Oklahoma, Texas A&M may look at moving to SEC because of Texas' TV network
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2011-07-20/oklahoma-texas-am-may-look-at-moving-to-sec-because-of-texas-tv-network
http://www.aseaofblue.com/2011/7/21/2285641/recruiting-what-does-the-lhn-mean-for-the-sec
http://www.athlonsports.com/college-football/will-oklahoma-and-texas-am-leave-big-12
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/15337947/prep-games-on-longhorn-network-could-drive-aggies-to-sec
http://www.burntorangenation.com/2011/7/20/2285998/texas-a-m-secede-oklahoma-threat-sec-conference-big-12
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/07/texas-big-12-longhorn-network-dan-beebe/1
http://blogs.forbes.com/bobcook/2011/07/21/televised-high-school-football-the-final-death-blow-to-the-big-12-conference/
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/30772/longhorn-network-causing-big-12-waves
http://blog.chron.com/aggies/2011/07/loftin-uncertainty-in-big-12-because-of-longhorn-network/
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2011/07/20/bcs-football-more-cracks-in-big-12-facade/
http://www.big12hoops.com/2011/7/21/2286633/conference-expansion-realignment-sec-acc-big12-big10-pac12-jim-delaney
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http://www.burntorangenation.com/2011/7/21/2286168/conference-realignment-texas-longhorns-aggies-oklahoma-sec-big-12
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Right now it seems like one of the BCS conferences will fall, and I'm sure ACC and Big East officials are glad it looks like it will be the Big-12, err, 10, err, 8. If this happened, I imagine the other 8 would be scrambling for new homes. I'm sure the PAC-12, Big Variable, the ACC, and the Big East would come a-calling. The only question is if the Big East got a dream scenario of Kansas and another team (Texas would be the dream, more likely K-State or Mizzou), would they go forward with a 12-team football conference and a 19-team basketball conference? Or would the football teams try to leave us behind?
I have a feeling this is just a power play to get UT to make concessions with the Longhorn Network...although I know A LOT of A&M peeps that would rather be in the SEC. UT really has it set up nicely for them. They got rid of the squeaky wheel in Nebraska and the B12 is so desperate for their membership that they basically get to keep most revenue. They just need to keep Oklahoma and A&M happy.
Anyone else see Dan Beebe's name and immediately think of Don Beebe's House of Speed?
Quote from: marqptm on July 21, 2011, 06:49:31 PM
Anyone else see Dan Beebe's name and immediately think of Don Beebe's House of Speed?
Nope
If teams like A&M, Oklahoma, Kansas, K-State, Mizzou, etc start bolting for the greener pastures of the B10, BEast, SEC or PAC12, does Texas have the money/clout/whatever to remain independent, a la Notre Dame? Or if enough teams left would they be forced to join up with someone?
Quote from: ODMU238 on July 21, 2011, 07:42:39 PM
If teams like A&M, Oklahoma, Kansas, K-State, Mizzou, etc start bolting for the greener pastures of the B10, BEast, SEC or PAC12, does Texas have the money/clout/whatever to remain independent, a la Notre Dame? Or if enough teams left would they be forced to join up with someone?
They might be able to stick it out independently in football, but they would have to do something with their non-football sports. And the question is...where do they go? CUSA?
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 21, 2011, 06:23:08 PM
Right now it seems like one of the BCS conferences will fall, and I'm sure ACC and Big East officials are glad it looks like it will be the Big-12, err, 10, err, 8. If this happened, I imagine the other 8 would be scrambling for new homes. I'm sure the PAC-12, Big Variable, the ACC, and the Big East would come a-calling. The only question is if the Big East got a dream scenario of Kansas and another team (Texas would be the dream, more likely K-State or Mizzou), would they go forward with a 12-team football conference and a 19-team basketball conference? Or would the football teams try to leave us behind?
Kansas is GU, especially for non-revenue sports. way to much travel.
Quote from: 79Warrior on July 21, 2011, 08:15:45 PM
Kansas is GU, especially for non-revenue sports. way to much travel.
GU?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 21, 2011, 08:07:13 PM
They might be able to stick it out independently in football, but they would have to do something with their non-football sports. And the question is...where do they go? CUSA?
The Pac 10 (12) covets Texas even more than the Big11 drools over ND. Colorado and Utah is not the end game for them.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 21, 2011, 08:54:03 PM
GU?
Geographically Undesirable. Perhaps the most impossible to understand of all acronyms.
Quote from: 79Warrior on July 21, 2011, 08:15:45 PM
Kansas is GU, especially for non-revenue sports. way to much travel.
TCU is far more undesirable, I'd think, and they're here. Kansas is a big enough basketball brand to make it worth the tradeoff.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 22, 2011, 02:24:47 AM
TCU is far more undesirable, I'd think, and they're here. Kansas is a big enough basketball brand to make it worth the tradeoff.
I've got to think that the Dallas/Ft. Worth area is a bit easier to get to than the Lawrence, KS area, but I've never been to either.
Guys, travel costs aren't that big of a deal considering the money involved these days. Why would the B10 have Penn State? They are probably the most difficult big time school to travel to. Why did the Big West add Hawaii for non-football sports?
Lawrence, KS isn't that far from Kansas City. It isn't that difficult to get to.
The break up of the B12 IMO is the biggest issue that may determine the future of the BE.
Quote from: National Champs on July 21, 2011, 11:30:35 PM
Geographically Undesirable. Perhaps the most impossible to understand of all acronyms.
Especially on a board discussing a basketball team that 1) belongs to a conference with Georgetown and 2) played Gonzaga last year.
Quote from: PJDunn on July 21, 2011, 11:12:57 PM
The Pac 10 (12) covets Texas even more than the Big11 drools over ND. Colorado and Utah is not the end game for them.
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Yes, but ... B10 and PAC 12 both covet them until the big school in he conference (USC or OSU) have ego kick in whenthey realize Texas intends to be king and the smaller schools in the conference realize Texas wants more revenue togoto bigger schools.
After these factors broke up two deals, Texas decided to work toward secession, I mean independence, and that is fine with me.
Hyperbolic sky-is-falling prediction based on nothing but hunches and what limited info and consensus we have.
If Oklahoma and A&M leave to join the SEC, that will bring the SEC to 14 teams, and earn them Oklahoma and Texas media markets.
The Big 12 would, oddly enough in an accident of history be reduced to the "Big Eight" but with slightly different membership. This scenario is really bad for schools like Texas Tech, Baylor, and Kansas State, who have SOME good programs, but arguably receive more from the conference than they give (I can't imagine Iowa State's media share is that large).
This is the breaking point where I think Texas goes Independent. With no Oklahoma, Texas A&M, or Nebraska around, why stay? To be the big fish in the small pond? To beat up on Oklahoma State, Iowa State, and Baylor? To have to spread revenue to all the schools suckling at Texas' teat? I can't see that happening. They'd be a top draw as an Independent, as Oklahoma and A&M alums would certainly want to continue their series. Texas keeps the money for themselves.
The tattered remnants of the Big 12 are now in the wilderness. Arguably, Mizzou is home to the most lucrative TV markets left in St. Louis and Kansas City. It's easy to say Mizzou jumps to the Big Ten rather than sink with the rest of the conference, but the Big 10 would want to bring someone else along, if only to keep the divisions at an even number of teams. Kansas would be the dream pick, for the Big 10 and Mizzou, but Kansas could find K-State as a millstone around their neck. The Big Ten could grab KU, K-State, Iowa State, but now the Conference is increasing its membership by a third all at once. If Mizzou jumps to the Big ten, I'd think Iowa State would be a simpler answer as a tagalong, but doesn't really give the Big Ten anything it doesn't already have.
I really doubt the Big Ten will add Missouri. They could have added them for years and never seriously considered it. IMO, they would only really consider Notre Dame and Texas at this point.
And, and I have mentioned this before, the A&M and OU talk is just that...talk. A&M actually fits the SEC well and might eventually leave, but OU is too tied to Texas (both the state and the University) for them to leave.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 26, 2011, 12:40:48 PM
I really doubt the Big Ten will add Missouri. They could have added them for years and never seriously considered it. IMO, they would only really consider Notre Dame and Texas at this point.
And, and I have mentioned this before, the A&M and OU talk is just that...talk. A&M actually fits the SEC well and might eventually leave, but OU is too tied to Texas (both the state and the University) for them to leave.
Quite honestly, I think the NCAA should be the ones to mandate conferences.
and as such, I have named myself, "NCAA commish in charge of deciding conferences".
Oh, and as a caveat, all D1 schools must field a football team... the NCAA will prop up the schools starting out with the ridiculous profits we generate so they can start programs ;)
Big TenWisconsin
OSU
Michigan
Michigan St.
Iowa
Minnesota
Illinois
Indiana
Purdue
Northwestern
Big EastVillanova
Georgetown
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
St. Johns
Connecticut
Seton Hall
Rutgers
Boston College
Penn State
ACCUNC
Duke
Clemson
Virginia
Virgina Tech
Maryland
NC State
Georgia Tech
Wake Forest
Rutgers
Eastern American Conference (formerly named A-10, and easily the weakest conference... I could swap some BEAST and EAC schools to even it up... but I don't want to)
Temple
Richmond
George Washington
VCU
St. Joes
Rhode Island
Charlotte
Providence
Duquesne
George Mason
SWC(yes, yes I did)
Texas
OK
OK State
Houston
TCU
TAMU
Texas Tech
Baylor
Arkansas
SMU!!!
Great Midwest Conference (mhmm)
Marquette
Xavier
Kansas
Missouri
Iowa State
Kansas State
Nebraska
Cincinatti
West Virginia
Louisville
Rocky Mountain ConferenceColorado
Colorado State
Boise State
Utah
BYU
UTEP
UNLV
New Mexico
Tulsa
Rice
Great SouthMemphis
LSU
Mississippi State
Old Miss
Alabama
UAB
Auburn
Memphis
Tulane
Marshall
SECFSU
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
Vanderbilt
Tennessee
South Carolina
South Florida
UCF
Miami
Pac-10 only conference 'as is'
Cal
UCLA
USC
Washington
Washington State
Arizona
Arizona State
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
Take these 10 conferences (100 teams) and create the new "BCS"
For Basketball do:
Top five teams of each conference advance to NCAA playoffs (50 teams)
14 at large bids from the rest of the mid majors (no automatic crappy-conference qualifiers... 14-16 team autobids are worthless anyway)
This should give you a 64 team tournament... ta da!
For Football do:
Top team of each conference advances to NCAA playoffs (10 teams)
TWO at large bids from the rest of the mid majors/BCS field (A committee could decide, or whatever, someone will be pissed every year no matter what)
This should yield a 12 team tournament... ta da!
All problems solved... no griping (yeah right) and yes, I realize this is totally a crap system, but it works... and it gets the teams with the biggest fan bases the best shot at the playoffs... and yes, I realize that I alienated a lot of schools (Dayton, Depaul, St. Bonnie, and ECU come to mind right away) Also, I left out Notre Dame intentionally, because EFF NOTRE DAME.
Enjoy picking this apart!
This is nice, but the underlying premise, that the NCAA should regulate conferences, will never happen.
Quote from: PJDunn on July 21, 2011, 11:12:57 PM
The Pac 10 (12) covets Texas even more than the Big11 drools over ND. Colorado and Utah is not the end game for them.
Nope. http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6809451/larry-scott-longhorn-network-keep-texas-joining-pac-12