Even in a Pro-Am game that seems ridiculous, but Dwight and Juan were just tweeting about it. How long are these games??
Dwight: Junior Cadougan just went off for 39assist!!! Best point guard in the big east next year by Far!!!!!
Juan: Junior had 39 assists and @VEEZYV1792 had 50. They fillin it up
VeezyV is Vander for anyone that didn't know.
The quicker you figure out that this is glorified street ball the better off you'll be. These stats mean very little imo.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on July 22, 2011, 09:08:27 PM
The quicker you figure out that this is glorified street ball the better off you'll be. These stats mean very little imo.
Other than increased swagger, confidence in their skills, greater cohesion with their teammate(s) and the opportunity to get some ball in during a deal off-season esp. close to school, I agree with you.
I gotta say despite the lack of D 39 assists is pretty damn impressive. Having said that the Milwaukee Pro-Am really needs to step up the competition. It's great to get out there a hoop during the summer and I completely agree it helps the cohesion of the unit. Maybe I'm wrong and this is just how all Pro-Am's are but seems like we could find some tougher competition is all.
Quote from: Boards on July 22, 2011, 09:43:53 PM
I gotta say despite the lack of D 39 assists is pretty damn impressive. Having said that the Milwaukee Pro-Am really needs to step up the competition. It's great to get out there a hoop during the summer and I completely agree it helps the cohesion of the unit. Maybe I'm wrong and this is just how all Pro-Am's are but seems like we could find some tougher competition is all.
The players are split up... I mean... the teams should be pretty equal... the difference is they don't really play any defense.
I'm just saying I'd like to see some solid players from outside of our program. I suppose that's asking a lot but I feel it's doable.
I was at the game tonight, and the only reason he was able to rack up 39 assists was because the team he was facing (Vander and Jamail's team) only had five players and were dead by halftime. Only one or two players would get back on defense in the second half, so Junior would bring it up the court and dish it off for easy assists. Junior's team scored 160-something points for some perspective.
Quote from: Boards on July 22, 2011, 09:43:53 PM
I gotta say despite the lack of D 39 assists is pretty damn impressive. Having said that the Milwaukee Pro-Am really needs to step up the competition. It's great to get out there a hoop during the summer and I completely agree it helps the cohesion of the unit. Maybe I'm wrong and this is just how all Pro-Am's are but seems like we could find some tougher competition is all.
Here is the problem....
These guys are in summer school. There are players in summer school across the country. Therefore you can really only draw guys from the local area. Unlike the NC Pro-Am, that has a ton of high level schools in the area, they are really limited where they are going to draw these guys from. The best that can be hoped for is a DJO type going home, but even that's limited.
But this is 1000x better than the pick-up games they would play all summer long before. IWB did a good thing bringing this together.
Don't read into the stats. I'm at every game of the pro-am.
Scion Dental is the best team in the pro-am with Cadougan & Nankivil.
Vander Blue's team doesn't play D.
I watched the first half of the game. I think the half-time score was 78-39. According to my mental score keeping Blue had 15 in the first half and Cadougan had 11. The big difference was that Blue took at least three times as many shots and that might be an undersatement. Cadougan makes his team better. Blue demoralized his team as he hogs the ball. I think Jones took 4 shots and that is about as often as he actually touched the ball on offense. In other games, the more I watch Anderson and Jake Thomas, the more I like their game.
So based on numerous reports Vander is playing no defense and often being a ball hog, so how is this helping his game?
Quote from: Warrior1969 on July 23, 2011, 07:37:42 AM
So based on numerous reports Vander is playing no defense and often being a ball hog, so how is this helping his game?
The ProAm doesn't help anyone's game beyond getting them a little exercise. It's just fun to watch a little pick-up basketball :)
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 23, 2011, 08:10:06 AM
The ProAm doesn't help anyone's game beyond getting them a little exercise. It's just fun to watch a little pick-up basketball :)
I think it does help some players. I see Anderson geting more comfortable and his game is improving. I do think it hurts Vander and Jones. Jones is not encourged to expand his game and just waits for a chance to shoot the three. Based on pro am, Jones is the worst player on MU and that is including Jake Thomas. Vander does play defense, but Vander will only help MU, if he greatly limits the amount of shots he takes when he is in a game. Playing in the pro am where he is shooting everytime he can is teaching him to do the opposite.
im sure vander is aware that he is playing in a pro am and not a big east game... i doubt this will cause him to be a ball hog.
Vander will not help MU if he "greatly limits the shots he takes during a game." Vander is going to need to score for us before his career is over.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 23, 2011, 08:57:24 AM
Vander will not help MU if he "greatly limits the shots he takes during a game." Vander is going to need to score for us before his career is over.
Vander needs to take only good shots, and for him that is limited to just a layup or dunk.
I don't mind Vander shooting constantly in this environment if he's hitting some of the shots. It should help him get some confidence in his shot, which he definitely didn't have last year. He won't be given the opportunity to shoot every time down when it comes to actual games, but if he has an open 15-footer, I'd like to think that he has the confidence and ability to knock it down if it's there. Buzz will pull him if he's just chucking every time down. The advantage of actual games to Pro-Am play is that you have coaching. I trust Buzz to keep that kind of play in check.
Quote from: National Champs on July 23, 2011, 09:01:44 AM
Vander needs to take only good shots, and for him that is limited to just a layup or dunk.
What the heck are we paying Buzz millions for...sign this guy up as our new coach!
If you attended the pro-am this year, compared to last year, you'd notice a huge improvement in how comfortable and confident Vander is in his game. I'm thrilled to be watching a program in which every year, every player seems to improve. This is exactly the situation that Vander needs to take his confidence in his shot/overall game from individual workouts, to pick-up games, to formal practice, to non-conference games, to conference games.
Quote from: National Champs on July 23, 2011, 09:01:44 AM
Vander needs to take only good shots, and for him that is limited to just a layup or dunk.
You don't think players can improve over the course of their career???
Vander's shot does look better this year. You can't take any stock in what happens in the pro-am to big east play.
Quote from: miamiflashfan on July 22, 2011, 10:37:45 PM
I was at the game tonight, and the only reason he was able to rack up 39 assists was because the team he was facing (Vander and Jamail's team) only had five players and were dead by halftime. Only one or two players would get back on defense in the second half, so Junior would bring it up the court and dish it off for easy assists. Junior's team scored 160-something points for some perspective.
Why do some teams only have 5 players???
Salary cap
Quote from: mupanther on July 23, 2011, 09:54:09 AM
Vander's shot does look better this year. You can't take any stock in what happens in the pro-am to big east play.
That weird hip twist of his makes it look like every shot of his is going to miss badly, though.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 23, 2011, 10:25:10 AM
Salary cap
Thank you for the coffee stain I now have on my shirt from laughing in mid sip.
It seems like the pro-am is a chance to see these dudes' natural skills...enjoy it. I wish I could watch. For the players, a chance to stay in shape, work on their games a bit (maybe not what Buzz necessarily wants them to work on), and keep competitive. I would think having pro players in the mix also helps younger guys develop and gives them a great model of what hard work can turn into on the hardwood.
In the category of meaningless stats, I just finished watching Davante Gardner put up 55 points and 22 rebounds in a 99-93 win. Did just about everything but dunk in the game, including a block on the perimeter with about 12 seconds left to ice the game.
Doesn't some of these numbers just speak to the lack of talent in this pro am? Other then the Mu players there are maybe a few talented players honestly. There are virtually no BE level players. It is a nice event and cool to get a chance to see the guys during summer but really who is DG being guarded by?
Its not really the talent its the pace of play and the lack of defense because their are no coaches.
They play almost he whole game at run and gun speed so they get tired and rest on defense.
Some of the kids playing are older guys that played at a lower level but are now playing pro ball overseas.
You might not have heard of them but they can play.
Quote from: MuMark on July 23, 2011, 02:37:07 PM
Its not really the talent its the pace of play and the lack of defense because their are no coaches.
They play almost he whole game at run and gun speed so they get tired and rest on defense.
Some of the kids playing are older guys that played at a lower level but are now playing pro ball overseas.
You might not have heard of them but they can play.
+1
Miles McKay is a player. Dejuante Wade can flat out play. Kam Cerroni, TJ Bray, Coy Smith, these guys can all ball. It may not be the NC Pro-Am, but there are a lot of good players out there. I would take a lot of these players on our current team if they had eligibility. I think McKay, especially, would be a dynamite addition if he could join Marquette right now.
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on July 23, 2011, 02:05:12 PM
In the category of meaningless stats, I just finished watching Davante Gardner put up 55 points and 22 rebounds in a 99-93 win. Did just about everything but dunk in the game, including a block on the perimeter with about 12 seconds left to ice the game.
He had 11 assists too. I know that the stats in this event are ridiculous. Buycks is averaging 40 something in the Pro-Am we know he didn't do anywhere near that at Marquette. At the same time with guys like Davante, Vander, and Jamail this only helps their confidence. Davante putting up these numbers, when I haven't heard anyone say anything about Otule at all shows that his offense is much better than Otule's. That will be the most interesting part of next year IMO. How does Buzz split up the time between those two. Davante isn't getting winded as easily as he used to and foul trouble is his biggest weakness. I personally would like to see Gardner start, but I have been a huge fan of Gardner since the Bucknell. game.
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on July 23, 2011, 02:05:12 PM
In the category of meaningless stats, I just finished watching Davante Gardner put up 55 points and 22 rebounds in a 99-93 win. Did just about everything but dunk in the game, including a block on the perimeter with about 12 seconds left to ice the game.
So if DJO doesn't drop a Chamberlain in one of these pro-am games, it's time to hit the panic button.
Quote from: windyplayer on July 25, 2011, 07:56:51 PMSo if DJO doesn't drop a Chamberlain in one of these pro-am games, it's time to hit the panic button.
DJO isn't playing in the Milwaukee Pro-Am, he's playing in the North Carolina Pro-Am. Nothing against IWB, but the talent level down there is a wee bit higher than ours is. On the plus side, he has been impressing with his play.
Quote from: bilsu on July 23, 2011, 08:34:31 AM
I think it does help some players. I see Anderson geting more comfortable and his game is improving. I do think it hurts Vander and Jones. Jones is not encourged to expand his game and just waits for a chance to shoot the three. Based on pro am, Jones is the worst player on MU and that is including Jake Thomas. Vander does play defense, but Vander will only help MU, if he greatly limits the amount of shots he takes when he is in a game. Playing in the pro am where he is shooting everytime he can is teaching him to do the opposite.
This is laughable. Vander is not going to be a 20ppg guy, but he's definitely going to score some points for MU. His shooting struggles were largely mental last season. When he went up for a shot, you could almost see him thinking through the process of his refined shooting form - that's never a good thing. The more he missed, the more he pressed. The more he pressed, the more he missed. His current stroke looks much better from the little bit I've seen.
Also, playing in a free-for-all pro-am is not going to make him think he should take 20 shots a game come January.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on July 26, 2011, 10:36:49 AM
This is laughable. Vander is not going to be a 20ppg guy, but he's definitely going to score some points for MU. His shooting struggles were largely mental last season. When he went up for a shot, you could almost see him thinking through the process of his refined shooting form - that's never a good thing. The more he missed, the more he pressed. The more he pressed, the more he missed. His current stroke looks much better from the little bit I've seen.
Also, playing in a free-for-all pro-am is not going to make him think he should take 20 shots a game come January.
Vander drove me mental, when he would shoot last year. The less he shoots the better it is for my mental status. ;D