It's almost comical that none of the Marquette fan websites nor the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel had anything to write about during the July evaluation period. Nothing. If not for posters looking up articles or looking at twitter accounts for coverage, nobody would know who MU watched this July.
In contrast, the Rivals site for Wisconsin, BadgerBlitz, has stories and videos of potential Badger recruits from Wisconsin AAU tournaments. I know Wisconsin tends to be more Midwest driven in it's recruiting and they are to the point where they are focused on one or two players, but to have ZERO coverage for Marquette is an absolute joke.
You could argue that two of the top 10 July AAU events took place at Mequon's Homestead High School. If you took the Nike Lebron Camp, the Adidas Invitational, the Reebok event, the Nike Peach Jam, the two tournaments in Las Vegas, the two in Orlando and the Best of Summer in Anaheim, the two NY2LA events were as good as any of the rest that occurred and were definitely in the top 12, yet there was not one writeup except for a Marquette student who wrote up a report for another website or Mark Miller writing about Wisconsin kids.
If you are a recruit participating in the NY2LA tournaments and McGary was one of the players who participated, do you wonder how much of a draw Marquette basketball is when there is no local coverage in the newspaper and none of the fan websites covers it?
Sad and the Journal-Sentinel is wondering why people are buying newspapers and others wonder why people complain about subscription sites.
According to the "other board," they count 29 outstanding offers. From now until September 9 is a "quiet period," with officials and in-home visits beginning afterwards. My guess is that Buzz and crew are going to narrow that 29 down, and have it further narrowed down for them, and we will be hearing quite a bit when fall begins.
Quote from: TedBaxter on August 01, 2011, 06:10:58 AM
It's almost comical that none of the Marquette fan websites nor the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel had anything to write about during the July evaluation period. Nothing. If not for posters looking up articles or looking at twitter accounts for coverage, nobody would know who MU watched this July.
In contrast, the Rivals site for Wisconsin, BadgerBlitz, has stories and videos of potential Badger recruits from Wisconsin AAU tournaments. I know Wisconsin tends to be more Midwest driven in it's recruiting and they are to the point where they are focused on one or two players, but to have ZERO coverage for Marquette is an absolute joke.
You could argue that two of the top 10 July AAU events took place at Mequon's Homestead High School. If you took the Nike Lebron Camp, the Adidas Invitational, the Reebok event, the Nike Peach Jam, the two tournaments in Las Vegas, the two in Orlando and the Best of Summer in Anaheim, the two NY2LA events were as good as any of the rest that occurred and were definitely in the top 12, yet there was not one writeup except for a Marquette student who wrote up a report for another website or Mark Miller writing about Wisconsin kids.
If you are a recruit participating in the NY2LA tournaments and McGary was one of the players who participated, do you wonder how much of a draw Marquette basketball is when there is no local coverage in the newspaper and none of the fan websites covers it?
Sad and the Journal-Sentinel is wondering why people are buying newspapers and others wonder why people complain about subscription sites.
If July was quiet, it was for a reason.
I saw plenty of mentions of our Big East brethren both in recruiting interest articles and recruit commitment articles. Some programs are just flat out getting it done. Others are seemingly preoccupied by issues that remain fresh in their origin. Hell, even UConn seems to be handling their dysfunction better than us.
Truthfully, about a week ago, I had assumed we were done with 2012 since there's nary been a peep on any recruit committing to the MU program this summer. Could be worse though: could be last summer when we missed on the 'high five'.
MU didn't land its first recruit for 2011 until October (Juan). We already have one for 2012 (Ferguson) plus a transfer (Taylor). With only two scholies left, I think it is a little early for us to be worried about "getting it done."
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on August 01, 2011, 08:07:57 AM
If July was quiet, it was for a reason.
I saw plenty of mentions of our Big East brethren both in recruiting interest articles and recruit commitment articles. Some programs are just flat out getting it done. Others are seemingly preoccupied by issues that remain fresh in their origin. Hell, even UConn seems to be handling their dysfunction better than us.
Truthfully, about a week ago, I had assumed we were done with 2012 since there's nary been a peep on any recruit committing to the MU program this summer. Could be worse though: could be last summer when we missed on the 'high five'.
Don't quite understand your comments. It was well known that Buzz was in Vegas recruiting. He and the staff have been around the country. Because we do not have articles, that means the staff is not getting it done? Logic 101 failed you.
The original post by Ted is that the MU sites and local press do not cover MU recruiting the way other sites for other programs do. We do not see articles on recruits that are of MU interest on any site. As Ted mentioned, 2 of the bigger tournies were in our backyard, yet no coverage. Everyone see's the links to other website's programs, none seem to come from a MU based site. That was his point.
There are plenty of articles about Marquette recruiting if you look around. I don't bother to post them because I don't find it interesting to discuss potential recruits that are listing 10-20 programs that they supposedly have offers from. If you want articles about kids mentioning Marquette, there are plenty of them out there.
Hmm...I don't think it's been any quieter than usual. We're still being regularly linked with Steve Taylor, Shaquille Cleare, Kris Dunn, and Mitch McGary. New names, like Buddy Hield, Zena Edosomwan, Terry Brutus and Zach Auguste are being mentioned with us frequently. And future stars like Kevon Looney and Tyus Jones are mentioning us as having made offers for as far out as 2014.
The quiet period has officially started, hopefully we'll get some guys on campus for unofficial visits, then get those last two 2012 scholarships filled by October. My bet is that within three months, we'll have a much clearer picture of our 2012 recruiting class.
I could not agree more. That's the problem when there is a lack of competition. The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel is the only game in town. Therefore, there is no real incentive to make big effort on the Marquette beat.
Todd Rosiak does a nice job during the season, but once it ends, the coverage disappears. Rarely do you see a story about a potential recruiting, etc. Journalism has gotten lazier over the last 10 years. That's why you've seen such a rise in sites such as this one.
What does Rosiak do the other six months of the year?
You have it wrong. The rise of info on the internet has caused newspapers to struggle. Not vice versa. And MJS knows that an article on MU recruiting has a limited audience and that audience gets their info off the internet anyway. I actually think MJS has improved quite a bit over the last decade. Do you know how bad some newspapers are out there?
Do you think that the philly paper has extended nova coverage this time of year for instance? (I checked - they don't)
Rosiak helps out hardricourt on brewers coverage. I think MJS used to have a national baseball reporter who they didn't replace and now hardricourt fills that role partially with rosiak doing some simple game reports. Makes sense since there is little overlap to their seasons.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on August 01, 2011, 08:07:57 AM
If July was quiet, it was for a reason.
I saw plenty of mentions of our Big East brethren both in recruiting interest articles and recruit commitment articles. Some programs are just flat out getting it done. Others are seemingly preoccupied by issues that remain fresh in their origin. Hell, even UConn seems to be handling their dysfunction better than us.
Truthfully, about a week ago, I had assumed we were done with 2012 since there's nary been a peep on any recruit committing to the MU program this summer. Could be worse though: could be last summer when we missed on the 'high five'.
And what was the reason July was "quiet" in your opinion? You do realize that 65% of the Top 100 remain non-committed at this point, right? Which programs in your expert view are just flat out getting it done?
The bigger issue could be, that it could be reverting back to what we were in the Tom Crean years - capable of landing 1 good recruiting class only every 4 years - right?? Where our high five list would include maybe 1 five star and 1 4-star, neither of whom would choose us...at least Buzz has been able to land Top 100 kids in 3 straight classes - something his predecessor failed to do.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 01, 2011, 09:47:03 AM
You have it wrong. The rise of info on the internet has caused newspapers to struggle. Not vice versa. And MJS knows that an article on MU recruiting has a limited audience and that audience gets their info off the internet anyway. I actually think MJS has improved quite a bit over the last decade. Do you know how bad some newspapers are out there?
Do you think that the philly paper has extended nova coverage this time of year for instance? (I checked - they don't)
Respect your opinion but couldn't disagree more. Do most of these sites have any access to Buzz, the administration, fellow reporters, etc? Of course not. Most of these sites are pure conjecture.
As for the argument about there not being a big audience, that's a different discussion. I agree there is not a huge audience for Marquette recruiting but it's the niche stuff that is working today. Game stories are fading in importance. The future is in the details.
Quote from: Ners on August 01, 2011, 09:58:03 AM
And what was the reason July was "quiet" in your opinion? You do realize that 65% of the Top 100 remain non-committed at this point, right? Which programs in your expert view are just flat out getting it done?
The bigger issue could be, that it could be reverting back to what we were in the Tom Crean years - capable of landing 1 good recruiting class only every 4 years - right?? Where our high five list would include maybe 1 five star and 1 4-star, neither of whom would choose us...at least Buzz has been able to land Top 100 kids in 3 straight classes - something his predecessor failed to do.
If Hoopaloop chimes in here, we'll know who he is for sure.
I'm not a subscriber to the premium board on the other site, and I really don't want to start into a debate whether it's worth it or not (some people obviously feel it's worth it, so great for them). However, I just assumed that most of the people that had more interest in recruiting info were discussing it there, which left fewer table scraps for the rest of us.
IWB doesn't provide much info anymore on the premium board so subscribers pay for the privilege of sharing info they dig up on the net with each other.
Quote from: Boone on August 01, 2011, 12:31:27 PM
IWB doesn't provide much info anymore on the premium board so subscribers pay for the privilege of sharing info they dig up on the net with each other.
Yeah, not sure why. YoungMUFan is good at finding stuff, he clearly does a lot of research, but outside of him, there's really not much there :-\
Someone recently started a thread there entitled "Why do I pay for this premium forum?" Given the lack of "insider" info passed along, why indeed?
Quote from: ringout on August 01, 2011, 10:16:20 AM
If Hoopaloop chimes in here, we'll know who he is for sure.
LOL - I was setting a trap..you gave it away now! Golden Avalanche is about is negative as they come on Buzz, yet very supportive of Crean...so just as he wants to tweak those of us with his normal pessimistic posts on Buzz's recruiting...I feel compelled to tweak back with pointing out his guy Crean wasn't exactly a home run hitter on the recruiting trail EVERY YEAR at MU. Ultimately I'm sure this is why he left, as he struck out so much, and felt going to IU would make his home run rate improve...which it has. Recruiting to MU isn't as easy as many of us alum/fans would like to think/hope.
Quote from: Ners on August 01, 2011, 01:18:20 PM
LOL - I was setting a trap..you gave it away now! Golden Avalanche is about is negative as they come on Buzz, yet very supportive of Crean...so just as he wants to tweak those of us with his normal pessimistic posts on Buzz's recruiting...I feel compelled to tweak back with pointing out his guy Crean wasn't exactly a home run hitter on the recruiting trail EVERY YEAR at MU. Ultimately I'm sure this is why he left, as he struck out so much, and felt going to IU would make his home run rate improve...which it has. Recruiting to MU isn't as easy as many of us alum/fans would like to think/hope.
Sorry man.
Quote from: ringout on August 01, 2011, 01:24:38 PM
Sorry man.
No worries..was just kidding...but your analysis was astute!
Quote from: Warrior Forever on August 01, 2011, 10:12:21 AM
Respect your opinion but couldn't disagree more. Do most of these sites have any access to Buzz, the administration, fellow reporters, etc? Of course not. Most of these sites are pure conjecture.
As for the argument about there not being a big audience, that's a different discussion. I agree there is not a huge audience for Marquette recruiting but it's the niche stuff that is working today. Game stories are fading in importance. The future is in the details.
So, would you subscribe to the print edition of the MJS if they had more in-depth recruiting articles on MU basketball?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 01, 2011, 01:54:23 PM
So, would you subscribe to the print edition of the MJS if they had more in-depth recruiting articles on MU basketball?
Right now it would be the only place to get it. I would definitely... wait for one of you guys to scan it and post the articles to MUScoop? :p
I'm willing to take next July off if you guys pay for me to fly around the country and write journals on recruits ;D
Quote from: Ners on August 01, 2011, 01:18:20 PM
LOL - I was setting a trap..you gave it away now! Golden Avalanche is about is negative as they come on Buzz, yet very supportive of Crean...so just as he wants to tweak those of us with his normal pessimistic posts on Buzz's recruiting...I feel compelled to tweak back with pointing out his guy Crean wasn't exactly a home run hitter on the recruiting trail EVERY YEAR at MU. Ultimately I'm sure this is why he left, as he struck out so much, and felt going to IU would make his home run rate improve...which it has. Recruiting to MU isn't as easy as many of us alum/fans would like to think/hope.
Sounds like just the tactic we need to stop all of our threads from degrading into those tired debates of the past.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on August 01, 2011, 02:56:06 PM
I'm willing to take next July off if you guys pay for me to fly around the country and write journals on recruits ;D
What would your crack-head wife say about that?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on August 01, 2011, 02:56:06 PM
I'm willing to take next July off if you guys pay for me to fly around the country and write journals on recruits ;D
I'll offer the same deal for European recruits. You guys can pay me to take a month off to travel around Europe to follow potential international recruits. :)
You guys can make fun of it, but the coverage SUCKS!!!
The second July NY2LA event at Homestead High School had 3 of the top 5 rated high school players in the 2012 class in the pre-summer rankings by both Scout and Rivals, including the young man both websites had as the pre-summer #1 player, Shabazz Muhammed and nobody covered it in the Milwaukee press.
This isn't rocket science and you don't even have to interview the kid at an event. You could watch who the MU coaches were watching and then talk to the AAU coach either at the event, by phone or by email. Just a simple article on who the kid is looking at and a few tidbits about recruiting timetable, playing ability, high school season, etc.. Interviewing the AAU coach is how you get around the booster-high school player interraction that the NCAA doesn't like.
Quote from: TedBaxter on August 02, 2011, 05:57:31 AMYou guys can make fun of it, but the coverage SUCKS!!!
The second July NY2LA event at Homestead High School had 3 of the top 5 rated high school players in the 2012 class in the pre-summer rankings by both Scout and Rivals, including the young man both websites had as the pre-summer #1 player, Shabazz Muhammed and nobody covered it in the Milwaukee press.
This isn't rocket science and you don't even have to interview the kid at an event. You could watch who the MU coaches were watching and then talk to the AAU coach either at the event, by phone or by email. Just a simple article on who the kid is looking at and a few tidbits about recruiting timetable, playing ability, high school season, etc.. Interviewing the AAU coach is how you get around the booster-high school player interraction that the NCAA doesn't like.
I'm honestly curious...which other local newspapers are you comparing them to? In Atlanta, Las Vegas, and other big cities with AAU events are there local journalists out there? I'm just wondering where the local interest is. Would their target market be interested in a bunch of teenage kids from all over the country playing? If it was a McDonald's All-American game type thing, I could see it, but when you are talking about 30+ teams at one event, I just don't think the local interest is there.
That's what sites like Rivals and Scout are there for, so you have a media outlet that covers it. But they need high subscription fees to offset the costs because there simply aren't enough people out there to get them the advertising dollars it would take to run it for a lower price. Like it or not, I really don't think there's enough local interest to justify local coverage.
I'm not talking extensive coverage even, just a mention of some kind would have been better than nothing.
Ted....you should actually read the paper then:
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/preps/125050944.html
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/preps/125391893.html
Well, I stand corrected that there wasn't a mention. Thanks.
IWB and Mark Miller used to be gold mines back in the Crean days. Buzz keeps it close to the vest.
Scout pay board is pretty much locals paying to share info with each other. Usually other sites premium info.
Which makes me laugh when they deride a guy for bringing info from scout board to this board.
scouts coverage usually sucked, Rivals was superior. If MU had a thriving board at Rivals i'd get an MU sub there because Jerry Meyer has solid info, good national boards.
Quote from: Stone Cold on August 02, 2011, 08:24:20 AM
IWB and Mark Miller used to be gold mines back in the Crean days. Buzz keeps it close to the vest.
I totally agree. Last time I said that "Buzz plays it close to the vest" I had people all over my butt here on the forums. Maybe they've changed their mind by now?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 01, 2011, 01:54:23 PM
So, would you subscribe to the print edition of the MJS if they had more in-depth recruiting articles on MU basketball?
I would factor that into my decision, absolutely.
Quote from: Stone Cold on August 02, 2011, 08:24:20 AM
IWB and Mark Miller used to be gold mines back in the Crean days. Buzz keeps it close to the vest.
Scout pay board is pretty much locals paying to share info with each other. Usually other sites premium info.
Which makes me laugh when they deride a guy for bringing info from scout board to this board.
scouts coverage usually sucked, Rivals was superior. If MU had a thriving board at Rivals i'd get an MU sub there because Jerry Meyer has solid info, good national boards.
What about IWB's more contacts than Bausch and Laumb!! The Scout board used to tout him as a big outsider and recruiting guru. His one big claim to fame was driving to Indiana to watch Dominic James after he committed. $10 a month got all his info. I think after he realized there was not real money in it he bailed.
I will agree though that the websites from the bigger school , be it Rivals or scout that have bigger fan bases and bigger subscriptions and revenues do have an advantage. You cannot deny that when a site moderator calls and interviews a recruit and then there is a big feature on the website it does not help in the whole process. How much I dont know but a big article and then thousands of posters stating how much they would love having a kid cant hurt that schools chances.
Georgi Dieng is a decent example of that during his recruitment they were in seemingly constatnt contact with him with Q n A artcicle and tens of thousands of posts about him. Nothing from the MU boards except people posting info they gathered from the Louisville website. Is that the single reason why he ultimately chose Louisville? Probably not but it sure didnt hurt
Pretty sure IWB still has decent contacts, but for whatever reason he rarely makes his scoops public. Just find it funny that people are still willing to subscribe to a board where the members have to do ALL of the heavy lifting.
You do realize that Buzz talking about who he is recruiting would be a violation. The only information about recruiting can come from players or their high school coaches. There is a reason you see Adam Zongoria list who the players say are recruiting them. He does not list who the coach says he is recruiting. What you do not know is whether Buzz has any serious interest in player A. Buzz may of said hi to player A and sent him some literature, but does Buzz really have any serious interest in that player. Maybe, if the player shows improvement or the top targets are lost. That is why I do not bother to pay for the premium board. MU has two scholarships and I do not need to know all 50 players that Buzz may be recruiting. Let me know when MU is in the player's final 3.
IWB has more contacts than just Buzz, or before him, Crean.
They were getting their info from somebody connected as Mark Miller and IWB used to give winks or suggest commits before they happened. Doesn't happen as often these days.
Just wanted to add I respect IWB, he was giving out free info back in the day on the rivals board. To me that shows he was dedicated to MU and wasn't doing this to swindle MU fans from a dime or two.
Same reason I have great respect for the guys who own/run this board.
Dodds on the other hand.... what does he even do really?
Dude never even sent me the all enchanting '77 DVD when I was a subscriber, swindled again.
The great thing about the insider board is that you pay per month but have no idea whether the product is competitive with other insider boards or not since you likely dont subscribe to other schools. Shortly after I read both UConn and Syracuse's boards through some of my friends, I decided to cancel. FWIW, Scout is about 80% football and 20% bball. They just hired about a dozen attractive girls from different regions to drive around their assigned location and interview football players from 1 star to 5 stars. Then, their articles get tagged to certain school sites. Obviously, there are a lot more fball recruits than there are bball recruits thus more content. UConn's board didnt have their own insider but the top bball guys at scout would post often. At Cuse, they have an insider to their bball program that calls the shots well before the news hits the wire. Just didnt think marquettehoops.com was up to snuff.
I have thought about this and I am sure it probably would not be a wise move. However, given how the Jouranl Sentinal went after MU's reputation, I would not give them press passes to MU games.
Quote from: Stone Cold on August 02, 2011, 08:24:20 AM
IWB and Mark Miller used to be gold mines back in the Crean days. Buzz keeps it close to the vest.
Not sure that I concur that this is the reason for IWB and Mark Miller. They still have their contacts, just choosing not to report it there as frequently, IMHO.
Quote from: bilsu on August 02, 2011, 01:38:57 PM
I have thought about this and I am sure it probably would not be a wise move. However, given how the Jouranl Sentinal went after MU's reputation, I would not give them press passes to MU games.
That would just give them more ammunition and more reason to come after us. When Marquette failed to get ahead of the story, the only option was to take the lumps that were coming and let it run its course. Guys like Rosiak still do a good job, and the idiots that take Mike Hunt seriously probably weren't going to be donating money to Marquette any time soon anyway. It's pretty much all blown over now, all we should hear from it in the future is when it comes up as a new AD is hired.
Quote from: bilsu on August 02, 2011, 01:38:57 PM
I have thought about this and I am sure it probably would not be a wise move. However, given how the Jouranl Sentinal went after MU's reputation, I would not give them press passes to MU games.
Not a good move. As a previous supervisor of mine once said "never pick a fight with a company that buys their ink by the barrel." You will never win that fight.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on August 02, 2011, 08:59:00 AM
I totally agree. Last time I said that "Buzz plays it close to the vest" I had people all over my butt here on the forums. Maybe they've changed their mind by now?
I don't think "people" were all over your butt.
Pretty sure it was just me who said it's a bullshit statement and then IWB quoted your post and wrote that it wasn't exactly true.
Buzz' top targets were well known last summer and well talked about in this forum. Not sure how that jibes with keeping everything "close to the vest" but I'm sure someone will explain it.
Besides, there is no correlation between the belief that Buzz is more secretive than the FSB and a lack of newspaper articles.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on August 02, 2011, 02:27:45 PM
I don't think "people" were all over your butt.
Please step away from my butt.
when buzz is at tourneys or reporters talk to prospects we know who is considering us.
what i mean by close to the vest is scout isn't getting early leaks on commits, like we did with D James, Mathhews, etc. I think Cadougan might have been but that was IWB on sportsbubbler. Guys like Ferguson, R. Smith, D. Gardner we all get confirmation on commits at the same time, free and scout premium.
What about IWB's more contacts than Bausch and Laumb!! The Scout board used to tout him as a big outsider and recruiting guru. His one big claim to fame was driving to Indiana to watch Dominic James after he committed. $10 a month got all his info. I think after he realized there was not real money in it he bailed.
Wow - I love it when people take shots at me, especially when they are behind screen names. I usually don't comment in threads like this on any board, but there is a line in here that got me. "His one big claim to fame was driving to Indiana to watch Dominic James". Really? That is my one big claim to fame? No, it wasn't that I watched MU rcruits like Chris Grimm play in Michigan, or Johnny Wolf in Ohio, or Ryan Amoroso in Minnesota, or recruits like Brandon Ewing, Dameon Mason & Jerel McNeal play in Illinois..... couldn't be any of those things. Hell, when the IHSAA decided that Ooze couldn't play in high school, I went down to interview him and watched Simeon play Julian with him.
I had built up a network of high school, college and AAU coaches from coast to coast. I went to AAU tourneys and high school games, open gyms and individual workouts. I provided and traded information with most of the national recruiting experts that you are familiar with. To this day, I have college coaches from several different programs call me an ask for my opinions on kids.
In 2008 I left MarquetteHoops when I started with the Milwaukee Journal. I am no longer with the Journal but just because I don't post the way I used to, just because I don't work for another site right now doesn't mean I don't have a handle on things, doesn't me I don't know what is going on.
So, I have done more than just "drive to see Dominic James in Indiana" Canadien Dimes, how about you?
Quote from: IWB on August 04, 2011, 04:33:37 PMNo, it wasn't that I watched MU rcruits like Chris Grimm play in Michigan, or Johnny Wolf in Ohio, or Ryan Amoroso in Minnesota, or recruits like Brandon Ewing, Dameon Mason & Jerel McNeal play in Illinois..... couldn't be any of those things. Hell, when the IHSAA decided that Ooze couldn't play in high school, I went down to interview him and watched Simeon play Julian with him.
I had built up a network of high school, college and AAU coaches from coast to coast. I went to AAU tourneys and high school games, open gyms and individual workouts. I provided and traded information with most of the national recruiting experts that you are familiar with. To this day, I have college coaches from several different programs call me an ask for my opinions on kids.
Jim--did you go to Marquette? Just wondering about rules regarding conducting interviews with recruits before fall classes start. Seems like the NCAA would class you as a booster if you went to MU. I've been wondering this regarding pretty much all the recruiting pundits...figure if they went to college, any contact between them and potential recruits (even if it isn't regarding the school they went to) would be seen as off-limits by the NCAA. How is that handled?
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 04, 2011, 04:38:38 PM
Jim--did you go to Marquette? Just wondering about rules regarding conducting interviews with recruits before fall classes start. Seems like the NCAA would class you as a booster if you went to MU. I've been wondering this regarding pretty much all the recruiting pundits...figure if they went to college, any contact between them and potential recruits (even if it isn't regarding the school they went to) would be seen as off-limits by the NCAA. How is that handled?
Well for every knucklehead who thinks you're worthless, there are 20 more in the weeds who appreciate the work you do to help spread the word to people out of the know, especially with the pro-am.
Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on August 04, 2011, 05:58:14 PMWell for every knucklehead who thinks you're worthless, there are 20 more in the weeds who appreciate the work you do to help spread the word to people out of the know, especially with the pro-am.
And +1 to that.
You do not have to be an alum to be considered a booster. I do believe there is an exception for reporters including those on sites like Scout.
Dear IWB,
Please ignore Canadian Dimes. Everyone else does. :)
You can't hate on people for "hiding behind screen names." It's the Internet. The whole "insult me to my face" argument is like "my dad can beat up your dad" in a way. Just saying.
I will fight you in person, though. You can choose the weapons. It will be in World of Warcraft instead of real life, though, so I hope you're level 85 brah.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on August 04, 2011, 07:22:46 PM
Dear IWB,
Please ignore Canadian Dimes. Everyone else does. :)
You can't hate on people for "hiding behind screen names." It's the Internet. The whole "insult me to my face" argument is like "my dad can beat up your dad" in a way. Just saying.
I will fight you in person, though. You can choose the weapons. It will be in World of Warcraft instead of real life, though, so I hope you're level 85 brah.
Clearly you were watching South Park when you wrote this.
First off, I don't hate people for hiding behind screen names, its just that the majority of people that continuously take shots at others are the same people that do 'hide" behind those names.
As far as my status goes, first off, I did not go to MU, I am not a booster, nor am I a season ticket holder. With that out of the way, I am viewed as a member of the media and over the years have been credentialed by Marquette, Wisconsin (football & basketball) UWM, UWGB, Milwaukee Bucks, Milwaukee brewers, Green Bay Packers, the Admirals, Wave, the NCAA, the Big East, the Big Ten (football and basketball) and USA Basketball, so the NCAA would not have an issue with me. As it is, I am also a certified NCAA event director.
Quote from: IWB on August 04, 2011, 08:17:37 PM
First off, I don't hate people for hiding behind screen names, its just that the majority of people that continuously take shots at others are the same people that do 'hide" behind those names.
As far as my status goes, first off, I did not go to MU, I am not a booster, nor am I a season ticket holder. With that out of the way, I am viewed as a member of the media and over the years have been credentialed by Marquette, Wisconsin (football & basketball) UWM, UWGB, Milwaukee Bucks, Milwaukee brewers, Green Bay Packers, the Admirals, Wave, the NCAA, the Big East, the Big Ten (football and basketball) and USA Basketball, so the NCAA would not have an issue with me. As it is, I am also a certified NCAA event director.
I've always found you to be accurate and generous in sharing information about MU. Don't know why anyone here (or anywhere else) would do anything but thank you.
Thanks Lenny's, it is appreciated, and not just because I used to play softball for Lenny's Tap!
Quote from: Warrior Forever on August 01, 2011, 09:41:39 AM
I could not agree more. That's the problem when there is a lack of competition. The Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel is the only game in town. Therefore, there is no real incentive to make big effort on the Marquette beat.
Todd Rosiak does a nice job during the season, but once it ends, the coverage disappears. Rarely do you see a story about a potential recruiting, etc. Journalism has gotten lazier over the last 10 years. That's why you've seen such a rise in sites such as this one.
Yeah. Where's Rosiak? He should be all over recruiting updates in the offseason as the Marquette b-ball beat writer. Get with it, Todd
Todd is pulling Brewers duty this summer. The Journal always had two guys on the Brewers, Haudricourt and Witrado. Witrado went with Garry Howard to The Sporting News, and Rosiak picked up Witrado's Brewers assignments.
Hey, props to TedBaxter. Obviously his complaining got the ball rolling on the recruiting talk. This group has been more interesting to read in the last 48 hours than it has been all summer!
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 05, 2011, 08:23:01 AM
Hey, props to TedBaxter. Obviously his complaining got the ball rolling on the recruiting talk. This group has been more interesting to read in the last 48 hours than it has been all summer!
+1000 on all points.
Not that the Journal-Sentinel or the Marquette fan websites would ever be able to generate the number or articles or tweets that the Louisville sites do, but just for grins, go to the Louisville Courier-Journal website or the Louisville Scout site and just look at the amount of team and recruiting news the newspaper and website put out. Demling covers Kentucky and Indiana schools as well as Louisville and he and Mike Hughes have something new almost every day.
Jeff Rabjohn's from the Indiana Rivals site even went to Vegas and watched Indiana recruits in action last month as well as covering the Adidas Invitational.
Yesterday Rob Schultz had an article in the Wisconsin State Journal about their big men. Their Scout and Rivals sites have articles every week or every other week it seems on recruiting. Yesterday, MU target Matt Thomas from Onalaska was profiled on the Wisconsin Scout site and he doesn't even have a UW offer yet.
I know the money isn't the same for subscriptions to the Marquette Hoops site as those above and that the Journal-Sentinel covers the Packers, Brewers and Badgers in the summer, but to say the coverage is below average is about as nice as I can say it.
Quote from: IWB on August 04, 2011, 09:25:59 PM
Thanks Lenny's, it is appreciated, and not just because I used to play softball for Lenny's Tap!
Hey IWB. I'm just disappointed there is not more of you and Mark Miller on the Scout Insider board. You two and BMA have the most credibility in my opinion. TedBaxter adds value too. Don't give up on us.
Quote from: dbwarriors on August 04, 2011, 11:07:31 PM
Yeah. Where's Rosiak? He should be all over recruiting updates in the offseason as the Marquette b-ball beat writer. Get with it, Todd
Yeah he is the Brewers beat writer now with Haudricourt. Travels road trips, home games, the whole nine yards, Guy is going on a year straight with no vacation traveling around the country. Brewers postseason race>Marquette summer recruiting/open gyms in terms of importance. Simple fact
Simple fix is to get a Twitter Marquette feed gatherer (I don't know the tech term for it).
All of my favorite CBB analysts and recruiting gurus sometimes mention Marquette. Sometimes you'll read tweets mentioning Buzz and/or assistants in the house to watch a certain team and/or player.
I even follow Marquette fans who retweet other sources' info on MU recruits.
There are tons of MU mentions...ON Twitter.
If there was a box that could continually update Twitter feeds with Marquette mentions, I bet our OP wouldn't be posting this thread.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on August 05, 2011, 08:59:19 PM
If there was a box that could continually update Twitter feeds with Marquette mentions, I bet our OP wouldn't be posting this thread.
Don't know that I agree with this part of the comment. Ted was not commenting that he was lacking information. His direction was more towards the lack of "press" MU receives - in the paper
and on the webpages. Ted is far from lacking on information. Trust me. ;)
Quote from: MUMac on August 05, 2011, 09:36:28 PM
Don't know that I agree with this part of the comment. Ted was not commenting that he was lacking information. His direction was more towards the lack of "press" MU receives - in the paper and on the webpages. Ted is far from lacking on information. Trust me. ;)
Gotcha.
But if the dude checked Twitter, he'd have more than a handful of MU content.
Much of which is mentioned at Scoop and some that aren't.
Listen, I check twitter all the time and that's not the issue. There's the listing of players getting offers on twitter and then there's articles on players getting offers where you find out what school(s) really stand out with a player, possibly what the player is like off the floor, what he is working on to improve and maybe some tidbit about the players background that can shed some light on him as a person.
The last MU recruiting article from a Marquette/Milwaukee area site was Jim Ganzer's story on Steve Taylor's (Simeon High School) unofficial visit to MU nearly two months ago on Marquette Hoops.
Do you think there have been more players who've been to the McGuire Center since this article came out in the June and now the August contact periods? Gabe York was one visitor before he verballed to Arizona and I've heard mention of more and some of those have been on twitter and others haven't been. If Marquette had a newspaper and website really focused on all aspects of the program 12 months a year, we could know more and frankly should know more, but that's my opinion based only on what I've seen from coverage of other Big East and Big Ten schools.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on August 01, 2011, 08:07:57 AM
If July was quiet, it was for a reason.
I saw plenty of mentions of our Big East brethren both in recruiting interest articles and recruit commitment articles. Some programs are just flat out getting it done. Others are seemingly preoccupied by issues that remain fresh in their origin. Hell, even UConn seems to be handling their dysfunction better than us.
Truthfully, about a week ago, I had assumed we were done with 2012 since there's nary been a peep on any recruit committing to the MU program this summer. Could be worse though: could be last summer when we missed on the 'high five'.
Curious to know your reaction to the Steve Taylor signing? Is adding the 3rd 4-star talent for this class enough to satisfy you? (Who also happens to be rated the Number player in Illinois, be 6'8", and play at the premier hoops school in Chicago?)
Are we flat out getting it done or do you still have complaints??
Can someone send me an alert when a Journal-Sentinel article comes out about the Taylor verbal? No, I don't consider the little blurb yesterday an article.
Hope everyone understands what I'm referring to now and yes, a Sunday verbal doesn't lend itself to quick journalism, but the Chicago paper(s) had articles with quotes.
Quote from: TedBaxter on August 08, 2011, 01:01:13 PM
Can someone send me an alert when a Journal-Sentinel article comes out about the Taylor verbal? No, I don't consider the little blurb yesterday an article.
Hope everyone understands what I'm referring to now and yes, a Sunday verbal doesn't lend itself to quick journalism, but the Chicago paper(s) had articles with quotes.
I get all of my MU news by setting up a Google News alert. You may not want MU bball news from all over the nation because it gets to be a bit much, but I like it. For what you're asking, I'd set this up:
Go to: http://www.google.com/alerts
Enter the search term "marquette steve taylor site:jsonline.com"
I realize that this is a bit too much instruction for a silly request, but it's something that I'm sure you'll find useful if you're looking for specific news in the future but you'd rather not do the leg-work every day. Hope that helps :)
Quote from: TedBaxter on August 08, 2011, 01:01:13 PM
Can someone send me an alert when a Journal-Sentinel article comes out about the Taylor verbal? No, I don't consider the little blurb yesterday an article.
Hope everyone understands what I'm referring to now and yes, a Sunday verbal doesn't lend itself to quick journalism, but the Chicago paper(s) had articles with quotes.
The MU beat reporter was in Houston covering the Brewer game.
I understand Todd Rosiak was away and the rest of the staff was probably in Green Bay.
Listen, I'm going overboard on this for a point. I told a friend of mine today that if Bronson Koenig ends up committing to Wisconsin on a Sunday and there is only a small blurb about it like there was about Steve Taylor yesterday, I'll buy him dinner at Ruth's Chris Steakhouse and I'm pretty sure I won't have to worry about that.
Rosiak was in Houston, but I understand your point.
You people and your lofty journalistic expectations .. you can't blame Rosiak if no one called him with the news so he could write about it. Sheesh.
Quote from: TedBaxter on August 08, 2011, 02:18:08 PM
I understand Todd Rosiak was away and the rest of the staff was probably in Green Bay.
Listen, I'm going overboard on this for a point. I told a friend of mine today that if Bronson Koenig ends up committing to Wisconsin on a Sunday and there is only a small blurb about it like there was about Steve Taylor yesterday, I'll buy him dinner at Ruth's Chris Steakhouse and I'm pretty sure I won't have to worry about that.
I agree the coverage/blurb was pretty lame in the MJS - However, in your above example...since Koenig is a Wisconsin kid...it would only be reasonable to expect that it would get more ink than signing a Chicago kid. However, I'd still suggest that if UW did land the Number 1 high school prospect out of Illinois, it would have garnered a lot more ink than what we've seen with Taylor and MU.
At the end of the day, I'm just happy that we definitely aren't inferior to UW in our recruiting ability, and are trending toward being superior. Granted, Bo does have a good one coming in, in Sam Dekker - on the balance, I'd say the MU roster is more talented top to bottom without a doubt. Hopefully that shows up on the court this year, and the next several. (I believe it will.)
I am not sure UW and MU have ever been more different in their approach on the basketball court. I mean, we barely even recruit against them any longer. Dekker and Taylor are examples. Neither school considered the other player - neither player considered the other school - but both will be formidable on the court.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 08, 2011, 02:52:58 PM
I am not sure UW and MU have ever been more different in their approach on the basketball court. I mean, we barely even recruit against them any longer. Dekker and Taylor are examples. Neither school considered the other player - neither player considered the other school - but both will be formidable on the court.
Marquette was starting to look into Decker when he verballed to Wisconsin and at least according to Harv and Roy Schmidt, Bo Ryan was watching Taylor a little in July.
I think Wisconsin does a very good job of targeting players and they get a majority of the players they offer as Bo Ryan doesn't offer many. It seems like Buzz offers more players, but when you get down to it, he is able to get many of his top targets as well.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on August 08, 2011, 02:31:10 PM
You people and your lofty journalistic expectations .. you can't blame Rosiak if no one called him with the news so he could write about it. Sheesh.
Well, to Ted's point - the JS obviously knew about the commitment - they at least had a comment on it in the paper (albeit buried in the dead tree version). I am also confident that Rosiak knew about it as well.
Now, I don't believe Ted is blaming Rosiak - in fact, his comment on the matter speaks for itself.
To me, this year really demonstrates that the past few years it was Rosiak and Rosiak alone. MU had articles written in the summer. Unfortunately, with Todd's new duties, no one else at the JS seems to care about MU enough to actually write about them - unless it is to be critical ...
Todd Rosiak hopes to have something by next week on Steve Taylor, according to his twitter tonight. Great.
Look, let's just face it. Marquette basketball recruiting is not what most MJS readers are all that interested in. Packers, Brewers, Badger football...all of that is more important to their readership at large right now. You can hardly blame them for putting Rosiak on the Brewer beat at this point in the season. Milwaukee isn't Louisville. In Louisville, the Cards are the only game in town and basketball is the most important of those games.
Plus, with the Brewers leading the Central, more coverage is essential and inevitable and TR is going to have his hands full getting content out for Brewer nation. It isn't a slam against MU. Pennant races lather up fans and JSOnline is doing the smart thing by getting them as much Brewer info as possible.
Quote from: TedBaxter on August 08, 2011, 09:48:19 PM
Todd Rosiak hopes to have something by next week on Steve Taylor, according to his twitter tonight. Great.
You've spent enough time complaining about something without figuring out a way to change it. We all know the problem, it's time to either come up with a solution or hush up about it.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on August 09, 2011, 07:55:39 AM
You've spent enough time complaining about something without figuring out a way to change it. We all know the problem, it's time to either come up with a solution or hush up about it.
OK, I'm done complaining.
You guys are complaining now? Wait until this upcoming season when we dont even have a writer covering Marquette because of budget cuts. Were extremely fortunate with what we get now, believe me.
If we agree we like Rosiak's coverage ( I think most of us do), then we should be glad the Urinal thinks enough of him to keep him busy during the summer. What are there, like 2 reporters in the whole fracking newsroom over there.