean was going after Chris Mack and his lead recruiter (Travis Steele with Indiana roots) at Xavier and their negative recruiting. This was the "he woke up on 3rd base" reference after Miller left. Goes back to Tu transferring and X's in-roads to I4 since.
Well, you could be right, but how come there was a Broeker tweet right after that came out saying something to the effect, "Let's schedule a game instead of fighting on twitter"?
Was Crean talking about Xavier, Marquette or another school? Who knows for sure? Indiana articles originally said it was about Thad Matta, but then the waking up on third base reference could have been about Buzz as well if Crean didn't think he was given enough credit for MU's appearances in the NCAA when he was in Bloomington.
Quote from: TedBaxter on August 21, 2011, 04:23:09 PM
Well, you could be right, but how come there was a Broeker tweet right after that came out saying something to the effect, "Let's schedule a game instead of fighting on twitter"?
Maybe Broeker's too old to fully understand the internet?
I think he was trashing Matt Painter. TC has said on a number of occasions (I've seen Kravitz reference it in the Star) that Painter had a great and almost unfair advantage being able to sit for a year next to Gene, learn the HS coaches etc.
Quote from: deerchaser on August 20, 2011, 06:36:13 PM
My big question is since when has Buzz looked that thin?
It seems that Buzz loses weight in the off-season and then packs it back on during the year.
Crean being mad at Painter is ridiculous. I want to say Painter's third season he was playing 84% of minutes with 1st or 2nd year players and finished 2nd in the Big Ten. I'm not saying Crean failed/ is failing/ deserves to be fired, but his biggest rival did pretty well with all of the same excuses that have been used for Crean.
Where's the voice of reason, Chicos, when you need him?
Quote from: The Lens on August 21, 2011, 04:39:07 PM
I think he was trashing Matt Painter. TC has said on a number of occasions (I've seen Kravitz reference it in the Star) that Painter had a great and almost unfair advantage being able to sit for a year next to Gene, learn the HS coaches etc.
You guys can believe whatever you want. But know that X recruited Dee Davis right out of Bloomington HS for 2011 when CTC was struggling, then and secured Chandler out of Indy before his issues...on top of Tu moving along with Crawford. This was before the Zoller commit and when McLeod was screwing up at IU. Remember, Crean was "recruiting Holloway for MU" the week before he split to I4. Steele was at Indiana under Sampson, and moved to X when CTC came on. Was associated with Spiece and Elite prior to that. Sound like the makings of a shot across the bow?
Edited to add that Steele also snagged James Farr vs. Crean from Chicago in April 2011 was was supposed to be a late 2011 signee but reclassified to 2012.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on August 21, 2011, 05:50:52 PM
You guys can believe whatever you want. But know that X recruited Dee Davis right out of Bloomington HS for 2011 when CTC was struggling, then and secured Chandler out of Indy before his issues...on top of Tu moving along with Crawford. This was before the Zoller commit and when McLeod was screwing up at IU. Remember, Crean was "recruiting Holloway for MU" the week before he split to I4. Steele was at Indiana under Sampson, and moved to X when CTC came on. Was associated with Spiece and Elite prior to that. Sound like the makings of a shot across the bow?
Edited to add that Steele also snagged James Farr vs. Crean from Chicago in April 2011 was was supposed to be a late 2011 signee but reclassified to 2012.
I'm not saying you're wrong at all since most of my speculation surrounded Broeker's tweet.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 21, 2011, 05:47:29 PM
Where's the voice of reason, Chicos, when you need him?
I'd have to speculate this thread is tearing him apart - not being able to comment, and add his 2 cents. Highly unlikely someone goes from posting about 10 posts per day to never reading the board again.
Whatever the case, I think the relationship between Buzz and Crean has cooled since their time together at MU, though its got to gnaw at TC that Buzz has been invited to be a coach at Wade's Fantasy Camp. Possibly even a tough position for Wade to be in - as there are two loyalties (potentially opposed now) - in his former coach TC, and his alma mater, MU/Buzz.
Ners, you have no idea what their relationship is now and all you are doing is letting your bias do your speculating for you.
Buzz doesn't seem the type to let any relationship cool. They have been important to him as he began and developed his career...and has used them often.
Quote from: Ners on August 21, 2011, 07:40:59 PM
I'd have to speculate this thread is tearing him apart - not being able to comment, and add his 2 cents. Highly unlikely someone goes from posting about 10 posts per day to never reading the board again.
Whatever the case, I think the relationship between Buzz and Crean has cooled since their time together at MU, though its got to gnaw at TC that Buzz has been invited to be a coach at Wade's Fantasy Camp. Possibly even a tough position for Wade to be in - as there are two loyalties (potentially opposed now) - in his former coach TC, and his alma mater, MU/Buzz.
Why would Buzz being at Wade's camp "gnaw at TC"?
Am I missing something?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 21, 2011, 08:03:24 PM
Ners, you have no idea what their relationship is now and all you are doing is letting your bias do your speculating for you.
Buzz doesn't seem the type to let any relationship cool. They have been important to him as he began and developed his career...and has used them often.
Guess what Sultan - speculate is about all anyone this board does. When I say "I think," that doesn't mean, "I know," so what is your point in saying I have no idea what their relationship is now?? Duh. I don't - which is why I said I think. I've not heard Buzz reference TC in over 2 years - the 3rd base comment came out - whether directed at Painter, Chris Mack, or Buzz - Broeker tweeted something about it..and Broeker and Buzz are close...
Quote from: 2002MUalum on August 21, 2011, 09:00:40 PM
Why would Buzz being at Wade's camp "gnaw at TC"?
Am I missing something?
Yea - you are missing the fact that D-Wade is TC's biggest poker chip. TC pimps D-Wade as much as he can. Adorning him in Indiana shorts, releasing the photos, etc. The fact Buzz had no coaching relationship with Wade whatsoever, yet Wade thinks highly enough of Buzz to bring him to his Fantasy Camp - you don't think that gnaws at TC??
Quote from: Ners on August 21, 2011, 09:07:41 PM
Yea - you are missing the fact that D-Wade is TC's biggest poker chip. TC pimps D-Wade as much as he can. Adorning him in Indiana shorts, releasing the photos, etc. The fact Buzz had no coaching relationship with Wade whatsoever, yet Wade thinks highly enough of Buzz to bring him to his Fantasy Camp - you don't think that gnaws at TC??
I think it gnaws at him about as much as having Mike Fratello there... that is to say, not at all.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on August 21, 2011, 09:23:25 PM
I think it gnaws at him about as much as having Mike Fratello there... that is to say, not at all.
Heh...exactly.
Whether Tom Crean made his petulant, childish and b*tchy comment about Buzz, Painter, Mack, Matta or someone else doesn't matter to me. The fact that he made the statement at all says much more about who TC is than it does about whoever he was going after.
Quote from: TedBaxter on August 21, 2011, 04:23:09 PM
Well, you could be right, but how come there was a Broeker tweet right after that came out saying something to the effect, "Let's schedule a game instead of fighting on twitter"?
Was Crean talking about Xavier, Marquette or another school? Who knows for sure? Indiana articles originally said it was about Thad Matta, but then the waking up on third base reference could have been about Buzz as well if Crean didn't think he was given enough credit for MU's appearances in the NCAA when he was in Bloomington.
Here was Crean's tweet on June 29, 2010:
"Frankly some of the assistants we go against I wouldn't let valet my car. They either would lose the keys or drive away with it. In all honesty there are some Head coaches that would be the same way. The ones that wake up on 3rd base and think they hit a triple kill me."
Here is Broeker's tweet on August 11, 2010:
"Instead of negative recruiting our program, call me, lets schedule a game and handle business on the court."
So, 43 days later Broeker strikes back? The same guy that Crean loves wouldn't pick up the phone to call him to settle a feud? We need Chicos back as I am not a Crean Wanker, but let's reel it in a bit boys. You guys obviously don't believe me or the facts, so be it. But I can tell you one last time: Crean hates Steele.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on August 21, 2011, 11:10:02 PM
Here was Crean's tweet on June 29, 2010:
"Frankly some of the assistants we go against I wouldn't let valet my car. They either would lose the keys or drive away with it. In all honesty there are some Head coaches that would be the same way. The ones that wake up on 3rd base and think they hit a triple kill me."
Here is Broeker's tweet on August 11, 2010:
"Instead of negative recruiting our program, call me, lets schedule a game and handle business on the court."
So, 43 days later Broeker strikes back? The same guy that Crean loves wouldn't pick up the phone to call him to settle a feud? We need Chicos back as I am not a Crean Wanker, but let's reel it in a bit boys. You guys obviously don't believe me or the facts, so be it. But I can tell you one last time: Crean hates Steele.
George The Animal?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 21, 2011, 09:27:29 PM
Heh...exactly.
Comical - So 2002 says "He thinks it gnaws at Crean about as much as having Mike Fratello there?" - And now you say "Heh...exactly."
Where's the, "You have no idea 2002, how much it gnaws at Crean - and all you are doing is letting your bias speculate for you?"
Double Standard Sultan?? I know I'm not one of your favorites here but come on man - at least be consistent in your approach and logic.
Ners, I don't know why you think you aren't one of "my favorites" here. I have nothing against you.
And I simply don't jump to conclusions about anyone's feelings with lack of evidence. I do agree with Lennys that the tweet itself was childish.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 22, 2011, 06:37:56 AM
Ners, I don't know why you think you aren't one of "my favorites" here. I have nothing against you.
And I simply don't jump to conclusions about anyone's feelings with lack of evidence. I do agree with Lennys that the tweet itself was childish.
Sultan - When you basically rip me for posting an "I think" comment, and then when 2002 turns around and does the same thing, you applaud/agree with his logic - seems odd, that there isn't something personal with regard to your different reaction to the same line of thinking?
It's alright too - we all have some people here we tend to agree with more than others - and some we disagree with more than others. My only point was at least try to be consistent in your criticism, and not have double standards based on your bias toward the original poster.
But you were right, in that I have no idea what the relationship is like between Buzz and Crean - but my intuition tells me it is not very warm anymore...
I'm not speculating. I'm noticing the lack of evidence. There is a difference.
I know it's fun to think that Buzz hates TC because we all love Buzz and hope TC gets drilled by a bus and burns in hell for eternity.
However, I just haven't seen/heard anything to support that they don't get along.
If they don't get along i'm sure it is not Buzz's fault. Thought the tweet was immature at best
Quote from: 2002MUalum on August 22, 2011, 06:14:02 PM
I'm not speculating. I'm noticing the lack of evidence. There is a difference.
I know it's fun to think that Buzz hates TC because we all love Buzz and hope TC gets drilled by a bus and burns in hell for eternity.
However, I just haven't seen/heard anything to support that they don't get along.
In my view the absence of any mention of TC by Buzz Williams for the past 2 years is enough evidence that they aren't exactly best of friends. Furthermore, Crean was on the studio show doing commentary before the MU/Xavier tourney game, and interestingly enough was removed from the set when the discussion got into the analysis of the upcoming matchup between MU and Xavier.
Buzz gave TC lots of props his first year as head coach, however since the summer following that first year (which is when I believe the 3rd base tweet came out), I don't recall Buzz mentioning TC's name 1 time.
Whatever the case, I really don't care if they are friends, or not...just my belief that they aren't very close anymore - and given the childish nature Crean showed in making the tweet he did (whether directed at Buzz, Painter, or Mack)(though I really doubt Mack or Painter woke up on Third Base more than Buzz did in getting the Amigos as Seniors) leads me to believe he probably wasn't too thrilled that Buzz was invited to D-Wade's fantasy camp...as TC's claim to fame is D-Wade..and seeing Buzz there probably annoyed him a little.
Quote from: Ners on August 22, 2011, 11:35:39 PM
In my view the absence of any mention of TC by Buzz Williams for the past 2 years is enough evidence that they aren't exactly best of friends. Furthermore, Crean was on the studio show doing commentary before the MU/Xavier tourney game, and interestingly enough was removed from the set when the discussion got into the analysis of the upcoming matchup between MU and Xavier.
Buzz gave TC lots of props his first year as head coach, however since the summer following that first year (which is when I believe the 3rd base tweet came out), I don't recall Buzz mentioning TC's name 1 time.
Whatever the case, I really don't care if they are friends, or not...just my belief that they aren't very close anymore - and given the childish nature Crean showed in making the tweet he did (whether directed at Buzz, Painter, or Mack)(though I really doubt Mack or Painter woke up on Third Base more than Buzz did in getting the Amigos as Seniors) leads me to believe he probably wasn't too thrilled that Buzz was invited to D-Wade's fantasy camp...as TC's claim to fame is D-Wade..and seeing Buzz there probably annoyed him a little.
Well, Buzz hasn't mentioned Billy G. in a long time, does that mean they aren't friends? I have no idea, and that's my point.
I think you are reading into a bunch of stuff that really isn't there.
We'll agree to disagree.
Quote from: Ners on August 22, 2011, 11:35:39 PM(whether directed at Buzz, Painter, or Mack)(though I really doubt Mack or Painter woke up on Third Base more than Buzz did in getting the Amigos as Seniors)
Mack inherited a team that had won three straight regular season conference titles, gone to the NCAAs in 8 of the past 9 seasons, and was fresh off consecutive Sweet 16s. He also had one of the best backcourts in the country in Crawford and Holloway.
Painter's first team was hamstrung by injuries to Carl Landry and David Teague, but when they both returned in 2006-07 the pair averaged a combined 34 points and 15 rebounds and led Purdue back to the NCAAs, where they won a first round game only to lose to eventual champion Florida.
You could really argue the case for any of the three.