http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/ncaa/07/27/Maui.Invitational.ap/index.html?sct=cb_t2_a5
North Carolina, Butler, Illinois, Marquette, Mississippi State, Southern California, Texas and Division II Chaminade
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Wow, this would be worth going to Maui -- just for the basketball!
I think this is a better, deeper tournament than the NCAA
My wife is a UNC alum and I told her if Marquette and UNC were ever there together, we'd go....
Guess I need to start making plans! :)
Some possible storylines...
UNC - Could be a Harrison Barnes-less UNC team. Revenge match for Sweet 16 loss.
USC - If he's still with the team then, former coach (O'Neill) faces MU.
Texas - Texan HCO Buzz faces off against the flagship university. Can help solidify TX recruiting base with a huge win.
Butler - Two of the younger head coaches in D1 stewarding rising programs.
Illinois - Like TX, a huge win can further solidify recruiting base in IL.
Not sure of Mississippi State and Chaminade.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on July 27, 2011, 12:50:43 PM
Not sure of Mississippi State and Chaminade.
You never can tell when Buzz might want to recruit a Hawaiian big!
MU must of dropped out of the 76st classic to play in Maui. Too bad for myself.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on July 27, 2011, 12:50:43 PM
Some possible storylines...
Not sure of Mississippi State and Chaminade.
Mississippi State: The "Rodney Hood obviously made a big mistake" game...
Chaminade: The "God let's hope we aren't 1982 Virginia revisted" game.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 27, 2011, 07:21:34 PM
Chaminade: The "God let's hope we aren't 1982 Virginia revisted" game.
I thought Marquette had struggled to beat Chaminade in the early 80s...?!?
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on July 27, 2011, 07:44:10 PM
I thought Marquette had struggled to beat Chaminade in the early 80s...?!?
'07 was the first meeting. MU struggled in that one, though. Pulling away late to win by 10 or so.
Quote from: MUMac on July 27, 2011, 08:58:11 PM'07 was the first meeting. MU struggled in that one, though. Pulling away late to win by 10 or so.
Yeah, but that was nothing compared to lowly Chaminade knocking off Ralph Sampson and #1 Virginia. That was the game that really put the Maui Invitational on the map and helped make it the marquee tournament of the non-conference portion of the season.
Walked into a bar today and I was greeted with this. Sorry about the flash and the size...feel free to edit.
That is going to be awesome.
UNC- Great, always.
MU- Should be good next year.
Butler- Glory days are over.
ILL- Will have a new coach after wheels fall of in Big 10 this year.
Miss. State?
Texas- Down year this year, who knows next year.
USC- Not good; see loss to Cal Poly where they scored 36 pts.
Chaminade- nothing to say.
This field is not as strong as it looks, but it should be better than the Paradise Jam Field this year. Early prediction, MU beats UNC in championship game (assuming Barnes goes pro).
Quote from: marquette09 on December 08, 2011, 12:15:31 AM
UNC- Great, always.
MU- Should be good next year.
Butler- Glory days are over.
ILL- Will have a new coach after wheels fall of in Big 10 this year.
Miss. State?
Texas- Down year this year, who knows next year.
USC- Not good; see loss to Cal Poly where they scored 36 pts.
Chaminade- nothing to say.
This field is not as strong as it looks, but it should be better than the Paradise Jam Field this year. Early prediction, MU beats UNC in championship game (assuming Barnes goes pro).
A lot of assumptions there. The one I will address:
Remember when Butler's glory days were over when Hayward went pro after losing in the NCAA Championship? Wait a minute...
I will not count out a Butler team until Brad Stevens stops making National Championship games with mid-major (at best) talent. 2 years ago Hayward was a stud and Mack was a very good player. Last year Mack was a stud and nobody else would have been on Marquette's team. They had no business being in either of those National Championships, especially last year. They lost 5 non-conference games last year and will end up with 5 non-conference losses this year. They lost 5 Horizon League games last year. Twice to UWM. If they had lost before the finals of the Horizon League Tournament they're probably not even in the NCAA Tournament. Brad Stevens is one of the very few coaches I would take over Buzz in the country.
And before all the Buzz lovers come screaming for my head, I realize that Buzz is getting superior talent compared to Brad Stevens. But where is it easier to recruit at? Middle-of-nowhere Indiana vs. urban Milwaukee. Most of the high talent is coming from big cities. I realize Indiana is an exception to this, but then you look at who they have to recruit against to get those kids: Indiana first and then Purdue. Horizon League vs. Big East. Don't think any explanation is needed there. Much more difficult to get kids to Butler than it is to get them to Marquette. Not that it's easy getting kids anywhere outside of Duke, Kansas, UNC, Kentucky. And then you look at success. Buzz has success, no doubt. But 2 National Championship games in 4 years? Vs. a Sweet Sixteen and a second round. More than any team I can ever remember seeing, his teams play the way that they want to play and nobody can stop that. Even in both National Championships, they controlled how the game was played. They just did not have the talent to get the job done in those games. The definition of cool, calm, and collected.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 08, 2011, 12:36:26 AM
Brad Stevens is one of the very few coaches I would take over Buzz in the country.
And before all the Buzz lovers come screaming for my head, I realize that Buzz is getting superior talent compared to Brad Stevens. But where is it easier to recruit at? Middle-of-nowhere Indiana vs. urban Milwaukee. Most of the high talent is coming from big cities. I realize Indiana is an exception to this, but then you look at who they have to recruit against to get those kids: Indiana first and then Purdue. Horizon League vs. Big East. Don't think any explanation is needed there. Much more difficult to get kids to Butler than it is to get them to Marquette. Not that it's easy getting kids anywhere outside of Duke, Kansas, UNC, Kentucky. And then you look at success. Buzz has success, no doubt. But 2 National Championship games in 4 years? Vs. a Sweet Sixteen and a second round. More than any team I can ever remember seeing, his teams play the way that they want to play and nobody can stop that. Even in both National Championships, they controlled how the game was played. They just did not have the talent to get the job done in those games. The definition of cool, calm, and collected.
Butler is located in Indianapolis, just as urban, in fact more urban than Milwaukee. So Butler has to deal with IU and Purdue? MU has to deal with UW. Any idea about the drastic difference in talent pools between the state of Indiana and Wisconsin?? My guess - Indiana produces 2-3 times as many D-1 basketball players as the state of WI.
So Stevens has been at Butler 4 years? Did he recruit Gordon Hayward? Shelvin Mack? I think not. Butler has been getting their ass kicked all year long this year. If you want to talk about two programs going in opposite directions - you can look at MU and Butler. MU on a serious rise, Butler on a decline. The truth of the matter is there is very little difference between a school like Butler and MU. Perhaps MU has gotten some benefit recruiting to the Big East, but I propose that if Butler were playing in the Big East last year - they wouldn't have even made the NCAA tourney..given their marginal Horizon league performance..
Quote from: wadesworld on December 08, 2011, 12:36:26 AM
But where is it easier to recruit at? Middle-of-nowhere Indiana vs. urban Milwaukee.
Very accurate. It's too bad that "middle-of-nowhere Indiana" couldn't get a SuperBowl, host a Final Four every four years, host every forseeable Big Ten Football Championships (and many Basketball Championships), two professional sports teams, and be home to the NCAA.
I live in Indy (moved here from Chicago three years ago), and am consistently blown away by the basketball talent in this state. The major in-state programs could be regular fixtures in the Top 25, if they were able to protect their borders, and keep kids in Indiana.
Arguably the two biggest recruits in Izzo's tenure, have come from Indiana in back to back years (Brendon Dawson and Gary Harris). Hell...Thad Matta got to a National Championship game with two Indy ballers (Greg Oden and Mike Conley Jr).
Not to worry. Brad Stevens will likely be coachin' IU by then.
Quote from: marquette09 on December 08, 2011, 12:15:31 AMMiss. State?
Texas- Down year this year, who knows next year.
This field is not as strong as it looks, but it should be better than the Paradise Jam Field this year. Early prediction, MU beats UNC in championship game
Mississippi State should be loaded next year. Rodney Hood is a pure stud, Moultrie is a double-double machine, and they have a strong supporting cast coming back. If Texas lands Cameron Ridley, they could be title contenders. They have a great freshman class this year and if Kabongo stays, that's a great lineup. Illinois isn't as good as their record, but Leonard is a beast. If he's back, they could well be a fifth ranked team in Maui next year.
Barring early-entry, that field is still stacked.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 08, 2011, 05:12:59 AM
Mississippi State should be loaded next year. Rodney Hood is a pure stud, Moultrie is a double-double machine, and they have a strong supporting cast coming back. If Texas lands Cameron Ridley, they could be title contenders.
Not worried about Ridley. We will have a guy who has gone against him in practice regularly.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 08, 2011, 07:58:19 AMNot worried about Ridley. We will have a guy who has gone against him in practice regularly.
Out of curiosity, did you see Ridley's line the other day? 52 points, 25 rebounds, and 10 blocks. Now
that is a triple-double. In the same game, Durley had 10 points (one of 8 players in double-figures for his team).
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 27, 2011, 03:20:40 PM
Mississippi State: The "Rodney Hood obviously made a big mistake" game...
Insert JP Tokoto
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 08, 2011, 08:01:43 AM
Out of curiosity, did you see Ridley's line the other day? 52 points, 25 rebounds, and 10 blocks. Now that is a triple-double. In the same game, Durley had 10 points (one of 8 players in double-figures for his team).
How many points did they score in a 32 minute high school game? If Ridley scored 52 and 7 other guys hit double figures, thats a minimum of 122, and that's only if the other 7 guys scored only exactly 10 and nobody else scored any which seems unlikely.
Quote from: CTWarrior on December 08, 2011, 08:20:49 AMHow many points did they score in a 32 minute high school game? If Ridley scored 52 and 7 other guys hit double figures, thats a minimum of 122, and that's only if the other 7 guys scored only exactly 10 and nobody else scored any which seems unlikely.
My bad, misread part of the box score. That was 10 total in double figures. Anyway...here's the link:
http://www.chron.com/sports/highschool/scoreboard/?site=default&mkt=houston&Season=2011&tpl=Boxscore&Sport=6&ID=126802&TeamID=774&SearchType=Teams
Quote from: mupanther on July 27, 2011, 03:16:43 PM
MU must of dropped out of the 76st classic to play in Maui. Too bad for myself.
we're playing in the 76 classic in 2013
then Old Spice in 2014
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/2013
welp... looks like I will be heading to Hawaii. It was just a thought prior to the release. Should be a great tourny.
Quote from: Ners on December 08, 2011, 03:38:31 AM
Butler is located in Indianapolis, just as urban, in fact more urban than Milwaukee. So Butler has to deal with IU and Purdue? MU has to deal with UW. Any idea about the drastic difference in talent pools between the state of Indiana and Wisconsin?? My guess - Indiana produces 2-3 times as many D-1 basketball players as the state of WI.
Having lived in Indianapolis and Milwaukee, the award for more "urban" feel of the two definitely goes to Milwaukee. In any event, Marquette is an urban campus, Butler is not. Butler has more of a "UWM meets Cardinal Strich" feel to it... in fact, if you didn't know how to get to campus, you'd probably never find Butler, and if you were wandering around aimlessly, you could probably stumble right through campus without even knowing it.
Butler may not be "middle-of-nowhere-Indiana," but it is "middle-of-nowhere-Indianapolis" or "middle-of-nowhere-Horizon-League" at the very least.
Frankly, Butler is a D-III school that has a D-I basketball team who's had some decent success over the years... the one thing it has going for it is its history which has great importance - as Ners implied - when recruiting in Indiana... not so much elsewhere. Although consecutive championship game appearances will help for a few years, but Brad Stevens still has an upward battle in recruiting because i) the talent pool in Indiana is larger than many states, but the elite players still end up going out of state more often than not, ii) "It's Butler, it's Butler" just doesn't have the same ring for kids looking to stay in state and iii) Butler will always be a tough sell for a prototypical 4 or 5-star looking for exposure.
Born in Indy, lives in Indy, but currently at MU. I've been a huge Butler basketball fan for basically my whole life, and I can't count how many times I've been told "oh Butler is coming out of their prime" ... literally since the late 90s. Time and time again successful coaches leave (Thad Matta, Todd Lickliter) and stud "once in a blue moon" players leave (Darnell Archy, A.J. Graves, Pete Campbell, Gordon Hayward, Matt Howard, the list goes on) and people say Butler's success is on the way down. En yet, they always find ways to be successful. As long as they keep getting recruits from the state of Indiana, I absolutely refuse Butler will never be a threat in the NCAA tournament. It just blows my mind how much better the basketball talent is in Indiana comparatively when you look like states like Ohio, Wisconsin and Illinois which all have larger populations then Indiana.
Even when Stevens goes, the success of Butler basketball is unprecedented. The culture there just knows what players to get and what system to use with those players to be successful. It goes back to something deeper with all major universities in Indiana: IU, Purdue, Indiana St., ND, etc.-- they have all found success in basketball. Varying, granted, but it goes back again to recruiting in Indiana. (Yes, ND does do this for both bball and football)
As for comparatively to MU, I would argue butler has overall been more successful in the last 10 seasons then MU. Indianapolis is a little bit larger than Milwaukee, but like someone else mentioned the fact that Indy has secured a Superbowl, NCAA headquarters, Final Fours out the wazoo, etc. makes it one of the biggest little-cities in the US. A very underrated place to live IMO.