Per Scout...
23. Shaquille Cleare, 6'9", 280 (we are in final six...we will have to see)
71. Wannah Bail, 6'7", 185 (sounds like a Taylor clone...I doubt mutual interest still exists)
73. AJ Hammons, 6'10", 260 (doesn't look like much interest on his part)
100. Prince Ibeh, 6'11", 210 (not sure where we stand but I doubt it)
NR. Zach Auguste, 6'9", 205 (a hot name...definate possibility)
NR. Cinmeon Bowers, 6'7", 240 (I doubt it)
NR. Philip Nolan, 6'10", 200 (I doubt it)
And a couple others even rated lower than Nolan that I doubt we are even seriously considering.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 12, 2011, 10:15:28 AM
Per Scout...
23. Shaquille Cleare, 6'9", 280 (we are in final six...we will have to see)
71. Wannah Bail, 6'7", 185 (sounds like a Taylor clone...I doubt mutual interest still exists)
73. AJ Hammons, 6'10", 260 (doesn't look like much interest on his part)
100. Prince Ibeh, 6'11", 210 (not sure where we stand but I doubt it)
NR. Zach Auguste, 6'9", 205 (a hot name...definate possibility)
NR. Cinmeon Bowers, 6'7", 240 (I doubt it)
NR. Philip Nolan, 6'10", 200 (I doubt it)
And a couple others even rated lower than Nolan that I doubt we are even seriously considering.
Great stuff Sultan. Why do you doubt Nolan and Bowers? Is it us or them that you doubt on their respective recruitiments?
Didn't Bowers get shot in the leg last year?
Quote from: We R Final Four on August 12, 2011, 11:34:01 AM
Great stuff Sultan. Why do you doubt Nolan and Bowers? Is it us or them that you doubt on their respective recruitiments?
Haven't heard anything recently on Bowers, which is why I doubt him. Nolan we haven't been active with in awhile, though moving back to MKE may help his cause. However, he's said he wants to play right away, and I'm not sure that chance will be here for him. He's probably at best a fall-back option.
Quote from: We R Final Four on August 12, 2011, 11:34:01 AM
Great stuff Sultan. Why do you doubt Nolan and Bowers? Is it us or them that you doubt on their respective recruitiments?
I don't see much evidence to suggest that MU is still interested.
College is a guards game.
/I miss Chicos.
Andre Drummond said he wants to focus on academics and basketball. If he is focusing on academics, Its a good thing he is looking at West Virginia, becasue we all know that Huggy Bear's number one concern is education.
Quote from: BRMU23 on August 16, 2011, 11:49:55 AMAndre Drummond said he wants to focus on academics and basketball. If he is focusing on academics, Its a good thing he is looking at West Virginia, becasue we all know that Huggy Bear's number one concern is education.
Drummond will never play a minute of NCAA basketball. He will go directly to the NBA. The reason he can do that is because he has already completed his high school obligation. He is old enough and has his classes finished that he could have been a 2011, but he wanted to play another year with Kris Dunn, so he's going prep school instead.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 16, 2011, 05:54:12 PM
Drummond will never play a minute of NCAA basketball. He will go directly to the NBA. The reason he can do that is because he has already completed his high school obligation. He is old enough and has his classes finished that he could have been a 2011, but he wanted to play another year with Kris Dunn, so he's going prep school instead.
which is actually great news. I think that if drummond played college bball he would go to uconn and bring dunn with him.
I really do not understand why a player would pass up a year of college to play another year of high school.
Quote from: bilsu on August 16, 2011, 08:33:02 PM
I really do not understand why a player would pass up a year of college to play another year of high school.
He will dominate in HS. Being as highly touted as he is, going to college could potentially expose some flaws in his game, hurting his stock. Not to mention he'd have to work much, much harder in college and there's a chance he could get injured. If he can coast through a dominant HS season and still be a Top 3 NBA pick, why risk it?
QuoteHe will dominate in HS. Being as highly touted as he is, going to college could potentially expose some flaws in his game, hurting his stock. Not to mention he'd have to work much, much harder in college and there's a chance he could get injured. If he can coast through a dominant HS season and still be a Top 3 NBA pick, why risk it?
None of what you said makes any sense unless the kids is a loser. If you are a winner, a competitor you want to play the best and at the highest level. "Players" want to dominate at the highest level. If you doubt your true abilities, then you follow your plan. IMHO
Quote from: Ruby on August 17, 2011, 10:52:18 AM
None of what you said makes any sense unless the kids is a loser. If you are a winner, a competitor you want to play the best and at the highest level. "Players" want to dominate at the highest level. If you doubt your true abilities, then you follow your plan. IMHO
I'm not saying that would be MY plan. I'm saying that's a possible way of thinking. When it comes to the NBA, often the less that execs see, the higher your draft stock (i.e. the higher your initial salary). Look at all the foreign players drafted in the lottery. They aren't playing against the stiffest competition overseas and they don't always put up great numbers, but they get drafted because of what they MIGHT be able to do (based on a small sample size). If Drummond goes to college and struggles, his stock will drop. He's already projected to be a top 3 pick, his stock can't go much higher than that. It's the same rationale used by players who don't go to Portsmouth or QBs who don't throw at the NFL combine. Sometimes less can be better in the short term. In the long-term, Drummond and players of his ilk would absolutely be better off going to college and playing against better competition, but these kids aren't always thinking long-term.
Quote from: Ruby on August 17, 2011, 10:52:18 AMNone of what you said makes any sense unless the kids is a loser. If you are a winner, a competitor you want to play the best and at the highest level. "Players" want to dominate at the highest level. If you doubt your true abilities, then you follow your plan. IMHO
Well, LeBron and Dwight Howard were both #1 overall picks and they never played college. I realize they didn't have to make the choice, but Drummond's status right now as a lottery pick is pretty well locked in. Maybe he looked at Fab Melo and saw how far your stock can drop with one bad year. Maybe he just has really good friends at the prep school level (like Dunn) and wants to enjoy himself for one more year. Maybe he's not playing at the highest level he can, but maybe he's also being pragmatic, knowing that if he needs it, college will still be there in a year but that he will have less likelihood of injury and at least an equal chance of getting drafted in the lottery.
It may not be the choice everyone wants to see him make, but that doesn't mean the move doesn't make sense.
I just do not buy the injury argument. He can get a career ending injury in high school or college. He gets a career ending injury in high school he is not going to get a scholarship to college. He gets a career ending injury in college, he probably still gets to stay to complete his four years. It just does not seem to be a wise decision to me.
Quote from: bilsu on August 17, 2011, 12:12:24 PMI just do not buy the injury argument. He can get a career ending injury in high school or college. He gets a career ending injury in high school he is not going to get a scholarship to college. He gets a career ending injury in college, he probably still gets to stay to complete his four years. It just does not seem to be a wise decision to me.
He won't be going up against players as physical as Big East players in prep school. In the Big East, he'd be one of many big, strong centers. In prep school, he'll be the biggest and strongest kid. A freak injury could still occur, but it's less likely against guys that can't physically push you around.
And either way, he's pretty much a lock for the lottery, even in the 2012 NBA Draft that will probably be the best since 2003. Why risk collapsing your stock? If they drafted right now, he'd probably be top-5 in that draft. There's not much room to go up, but plenty of room to go down. And he probably thinks it'd be more fun to play for the prep school with his best friend than to go through the adjustment of going to UConn.
Right or wrong, the idea makes sense.
That being the case, why risk playing at all?
Cinmeon Bowers will be going to, "Quality Education Academy," a prep school in North Carolina this year and will not be at Rufus King.
This school has raised some attention because of lack of academic quality issues.
I still don't buy staying in high school because you are afraid the competition in college will hurt your draft potential. Most h.s. kids aren't good enough to play in college. Most college kids aren't good enough to play in the pros. If you are ready to play in the NBA as a h.s player, I think you would see college as a relatively minor step up from h.s. I don't think you would fear the competition. Plus, mostly the coaching in college is better than in h.s. due to experience, resources and intensity.
Maybe if getting to the pros is only about the paycheck, you have a point. But I gotta believe a kid with that talent would get bored playing bad competition every night.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 18, 2011, 09:49:10 AM
Cinmeon Bowers will be going to, "Quality Education Academy," a prep school in North Carolina this year and will not be at Rufus King.
This school has raised some attention because of lack of academic quality issues.
Really? With a name like "Quality Education Academy", I'm shocked. lol ;D