It seems an NBA lockout is definately on the horizon...so...hypothetically...
Is the NBA lockout and good thing or bad thing for NCAA?
The word "parity" was thrown around last year regarding the NCAA (tourney) field more than I've ever heard...Do you think this trend changes or stays the same with a lockout looming...?
The potentail lockout resulted in star players staying at Ohio St., North Carolina and Kentucky. Kentucky and North Carolina are going to dominiate this year. I do not think this will have any future effect as the lockout will be resolved by the next draft.
Because of the players who stayed, we could see some of the best college basketball we have seen in some time.
Quote from: tower912 on July 27, 2011, 12:34:28 PM
Because of the players who stayed, we could see some of the best college basketball we have seen in some time.
This is assuming that the 1-and-done kids at Kentucky and Memphis start going to classes.
I have a question about the NBA players hypothetically taking jobs overseas. If technically these players aren't under contract anymore and can take other basketball-related jobs that expire as soon as the lockout ends............what's to stop Marquette from offering D-Wade a job as a special assistant coach? It's great publicity for the school, Wade could teach a guy like DJO a lot about the game, Wade isn't exactly in need of a job that pays millions of dollars so he doesn't HAVE to play in Europe, and Wade could do the job while staying in shape for the NBA season. And Wade wouldn't be under contract by an NBA team, so it wouldn't violate any NCAA bylaws.
It's a pipe dream, but isn't this something worth considering if you're Buzz?
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 27, 2011, 12:37:22 PM
This is assuming that the 1-and-done kids at Kentucky and Memphis start going to classes.
They knew they were coming back. If they (the players and the universities) don't have that covered, then they have no one to blame but themselves.
Quote from: tower912 on July 27, 2011, 12:34:28 PM
Because of the players who stayed, we could see some of the best college basketball we have seen in some time.
That's spot on.
And remember the players that opted to stay resulted in one of the "weakest" NBA drafts in recent memory...but also Jimmy making the 1st round! ;)
Quote from: tower912 on July 27, 2011, 12:34:28 PM
Because of the players who stayed, we could see some of the best college basketball we have seen in some time.
Maybe, if you like North Carolina or Kentucky. Frankly, I hate both of them and I see very little chance that a team other than those two end up being NCAA champs in 2012.
I hate them both, too, and would not be surprised if that the Pryor mess doesn't seep over to the hoops team. But they are all going to be really good teams. Which will make it all the sweeter when we take one of them down to get to the final 4. ;D
Quote from: MisterDMU on July 27, 2011, 12:57:43 PM
I have a question about the NBA players hypothetically taking jobs overseas. If technically these players aren't under contract anymore and can take other basketball-related jobs that expire as soon as the lockout ends............what's to stop Marquette from offering D-Wade a job as a special assistant coach? It's great publicity for the school, Wade could teach a guy like DJO a lot about the game, Wade isn't exactly in need of a job that pays millions of dollars so he doesn't HAVE to play in Europe, and Wade could do the job while staying in shape for the NBA season. And Wade wouldn't be under contract by an NBA team, so it wouldn't violate any NCAA bylaws.
It's a pipe dream, but isn't this something worth considering if you're Buzz?
Would you move from Miami to Milwaukee during the winter?
It would be pretty cool if a scenario like this ever happened, but like you said, pipe dream.
Maybe Doc would be interested...
Quote from: MisterDMU on July 27, 2011, 12:57:43 PM
I have a question about the NBA players hypothetically taking jobs overseas. If technically these players aren't under contract anymore and can take other basketball-related jobs that expire as soon as the lockout ends............what's to stop Marquette from offering D-Wade a job as a special assistant coach? It's great publicity for the school, Wade could teach a guy like DJO a lot about the game, Wade isn't exactly in need of a job that pays millions of dollars so he doesn't HAVE to play in Europe, and Wade could do the job while staying in shape for the NBA season. And Wade wouldn't be under contract by an NBA team, so it wouldn't violate any NCAA bylaws.
It's a pipe dream, but isn't this something worth considering if you're Buzz?
1.) You can only have 3 assistants. Who do you fire? Then say the lockout ends two weeks into the season, who do you hire, considering you just fired someone in favor of a pro athlete with zero college coaching experience just to get some quick publicity? Not too many takers I'm guessing...
2.) Why would Wade, with a finite amount of time to maximize his earnings as a professional athlete, make ~$200k in a hypothetical ceremonial position that isn't even legal, rather than get paid several millions overseas?
3. Why would Wade even bother? He's made plenty of money. If he wants to help MU basketball, there are ways he can do so without it being a full-time gig of some sorts.
Again, I concede that the chances are less than .1% I only raised the hypothetical because there's some benefit for all parties. MU would get the benefit of good publicity and help developing their players and Wade could use his free time to help his alma mater and could make some $ and stay in shape without leaving for Europe.
1) I haven't read all the NCAA by-laws, but I find it hard to believe that MU wouldn't be able to find a way to bring Wade into the program without firing someone. I'm not advocating firing anyone. I'm very happy with our coaching staff. I'm positive that MU could think up a creative title for Wade that would allow him to help at practice and work out with the team, but not be an official "coach" at games.
2) I can think of a couple of reasons. 1 - Wade might not want to drag his kids to Europe. He fought for custody, so it'd be easier to move to Milwaukee and practice but not travel with the team, rather than drag them through Europe while his team plays. 2 - Less possibility of getting injured while helping MU rather than playing in Europe. He gets to rest and work out, but still gets a paycheck. 3 - Maybe he's interested in coaching someday?
It's not happening, but if I'm Buzz it's worth asking what Wade's plans are. You never know unless you ask.
Wade doesn't need the money....so I doubt he will be dragging his kids anywhere.
One more reason could be endorsements. I don't know a ton about how the compensation system works, but my hunch is that Wade couldn't make very many appearances on behalf of Converse or Gatorade if he's sitting in Turkey. Given how much money those appearances are likely worth, and given that he wants to stay near his kids, maybe he'd prefer to stay in the USA and make some money on the side somehow?
Quote from: MisterDMU on July 27, 2011, 03:55:25 PM
Again, I concede that the chances are less than .1% I only raised the hypothetical because there's some benefit for all parties. MU would get the benefit of good publicity and help developing their players and Wade could use his free time to help his alma mater and could make some $ and stay in shape without leaving for Europe.
1) I haven't read all the NCAA by-laws, but I find it hard to believe that MU wouldn't be able to find a way to bring Wade into the program without firing someone. I'm not advocating firing anyone. I'm very happy with our coaching staff. I'm positive that MU could think up a creative title for Wade that would allow him to help at practice and work out with the team, but not be an official "coach" at games.
2) I can think of a couple of reasons. 1 - Wade might not want to drag his kids to Europe. He fought for custody, so it'd be easier to move to Milwaukee and practice but not travel with the team, rather than drag them through Europe while his team plays. 2 - Less possibility of getting injured while helping MU rather than playing in Europe. He gets to rest and work out, but still gets a paycheck. 3 - Maybe he's interested in coaching someday?
It's not happening, but if I'm Buzz it's worth asking what Wade's plans are. You never know unless you ask.
No they can't. Only the assistants can be at practices. Think about it. Why wouldn't UNC just throw a sh*tload of cash at Jordan to be a "special assistant" and come to a practice once every two months? It works out well for all parties right? Helluva recruiting tool, right? They can't, because it's illegal. There was a lockout not so long ago - don't you think schools would have tried this then, too?
Wade sittin' on the pines rockin' his IU shorts would be very uncool.
Quote from: Jamailman on July 27, 2011, 04:01:58 PM
No they can't. Only the assistants can be at practices. Think about it. Why wouldn't UNC just throw a sh*tload of cash at Jordan to be a "special assistant" and come to a practice once every two months? It works out well for all parties right? Helluva recruiting tool, right? They can't, because it's illegal. There was a lockout not so long ago - don't you think schools would have tried this then, too?
So trainers aren't allowed at practices? Only the head coach and the three assistant head coaches? Not even a player manager? I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'd be curious to see the by-law and read what it actually says rather than just asserting twice that it's "illegal." If MU can't figure out a way to hire someone to help with practice without literally firing an assistant coach, then we need a new compliance director.
(I'll say it again, I'm not a moron. I get that he has better uses of his time and money. It's just a hypothetical. But I find it hard to believe that it's ILLEGAL. Or that it would violate any NCAA bylaw to hire a former player as, for example, a "strength and conditioning coach" who comes to practices.)
As for Jordan, he's been involved with NBA teams his entire career, so I'm sure the by-laws prohibit him from working for an NCAA basketball team when he was playing or while owning a team or working in a front office. And the 1998-99 strike was the first year of his retirement, so I'd imagine he had no interest in going right back into basketball. He was more interested in kickstarting a baseball career. And now that he's a partial owner of an NBA team, even though the owners locked out the players, the owners still are part of the NBA. Herb Kohl wouldn't be allowed to show up at MU practices, but I'm not so sure about Brandon Jennings.
And on that note, after a quick google search of the by-laws, it looks like the rules prohibit a non-coach from engaging in on- or off- court coaching activities. (11.7.1.1.1.1) So unless he was a "countable coach," Wade likely couldn't help with drills, which defeats the purpose of having him around to help with DJO and help the team.
That being said, it's not true that only coaches are allowed at practice. That's gibberish.