http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/pierce/2011/07/old_school.html
Charles Pierce, writer for the Boston Globe (also contributor to NY Times, LA Times, Chicago Tribune, SI, GQ and others) is a Marquette journalism graduate. He calls it like it is.
"This story (MU's sexual assault story) stinks like the Red Star Yeast plant on a hot summer's day. The ongoing stonewall is completely revolting"
Says it looks like we apparently broke the law. Maybe Gato can explain to him how the Tribune and Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and other media outlets lied about MU personnel telling them that they broke the law but actually didn't, as only an attorney who refuses to answer questions honestly can do.
The story just doesn't die. Good for Charlie Pierce. Someone has a sense of morals and is not afraid to admit that his alma mater committed a major wrong in many ways.
Here it comes from a well respected writer. Major fit hittin' the shan. Tick, tock, tick, tock....
Down goes another head. Tick, tock, tick, tock.
Waitin' for ecompt to chime in.
Thank goodness for all the journalists that clearly know more about the law than the lawyers do.
The link must be broken because only one paragraph came up and it doesn't make any sense. ::)
This is just the Badger-loving Journal Sentinel staff making headlines to sell papers.
Seriously, what does this mean?
"And, by the way, what in the name of the FSM is going on here with the Milwaukee PD and the Milwaukee county DA? Any answer containing the phrase "Duke lacrosse case" is hereby ruled inadmissable.
He'll definitely be invited back to talk someday.
Yep, from his cubicle 1,000 miles away, Charlie clearly knows more about this situation than Marquette University, its employees, the Milwaukee Police Department and the Milwaukee District Attorney.
It's a conspiracy.
I just wish he could explain to me what this ongoing stonewall is all about.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 20, 2011, 11:08:22 PM
Yep, from his cubicle 1,000 miles away, Charlie clearly knows more about this situation than Marquette University, its employees, the Milwaukee Police Department and the Milwaukee District Attorney.
It's a conspiracy.
I just wish he could explain to me what this ongoing stonewall is all about.
He also doesn't know who Broeker is, but he's sure he should be fired.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on July 20, 2011, 10:02:53 PM
The story just doesn't die. Good for Charlie Pierce. Someone has a sense of morals and is not afraid to admit that his alma mater committed a major wrong in many ways.
What do you want done here (other than be given more opportunities to climb aboard your high horse and play Internet justice crusader)?
The university had a bad policy. It admitted it had a bad policy. It's corrected the policy and made other changes to address its errors. The AD is gone for errors he may have had nothing to do with.
What more do you want? Do you want Buzz Williams fired for the university's administration of a policy that was established at least six years before he set foot on campus?
Seriously, beyond self-aggrandizement and grandstanding, what's your goal here?
Quote from: Hoopaloop on July 20, 2011, 10:02:53 PM
Charles Pierce, writer for the Boston Globe (also contributor to NY Times, LA Times, Chicago Tribune, SI, GQ and others) is a Marquette journalism graduate. He calls it like it is.
I'm old enough to remember Charles P. Pierce as a columnist for the Marquette Tribune. Charlie is the kind of columnist who would yell "fire" in a crowded theater and then blame the fire department for the ensuing mayhem. Anything for a story!
Look, Marquette made mistakes. It's unfortunate but mistakes are mistakes. There's mistakes of omission and comission. I tend to think that despite all the problems with our church, this one was the former rather than the latter. Let's see the policy change and, perhaps, even have an independent counsel review the compliance and issue a report beginning with the fall semester.
I believe in Marquette's values and I believe they do mean it when they say they made a mistake. It's those same values that have guided me in my life.
So, calm down Chuckie and go back to writing about the Big Dig.
Are we competing with BC for a local recruit!?! ?-(
Quote from: Hamostradamus on July 20, 2011, 11:00:24 PM
Seriously, what does this mean?
"And, by the way, what in the name of the FSM is going on here with the Milwaukee PD and the Milwaukee county DA? Any answer containing the phrase "Duke lacrosse case" is hereby ruled inadmissable.
Did he seriously invoke the name of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
Not to mention the worst error of the entire article...Red Star Yeast closed their Milwaukee plant years ago.
i actually think the yeast plant odor wasn't that bad. reminded me a little bit of when my ma would bake. it was the slaughter house stink that was bad when the wind blew in from the south-southwest. or the alewive stink from the lake-i think it was the alewives ::)?? sometimes it seemed to come from the uwm sorority region ;D
Agreed. The Red Star smell reminded me of Milwaukee. Not unpleasant.
The "smell of death" from the stock yards (which have also closed) was terrible though.
Can we get an official ruling on what the smell is in Milwaukee then? Is it the lake?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 21, 2011, 06:38:09 AM
Agreed. The Red Star smell reminded me of Milwaukee. Not unpleasant.
The "smell of death" from the stock yards (which have also closed) was terrible though.
I miss the yeast smell.
I do not miss the stock yards.
You want me to chime in, 4ever? Fine. Here goes.
As a journalist, Charlie has a right to his opinion. I often do not agree with him, and I don't agree 100% with him here. But I admit there are people here (gato, pakuni, to name a few) who clearly know more I than do. I was upset and disgusted by the reports, but like Charlie I am hundreds of miles away from campus and don't know exactly what happened here. That's why I have deliberately not chimed in with my view, which could very well be misinformed. It's obvious the school made mistakes and it has admitted them. Will The JS continue to fan the flames? Absolutely. It's a UW paper, and news like this sells papers.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on July 20, 2011, 10:02:53 PM
Says it looks like we apparently broke the law. Maybe Gato can explain to him how the Tribune and Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and other media outlets lied about MU personnel telling them that they broke the law but actually didn't, as only an attorney who refuses to answer questions honestly can do.
The story just doesn't die. Good for Charlie Pierce. Someone has a sense of morals and is not afraid to admit that his alma mater committed a major wrong in many ways.
You take an opinion blog posting that includes the language "
apparently broke the law," and you attempt to use that as support for your position that MU did in fact break the law? Wow.
Remind me to hire you as my attorney should I ever need one. This type of logic and reasoning is untouchable.
Quote from: ecompt on July 21, 2011, 07:55:44 AM
You want me to chime in, 4ever? Fine. Here goes.
As a journalist, Charlie has a right to his opinion. I often do not agree with him, and I don't agree 100% with him here. But I admit there are people here (gato, pakuni, to name a few) who clearly know more I than do. I was upset and disgusted by the reports, but like Charlie I am hundreds of miles away from campus and don't know exactly what happened here. That's why I have deliberately not chimed in with my view, which could very well be misinformed. It's obvious the school made mistakes and it has admitted them. Will The JS continue to fan the flames? Absolutely. It's a UW paper, and news like this sells papers.
The Journal Sentinel has a big picture of Buzz Williams on the sports page that says, "Undesireable No. 1" above it.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on July 21, 2011, 07:42:46 AM
I miss the yeast smell.
I do not miss the stock yards.
I tell people you can always tell which direction the wind is blowing in Milwaukee by the smell. The three choices were stockyard, yeast and chocolate. You mean all of them are now shut down?
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on July 21, 2011, 08:05:05 AM
The Journal Sentinel has a big picture of Buzz Williams on the sports page that says, "Undesireable No. 1" above it.
Saw that too.
Quote from: MUCam on July 21, 2011, 07:59:18 AM
You take an opinion blog posting that includes the language "apparently broke the law," and you attempt to use that as support for your position that MU did in fact break the law? Wow.
Remind me to hire you as my attorney should I ever need one. This type of logic and reasoning is untouchable.
Cam - The reality is, is that the original poster, Hoopaloop, is basically the reincarnation of Chicos - so viewed from that lens....the content and thought process shouldn't come as a surprise.
I miss the yeast most of all. When I was out of Milwaukee for any amount of time, I'd always drive through the Valley. That yeast smell was the smell of home.
Isn't this the same Charlie Pierce who wrote an attack piece on Buzz Williams for keeping him (Charlie) waiting after the Seton Hall game with a team meeting that turned the season around? Good to see he's still a fan.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 21, 2011, 08:52:26 AM
Isn't this the same Charlie Pierce who wrote an attack piece on Buzz Williams for keeping him (Charlie) waiting after the Seton Hall game with a team meeting that turned the season around? Good to see he's still a fan.
Nah, different guy from the Star-Ledger.
http://jimhaguesports.blogspot.com/2011/03/buzz-apologizes-to-me-and-im-not-there.html
Quote from: marqptm on July 21, 2011, 07:07:05 AM
Can we get an official ruling on what the smell is in Milwaukee then? Is it the lake?
West wind = Miller
North wind = Pabst
South/Southwest = Slaughter House (those days sucked ass)
The rare East wind = Ambrosia Chocolate! Nothing better than walking outside after class and having the entire campus smell like chocolate
Not sure if all those fine establishments are still open or not now.
Quote from: lurch91 on July 21, 2011, 08:58:19 AM
West wind = Miller
North wind = Pabst
South/Southwest = Slaughter House (those days sucked ass)
The rare East wind = Ambrosia Chocolate! Nothing better than walking outside after class and having the entire campus smell like chocolate
Not sure if all those fine establishments are still open or not now.
Only Miller is left.
Quote from: lurch91 on July 21, 2011, 08:58:19 AM
West wind = Miller
North wind = Pabst
South/Southwest = Slaughter House (those days sucked ass)
The rare East wind = Ambrosia Chocolate! Nothing better than walking outside after class and having the entire campus smell like chocolate
Not sure if all those fine establishments are still open or not now.
Oh man I miss that Ambrosia Chocolate smell! I don't think it's a coincidence that Wisconsin fell fast from the #1 spot in the "Fattest State" competition once Ambrosia went out of business :)
Ambrosia Chocolate moved to the burbs years ago; IIRC, Milwaukee annexed part of Menomonee Falls so Ambrosia would still be in Milwaukee
First off, this hatchet job isn't even an article, it is a blog paragraph, and who found it? Hoopaloop? A guy with 48 posts? He sure seems to write and attack just like Chico did. My guess is that Hoopaloop is either Chico or Charles Pierce.
"Yep, I live in Boston, I read the Chicago Tribune attack, I read Michael Hunt's piece - I know exactly what happened." Unreal.
Yes. Milwaukee actually exists in parts of three counties. Milwaukee, Waukesha and either Ozaukee or Washington. By the landfill where those four counties meet.
Quote from: IWB on July 21, 2011, 09:15:46 AM
First off, this hatchet job isn't even an article, it is a blog paragraph, and who found it? Hoopaloop? A guy with 48 posts? He sure seems to write and attack just like Chico did. My guess is that Hoopaloop is either Chico or Charles Pierce.
"Yep, I live in Boston, I read the Chicago Tribune attack, I read Michael Hunt's piece - I know exactly what happened." Unreal.
Getcha popcorn ready.
Quote from: Ners on July 21, 2011, 08:28:32 AM
Cam - The reality is, is that the original poster, Hoopaloop, is basically the reincarnation of Chicos - so viewed from that lens....the content and thought process shouldn't come as a surprise.
Dammit, why didn't I catch that??? Exact same posting style - SOOOOOOOOO ANNOYING
concerning the picture and underlying caption about Buzz.
Maybe i am dense but it makes no sense to me...can anyone translate?
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on July 21, 2011, 09:33:22 AM
concerning the picture and underlying caption about Buzz.
Maybe i am dense but it makes no sense to me...can anyone translate?
It's Buzz photoshopped into a harry potter poster. It's a joke.
(http://data.whicdn.com/images/5047808/NN7023Lh_thumb.jpg)
I still don't understand the reference. There is no story that goes along with it right? I don't see anything on their site.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 21, 2011, 09:58:37 AM
I still don't understand the reference. There is no story that goes along with it right? I don't see anything on their site.
I can explain the joke/reference in a PM if you'd like.
I don't really need to nerd out more that I aready have for the day.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on July 21, 2011, 09:59:52 AM
I can explain the joke/reference in a PM if you'd like.
I don't really need to nerd out more that I aready have for the day.
What do you mean?
Best regards,
Xenophilius Lovegood
Quote from: reinko on July 21, 2011, 10:00:57 AM
What do you mean?
Best regards,
Xenophilius Lovegood
Today, you can be the winner.
Find any Crumple Horned Snorkack's lately?
Whatever happened happened. I just can't wait for the season to get started so we could focus on something else. As soon as Pilarz arrives, they should start the search for a new AD. At least get some names circulating. That would at least get the focus off the incident and on the future.
I really just want to know if it is an insult or not...or really what the point of it is...
This guy must be desperate for news.
Quote from: msbjim on July 21, 2011, 10:18:43 AM
This guy must be desperate for news.
He should focus on the heat wave, that's been vastly under covered.
Quote from: marqptm on July 21, 2011, 10:24:50 AM
He should focus on the heat wave, that's been vastly under covered.
Its hot out?
Quote from: reinko on July 21, 2011, 10:00:57 AM
What do you mean?
Best regards,
Xenophilius Lovegood
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on July 21, 2011, 10:06:19 AM
Today, you can be the winner.
Find any Crumple Horned Snorkack's lately?
you two are my heroes for the day
signed, fellow nerd
Quote from: Brewtown Andy on July 21, 2011, 03:29:33 AM
Did he seriously invoke the name of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?
+1. That's what I thought, too.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 20, 2011, 11:18:29 PM
The university had a bad policy.
I cringe at that statement, ever since I read the letter to the editor from the sexual assault counselor who wrote "This policy change, directed by the Milwaukee County district attorney's office, strips victims on one campus of this autonomy (to decide not to report) and may have the unintended consequence of silencing rape victims."
Where is this pic? I saw the link here, but it wasn't in today's paper sports section and I don't see it on the website. Frankly, I'm a bit skeptical because it seems a bit harsh from the local paper, even for the JS.
And for Sultan, it would definitely be an insult, though a bit tongue-in-cheek considering the new Potter movie just came out.
Guys, it was a photoshopped joke. I've never read or seen a Harry Potter but that was a pretty obvious photoshop, and I don't think it was malicious in any way.
Quote from: Jamailman on July 21, 2011, 11:30:54 AM
Guys, it was a photoshopped joke. I've never read or seen a Harry Potter but that was a pretty obvious photoshop, and I don't think it was malicious in any way.
MS Paint sucka. Photoshop is too fancy.
Quote from: reinko on July 21, 2011, 08:55:10 AM
Nah, different guy from the Star-Ledger.
http://jimhaguesports.blogspot.com/2011/03/buzz-apologizes-to-me-and-im-not-there.html
My mistake.
Quote from: IWB on July 21, 2011, 09:15:46 AM
First off, this hatchet job isn't even an article, it is a blog paragraph, and who found it? Hoopaloop? A guy with 48 posts? He sure seems to write and attack just like Chico did. My guess is that Hoopaloop is either Chico or Charles Pierce.
"Yep, I live in Boston, I read the Chicago Tribune attack, I read Michael Hunt's piece - I know exactly what happened." Unreal.
Chicos lives! Chicos Lives! Thank God Almighty Chicos Lives!
Quote from: Jamailman on July 21, 2011, 11:30:54 AM
Guys, it was a photoshopped joke. I've never read or seen a Harry Potter but that was a pretty obvious photoshop, and I don't think it was malicious in any way.
Thought it might be, but on the 2x3 inch iPhone screen, it looked pretty good. Can't wait 'til I can upgrade from 3G to 5G.
Quote from: IWB on July 21, 2011, 09:15:46 AM
First off, this hatchet job isn't even an article, it is a blog paragraph, and who found it? Hoopaloop? A guy with 48 posts? He sure seems to write and attack just like Chico did. My guess is that Hoopaloop is either Chico or Charles Pierce.
"Yep, I live in Boston, I read the Chicago Tribune attack, I read Michael Hunt's piece - I know exactly what happened." Unreal.
The only guy who would put forth the effort to discover Hoopaloop's true identity? Chicos, of course. Oh the irony.
If Chicos actually created Hoopaloop as his alter ego and fellow traveler in anticipation of a long "vacation" (ban) - well, that's pretty funny. Two guys who are the same guy congratulating themselves for being the only two good, loyal MU fans who don't have their heads in the sand - priceless.
You flat out skippin' 4G?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 21, 2011, 12:29:31 PM
You flat out skippin' 4G?
I'd like to. My 3G contract is up in February, and last I heard the 5G was slated for late this year, by which time I should be able to upgrade. Figure why pay for two upgrades when this thing will suit me fine for another 4-7 months.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 21, 2011, 12:29:23 PM
The only guy who would put forth the effort to discover Hoopaloop's true identity? Chicos, of course. Oh the irony.
If Chicos actually created Hoopaloop as his alter ego and fellow traveler in anticipation of a long "vacation" (ban) - well, that's pretty funny. Two guys who are the same guy congratulating themselves for being the only two good, loyal MU fans who don't have their heads in the sand - priceless.
Maybe there are ghosts in the machine?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 21, 2011, 12:29:23 PM
The only guy who would put forth the effort to discover Hoopaloop's true identity? Chicos, of course. Oh the irony.
If Chicos actually created Hoopaloop as his alter ego and fellow traveler in anticipation of a long "vacation" (ban) - well, that's pretty funny. Two guys who are the same guy congratulating themselves for being the only two good, loyal MU fans who don't have their heads in the sand - priceless.
I think it's even funnier that people find themselves so empty without a Chicos to bash on that they need to hypothesize whether poster X is actually Chicos from the dead.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on July 21, 2011, 11:21:20 AM
I cringe at that statement, ever since I read the letter to the editor from the sexual assault counselor who wrote "This policy change, directed by the Milwaukee County district attorney's office, strips victims on one campus of this autonomy (to decide not to report) and may have the unintended consequence of silencing rape victims."
If that's true, are you hard at work getting the State of Wisconsin to void the law so that no security force in the state has to follow the policy? They were violating the law. Hopefully now they are going to follow the law. You can argue on the merits of the law, but the school should at least consider itself below the law and follow the law.
Quote from: g0lden3agle on July 21, 2011, 12:47:27 PM
I think it's even funnier that people find themselves so empty without a Chicos to bash on that they need to hypothesize whether poster X is actually Chicos from the dead.
You're probably Chicos, too.
Free the Indianapolis 500 and Chicos too.
Quote from: warrior07 on July 21, 2011, 12:50:40 PM
If that's true, are you hard at work getting the State of Wisconsin to void the law so that no security force in the state has to follow the policy? They were violating the law. Hopefully now they are going to follow the law. You can argue on the merits of the law, but the school should at least consider itself below the law and follow the law.
And despite so many people claiming MU was breaking the law, no one has actually found and cited this law they supposedly broke. If Marquette had broken a law, the University would be facing charges. Until either that happens or someone produces the statute they broke, all these claims from posters and uneducated journalists are baseless.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 21, 2011, 01:01:12 PM
And despite so many people claiming MU was breaking the law, no one has actually found and cited this law they supposedly broke. If Marquette had broken a law, the University would be facing charges. Until either that happens or someone produces the statute they broke, all these claims from posters and uneducated journalists are baseless.
Dollars to doughnuts, there is an email trail between DPS and MPD acknowledging that MPD was aware of what DPS was doing, and was OK with it. MPD and the DA told MU to be quiet about that in exchange for no charges filed.
Quote from: ringout on July 21, 2011, 01:05:05 PM
Dollars to doughnuts, there is an email trail between DPS and MPD acknowledging that MPD was aware of what DPS was doing, and was OK with it. MPD and the DA told MU to be quiet about that in exchange for no charges filed.
So you are alleging a criminal conspiracy to cover up Marquette's actions by the cops, Marquette and the DA's office? I bet the US Attorney's Office would love this--why don't you report it?
Brew. MU flat out admitted to not following the law. I don't know why a specific law needs to be referenced since all parties seem to acknowledge it. Also I thing alleged victims need to be counseled to go to student affairs to be counseled for rape if they want to do so anonymously. DPS is just like going to the police. DPS is not an anonymous service.
Quote from: warrior07 on July 21, 2011, 12:50:40 PM
If that's true, are you hard at work getting the State of Wisconsin to void the law so that no security force in the state has to follow the policy?
Nope, I'm not. But perhaps the sexual assault responder community are doing so.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 21, 2011, 01:26:57 PMBrew. MU flat out admitted to not following the law. I don't know why a specific law needs to be referenced since all parties seem to acknowledge it. Also I thing alleged victims need to be counseled to go to student affairs to be counseled for rape if they want to do so anonymously. DPS is just like going to the police. DPS is not an anonymous service.
A non-lawyer saying Marquette broke the law, even if it's a Marquette representative, doesn't make it so. I simply don't believe Chisholm and other state authorities would turn a blind eye to ten years of law-breaking because MU said "sorry, we won't do it again". If this was true, the University would be in serious trouble. I honestly don't care if it came from Wilde himself. Was he just regurgitating Chisholm's rant? And if the DA was looking for a career-making case, plastering Marquette to the wall over this would be much bigger than just charging a few basketball players. Anyone who thinks Marquette has a ten-year history of legal violations that the DA and MPD are just willing to ignore is seriously delusional.
I do agree on the counseling, and I do worry that this policy could have some negative effects on victims in the future.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 21, 2011, 01:26:57 PM
Brew. MU flat out admitted to not following the law. I don't know why a specific law needs to be referenced since all parties seem to acknowledge it. Also I thing alleged victims need to be counseled to go to student affairs to be counseled for rape if they want to do so anonymously. DPS is just like going to the police. DPS is not an anonymous service.
Doesn't the law state that a private security firm that
believes a crime has been committed must report it to the police? If they didn't believe a crime had been committed, there is no requirement to report.940.34(2)(b)
(b) Any person licensed as a private detective or granted a private security permit under s. 440.26 who has reasonable grounds to believe that a crime is being committed or has been committed shall notify promptly an appropriate law enforcement agency of the facts which form the basis for this belief
For a conviction, it must be proved that an accused believed a crime was being committed and that a victim was exposed to bodily harm.
Until I see a quote from MU officials, I would tend to believe they meant they were misapplying the standard of "belief".
4 in the last school year...http://www.campussafetymagazine.com/Channel/University-Security/News/2011/04/19/Univ-Reexamines-Sexual-Assault-Reporting-Policy.aspx
I'm Chicos. 8-)
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 21, 2011, 01:26:57 PM
Brew. MU flat out admitted to not following the law. I don't know why a specific law needs to be referenced since all parties seem to acknowledge it. Also I thing alleged victims need to be counseled to go to student affairs to be counseled for rape if they want to do so anonymously. DPS is just like going to the police. DPS is not an anonymous service.
There is a state statute that requires a licensed private security officer/operation to report to law enforcement when they "have reasonable grounds" to believe a crime has been or will be committed. That's the law.
However, the "reasonable grounds" phrase leaves some subjectivity in its application.
What some seem to be missing, however, is that this is a
civil, not criminal, law. So, if MU were to be in violation, they wouldn't be charged. They could be sued for non-compliance, and there might be some financial punishment if a court agrees that's the case, but Father Wild isn't doing a perp walk over this.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 21, 2011, 10:10:37 AM
Whatever happened happened. I just can't wait for the season to get started so we could focus on something else.
AMEN TO THAT. This crap is soooo tired.
(http://images.mylot.com/userImages/images/postphotos/2233652.jpg)
Quote from: ringout on July 21, 2011, 01:05:05 PM
Dollars to doughnuts, there is an email trail between DPS and MPD acknowledging that MPD was aware of what DPS was doing, and was OK with it. MPD and the DA told MU to be quiet about that in exchange for no charges filed.
Yeah, I'll go with doughnuts on that one.
"Well your honor, we've got plenty of hearsay and conjecture. Those are
kinds of evidence."
(http://images1.makefive.com/images/entertainment/television/best-simpsons-character/lionel-hutz-7.jpg)
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 21, 2011, 12:37:02 PM
Maybe there are ghosts in the machine?
Now that's funny.
Quote from: reinko on July 21, 2011, 11:32:27 AM
MS Paint sucka. Photoshop is too fancy.
MS Paint is for playas.
Photoshop is for pimps and hoes.
Quote from: Gato78 on July 21, 2011, 01:20:36 PM
So you are alleging a criminal conspiracy to cover up Marquette's actions by the cops, Marquette and the DA's office? I bet the US Attorney's Office would love this--why don't you report it?
Obviously, I'm speculating.
Don't tell me that MPD never knew what DPS was doing. It was going on for 10 years. MPD knew, and for budget and time reasons, never pushed it. Each organization can be made to look bad. That's why everybody is willing to let it go.
Quote from: lab_warrior on July 21, 2011, 02:22:43 PM
Yeah, I'll go with doughnuts on that one.
"Well your honor, we've got plenty of hearsay and conjecture. Those are kinds of evidence."
(http://images1.makefive.com/images/entertainment/television/best-simpsons-character/lionel-hutz-7.jpg)
That is why MPD and the DA will never pursue this.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 21, 2011, 02:16:01 PM
There is a state statute that requires a licensed private security officer/operation to report to law enforcement when they "have reasonable grounds" to believe a crime has been or will be committed. That's the law.
However, the "reasonable grounds" phrase leaves some subjectivity in its application.
What some seem to be missing, however, is that this is a civil, not criminal, law. So, if MU were to be in violation, they wouldn't be charged. They could be sued for non-compliance, and there might be some financial punishment if a court agrees that's the case, but Father Wild isn't doing a perp walk over this.
Violation of the statute is a Class C Misdemeanor -- a criminal offense. It is
not a civil matter.
You don't have to be a natural person to be found guilty of a criminal offense. If the security officer violated the statute, he can be charged criminally. If Marquette violated the statute, it too can be charged criminally. Criminal actions aren't just reserved for natural persons, although when an entity is charged criminally, you're not going to put someone in jail... but there could be fines, sanctions, etc.
If MU, MPD, and the DA are all on the same page that Marquette broke the law (as some people have claimed), yet the DA hasn't brought any charges, then the City of Milwaukee has a much bigger problem than anything that's going on at Marquette.
Quote from: Benny B on July 22, 2011, 10:41:35 AM
Violation of the statute is a Class C Misdemeanor -- a criminal offense. It is not a civil matter.
You don't have to be a natural person to be found guilty of a criminal offense. If the security officer violated the statute, he can be charged criminally. If Marquette violated the statute, it too can be charged criminally. Criminal actions aren't just reserved for natural persons, although when an entity is charged criminally, you're not going to put someone in jail... but there could be fines, sanctions, etc.
If MU, MPD, and the DA are all on the same page that Marquette broke the law (as some people have claimed), yet the DA hasn't brought any charges, then the City of Milwaukee has a much bigger problem than anything that's going on at Marquette.
Cite?
Quote from: Pakuni on July 22, 2011, 02:55:32 PM
Cite?
Wis. Stat. section 940.34(2)(b) provides: "Any person licensed as a private detective or granted a private security permit under s. 440.26 who has reasonable grounds to believe that a crime is being committed or has been committed shall notify promptly an appropriate law enforcement agency of the facts which form the basis for this belief."
Wis. Stat. section 940.34(1)(b) provides: "Whoever violates sub. (2)(b) is guilty of a Class C misdemeanor and is subject to discipline under s. 440.26(6)."
http://nxt.legis.state.wi.us/nxt/gateway.dll?f=templates&fn=default.htm&d=stats&jd=ch.%20940 (http://nxt.legis.state.wi.us/nxt/gateway.dll?f=templates&fn=default.htm&d=stats&jd=ch.%20940)
Booorrrrring
Quote from: Man Clam Chow on July 22, 2011, 04:49:47 PM
Wis. Stat. section 940.34(2)(b) provides: "Any person licensed as a private detective or granted a private security permit under s. 440.26 who has reasonable grounds to believe that a crime is being committed or has been committed shall notify promptly an appropriate law enforcement agency of the facts which form the basis for this belief."
Wis. Stat. section 940.34(1)(b) provides: "Whoever violates sub. (2)(b) is guilty of a Class C misdemeanor and is subject to discipline under s. 440.26(6)."
http://nxt.legis.state.wi.us/nxt/gateway.dll?f=templates&fn=default.htm&d=stats&jd=ch.%20940 (http://nxt.legis.state.wi.us/nxt/gateway.dll?f=templates&fn=default.htm&d=stats&jd=ch.%20940)
Thanks.
I stand corrected.
They investigated. In their opinion, they did not have reasonable grounds to think a crime was committed.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 20, 2011, 10:14:44 PM
Thank goodness for all the journalists that clearly know more about the law than the lawyers do.
Since when do all the lawyers know everything about the law? Wouldn't we have 9-0 Supreme Court cases if that were the case. Wouldn't we have no trials if that were the case, after all I see one lawyer arguing one thing and another lawyer on the other side arguing something else.
Shame that the Chicago Tribune, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, and the various other news outlets smeared Marquette and intentionally lied about MU admitting to breaking the law. One would think all the lawyers here would want MU to file lawsuits against those institutions for smearing MU. Can MU file a lawsuit against their own President, Father Wild, since his email to faculty and staff essentially said NOW we are going to start following the law.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 21, 2011, 01:01:12 PM
And despite so many people claiming MU was breaking the law, no one has actually found and cited this law they supposedly broke. If Marquette had broken a law, the University would be facing charges. Until either that happens or someone produces the statute they broke, all these claims from posters and uneducated journalists are baseless.
Pierce is an uneducated journalist?
1) He is a Marquette graduate, so you've just condemned MU journalism grads
2) For being uneducated, how has he been able to write over the years for the New York Times, Chicago Tribune, LA Times, Sports Illustrated, Journal Sentinel and participate on ESPN roundtables, NESN and other formats. These do not appear to be destinations of those that are uneducated.
3) How dare he, as an alumnus of this university, weigh in on the matter and use his bullhorn to do so.
Think about what some of you are saying. If one dares to challenge the university, then that person shall feel the wrath for questioning the school, their decisions, and their policies. Are you sure some of you actually attended MU because that is not how we were taught to think.
Sure was nice the past week when this topic was dead and we actually talked about basketball.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on July 31, 2011, 03:10:06 PM
Pierce is an uneducated journalist?
1) He is a Marquette graduate, so you've just condemned MU journalism grads
2) For being uneducated, how has he been able to write over the years for the New York Times, Chicago Tribune, LA Times, Sports Illustrated, Journal Sentinel and participate on ESPN roundtables, NESN and other formats. These do not appear to be destinations of those that are uneducated.
3) How dare he, as an alumnus of this university, weigh in on the matter and use his bullhorn to do so.
Think about what some of you are saying. If one dares to challenge the university, then that person shall feel the wrath for questioning the school, their decisions, and their policies. Are you sure some of you actually attended MU because that is not how we were taught to think.
I was under the assumption that brew was saying that Pierce was uneducated regarding the SUBJECT matter, not uneducated overall.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on August 01, 2011, 08:48:06 AM
I was under the assumption that brew was saying that Pierce was uneducated regarding the SUBJECT matter, not uneducated overall.
Exactly right. I graduated from the College of Communications too, but that doesn't make me enough of a legal expert that I would claim to know more about this stuff than Gato.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on July 31, 2011, 02:49:34 PM
Since when do all the lawyers know everything about the law? Wouldn't we have 9-0 Supreme Court cases if that were the case. Wouldn't we have no trials if that were the case, after all I see one lawyer arguing one thing and another lawyer on the other side arguing something else.
Shame that the Chicago Tribune, Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, and the various other news outlets smeared Marquette and intentionally lied about MU admitting to breaking the law. One would think all the lawyers here would want MU to file lawsuits against those institutions for smearing MU. Can MU file a lawsuit against their own President, Father Wild, since his email to faculty and staff essentially said NOW we are going to start following the law.
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Quote from: Benny B on August 01, 2011, 09:36:12 AM
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Par for the course with said poster. For a minute I thought we'd all gotten lucky and said poster was banned as he'd been idle for roughly a week. Perhaps just a 1-week ban.
Considering we had other good basketball related topics being debated last week yet the only area said poster chose to involve themself was in the one topic that he can rip MU - just awesome!
Quote from: Hoopaloop on July 31, 2011, 03:10:06 PM
Pierce is an uneducated journalist?
1) He is a Marquette graduate, so you've just condemned MU journalism grads
2) For being uneducated, how has he been able to write over the years for the New York Times, Chicago Tribune, LA Times, Sports Illustrated, Journal Sentinel and participate on ESPN roundtables, NESN and other formats. These do not appear to be destinations of those that are uneducated.
3) How dare he, as an alumnus of this university, weigh in on the matter and use his bullhorn to do so.
Think about what some of you are saying. If one dares to challenge the university, then that person shall feel the wrath for questioning the school, their decisions, and their policies. Are you sure some of you actually attended MU because that is not how we were taught to think.
Thanks for the lecture Hoopaloop (or whoever you are). Just so I have this straight - if one reaches the same conclusions as you they are seekers of truth and critical thinkers, but if, after considering the facts, they disagree with you they're either phony alums or a disgrace to the university. And that's what you gleaned from your Marquette education. Think you missed something.
Who is Hoopaloop?......I mean who is he really?
Quote from: ringout on August 01, 2011, 10:11:13 AM
Who is Hoopaloop?......I mean who is he really?
It's rocky_warrior.
Abe Froman?
Quote from: ringout on August 01, 2011, 10:11:13 AM
Who is Hoopaloop?......I mean who is he really?
John Galt??
I'm figurin' Crean
Quote from: Hoopaloop on July 31, 2011, 02:49:34 PM
Since when do all the lawyers know everything about the law?
That statement right there shows the stupidity of the man. Of course we lawyers know everything about the law. But if we all agreed about what we know, rather than argue about it, how would we be able to bill the way we do?
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on August 02, 2011, 05:11:32 PM
That statement right there shows the stupidity of the man. Of course we lawyers know everything about the law. But if we all agreed about what we know, rather than argue about it, how would we be able to bill the way we do?
Yep, the eternal quiet Ponzi scheme.... :P
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 01, 2011, 09:59:30 AM
Thanks for the lecture Hoopaloop (or whoever you are). Just so I have this straight - if one reaches the same conclusions as you they are seekers of truth and critical thinkers, but if, after considering the facts, they disagree with you they're either phony alums or a disgrace to the university. And that's what you gleaned from your Marquette education. Think you missed something.
It wasn't a lecture. It was providing another viewpoint, for which typically around here the bunker mentality kicks in and attack the messenger mode is in high gear. Something you just chastized in your own response.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on August 14, 2011, 03:30:50 PMIt wasn't a lecture. It was providing another viewpoint, for which typically around here the bunker mentality kicks in and attack the messenger mode is in high gear. Something you just chastized in your own response.
You really just can't let this thread die, can you? What's your obsession with it? It goes away for a week or two, then you bump it. Jesus, man, let it go.
Give Chicos a break Brew...he must have gotten back from vacation or something...