Did you not read the 10 page thread regarding the Chicago Tribune expose piece on the Sexual Assault case at Marquette? Marquette will never be able to recruit again in Chicago, because even though no charges were filed against the Marquette players - based on the way the MU administration handled things - recruits won't want to come play at Marquette.
Did you not know that potential recruits and their parents are most concerned with the protocols for handling allegations of sexual assault between a private school and public law enforcement? That far trumps the ability of the basketball program being able to take 3 star talent and get it drafted in the NBA.
Furthermore, as MU alum we should all be ashamed of our university, and the perception of MU is forever tarnished. I'm ashamed I graduated from Marquette.
Nice post ners. And to answer your question, I did not wade through those 10 pages of posts!
Quote from: Ners on June 26, 2011, 01:48:31 PM
Did you not read the 10 page thread regarding the Chicago Tribune expose piece on the Sexual Assault case at Marquette? Marquette will never be able to recruit again in Chicago, because even though no charges were filed against the Marquette players - based on the way the MU administration handled things - recruits won't want to come play at Marquette.
Did you not know that potential recruits and their parents are most concerned with the protocols for handling allegations of sexual assault between a private school and public law enforcement? That far trumps the ability of the basketball program being able to take 3 star talent and get it drafted in the NBA.
Furthermore, as MU alum we should all be ashamed of our university, and the perception of MU is forever tarnished. I'm ashamed I graduated from Marquette.
I think this is an over reation. It has a short-term effect at most. Most of Buzz's recruiting is outside of Chicago. Buzz could also tell recruits that players were not thrown under the bus when they made mistakes. The only real effect I see is on the parents of recruits who will be more upset with this than a 17-18 hormonal teenager.
Gas Station Employee: "I'm picking up your sarcasm."
Richard Hayden: "Well, I should hope so, because I'm laying it on pretty thick"
Did you really take Ners' post seriously bilsu?
Quote from: Ners on June 26, 2011, 01:48:31 PM
Did you not read the 10 page thread regarding the Chicago Tribune expose piece on the Sexual Assault case at Marquette? Marquette will never be able to recruit again in Chicago, because even though no charges were filed against the Marquette players - based on the way the MU administration handled things - recruits won't want to come play at Marquette.
Did you not know that potential recruits and their parents are most concerned with the protocols for handling allegations of sexual assault between a private school and public law enforcement? That far trumps the ability of the basketball program being able to take 3 star talent and get it drafted in the NBA.
Furthermore, as MU alum we should all be ashamed of our university, and the perception of MU is forever tarnished. I'm ashamed I graduated from Marquette.
Simple question: Which of these two options would have better for MU's overall reputation:
A: Just one article: This story on McNeal and Butler.
B: Two articles in the same week: The page one story about lax reactions to alleged sexual assault and this story on McNeal and Butler.
Quote from: Marquette84 on June 26, 2011, 05:09:07 PM
Simple question: Which of these two options would have better for MU's overall reputation:
A: Just one article: This story on McNeal and Butler.
B: Two articles in the same week: The page one story about lax reactions to alleged sexual assault and this story on McNeal and Butler.
I'll take "B" for $500 84. I believe hormonal 17 year old boys will be happy that they can attend a university with lax reactions to sexual misconduct allegations. It should give them confidence to know that if they begin a consensual sexual act, they won't be charged with rape.
Quote from: Ners on June 26, 2011, 01:48:31 PM
Did you not read the 10 page thread regarding the Chicago Tribune expose piece on the Sexual Assault case at Marquette? Marquette will never be able to recruit again in Chicago, because even though no charges were filed against the Marquette players - based on the way the MU administration handled things - recruits won't want to come play at Marquette.
Did you not know that potential recruits and their parents are most concerned with the protocols for handling allegations of sexual assault between a private school and public law enforcement? That far trumps the ability of the basketball program being able to take 3 star talent and get it drafted in the NBA.
Furthermore, as MU alum we should all be ashamed of our university, and the perception of MU is forever tarnished. I'm ashamed I graduated from Marquette.
in all reality I would guess that Trib story would hurt recruiting female students but not deter an athlete in the least
Quote from: Jamailman on June 26, 2011, 03:35:18 PM
Gas Station Employee: "I'm picking up your sarcasm."
Richard Hayden: "Well, I should hope so, because I'm laying it on pretty thick"
Did you really take Ners' post seriously bilsu?
To be honest, I did not even know it was Ners post I was responding to. Besides that I have no idea who Ners is and I do not care who he is. I respond to what is said in a post and rarely pay attention to who is posting it.
Quote from: bilsu on June 27, 2011, 10:30:25 AM
To be honest, I did not even know it was Ners post I was responding to. Besides that I have no idea who Ners is and I do not care who he is. I respond to what is said in a post and rarely pay attention to who is posting it.
Way to completely miss the point twice in the same thread. Jamailman was pointing out that the post you were replying to was full of sarcasm that you missed, regardless of who was the author of that post.
I felt I authored enough of a sarcastic post, that it wouldn't need the standard utilization of teal. Apparently not. Obviously there are conflicting opinions on the recent sexual assault allegations, but I felt a little levity to an unfortunate situation was necessary.
Like life, MU isn't perfect, its players aren't always perfect, and there aren't always perfect outcomes to he said, she said situations. But it is sad that this thread is struggling to get to a 2nd page, yet the hate-mongers were able to perpetuate the other Chicago Tribune story to a 10-page thread. And we wonder why media generally tell far more negative stories than positive??
Quote from: g0lden3agle on June 27, 2011, 10:45:30 AM
Way to completely miss the point twice in the same thread. Jamailman was pointing out that the post you were replying to was full of sarcasm that you missed, regardless of who was the author of that post.
I see no indication that the post was being sarcastic. Maybe, if you know Ners you might know that. It certainly on the face of it sounded like an anti MU post to me and way over the top.
Quote from: bilsu on June 27, 2011, 10:30:25 AM
I have no idea who Ners is and I do not care who he is.
Wow. So much for Christian brotherhood. Is a round of Kumbaya in order?
Quote from: warthog-driver on June 26, 2011, 11:55:42 PM
Once again Joanie lays it on the line. Her love for The Tanned One knows no bounds.
Can you show me where 84 mentioned Crean, hinted about Crean, etc, etc? I don't see it anywhere. As an honored man with a military background (which you share with us often...thank you for your service), shouldn't you be on the up and up when making your accusations. I realize you don't care for 84 (or me) but that doesn't give you the right to make stuff up.
Here's what he said:"
Simple question: Which of these two options would have better for MU's overall reputation:
A: Just one article: This story on McNeal and Butler.
B: Two articles in the same week: The page one story about lax reactions to alleged sexual assault and this story on McNeal and Butler."
Warthog, where is there a mention of anything to do with any coach...Crean, Buzz, John Wooden, or Rex Ryan for that matter? What leads you to state "
Once again Joanie lays it on the line. Her love for The Tanned One knows no bounds"? I expected more from a man in the military. At the very least, I would expect now an acknowledgment that you were in error.
Smoke 'em if you got 'em, folks
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 27, 2011, 03:25:37 PM
Can you show me where 84 mentioned Crean, hinted about Crean, etc, etc? I don't see it anywhere. As an honored man with a military background (which you share with us often...thank you for your service), shouldn't you be on the up and up when making your accusations. I realize you don't care for 84 (or me) but that doesn't give you the right to make stuff up.
Here's what he said:"
Simple question: Which of these two options would have better for MU's overall reputation:
A: Just one article: This story on McNeal and Butler.
B: Two articles in the same week: The page one story about lax reactions to alleged sexual assault and this story on McNeal and Butler."
Warthog, where is there a mention of anything to do with any coach...Crean, Buzz, John Wooden, or Rex Ryan for that matter? What leads you to state "Once again Joanie lays it on the line. Her love for The Tanned One knows no bounds"? I expected more from a man in the military. At the very least, I would expect now an acknowledgment that you were in error.
I'm thinkin' that you might be waiting a long time for an apology, er, "acknowledgement", for Warthog's slap at 84.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 27, 2011, 03:25:37 PM
At the very least, I would expect now an acknowledgment that you were in error.
This made my day.
You really need to stop expecting certain behaviors from people simply due to their background.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 28, 2011, 10:07:39 AM
When he (Warthog) has thrown in our faces how honorable he is as a military man, how he is holds himself to certain standards, I think it's fair game then to call him on it. Those were his words, let's see him walk the walk. "I care about honor, character, dignity"...those were his words. I enjoy Warthog's posts most of the time, but when he's claiming something is there that absolutely isn't, how is this anything short of a fabrication?
I suspect Leever is right, and he'll go AWOL....pun intended. I'd be happy to be wrong and will admit it.
Fair enough.
With all the BS that gets spewed on this board, my post that simply states, "Get a life, Chicos" is deleted by the mods?! Apparently that comment is more offensive than basically naming the players who were accused of sexual assault.
Oh well. What can ya do?
I totally approve of the new title for this thread.
also, Tom Crean
I could not care less about recruiting when it comes to an article on the administration's handling of sexual assault claims. When the #1 paper in the Midwest decides we need to be investigated and when our admin are claimed to have said: "Why don't you pray about it"; we have bigger problems than getting in the next 4-Star PF.
I find it embarrassing that people see that article and think about recruiting first.
Quote from: The Lens on June 28, 2011, 11:05:21 AM
I could not care less about recruiting when it comes to an article on the administration's handling of sexual assault claims. When the #1 paper in the Midwest decides we need to be investigated and when our admin are claimed to have said: "Why don't you pray about it"; we have bigger problems than getting in the next 4-Star PF.
I find it embarrassing that people see that article and think about recruiting first.
Claims and allegations are not always facts. As mentioned, negative news sells - as we can see from the thread length between the Jimmy and Jerel story, versus the sex assault story. Reporters are hungry to scoop and get their name in the limelight...and are always after expose pieces.
Obviously none of us would like to have MU in the news for how it handled an ALLEGED sexual assault that began as consensual sex - but I don't think MU deserves all the bitch slapping its gotten here.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 27, 2011, 03:25:37 PM
I expected more from a man in the military. At the very least, I would expect now an acknowledgment that you were in error.
I acknowledge the sheer folly of responding to this post, but, I find Chicos asking for an acknowledgement of error HILARIOUS.
I am also prepared for the ad hominem attacks to be unleashed, and apologize ahead of time.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 28, 2011, 10:49:48 AM
With all the BS that gets spewed on this board, my post that simply states, "Get a life, Chicos" is deleted by the mods?! Apparently that comment is more offensive than basically naming the players who were accused of sexual assault.
Oh well. What can ya do?
Sorry, MM. At first I was going to delete all this nonsense. It became easier to just split it off so the orgy of bickering could continue.
http://www.youtube.com/v/YOm87T9I86E?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on June 28, 2011, 12:12:49 PM
Sorry, MM. At first I was going to delete all this nonsense. It became easier to just split it off so the orgy of bickering could continue.
http://www.youtube.com/v/YOm87T9I86E?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0
No big deal. Thanks for splitting it off. No one likes the guy who breaks up an orgy.
Quote from: Henry Sugar on June 28, 2011, 10:57:23 AM
also, Tom Crean
Preternaturally tan.
Oh wait, this wasn't word association?
Also, I demand an apology and an acknowledgement of your sins.
Times they are a slow on this board.
Why is this thread even in existence?
So that Ners point of view isn't shoved at the end of a 10 page thread? Why is Ners point of view so important that it requires its own thread.
If you don't want a huge deal made of the sexual assault article, maybe try NOT posting an opinion in a new thread that directly references the thread containing the sexual assault article.
This thread is pure ego. And it is lame.
Quote from: Ners on June 26, 2011, 01:48:31 PM
Did you not know that potential recruits and their parents are most concerned with the protocols for handling allegations of sexual assault between a private school and public law enforcement? That far trumps the ability of the basketball program being able to take 3 star talent and get it drafted in the NBA.
..."Thanks Buzz for taking the time to see our son play in some games, and camps. Thanks for the many mailings, calls and texts. Thanks for the on campus visit, meeting the team, and the for the great tour of the faclilities, dorms, and the area. Thanks for telling us about the traditions, the players in the NBA, and the programs history. All that is important....but to our family the big key is...
What is campus security's policy on reporting an assault to the local police?...Take your time here Buzz, because...your answer here is going to tilt our family's decision on where our son will play and go to school...Junior...listen up here....coach Williams is about to give us the most important answer ever, in the two years of your recruitment by MU...okay coach, go ahead....
Well, er...ummm...did I ever tell you the story of the bottle and it tipping over....lol
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 28, 2011, 10:15:29 AM
Fair enough.
I'm glad you quoted it, looks like the mods deleted my post...not sure why...but your quote allowed it to be captured.
Quote from: houwarrior on June 28, 2011, 03:56:04 PM
..."Thanks Buzz for taking the time to see our son play in some games, and camps. Thanks for the many mailings, calls and texts. Thanks for the on campus visit, meeting the team, and the for the great tour of the faclilities, dorms, and the area. Thanks for telling us about the traditions, the players in the NBA, and the programs history. All that is important....but to our family the big key is...
What is campus security's policy on reporting an assault to the local police?...Take your time here Buzz, because...your answer here is going to tilt our family's decision on where our son will play and go to school...Junior...listen up here....coach Williams is about to give us the most important answer ever, in the two years of your recruitment by MU...okay coach, go ahead....
Well, er...ummm...did I ever tell you the story of the bottle and it tipping over....lol
Well done HW...I got a good chuckle out of that.
As for Ners, seriously dude get a grip....the world will not end because 5 people on a message board criticized something MU did (or might have failed to do.....allegedly).
Quote from: LA on June 28, 2011, 09:16:16 PM
Well done HW...I got a good chuckle out of that.
As for Ners, seriously dude get a grip....the world will not end because 5 people on a message board criticized something MU did (or might have failed to do.....allegedly).
Perhaps you are in the camp that couldn't understand the sarcasm (without teal) and comedy in my original post? Houston Warrior got it right..it is pure comedy that some here made it seem like the world was going to end because of how MU handled that situation..as if it would negatively impact recruiting?? Seriously? To me, those would be the best targets for your "seriously dude get a grip" message!
Quote from: Ners on June 28, 2011, 10:30:56 PM
Perhaps you are in the camp that couldn't understand the sarcasm (without teal) and comedy in my original post? Houston Warrior got it right..it is pure comedy that some here made it seem like the world was going to end because of how MU handled that situation..as if it would negatively impact recruiting?? Seriously? To me, those would be the best targets for your "seriously dude get a grip" message!
I understand your attempt at sarcasm and humor (not very well pulled off but the attempt was understood). My point however as stated by others is that starting a new thread targeting the people that are "freaking out" about the incident probably won't accomplish your goal of them understanding how ridiculous they sound. I actually agree with what you are trying to say overall, but this thread and your reactions in it just put you in the same category but on the opposite side.
Quote from: LA on June 29, 2011, 01:21:08 AM
I understand your attempt at sarcasm and humor (not very well pulled off but the attempt was understood). My point however as stated by others is that starting a new thread targeting the people that are "freaking out" about the incident probably won't accomplish your goal of them understanding how ridiculous they sound. I actually agree with what you are trying to say overall, but this thread and your reactions in it just put you in the same category but on the opposite side.
Ners did not start this topic. His post was in response to a post in another thread. The Mods moved several "bickering" posts into one thread. Ners post just happenned to be the first.
In the original thread, it was well played, IMHO.
Quote from: LA on June 29, 2011, 01:21:08 AM
I understand your attempt at sarcasm and humor (not very well pulled off but the attempt was understood). My point however as stated by others is that starting a new thread targeting the people that are "freaking out" about the incident probably won't accomplish your goal of them understanding how ridiculous they sound. I actually agree with what you are trying to say overall, but this thread and your reactions in it just put you in the same category but on the opposite side.
See MUMac's explanation below - thanks Mac - and no worries LA...
Quote from: MUMac on June 29, 2011, 05:55:57 AM
Ners did not start this topic. His post was in response to a post in another thread. The Mods moved several "bickering" posts into one thread. Ners post just happenned to be the first.
In the original thread, it was well played, IMHO.
Quote from: Ners on June 28, 2011, 11:45:24 AM
Claims and allegations are not always facts. As mentioned, negative news sells - as we can see from the thread length between the Jimmy and Jerel story, versus the sex assault story. Reporters are hungry to scoop and get their name in the limelight...and are always after expose pieces.
Obviously none of us would like to have MU in the news for how it handled an ALLEGED sexual assault that began as consensual sex - but I don't think MU deserves all the bitch slapping its gotten here.
Anything for MU basketball, right? Top story in the largest paper in the Midwest and you dismiss it as reporters trying to dig something up. It made Marquette look bad. It was embarrassing. The actions do not shut down the school but they certainly left the university in a bad light here in Chicago for some alumni and propspective students. If you are a father and considering sending your daughter to Marquette does that article result in a bit more internal questioning? You do not live up here, some of us do. It stung.
One could argue that MU might be better off in all of this because of the changes made, but that article exposed MU's affairs in this area in a negative light. There will be lawsuits from this and financial settlements.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on June 29, 2011, 09:37:42 AM
Anything for MU basketball, right? Top story in the largest paper in the Midwest and you dismiss it as reporters trying to dig something up. It made Marquette look bad. It was embarrassing. The actions do not shut down the school but they certainly left the university in a bad light here in Chicago for some alumni and propspective students. If you are a father and considering sending your daughter to Marquette does that article result in a bit more internal questioning? You do not live up here, some of us do. It stung.
One could argue that MU might be better off in all of this because of the changes made, but that article exposed MU's affairs in this area in a negative light. There will be lawsuits from this and financial settlements.
When I become a father, I'll worry about my daughter going off to any college.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on June 29, 2011, 09:37:42 AM
Anything for MU basketball, right? Top story in the largest paper in the Midwest and you dismiss it as reporters trying to dig something up. It made Marquette look bad. It was embarrassing. The actions do not shut down the school but they certainly left the university in a bad light here in Chicago for some alumni and propspective students. If you are a father and considering sending your daughter to Marquette does that article result in a bit more internal questioning? You do not live up here, some of us do. It stung.
One could argue that MU might be better off in all of this because of the changes made, but that article exposed MU's affairs in this area in a negative light. There will be lawsuits from this and financial settlements.
What I am is a realist - there is never anything good that can come out of he said/she said. There are many journalists who are limelight seeking, and an expose piece of journalism is the fastest ticket to fame (and as you wrote was the top story in the Chicago Tribune - mission accomplished). DPS didn't see this case as a rape, the girl didn't go to police when she had every chance to do so, and eventually when the case got to MPD, there weren't any charges brought forth, and the whole incident involved 2 people who had a previous consensual sexual relationship, and the girl by her own admission began the evening in question consensually.
Sure, you'd rather not have MU in the headlines for its policy on how it handles such cases, but lets not over-react here. And if there are lawsuit, I hope to God MU defends itself, instead of just conceding to the student - MU has chosen to go the apologetic route in all of this, and that hasn't exactly boded well for public perception. It should come out swinging and defend itself - DPS involvement, offering MPD involvement to the girl (which she declined) By going apologetic, MU gives the impression it was guilty/negligent in all of this..which in my opinion is not the case.