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Title: Forbes List of Best Colleges - Top 650
Post by: Mayor McCheese on August 10, 2011, 10:26:42 PM
http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/#p_1_s_arank_

For just Wisconsin schools that made the 650 - here

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/#p_1_s_arank_WI


How they came up with the list - from the source itself - "quality of teaching, great career prospects, graduation rates and low levels of debt. Unlike other lists, we pointedly ignore ephemeral measures such as school "reputation" and ill-conceived metrics that reward wasteful spending. We try and evaluate the college purchase as a consumer would:  Is it worth spending as much as a quarter of a million dollars for this degree?  The rankings are prepared exclusively for Forbes by the Center for College Affordability and Productivity, a Washington, D.C. think tank founded by Ohio University economist Richard Vedder."
Title: Re: Forbes List of Best Colleges - Top 650
Post by: Hards Alumni on August 11, 2011, 07:16:48 AM
Marquette is whiter than Wisconsin.

Guess we can all stop that, honky-white-farm-boy-school crap soon, huh?
Title: Re: Forbes List of Best Colleges - Top 650
Post by: Skatastrophy on August 11, 2011, 07:18:22 AM
That ranking certainly doesn't pass the sniff test.
Title: Re: Forbes List of Best Colleges - Top 650
Post by: MerrittsMustache on August 11, 2011, 08:26:52 AM
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on August 11, 2011, 07:16:48 AM
Marquette is whiter than Wisconsin.

Guess we can all stop that, honky-white-farm-boy-school crap soon, huh?

They have a football team.
Title: Re: Forbes List of Best Colleges - Top 650
Post by: Hards Alumni on August 11, 2011, 08:47:42 AM
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on August 11, 2011, 08:26:52 AM
They have a football team.

I don't see your point.
Title: Re: Forbes List of Best Colleges - Top 650
Post by: GGGG on August 11, 2011, 08:56:02 AM
Quote from: Mayor McCheese on August 10, 2011, 10:26:42 PM
How they came up with the list - from the source itself - "quality of teaching, great career prospects, graduation rates and low levels of debt. Unlike other lists, we pointedly ignore ephemeral measures such as school “reputation” and ill-conceived metrics that reward wasteful spending. We try and evaluate the college purchase as a consumer would:  Is it worth spending as much as a quarter of a million dollars for this degree?  The rankings are prepared exclusively for Forbes by the Center for College Affordability and Productivity, a Washington, D.C. think tank founded by Ohio University economist Richard Vedder."


I don't see how they can use those criteria, then come up with Lawrence, St. Norbert and Beloit as the top colleges in Wisconsin.  If anything, Lawrence and Beloit have reputations that exceed their reality.
Title: Re: Forbes List of Best Colleges - Top 650
Post by: BrewCity83 on August 11, 2011, 10:23:28 AM
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on August 11, 2011, 07:16:48 AM
Marquette is whiter than Wisconsin.

Guess we can all stop that, honky-white-farm-boy-school crap soon, huh?

Marquette is also blacker than Wisconsin.
Title: Re: Forbes List of Best Colleges - Top 650
Post by: ringout on August 11, 2011, 12:37:18 PM
Quote from: Mayor McCheese on August 10, 2011, 10:26:42 PM
http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/#p_1_s_arank_

For just Wisconsin schools that made the 650 - here

http://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/list/#p_1_s_arank_WI


How they came up with the list - from the source itself - "quality of teaching, great career prospects, graduation rates and low levels of debt. Unlike other lists, we pointedly ignore ephemeral measures such as school "reputation" and ill-conceived metrics that reward wasteful spending. We try and evaluate the college purchase as a consumer would:  Is it worth spending as much as a quarter of a million dollars for this degree?  The rankings are prepared exclusively for Forbes by the Center for College Affordability and Productivity, a Washington, D.C. think tank founded by Ohio University economist Richard Vedder."

The only way to graduate from Lawrence with a low level of debt is if your parents are million(billion?)aires.
Title: Re: Forbes List of Best Colleges - Top 650
Post by: Mayor McCheese on August 11, 2011, 03:24:38 PM
I would just love to see Madison graduates heads explode when seeing this.

UW-Madison - amazing grad programs, mediocre undergrad programs, and so many students in HS don't understand this.
Title: Re: Forbes List of Best Colleges - Top 650
Post by: JWags85 on August 11, 2011, 03:32:33 PM
Quote from: Mayor McCheese on August 11, 2011, 03:24:38 PM
I would just love to see Madison graduates heads explode when seeing this.

UW-Madison - amazing grad programs, mediocre undergrad programs, and so many students in HS alumni and fans of UW Basketball don't understand this.

Fixed that for you
Title: Re: Forbes List of Best Colleges - Top 650
Post by: 4everwarriors on August 11, 2011, 03:55:00 PM
Cheddar,
Do you really want to get into a pissing match with Badgers debating which school is academically better?
Title: Re: Forbes List of Best Colleges - Top 650
Post by: martyconlonontherun on August 11, 2011, 05:54:04 PM
So they are basing UW's value on out-of-state tuition?
Title: Re: Forbes List of Best Colleges - Top 650
Post by: 77ncaachamps on August 12, 2011, 12:55:46 AM
Couldn't believe the tuition at UWMadison, then I clicked on the link:

# Total Annual Costc: $36,508
# In-State Tuitionc: $8,983
# Out-of-State Tuition: $24,233

Helluva deal for in-state.

For Madison they link John Menard as a notable alumnus...but he went to UW-Eau Claire.
Title: Re: Forbes List of Best Colleges - Top 650
Post by: Mayor McCheese on August 12, 2011, 02:45:00 PM
Quote from: 4everwarriors on August 11, 2011, 03:55:00 PM
Cheddar,
Do you really want to get into a pissing match with Badgers debating which school is academically better?

Considering I'm not an alumni of either MU or UW-Madison, doesn't really bother me

And to the person who tried to fix the high school students being in love with Madison, no I knew what I was saying.  I am a high school teacher - the way Juniors/Seniors in high school see Madison here in this state is unreal.  They worship the place - don't get me wrong, On a Saturday in the Fall, it is tough to top, and Mifflin Street Block Party is fantastic (I find Halloween there way overrated, just me) - but like if students can't get into Madison, they don't want to go to school is some of their feelings... it's scary.
Title: Re: Forbes List of Best Colleges - Top 650
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on August 12, 2011, 02:57:32 PM
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on August 12, 2011, 12:55:46 AM
Couldn't believe the tuition at UWMadison, then I clicked on the link:

# Total Annual Costc: $36,508
# In-State Tuitionc: $8,983
# Out-of-State Tuition: $24,233

Helluva deal for in-state.


Minnesota kids get in state tuition and vice versa thanks to reciprocity.  I don't know if Wisc. has the same deal with any other states.
Title: Re: Forbes List of Best Colleges - Top 650
Post by: GGGG on August 12, 2011, 03:00:09 PM
Wisconsin only has in-state reciprocity with Minnesota.  Except UW-Platteville can charge in-state to some students from neighboring counties in Illinois and Iowa.
Title: Re: Forbes List of Best Colleges - Top 650
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on August 12, 2011, 03:03:02 PM
Minnesota has reciprocity agreements with Wisconsin, North Dakota, and South Dakota. It also has an agreement with the Canadian province of Manitoba.
Title: Re: Forbes List of Best Colleges - Top 650
Post by: Chicago_inferiority_complexes on August 12, 2011, 03:12:40 PM
Quote from: SaintPaulWarrior on August 12, 2011, 03:03:02 PM
Minnesota has reciprocity agreements with Wisconsin, North Dakota, and South Dakota. It also has an agreement with the Canadian province of Manitoba.

Guy I work with (in Iowa, ugh) has a son getting in state tuition at St. Cloud state. Said something about if you get a certain GPA amount or class ranking, MN has some kind of agreement with IA.
Title: Re: Forbes List of Best Colleges - Top 650
Post by: SaintPaulWarrior on August 12, 2011, 03:20:02 PM
Quote from: warrior07 on August 12, 2011, 03:12:40 PM
Guy I work with (in Iowa, ugh) has a son getting in state tuition at St. Cloud state. Said something about if you get a certain GPA amount or class ranking, MN has some kind of agreement with IA.

There's no statewide reciprocal agreement between Minnesota and Iowa.   Several Minnesota colleges charge resident tuition rates to students from any state, including Iowa. Students should apply directly to the college they choose to attend.

Probably certain schools and certain GPA's/rankings.
Title: Re: Forbes List of Best Colleges - Top 650
Post by: Ari Gold on August 15, 2011, 05:24:22 PM
Quote from: ringout on August 11, 2011, 12:37:18 PM
The only way to graduate from Lawrence with a low level of debt is if your parents are million(billion?)aires.

heh

I refuse to believe that St. Norberts or Lawrence is at all better than MU
Title: Re: Forbes List of Best Colleges - Top 650
Post by: Goose on August 15, 2011, 05:34:11 PM
Have had kids at both schools and hate to say it but bang for the buck UW wins. My son hated every second there but a great bargain for quality education. My advice to all younger Warrior fans...if you want your child to attend MU start saving NOW.
Wish I had sent my kids to public grade school and high school and saved the dough for MU. Just my two cents on the topic. FYI--my son spent 1 1/2 years at MU and finished at UW and he felt UW was far better academically. That said he still hated the place.
Title: Re: Forbes List of Best Colleges - Top 650
Post by: marqfan22 on August 16, 2011, 08:47:57 AM
goose,

the last two years at any college are harder academically.
Title: Re: Forbes List of Best Colleges - Top 650
Post by: GGGG on August 16, 2011, 08:54:31 AM
Quote from: marqfan22 on August 16, 2011, 08:47:57 AM
goose,

the last two years at any college are harder academically.


I wouldn't say "harder," I would say more rewarding.  You are concentrating in your major, something you should have interest in, and you are dealing more one-on-one with your professors.  Marquette is just as good academically at the undergraduate level.  UW is one of the elite graduate schools in the country, and in some subjects, the world.
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