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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: WarriorDoc on June 28, 2011, 12:02:51 AM
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Had a conversation with some old friends from high school, we talked about if we'd go to our respective schools over again or choose a different one. I think the numbers were 5 Loyola, 3 Marquette, 2 Boston College, 1 Notre Dame, 1 Xavier, and 1 UW. Almost everyone besides the Loyola guys said they'd do it over again (to my ND friend's disbelief and mockery, to which we mocked his Irish pretenses back). Which got me thinking...
Let's say you worked a little harder in high school and applied to Marquette, Notre Dame, Boston College, Xavier, Gonzaga, Providence--whatever Catholic schools you checked out, as well as some state schools like UW, UM, IU, etc. Got accepted to all of them. Let's leave Ivy league and etc out of it, stick to prestigious Catholic or flagship public U's.
Would you do Marquette all over again? Or if you had the chance (put yourself in your high school mind) would you choose a more (by USNews opinion) prestigious school like Notre Dame? Or would you choose a school academically on par with Marquette like Xavier or Gonzaga?
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Right now, I would say no only due to financial obligations. Ask me again in 30 years, and I may have a different opinion. Don't get me wrong, I loved my time at Marquette and had the best time of life there, but I probably would have had just as much fun and life experiences at UW. UW is also a hell of a school academic-wise. So in hindsight, I would probably choose UW. I'm struggling with the $800 a month I pay in student loans and being a recent Comm major, the job market isn't very favorable.
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If I could afford it.....absolutely.
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Actually, at the time I matriculated, I was really immature and had no real motive/direction in my life, and the mandatory military draft was a future reality for all 22 year olds. Had i to do it all over again, i would have enlisted in the military, matured somewhat (hopefully) qualified for the G.I. Bill, and gone to college farther away from home, ie, Villanova, Georgetown, etc.
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If I had it over, I would take the time to look at more schools. I looked at three, all in Wisconsin, and chose MU. However, I would have no qualms about going to MU because I had a wonderful experience, but one thing I would do differently is take a semester abroad.
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I would have reservations about attending school in an urban setting. Would probably look at a campus setting not in the inner city. Like a traditional state school with a sprawling campus.
Academics, no. MU was fine in academic standing.
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I wouldn't change a thing...
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I was accepted at Michigan, ND, DePauw, and some smaller state schools in Michigan. My folks said they wanted me to be a distance away from home that they could come visit me for a weekend but that I couldn't come home on a Tuesday night because I was unhappy. I was put off by the arrogance of the tour givers at the 3 listed above. I loved the urban setting. And at the 3 listed above, the town revolves around the school, rather than the school being part of the town. A huge, clear distinction to me at 17. Ironically, MU offered the least financial aid, but it was the one at which I felt instantly at home. Never a nanosecond of regret. So, yeah, if I could afford it, absolutely.
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I probably would, but would have majored in something useful.
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I loved my time at Marquette but there is still a small part of me that would have liked to attend a large school with a big-time football program. We always want what we can't have, right?
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If I could do it over again, I'd skip college altogether. I'd go into the military for 4 years (at age 18) and go right into the fire service at age 22. I'd be able to retire at 49 and have a second career if I wanted. Instead, I started my career at 34 and will be eligible for retirement later in life and with a smaller pension. My track would look much smoother if I could do it all over again...
...that said, I'm incredibly glad I did go to Marquette. Without those 4 years, I wouldn't have the same passion for both my alma mater and college basketball as a whole. I've always been somewhat an orphan when it comes to sports, never really supporting the teams I was "supposed" to, but Marquette is the one that makes sense. And while I still have a load of debt, my time at Marquette and the subsequent jobs that didn't end up working out have probably helped me more fully appreciate just how good I have it now. I absolutely love my job. I just had a week off and was looking forward to getting back to work. Would I have the same appreciation if I had taken the more linear path? Probably not. So while I wouldn't do it over again, I'm definitely glad that I did it.
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Leaving NorCal for the frozen upper midwest was an experience I loved. Sign me up again.
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first off, groove, Milwaukee is far from a dieing city.
Secondly, I'd probably try my hand at some school in California. Berkley and Stanford being the obvious choices.
Other than those two, I don't think I'd go anywhere else.
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No regrets at all. However, after living in North Carolina for 15 years and being away from Wisconsin winters there is no way I would go back up north. Oh yeah, and the women are more attractive down here. Also it is nice to be in a vibrant area instead of a dying city.
Agree on the winters....agree on the women...
But while Milwaukee isn't "booming," it certainly isn't dying. While the city might have its troubles like any other urban area, it is much more like Chicago or the Twin Cities than it is like Detroit or Akron.
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No regrets at all. However, after living in North Carolina for 15 years and being away from Wisconsin winters there is no way I would go back up north. Oh yeah, and the women are more attractive down here. Also it is nice to be in a vibrant area instead of a dying city.
Milwaukee is a vibrant city now, much moreso than it has been in the last 45 years. Groove, you should visit in the summer when you need a break from the southern heat.
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Only a year out, but I would pick MU in a heartbeat if I did it all over again.
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I'm one of the few that didn't go to Marquette. Instead I went to Miami University cause I needed a change from Wisconsin. I've played this what if game with my friends alot, especially as people transferred out, etc... 90% of me says I wouldn't change a thing cause my college experience was everything I hoped for and my memories of Oxford are beyond fond. However, after visiting CU part of me wonders if my 17 year old self would have opted for Boulder and part of me has always wanted to go to school in the South, so I might have looked at Georgia or maybe Ole Miss (cause frankly most of the schools in the SEC don't have great academics...) But then again, I don't think I was ready to move more than 5 hours from home at the time. Hindsight is 20-20.
But while Milwaukee isn't "booming," it certainly isn't dying. While the city might have its troubles like any other urban area, it is much more like Chicago or the Twin Cities than it is like Detroit or Akron.
With all due respect, I don't think Milwaukee has much in common with Chicago once you get past their locations, Midwestern sensibilities, and industrial history. Chicago is a giant metro area that is constantly evolving. Despite the bad rap its gotten, Milwaukee more accurately compares to Cleveland, though nicer. Both have done alot of nice things downtown and have some great revitalized areas, while others need alot of work.
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With all due respect, I don't think Milwaukee has much in common with Chicago once you get past their locations, Midwestern sensibilities, and industrial history. Chicago is a giant metro area that is constantly evolving. Despite the bad rap its gotten, Milwaukee more accurately compares to Cleveland, though nicer. Both have done alot of nice things downtown and have some great revitalized areas, while others need alot of work.
Not to be nitpicky, but I said it was more like Chicago than it is like Detroit.
And actually Cleveland is not a good example at all. Cleveland lost 17% of its population over the past decade, and the county lost 8%. The city of Cleveland is actually under 400,000 population right now. It is a dying city.
In comparison, the city of Milwaukee was basically level while Milwaukee County actually grew. This makes it very much like the Twin Cities, whose city and counties grew at similar rates. Not to mention the metropolitan areas of both grew nicely, but the Cities grew larger.
Here are some tables that show what I mean:
Minnesota: http://usademography.com/States/Tables/MNtable1.htm
Illinois: http://usademography.com/States/Tables/ILtable1.htm
Ohio: http://usademography.com/States/Tables/OHtable1.htm
Wisconsin: http://usademography.com/States/Tables/WItable1.htm
Michigan: http://usademography.com/States/Tables/MItable1.htm
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Had a scholie to Illinois but was put off by the size of the campus. Marquette was what i wanted sizewise and it was close to Chi. had a great time,lifelong buddies and dated some of the prettiest women at MU.
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Nope. As a kid, I took few risks. Two of my sisters went to MU .. and my best friend was going .. it was the safest choice. I'd go to a different school, different geography, different major.
I think about the advice I'd give my two sons .. I believe strongly in going away for college .. so Marquette is not an option for them. I'd steer them to a college that's in a great part of the country, a place/region they could see themselves living post-graduation. I'd steer them to a college that has a decent D1 sport / tradition, too. And hot chicks.
All the other stuff is just fluff.
Of course, MU (or similar) tuition when my sons go to school will be .. drum roll .. $81,000 per year.
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I think about the advice I'd give my two sons .. I believe strongly in going away for college .. so Marquette is not an option for them. I'd steer them to a college that's in a great part of the country, a place/region they could see themselves living post-graduation. I'd steer them to a college that has a decent D1 sport / tradition, too. And hot chicks.
I don't know how old your kids are, but I would tell my two now college aged kids the same thing when they were younger. We really pushed it and took campus visits to schools all over the place. The result? Both went to different schools within 50 miles from home.
Sometimes, no matter how much you impart your wisdom, they just aren't ready to think that much outside the box.
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And actually Cleveland is not a good example at all. Cleveland lost 17% of its population over the past decade, and the county lost 8%. The city of Cleveland is actually under 400,000 population right now. It is a dying city.
Those numbers are skewed because so much of Cleveland's population was made up of LeBron's HS buddies/business associates and they all took their talents to South Beach last summer.
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Those numbers are skewed because so much of Cleveland's population was made up of LeBron's HS buddies/business associates and they all took their talents to South Beach last summer.
BA-ZING!
And Sultan, my bad. I was talking more about feel than actual population statistics. Detroit's its own animal (a rabid one that should be put down) and Akron is much smaller. Visiting friends in Cleveland, downtown feels more like Milwaukee. Thats the point I was making.
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Yes! Loved my time at MU. Loved it being in an urban environment. MKE is a very underrated city - truly a great town/city. If the winters weren't so brutal, I'd gladly live in MKE - so long as I could import a girl from the South. I feel the 9's and 10's in MKE are about the 6's and 7's in Dallas.
MKE is a great place to raise a family, and I always hypothesize that the divorce rate must be lower in the north, than in the south - due to 6 months of the year up there you are shut in/families are in the home together, etc. Whereas here in Texas, you can be out and about 10 months of the year on patios for Happy Hour that feature beautiful women, scantily clad (in the summer months - March-October).
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I'd do it again at Marquette tomorrow. No regrets. The right choice.
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I'd do it again at Marquette tomorrow. No regrets. The right choice.
Me too.
Wish I had studied abroad, and more broads.
Millions of friends, tons of parties...
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Since Hegarty's is gone, I would really have to think twice.
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Milwaukee is a dying city .. simply getting worse by most measures. Failing education system, failing economy, failing infrastructure, failing government, rising poverty, increasing population segregation.
The public school system has been in crisis for 10+ years, and shows no sign of pulling out of its dive.
Milwaukee has the *4th* worst poverty rate in the USA. It was 11th in 2008, so that's a catastrophic trend.
Can you skip all the increasing blight and focus on the summer festivals and the beautiful lakefront? Then Milwaukee is awesome!
There may be other cities in the US that are dying faster or slower than Milwaukee. About the best thing Milwaukee has going for it is there are 3 other cities with worse poverty.
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Milwaukee is a dying city .. simply getting worse by most measures. Failing education system, failing economy, failing infrastructure, failing government, rising poverty, increasing population segregation.
The public school system has been in crisis for 10+ years, and shows no sign of pulling out of its dive.
Milwaukee has the *4th* worst poverty rate in the USA. It was 11th in 2008, so that's a catastrophic trend.
Can you skip all the increasing blight and focus on the summer festivals and the beautiful lakefront? Then Milwaukee is awesome!
There may be other cities in the US that are dying faster or slower than Milwaukee. About the best thing Milwaukee has going for it is there are 3 other cities with worse poverty.
I really think that Milwaukee is hurt badly by the segregation. Granted, there's no enforced segregation, but I can't think of a city that has such stark geographic lines between the rich and poor, and of course the racial divide nearly mirrors this. How many neighborhoods in Milwaukee feature more than one race living there. Riverwest? Is that it? The fringes are nice, the East Side down by the lake, Bayview, pretty much anywhere along College Ave, and the far northwest side, but just about everything else is inner city. Even the edges of Wauwatosa are in swift decline.
I don't have any good answers. The solution of renovating welfare so it was harder to get clearly hasn't worked, but when welfare was so easy to get here that people were moving up from Chicago for it clearly wasn't helping. They have tried putting up low income housing in somewhat affluent areas, but all that's accomplished is providing more areas where drugs are far too prevalent and property values dip as sirens, both police and emergency, become more common. Of course, that pushes the original residents to move further to the fringes. How long will it be before Walker's Point, Bayview, and the far northwest become just as bad, or at least close to it, as the inner city?
And if residency passes and city employees are allowed to move out, you'll see property values sink as there is a mass exodus of police, fire, public works, and education employees to Racine, Waukesha, and Ozaukee.
I love this city, I really do. I've been in the Milwaukee area since I was born, I grew up here, went to college here, and work here. And while reaching Detroit status is still probably decades away, I'd hate to take my retirement and feel that I don't want my kids following in my footsteps because of the decline of the city. Milwaukee needs new leadership that will help salvage the city. It's not completely dying, but for those that spend more time here than simply attending Marquette games, Brewer games, and the Summer festivals, it's certainly not the vibrant, promising city it may look like from the outside.
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Wisconsin would be well-served to revise its Business Tax Law, and even state Income tax law. There are virtually no reasons to start a company in Wisconsin - high tax rates all around. Scott Walker has it right - if Wisconsin/MKE really want to turn it around - it will take a radical approach. Doing what's always been done in WI is what has gotten it to this point.
1/3 of all new jobs that were created in the US in the last 3 years were in Texas. I wonder why? No state income tax (companies can pay employees less, and the employee still gets a good quality of life..and company can actually be profitable), low Corporate Business Taxes - which relocates companies to Texas..and thus jobs.
As a small business owner, I can share first hand just how difficult it is to turn a profit after all the bureaucratic requirements on a business are met: OSHA, ADA compliance, Workmen's Comp Insurance, General Liability Insurance, Payroll Taxes (SS Matching), etc.
Hate to inject politics into this, but Texas has been under conservative/Republican leadership for virtually its entire history - California for the most part entirely Liberal: Which state is thriving and which state is bleeding jobs and racking up HUGE deficits?
While socially liberal policy and politics are with best of intention, generally they don't work, and are counter-productive to building a healthy economy.
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Me too.
Wish I had studied abroad, and more broads.
Millions of friends, tons of parties...
Yeah, bet you miss all those parties you attended in Juneau Park.
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Milwaukee is a dying city .. simply getting worse by most measures. Failing education system, failing economy, failing infrastructure, failing government, rising poverty, increasing population segregation.
The public school system has been in crisis for 10+ years, and shows no sign of pulling out of its dive.
Milwaukee has the *4th* worst poverty rate in the USA. It was 11th in 2008, so that's a catastrophic trend.
Can you skip all the increasing blight and focus on the summer festivals and the beautiful lakefront? Then Milwaukee is awesome!
There may be other cities in the US that are dying faster or slower than Milwaukee. About the best thing Milwaukee has going for it is there are 3 other cities with worse poverty.
If this is how you define dying city, then pretty much every city of significant size is dying. Is New York City dying? It's schools are terrible too. Chicago's government is substantially worse. Is it dying? Miami's poverty rate is about that of Milwaukee's. Is it dying?
No, Milwaukee has problems that need help. As has every city since cities have existed.
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If this is how you define dying city, then pretty much every city of significant size is dying. Is New York City dying? It's schools are terrible too. Chicago's government is substantially worse. Is it dying? Miami's poverty rate is about that of Milwaukee's. Is it dying?
No, Milwaukee has problems that need help. As has every city since cities have existed.
As you pointed out, those cities have big problems. They also have big assets and a very very long way to fall to reach bottom. They may or may not have the same confluence of problems Milwaukee has, as well. Not sure any of that matters.
Milwaukee does not have that large a margin for error. Its problems are bigger than its assets and the negative trend is steep.
That all being said, I really can't talk of Chicago, Miami, or NYC. All I know is what I see, as I live (next to) Milwaukee.
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Every city dies... not every city truly lives.
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I probably would, but would have majored in something useful.
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Everything about attending a then mid-30's in tuition, R&B school would have made more sense if I had majored in something other than liberal arts.
I can't even imagine what the liberal arts students are thinking today with tuition etc. in the low 40's, especially in this job market where marketable skills are almost everything.
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I loved my time at MU and would definitely do it again.
Growing up in Albuquerque a good number of my HS friends went to catholic schools in CA like Loyola Marymount, USD, and Santa Clara (two of which I applied to and didn't get in…I was trying to follow a girl). Looking back now though, Cali would have been a terrible choice for me and MU turned out to be an excellent fit.
If I had a do-over I would have definitely applied to MU, but would have pointed my other applications Eastward which I discovered suites me way better than the west coast. That list would be Boston College, Georgetown…I have a graduate degree from JHU so I definitely would have wanted to give undergrad a try there as well. Maybe William & Mary…my public option would have been UVA.
Still, no regrets though, my Marquette experience paid me back professionally and personally… and where I happened to find the right girl. ;)
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If I were to do it over, I would come to MU for a year, then transfer to Miami-Dade for year, then transfer to the University of Minnesota.
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I'm one of the few that didn't go to Marquette. Instead I went to Miami University cause I needed a change from Wisconsin. I've played this what if game with my friends alot, especially as people transferred out, etc... 90% of me says I wouldn't change a thing cause my college experience was everything I hoped for and my memories of Oxford are beyond fond.
Interesting. In olden times, the Natl Merit Scholly kids were heavily recruited, and I had a full ride offer from U of Miami...but they offered it on the odd condition I accept and admit w/them after my junior year in HS (to get the jump on other schools,..I guess), and that I'd have to maintain a 3.5 GPA all 4 years,whereupon, I'd get both a BA and a HS qualifying GED. It was too weird to me, as I still looked forward to my last year of HS, and I wasn't sure I'd be able to meet the GPA minimum to keep up the scholly (my parents were like Cyril's in Breaking Away, more ready to console a failure, than to bolster confidence/success-lol).
So I went safe, went to MU and to Univ of Madrid, for my junior year---in Spain, I roomed with a Univ of Miami cuban guy...and I've always wondered if I wouldve enjoyed the Univ of Miami deal--the sun and girls he described wouldve been a plus. Maybe I could've been recruited there by the CIA (JFK movie reference-lol).
Even though , I'd be happy to repeat my MU/U. of Madrid experience over many times.
EDIT--oops I reread your post ...it referred to to Miami University...in Ohio...not the U..in Miami...sooo. as Emily Latella woud say..never mind.
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If I were to do it over, I would come to MU for a year, then transfer to Miami-Dade for year, then transfer to the University of Minnesota.
Personally, after a year at Miami-Dade I would take my Mormon Mission.
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So I went safe, went to MU and to Univ of Madrid, for my junior year---in Spain, ...
I do have one huge regret from my MU days...and that was not spending a year in Madrid.
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Wisconsin would be well-served to revise its Business Tax Law, and even state Income tax law. There are virtually no reasons to start a company in Wisconsin - high tax rates all around. Scott Walker has it right - if Wisconsin/MKE really want to turn it around - it will take a radical approach. Doing what's always been done in WI is what has gotten it to this point.
1/3 of all new jobs that were created in the US in the last 3 years were in Texas. I wonder why? No state income tax (companies can pay employees less, and the employee still gets a good quality of life..and company can actually be profitable), low Corporate Business Taxes - which relocates companies to Texas..and thus jobs.
As a small business owner, I can share first hand just how difficult it is to turn a profit after all the bureaucratic requirements on a business are met: OSHA, ADA compliance, Workmen's Comp Insurance, General Liability Insurance, Payroll Taxes (SS Matching), etc.
Hate to inject politics into this, but Texas has been under conservative/Republican leadership for virtually its entire history - California for the most part entirely Liberal: Which state is thriving and which state is bleeding jobs and racking up HUGE deficits?
While socially liberal policy and politics are with best of intention, generally they don't work, and are counter-productive to building a healthy economy.
The general point is well taken. Clarification could be that Texas was very Democrat through the 70s. Whether Democrat or Republican, though, the continuing bi-partisan (nonpolitical)view of Texans is that our part time, once every two year legislature and weak powered governor (yes Perry and Geo Bush actually had very little power), meets the consensus of Texans views...that government should be involved in as little as possible.
By example, Houston's growth is tied to an anomoly--we do not have any zoning laws...only deed restrictions registered by prior owners...Property values are measured mostly by quality/location, not by artificial values up or down, based on govt zoning/use of the property.
Before this becomes in anyway deemed political, and mods worthy, the note here is not to politics...its that anti government and businees friendly has served us well--- we are NOT any better than any place else, however (plenty of issues, here, too), we are just different...its not political(please note-mods)..its in the outlook/consensus.
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The general point is well taken. Clarification could be that Texas was very Democrat through the 70s. Whether Democrat or Republican, though, the continuing bi-partisan (nonpolitical)view of Texans is that our part time, once every two year legislature and weak powered governor (yes Perry and Geo Bush actually had very little power), meets the consensus of Texans views...that government should be involved in as little as possible.
By example, Houston's growth is tied to an anomoly--we do not have any zoning laws...only deed restrictions registered by prior owners...Property values are measured mostly by quality/location, not by artificial values up or down, based on govt zoning/use of the property.
Before this becomes in anyway deemed political, and mods worthy, the note here is not to politics...its that anti government and businees friendly has served us well--- we are NOT any better than any place else, however (plenty of issues, here, too), we are just different...its not political(please note-mods)..its in the outlook/consensus.
Yup, and that's part of what makes Texas so great. 45% of the net American jobs created in the last 24 months are in Texas per the Wall Street Journal earlier this month. That's crazy. Texas has it's own set of issues, every state does, but seeing how poorly other states have done with high taxation, heavy gov't intrusion, etc....no wonder corporations are steaming full ahead to Texas. Can't blame them one bit. Amazon has a huge opportunity in front of them right now, just the latest.
I loved my time in Wisconsin, can't say I would do it again or not because I think it's impossible to answer in many ways. I did not meet my wife at MU, but her mom was from Antigo and her dad a Marquette Med school graduate...would we have clicked early on without that commonality? Would my sister have married my roommate at MU (they are still married 20 years later with 3 kids, one about to go to college)...probably not. Flip side is, what could have happened if I went elsewhere? Impossible to know. MU was the 3rd "best" school if you use ratings that I was accepted to, but I went there because it was out of state, Catholic, and I couldn't wait to get out of California for awhile. The other two schools are both top 50 rated to this day...lower level sports but better looking women...what are the outcomes? No one knows.
No regrets, but impossible to say if one decision in life is better than another since the outcomes of the foregone decision are not known.
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Since I'm not allowed to refer to him by name or the post will be deleted, divorce rate in Wisconsin is 3.0 per 1000 and in Texas slightly higher at 3.3. Maine, colder than Wisconsin, is at 4.3 while South Carolina a small 2.6. In general, however, a number of "colder" states seem to have lower divorce rates than the warmer states.
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Since I'm not allowed to refer to him by name or the post will be deleted, divorce rate in Wisconsin is 3.0 per 1000 and in Texas slightly higher at 3.3. Maine, colder than Wisconsin, is at 4.3 while South Carolina a small 2.6. In general, however, a number of "colder" states seem to have lower divorce rates than the warmer states.
Apparently, the need to spoon with the wife during the cold months quotient is not a predictor of divorce rates, after all. lol
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Gonna have to say 'no' on this. Since my two brothers went to Carnegie Mellon and Tufts, I feel like the family idiot. Aside from being great academic schools, their network of friends from wealthy families have helped them repeatedly get their feet in doors that they otherwise probably could not on their own. If I could do it all over again, I would go to a top private university in the northeast (and yes, when I visited them, I realized that even nerds know how to throw a good party). Plus, they both had no problem getting into top grad schools. I am currently fluffing up my resume with work experience just so I can give myself a shot...and hopefully get some referral help from one of my smarter brothers. ?-(
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Apparently, the need to spoon with the wife during the cold months quotient is not a predictor of divorce rates, after all. lol
LOL - As I thought about it, perhaps being shut in with your spouse, is reason enough to want to get a divorce!
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I did not attend Marquette, but having lived in Milw for almost 20 years I would like to reply.
I would have been thrilled to go to Marquette, but we couldnt have possibly afforded the tuition.
A couple of the negative Milwaukee posts have irritated me. Milwaukee may not be NYC, LA, or the city by the Bay. To that I say thank God----and I recognize the city for being a place with great people, strong neighboorhoods, and a resilience for morphing into a solid city.
I have watched Milw adjust and develop for over 50 years, and it has developed into a good place------from a sleepy hamlet back in 50s to a city with a nice progressive area downtown and a popular east side. The city has developed the lakefront area nicely-----I live in South Florida and there is nothing here like the wide open downtown access to the lakefront.
I have been to a ton of other major urban areas in this country----I am not ashamed of Milw one bit. Yes this city has a lot of problems----NYC, Chicago, Philadelphia, ect. dont have big issues----please spare me.
Marquette is, and always will be, a terrific university. Milwaukee, while not mecca, is a solid city----I am proud to say I spent many years there.
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I did not attend MU for undergrad; I earned my Master's at MU. Needless to say, I didn't get the full "experience" as a grad student, but I got enough of a taste to know that I'd certainly consider doing it over if I could. For my undergrad, I went to a tiny, liberal arts college, the only one to which I applied. Initially, the decision to go there was because of family issues; after my sophomore year, I was going to transfer, but I was enticed to stay with a full ride.
If I had my do-over, I would start out with MU at #1 on my list, but I'd cast a much wider net.... maybe I'd apply to at least two schools this time around :D. Honestly, I don't know that I'd end up at MU, but I'd give it at least a 50% chance. What I do know for certain is that I wouldn't do the liberal arts thing again --- that was a colossal mistake --- and I wouldn't go to a "dash" school.
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A couple of the negative Milwaukee posts have irritated me. Milwaukee may not be NYC, LA, or the city by the Bay.
I have been to a ton of other major urban areas in this country----I am not ashamed of Milw one bit. Yes this city has a lot of problems----NYC, Chicago, Philadelphia, ect. dont have big issues----please spare me.
I didn't, nor has anyone, suggested NYC, Chicago, and Miami (Philadelphia wasn't in the list) "dont have big issues". They do. But their population is between 3x and 16x larger than Milwaukee's, and they have significantly large chunks of their city that keep them going in the right direction.
Additionally .. one can cite examples of where Milwaukee is "great" or at least "nice" and few would disagree. You cite a "progressive" (???) downtown and popular East side. I can accept those being solid areas, yet there's a tremendous decay in a plurality, if not majority, of the remainder of the city that contains the cancer of poverty --and only 3 other cities are worse.
That Milwaukee has gems left is, of course, wonderful.
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I did not attend Marquette, but having lived in Milw for almost 20 years I would like to reply.
I would have been thrilled to go to Marquette, but we couldnt have possibly afforded the tuition.
I think you would be surprised at how many kids attend MU that could not afford it. Finance packages are generous and there are number of ways to make a go of it. Not easy, but certainly possible.
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I think you would be surprised at how many kids attend MU that could not afford it. Finance packages are generous and there are number of ways to make a go of it. Not easy, but certainly possible.
That doesn't make it a good idea. The financial aid department is very good at making it look like Marquette is just as affordable as any other university when in many cases that's simply not true. Financially, I shouldn't have gone to Marquette, especially considering I was planning to go into media, a field where I was never going to make a ton of money. MATC gives a much more hands-on approach and from what I've seen actually prepares prospective graduates better than MUTV ever could. I've heard the same for fields like nursing and laboratory work.
Were I going pre-law or into some other more lucrative profession, MU would be a great choice, but a crappy job market had me constrained to financial hell for quite a few years after my graduation with crushing payback costs that were well out-of-line with the paychecks I was receiving. I'd be hesitant to recommend Marquette to just anyone. If you can't afford it and know it, and your field isn't one that will make it relatively easy to offset the student loan bills in the future, it can be a downright bad choice.
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Thinking about again, if I were to do it over, I would attend Hawaii Pacific University, then after a year transfer to North Idaho College for a year, then transfer to the University of Idaho for a year, then transfer to Matanuska-Susitna College in Alaska for another year, then finally transfer back to the University of Idaho and graduate.
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Thinking about again, if I were to do it over, I would attend Hawaii Pacific University, then after a year transfer to North Idaho College for a year, then transfer to the University of Idaho for a year, then transfer to Matanuska-Susitna College in Alaska for another year, then finally transfer back to the University of Idaho and graduate.
That would totally qualify you to be a weather guy on TV. But I'd guess you'd quit that after a few months.
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Additionally .. one can cite examples of where Milwaukee is "great" or at least "nice" and few would disagree. You cite a "progressive" (???) downtown and popular East side. I can accept those being solid areas, yet there's a tremendous decay in a plurality, if not majority, of the remainder of the city that contains the cancer of poverty --and only 3 other cities are worse.
I am not disagreeing with you that Milwaukee doesn't have problems. The near northwest side is a wasteland no doubt.
However, I think the city is much nicer than when I went to school at MU in the 80s. I think the area around campus is nicer. I think some neighborhoods like Bayview and Washington Heights have improved significantly. And some like around Jackson Park and UWM have always been solid.
Milwaukee lost almost 15% of its population between 1970 and 1990. It has basically stabilized since then, which is unlike the trends that other similar midwestern cities have seen. I know someone who runs a fairly sizab le business in Milwaukee who can't get enough skilled labor to work in his factory. (Unskilled labor is another story.) That is why I think the biggest issue that Milwaukee faces is an education and training one, and not a jobs one.
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That doesn't make it a good idea. The financial aid department is very good at making it look like Marquette is just as affordable as any other university when in many cases that's simply not true. Financially, I shouldn't have gone to Marquette, especially considering I was planning to go into media, a field where I was never going to make a ton of money. MATC gives a much more hands-on approach and from what I've seen actually prepares prospective graduates better than MUTV ever could. I've heard the same for fields like nursing and laboratory work.
Were I going pre-law or into some other more lucrative profession, MU would be a great choice, but a crappy job market had me constrained to financial hell for quite a few years after my graduation with crushing payback costs that were well out-of-line with the paychecks I was receiving. I'd be hesitant to recommend Marquette to just anyone. If you can't afford it and know it, and your field isn't one that will make it relatively easy to offset the student loan bills in the future, it can be a downright bad choice.
I think a lot of people need to know how to work the system a bit better. With all of the scholarships and grants that I qualified for after 4 years of school, I only owed about $17,000. Which is amazing. If you want to work to get and keep the scholarships, they are absolutely worth it.
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I had a great time at Marquette, but if I had to do it over again I'd pick some place else.
Looking back I know I had fun, but I don't think I was mature enough at 18 years old to be serious about academics. I was a C+ student at MU, but when I went for my MBA I needed to take a prerequisite that I didn't need to graduate at MU - I also decided to retake 2 classes over at the same time. At 24 years old I was an A- student, some of it could have been the school - I can honestly say this public university was easier then MU.
After starting my work career I've come to realize that if you don't plan on working in the same general locale as you went to school, it's better to go to one of the academic NAME schools (California, MIT, ND, Stanford, Duke, etc.), after that a northeastern school with STRONG alumni ties (Dartmouth, Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Brown, Cornell, Columbia, etc.), and if all else fails a state school where you can get excellent grades so you can get your post-graduate degree from one of the above mentioned schools.
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However, I think the city is much nicer than when I went to school at MU in the 80s. I think the area around campus is nicer. I think some neighborhoods like Bayview and Washington Heights have improved significantly. And some like around Jackson Park and UWM have always been solid.
Agreed, that the area around campus is nicer. I'm certain you could find other areas that are nicer since the 80s .. heck, the 3rd Ward was mostly empty buildings 20 years ago, now there's dozens of condos.
By the same token, the devastated central city has grown its borders, too. Blocks and blocks that used to be OK to live in have been overtaken by poverty, and that cancer is growing unabated.
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Having been born and raised in MKE, my perception of it has changed over time. Yes, it's a great, affordable place to raise a family. But, so are so many other places. The weather sucks ass here most of the year and my perception is that this area doesn't have a true identity. It's not a manufacturing city, or high tech, or a financial center. No wonder many of our friend's kids bolt the area after college. But, it is home and that counts for somethin'.
As for MU, I hold to it being a middle of the road institution academically. Nothin' wrong with that. But, don't confuse it with any of US News' top 50.
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Yes, do it again
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I think a lot of people need to know how to work the system a bit better. With all of the scholarships and grants that I qualified for after 4 years of school, I only owed about $17,000. Which is amazing. If you want to work to get and keep the scholarships, they are absolutely worth it.
+1. Back in the 90's, if you would have compared the "out-of-pocket" costs (net of schollies, grants, etc.) of attending MU vs. UW for the average Wisconsin resident whose parents couldn't afford to send him/her to college, MU would have still been more expensive, but the contrast over four years would probably be surprising to most people... something in the thousands of dollars, not tens of thousands.
Getting "needs-based" dollars from the school, state, feds, etc. to make up 40-60% of the difference wasn't difficult at all; throw some "merit-based" dollars on top of that, and you might have whittled the difference away to virtually nothing. Yes, there literally is millions of dollars out there in aid (a certain MU alum comes to mind)... you won't qualify for all of it, but cost typically isn't the obstacle to education for the majority of people who claim it is.
Of course, that was a different era, and I have no idea what tuition runs these days.
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Agreed, that the area around campus is nicer. I'm certain you could find other areas that are nicer since the 80s .. heck, the 3rd Ward was mostly empty buildings 20 years ago, now there's dozens of condos.
By the same token, the devastated central city has grown its borders, too. Blocks and blocks that used to be OK to live in have been overtaken by poverty, and that cancer is growing unabated.
You could say this about a lot of cities. Eventually there will be a push back into the higher poverty areas as welll as empty areas. Milwaukee is focused on developing the areas of the city that will produce the most tax and economic revenue. Property taxes in the 3rd ward are obviously higher than they are in the central city (plus the population is more likely to pay the taxes) so Milwaukee is doing the right thing, financially.
As for what 4ever said, a ton of my friends and former schoolmates from out of town have stayed in Milwaukee ever since they have graduated and they love it.
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Of course, that was a different era, and I have no idea what tuition runs these days.
Me neither, but I know someone who is going to Santa Clara at ~$52k a year! :o
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Thinking about again, if I were to do it over, I would attend Hawaii Pacific University, then after a year transfer to North Idaho College for a year, then transfer to the University of Idaho for a year, then transfer to Matanuska-Susitna College in Alaska for another year, then finally transfer back to the University of Idaho and graduate.
I just spent last week in Moscow, ID. First time ever there, enough for me ... I assume that some athlete did that but I don't recall.
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Of course, that was a different era, and I have no idea what tuition runs these days.
For 2011-12...
Tuition: $31,400
Room & Board: $10,370
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For 2011-12...
Tuition: $31,400
Room & Board: $10,370
Room & Board fees at colleges are getting ridiculous. For 10K, you can rent a studio in decent neighborhoods....in Chicago. You'd have no problem in Milw. and could prob even get a nice 1 bedroom for that.
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Room & Board fees at colleges are getting ridiculous. For 10K, you can rent a studio in decent neighborhoods....in Chicago. You'd have no problem in Milw. and could prob even get a nice 1 bedroom for that.
No doubt. I had a decently sized studio on 15th and Wells that cost me $450/month from 2005-07, and even after food and alcohol I probably came in under $8k per year.
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I bet that Holloway guy in Milw could set kids up with some REALLY cheap places. I dont know his story, but when a gov't official in Milw gets mentioned in Chicago news it CANT be a good thing.
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That doesn't make it a good idea. The financial aid department is very good at making it look like Marquette is just as affordable as any other university when in many cases that's simply not true. Financially, I shouldn't have gone to Marquette, especially considering I was planning to go into media, a field where I was never going to make a ton of money. MATC gives a much more hands-on approach and from what I've seen actually prepares prospective graduates better than MUTV ever could. I've heard the same for fields like nursing and laboratory work.
Were I going pre-law or into some other more lucrative profession, MU would be a great choice, but a crappy job market had me constrained to financial hell for quite a few years after my graduation with crushing payback costs that were well out-of-line with the paychecks I was receiving. I'd be hesitant to recommend Marquette to just anyone. If you can't afford it and know it, and your field isn't one that will make it relatively easy to offset the student loan bills in the future, it can be a downright bad choice.
Yup, I do not disagree with you on that front and have stated as such here on several occasions. Why someone would go to Harvard to get their teaching degree is beyond me. Why someone would go to MU for that is beyond me...go to UW-M and get the same thing. I'd argue the same thing for nursing, etc. I know that will irk some folks, but I'd have trouble telling my kids to saddle themselves with huge debts at a private school if they know for sure their career path is going to be in something that will not have the payback that makes sense. If they are ok with that, if they want to load up on the debt because they want that degree from that institution, then by all means have at it. They should, however, be well aware of the decision and the long term financial considerations that go into it.
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I just spent last week in Moscow, ID. First time ever there, enough for me ... I assume that some athlete did that but I don't recall.
It's the path a certain female politician took....of course most of that was due to her financial situation at the time. Other politicians have gone to Harvard, Yale, etc and turned (turning) out to be incompetent. Then there have been folks like Harry Truman who did not attend college at all. The piece of parchment on the wall doesn't indicate how smart someone is, their drive to succeed, or their leadership abilities but there are elitists in the world (i see it in business, gov't, etc) that turn their nose up if you don't have the right school name on that parchment.
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Yup, I do not disagree with you on that front and have stated as such here on several occasions. Why someone would go to Harvard to get their teaching degree is beyond me. Why someone would go to MU for that is beyond me...go to UW-M and get the same thing. I'd argue the same thing for nursing, etc. I know that will irk some folks, but I'd have trouble telling my kids to saddle themselves with huge debts at a private school if they know for sure their career path is going to be in something that will not have the payback that makes sense. If they are ok with that, if they want to load up on the debt because they want that degree from that institution, then by all means have at it. They should, however, be well aware of the decision and the long term financial considerations that go into it.
I guess you aren't familiar with hou much nurses get paid these days.
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Would I attend again?
Yes, I wouldn't change anything except maybe I would've taken a closer look at Cornell. Semi-recruited there but turned it off early. Navy paid for school and I owed 4 years, then I was going to do something else. 28 years later, still at it ...
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I was at MU from 1966-70. The campus was in a sorry state - dilappidated buildings with broken windows cluttered the landscape. The winters lasted from late October to mid April. I was broke or almost broke pretty much all the time. Yet I can't even entertain the idea of going back and changing my choice. The friends I made and the experiences we shared are far too valuable to me to nullify them for a road not taken.
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I was at MU from 1966-70 99-2003. The campus was in a sorry state - dilappidated buildings with broken windows cluttered the landscape, evolving state, but still fairly average. The winters lasted from late October to mid April. I was broke or almost broke pretty much all the time. Yet I can't even entertain the idea of going back and changing my choice. The friends I made and the experiences we shared are far too valuable to me to nullify them for a road not taken.
For Reinko
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Room & Board fees at colleges are getting ridiculous. For 10K, you can rent a studio in decent neighborhoods....in Chicago. You'd have no problem in Milw. and could prob even get a nice 1 bedroom for that.
And that's for EIGHT months out of the year (3 months of summer off and 1 month of winter off). Add in another 50% to get to 12 months and you're looking at the true cost... about 15k on an annualized basis, to live in a dorm room the size of a closet and eat Sodexo's food.
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I guess you aren't familiar with hou much nurses get paid these days.
About $65K I think, depends of course on the state, zip, etc. My point was whether it's worth spending $42K per year (costs per MU) X 4 years = $168K..probably more like $175K with annual price increases vs going to another school that you can also earn that nursing degree and be all in with college costs around $45K total for 4 years.
As I stated earlier, it's up to the individual, but questions I would: does the MU nurse graduate make more, have a higher job placement, etc than someone at a state school with a nursing program? If they are, then that should be factored into the equation. If they are not, then the other intangibles that MU offers would have to be very important to me to justify the expense.
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For 2011-12...
Tuition: $31,400
Room & Board: $10,370
Holy WTF, Batman! No wonder these kids aren't attending basketball games.
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Thinking about again, if I were to do it over, I would attend Hawaii Pacific University, then after a year transfer to North Idaho College for a year, then transfer to the University of Idaho for a year, then transfer to Matanuska-Susitna College in Alaska for another year, then finally transfer back to the University of Idaho and graduate.
That was great. lol lol.
Only 2 caught on to this one though.
Hint: At these schools, even on the six year plan, one learns a rather odd rendition of the legend of Paul Revere's ride
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No question on my mind I would have gone to Marquette again. I would have done a few things differently though.
-I debate whether I would go for a different major, because my soph roommate and I had the same major and we bonded, except I use virtually nothing from said major. Maybe a few different classes my freshman year or just taken different classes at different times would have been a better use of my time.
- I would have studied at the LAC at some point.
- I probably would have interned in my field year or two earlier. Might have put me a rung up from where I am now
- I would have roomed with Marquette09, perhaps Warrior07 at some point.
-I would have sent my housing application in a week earlier or a week later, that way I might not have been stuck with my freshman year roommate.
-maybe been more active in a few other clubs, while not joining clubs I wasn't a part of by my soph year.
All things considered those are really minor changes in hindsight. I really liked MU
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About $65K I think, depends of course on the state, zip, etc. My point was whether it's worth spending $42K per year (costs per MU) X 4 years = $168K..probably more like $175K with annual price increases vs going to another school that you can also earn that nursing degree and be all in with college costs around $45K total for 4 years.
As I stated earlier, it's up to the individual, but questions I would: does the MU nurse graduate make more, have a higher job placement, etc than someone at a state school with a nursing program? If they are, then that should be factored into the equation. If they are not, then the other intangibles that MU offers would have to be very important to me to justify the expense.
Under this theory then, nobody should really attend MU since you can get a comparable education in nearly every major for less cost somewhere else.
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That was great. lol lol.
Only 2 caught on to this one though.
Hint: At these schools, even on the six year plan, one learns a rather odd rendition of the legend of Paul Revere's ride
A rendition backed by a number of historians and not backed by others. Sort of like the discussion we had a few weeks back about history...it's not concrete and people have all kinds of interpretations. It was fun reading a MIT, Harvard and BU professor back her interpretation (all of them right there in Boston) while other historians from equally prestigious institutions not back it...who's right? Neither in my opinion because history can be made into what people want to make it into..."facts" with all kinds of grey edges to them.
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Under this theory then, nobody should really attend MU since you can get a comparable education in nearly every major for less cost somewhere else.
Actually my "theory" stated one should evaluate the debt that you will be left with (i.e. Brewcity) and make a decision as an individual if it's right for you. My "theory" also stated that if the intangibles, which have a value, make it worth that tradeoff then go for it. I was there at MU for five years with multiple majors and minors (in fact one of my minors required more credits than either one of my majors...so it was like triple majoring). None of my majors were a ticket to a good salary necessarily but I chose to go to MU over two more highly regarded schools here in California because of the intangibles. I do, however, think my "theory" makes good financial sense in the balance of things. If the intangibles don't make enough of a difference I would think a lower cost alternative (assumption is the schools are equal) makes more sense for a career type major (nursing, education, dental hygiene) than a private school. For non-career type majors, I'd approach it a bit differently.
To each his own, but I want my kids to understand the decisions they make have financial consequences after they graduate and should be factored into any decision.
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I am struck by the number gauging college choice and benefits of a university education by costs, and/or job placement and earnings. Except for those attending the ITT Technical Institute, such, to me, is far peripheral to reasons/benefits of a university degree....college gave me the tools and basis for a rich, inquiring, and interested life, and the foundation for a lifetime of learning.
I'll concede a college choice may relavent to your first job placement, but thereafter, its relavance drops dramatically. The initial education tools you bring to work, are thereafter, measured by your skills and dedication to a talented application of them.
I realize this stirs the pot here...but is your thought of going to MU based on costs/jobs, or other, broader factors? I am respectful of both groups...but my view, personally, has little to do with the former.
Your thoughts(without killing the messeger-lol) ?
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For Reinko
Glad that a similar MU experience was still available a generation later.
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I realize this stirs the pot here...but is your thought of going to MU based on costs/jobs, or other, broader factors? I am respectful of both groups...but my view, personally, has little to do with the former.
If the only reason you choose to go to one school over another is because of economic advantages, I have a hard time believing that MU gives you any benefit over a decent state university. In Wisconsin, there are all sorts of programs at UW schools that would give you the same quality of education in a specific topic. However I think a college education means more than that.
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I am struck by the number gauging college choice and benefits of a university education by costs, and/or job placement and earnings. Except for those attending the ITT Technical Institute, such, to me, is far peripheral to reasons/benefits of a university degree....college gave me the tools and basis for a rich, inquiring, and interested life, and the foundation for a lifetime of learning.
I'll concede a college choice may relavent to your first job placement, but thereafter, its relavance drops dramatically. The initial education tools you bring to work, are thereafter, measured by your skills and dedication to a talented application of them.
This maybe true for a slim minority of people who are either a) damn lucky or b) extraordinary performers... but generally speaking, college choice is relevant until you have a proven track record. This could take 10-15 years - or longer - depending on your field of work.
There are certain professions where a poor college choice could haunt you forever. For example -- how many Tier-4 graduates would want to work for Fulbright & Jaworski and how many actually do?
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- I would have roomed with Marquette09, perhaps Warrior07 at some point.
That's cute
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That's cute
And a little stalkerish
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I am struck by the number gauging college choice and benefits of a university education by costs, and/or job placement and earnings. Except for those attending the ITT Technical Institute, such, to me, is far peripheral to reasons/benefits of a university degree....college gave me the tools and basis for a rich, inquiring, and interested life, and the foundation for a lifetime of learning.
I'll concede a college choice may relavent to your first job placement, but thereafter, its relavance drops dramatically. The initial education tools you bring to work, are thereafter, measured by your skills and dedication to a talented application of them.
I realize this stirs the pot here...but is your thought of going to MU based on costs/jobs, or other, broader factors? I am respectful of both groups...but my view, personally, has little to do with the former.
Your thoughts(without killing the messeger-lol) ?
In my opinion it depends if the reason for attending college is to get access to a career or to earn an education. Those are two different things in my view but important questions.
If your goal at 18 years old is to become a teacher and your heart is set on that path, then that appears to me to be a career path track that is chosen and finances should be considered in choosing a college and the debt that comes with it. I'd apply the same standard to other majors that are typically career patch funnels right from college.
If, however, one attends college from a broader POV and isn't linked necessarily to a specific path, then the answer to me is a bit different. I enjoyed the Jesuit foundation in teaching that so many of us received.
I agree that your choice of college becomes less important as you add to your resume, but even 20+ years in certain businesses I still see hiring out there based on "he's a Harvard guy"..."he's a Stanford guy"...or whatever. I'm amazed it comes up as much as it does. I don't give a crap if he went to Kissimmee College because he couldn't afford a better school or had to stay close by to take care of his dying mother, or whatever...he can either do the job or he can't. So in many ways I agree with you, but unfortunately don't see it always happening that way in reality as much as I would like to.
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In my opinion it depends if the reason for attending college is to get access to a career or to earn an education. Those are two different things in my view but important questions.
If your goal at 18 years old is to become a teacher and your heart is set on that path, then that appears to me to be a career path track that is chosen and finances should be considered in choosing a college and the debt that comes with it. I'd apply the same standard to other majors that are typically career patch funnels right from college.
If, however, one attends college from a broader POV and isn't linked necessarily to a specific path, then the answer to me is a bit different. I enjoyed the Jesuit foundation in teaching that so many of us received.
I agree that your choice of college becomes less important as you add to your resume, but even 20+ years in certain businesses I still see hiring out there based on "he's a Harvard guy"..."he's a Stanford guy"...or whatever. I'm amazed it comes up as much as it does. I don't give a crap if he went to Kissimmee College because he couldn't afford a better school or had to stay close by to take care of his dying mother, or whatever...he can either do the job or he can't. So in many ways I agree with you, but unfortunately don't see it always happening that way in reality as much as I would like to.
+1, especially the bold
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If the only reason you choose to go to one school over another is because of economic advantages, I have a hard time believing that MU gives you any benefit over a decent state university. In Wisconsin, there are all sorts of programs at UW schools that would give you the same quality of education in a specific topic. However I think a college education means more than that.
That's kind of where I'm at with it.
I don't think MU has a great cost/value equation when you look at $$.
But, I think there is some huge long term value in the friends and relationships I built. Certainly those relationships could have been formed at other schools, but I like the quality/integrity of the people I've met at MU.
You are who are who you hang around with.
With that said, if I had it to do over again, I'd go to UofA. :-)
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There are certain professions where a poor college choice could haunt you forever. For example -- how many Tier-4 graduates would want to work for Fulbright & Jaworski and how many actually do?
Odd example--, respectfully, here, I disagree..College undergrad choice means little at law school. (Certainly, a quality law school matters.) I went to MU undergrad, and coincident to your example, in law school, I was recruited by F&J, and my first law job was with an F&J breakoff firm, (including the no. 1 and 4 ranked grads from UT law). With all of them...My MU undergrad was never a hindrance ... except that the ND club of Houston president was my boss-yuck.....and during FB season, I remained mute during talk of UT, ND, Stanford, Vanderbilt, and Rice FB. lol
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Odd example--, respectfully, here, I disagree..College undergrad choice means little at law school. (Certainly, a quality law school matters.) I went to MU undergrad, and coincident to your example, in law school, I was recruited by F&J, and my first law job was with an F&J breakoff firm, (including the no. 1 and 4 ranked grads from UT law). With all of them...My MU undergrad was never a hindrance ... except that the ND club of Houston president was my boss-yuck.....and during FB season, I remained mute during talk of UT, ND, Stanford, Vanderbilt, and Rice FB. lol
Allow me simplify the question... how many Tier-4 law school grads work for F&J percentage-wise? 1%? 0.1%? 0.01%? 0.0%?
My point is that your choice of undergrad definitely affects your opportunities after college be that career or graduate/professional school; by extension, making a poor choice can (and does) prevent many people from even getting a foot in the door in their field regardless of how competent or stellar they may be.
Further, most employers will look at your highest degree. An undergraduate degree from Harvard may be great, but if your JD was granted by Concordia Online School of Law or your MD was granted by Universidad de Guatamala-Aguablanco, you just wasted a lot of money on schooling.
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Odd example--, respectfully, here, I disagree..College undergrad choice means little at law school. (Certainly, a quality law school matters.) I went to MU undergrad, and coincident to your example, in law school, I was recruited by F&J, and my first law job was with an F&J breakoff firm, (including the no. 1 and 4 ranked grads from UT law). With all of them...My MU undergrad was never a hindrance ... except that the ND club of Houston president was my boss-yuck.....and during FB season, I remained mute during talk of UT, ND, Stanford, Vanderbilt, and Rice FB. lol
I had a similar experience - went to MU undergrad (had okay grades), went to law school in Texas and really focused. Got an offer from a wall street firm and worked 5 years in New York. MU undergrad was definitely not a hindrance and if anything I can't tell you how many people all over the country have asked me if I knew Dwyane Wade. People don't sit around reading academic rankings, but they do sit around watching college basketball.
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Allow me simplify the question... how many Tier-4 law school grads work for F&J percentage-wise? 1%? 0.1%? 0.01%? 0.0%?
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You've changed up your assumption/question to hold on to your point..and as you changed it up..part of it now works. You first referred to college choice...as material to F&J. As both I and poster Jacks DC note, our Marquette undergrad and our going to law school in Texas did not inhibit our carreer paths. Likewise MU is just fine for consideration/admission by law schools (I've never had any admission rejection, from any college, or law school), and an MU undergrad notation doesnt hurt your law school resume, including with F&J.
Your change up no longer refers to college choice ...but to now supposing one attends a Tier 4 law school...(Note-- I already conceded earlier the level of law school is important)...but except for probably TSU, and maybe St. Mary's, there arent any tier 4 law schools in Texas. I dont know anyone that attended either, and I doubt any MU'er ever went there.
Obviously, if you want to revise away from MU comparisons, and kick it down to a presidential candidate level, like the Palin collegiate resume, or the Bachman resume of attending Winona State, or to your Concordia Online Law...you'll have any logical person concede this level impacts matters...but the question is why? Why would two Marquette grads be taking school levels down to lower levels neither of us attended to try to prove a point that a truly low ranked school can hurt. It doesnt apply to us or to the points made, about MU.
My sole point is and remains an MU undergrad doesnt hurt when one has law 'school success, as I and Jacks DC were lucky enough to enjoy. An MU degree is a quality degree...we neednt walk in the muck of an online school...as we'd all concede the University of Phoenix isnt quite MU.lol
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Forgot to put my two cents in since I created this topic. It's been pretty interesting reading all the posts.
I actually just graduated from the CoBA. If I had the same grades in high school I'd definitely do MU again. But I'd agree with many that if I had better grades I'd go to a school with a tighter alumni base and more renown (Georgetown and Boston College comes to mind...).
Still though, I'm extremely glad to have gone to a school that has some spirit (visiting my friends at UW-Eau Claire or even...UWM was horrible. It's like the students hated the school) and a decent sport for everyone to rally behind.
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You've changed up your assumption/question to hold on to your point..and as you changed it up..part of it now works. You first referred to college choice...as material to F&J. As both I and poster Jacks DC note, our Marquette undergrad and our going to law school in Texas did not inhibit our carreer paths. Likewise MU is just fine for consideration/admission by law schools (I've never had any admission rejection, from any college, or law school), and an MU undergrad notation doesnt hurt your law school resume, including with F&J.
Your change up no longer refers to college choice ...but to now supposing one attends a Tier 4 law school...(Note-- I already conceded earlier the level of law school is important)...but except for probably TSU, and maybe St. Mary's, there arent any tier 4 law schools in Texas. I dont know anyone that attended either, and I doubt any MU'er ever went there.
Obviously, if you want to revise away from MU comparisons, and kick it down to a presidential candidate level, like the Palin collegiate resume, or the Bachman resume of attending Winona State, or to your Concordia Online Law...you'll have any logical person concede this level impacts matters...but the question is why? Why would two Marquette grads be taking school levels down to lower levels neither of us attended to try to prove a point that a truly low ranked school can hurt. It doesnt apply to us or to the points made, about MU.
My sole point is and remains an MU undergrad doesnt hurt when one has law 'school success, as I and Jacks DC were lucky enough to enjoy. An MU degree is a quality degree...we neednt walk in the muck of an online school...as we'd all concede the University of Phoenix isnt quite MU.lol
Ugh... I should know better than to try to argue with an attorney; I'm married to one. Give an example of your point, and they'll return fire by attacking your example whilst completely ignoring the original point.
Let me just sum my position by saying that I completely disagree with your earlier assessment that the relevance of your college choice drops off dramatically after your first job placement. This might have been generally true in years past, but considering that the majority of last month's graduates will be looking for their second job within 3 years, I would say that college choice will still be very much relevant (i.e. not "dramatically" less relevant) well past their first job placement.
If you want to get into an argument over the connotation of "dramatically," I'm game... it's the Friday before July 4th weekend and I'm stuck in the office with nothing to do.
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Let me just sum my position by saying that I completely disagree with your earlier assessment that the relevance of your college choice drops off dramatically after your first job placement. This might have been generally true in years past, but considering that the majority of last month's graduates will be looking for their second job within 3 years, I would say that college choice will still be very much relevant (i.e. not "dramatically" less relevant) well past their first job placement.
If you want to get into an argument over the connotation of "dramatically," I'm game... it's the Friday before July 4th weekend and I'm stuck in the office with nothing to do.
No arguments, here, sir.
The Independence Day holiday...is a good time for full respect to your independent thoughts and views on the continuing importance of college choice in job placement, in general(after all,our only diagreement was spurred by your F&J example--which I beat to death, and is now deceased--lol).
Others have chimed with you in support that college choice (MU vs Harvard--example) continues importance , well after the first job placement. If any MUer has lost out on a second or third job because MU was his college...well...as Chicos noted thats just reality, and I also agree with him..thats just plain sad such employers are such shallow fools. I've worked with Ivy Leaguers who hadnt learned yet how to fully perform in the workplace, even after their second or third job placement. That Ive been lucky enough to work and succeed in meritocracies...doesnt mean my experience translates to that of others.
I cant wrap my head around why any work experienced MU grad wouldnt compete fully, on resume, with anyone else, from any school, anywhere..but if its so..it must be so.
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I think a lot of people overvalue the name on the piece of paper.
Making a good impression and having good connections are far more important factors in getting a job.
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I think a lot of people overvalue the name on the piece of paper.
Making a good impression and having good connections are far more important factors in getting a job.
Yours free with every Notre Dame degree.
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Yours free with every Notre Dame degree.
If you live in the Midwest.
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Yours free with every Notre Dame degree.
Such an overrated school.
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I guess you aren't familiar with hou much nurses get paid these days.
Ditto that. MU is among the top Nursing schools out there.
And to answer the overall question, I'd do it over again in a heartbeat. MU absolutely shaped my life. For me, the calculation is so much more than weather, tuition comparsions, or how hot the girls were. Its been nearly 30 years since I left campus. Only wish I could do it over again.
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Looking back, I guess I would have wanted to be at Arkansas, Kentucky, UCLA (blech), or Arizona as they all won the NCAA title during my years at MU. That would have been awesome...
That said, I didn't apply to any of those schools so it wouldn't have mattered.
Sports was a huge factor for me. Running down Wisconsin Ave twice in my years at MU - one time with my brother who has visiting - were great memories for me as a sports fan and MU student.
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If you live in the Midwest.
It carries weight nationally, still, especially among Catholics. Easy to rip on them, but it's plenty powerful out here in California.
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Easy to rip on them, but it's plenty powerful out here in California.
Same can be said of gays.
I'd definitely attend Marquette again.
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Same can be said of gays.
I'd definitely attend Marquette again.
It's funny your signature says different rules for me because if I had said what you just said, SoCal would have banned me (he has in the past for some quip of that nature involving that protected class).
Of course you would attend MU again, it's probably the best gig you had.
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Yours free with every Notre Dame degree.
Sorry... what I meant to say was:
"Yours free with every Notre Dame eMBA degree."
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Yes!
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Completely agree on the student loan thing. Part of what I DIDN'T like about Marquette was having to take the core curriculum to be more "well rounded". I'm sorry but I really don't use what I learned in Western Civilization my freshman year to perform the job I do now. (I'm just using that as an example, I'm not knocking history.) My point is if I could have just taken the classes in my major I could have finished in fewer years and owed less.
On a side note, if anyone has inside information on how to get rid of student loan debt, besides paying it in full, let me know. :) I have heard even when you declare bankruptcy, student loan debt is one of the only things you absolutely cannot get rid of...sucks.
Right now, I would say no only due to financial obligations. Ask me again in 30 years, and I may have a different opinion. Don't get me wrong, I loved my time at Marquette and had the best time of life there, but I probably would have had just as much fun and life experiences at UW. UW is also a hell of a school academic-wise. So in hindsight, I would probably choose UW. I'm struggling with the $800 a month I pay in student loans and being a recent Comm major, the job market isn't very favorable.
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Completely agree on the student loan thing. Part of what I DIDN'T like about Marquette was having to take the core curriculum to be more "well rounded". I'm sorry but I really don't use what I learned in Western Civilization my freshman year to perform the job I do now. (I'm just using that as an example, I'm not knocking history.) My point is if I could have just taken the classes in my major I could have finished in fewer years and owed less.
On a side note, if anyone has inside information on how to get rid of student loan debt, besides paying it in full, let me know. :) I have heard even when you declare bankruptcy, student loan debt is one of the only things you absolutely cannot get rid of...sucks.
take out a bunch of credit cards, and pay off the loans using them.
then declare bankruptcy.
*laughs maniacally*
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Lol. It would work if they allowed loans to be paid with credit cards. :P
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Completely agree on the student loan thing. Part of what I DIDN'T like about Marquette was having to take the core curriculum to be more "well rounded". I'm sorry but I really don't use what I learned in Western Civilization my freshman year to perform the job I do now. (I'm just using that as an example, I'm not knocking history.) My point is if I could have just taken the classes in my major I could have finished in fewer years and owed less.
College should be more than a job training exercise.... Cura Personalis and all that.
Furthermore, there are many cheaper options than MU you could have chosen that would have gotten you just as good a job training education. Why didn't you choose them?
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At the time I was choosing a college, I didn't truly understand there were schools that did or did not have a core curriculum. Knowing what I know now, from a financial and efficiency standpoint, I would have chosen differently. That said, like most other people here, I loved my college years. What really did me in was the graduate school!
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Completely agree on the student loan thing. Part of what I DIDN'T like about Marquette was having to take the core curriculum to be more "well rounded". I'm sorry but I really don't use what I learned in Western Civilization my freshman year to perform the job I do now. (I'm just using that as an example, I'm not knocking history.) My point is if I could have just taken the classes in my major I could have finished in fewer years and owed less.
On a side note, if anyone has inside information on how to get rid of student loan debt, besides paying it in full, let me know. :) I have heard even when you declare bankruptcy, student loan debt is one of the only things you absolutely cannot get rid of...sucks.
So you're saying your research was faulty? Marquette could have helped you with that.
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Lol. It would work if they allowed loans to be paid with credit cards. :P
Fair enough, tie those credit cards to a bank account. Use said credit cards for a cash advance. Pay off loans. Declare bankruptcy for outstanding credit card debt. VICTORY!
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Would love to say yes, but at these tuition levels no way. My oldest son went to MU for first two years and then transferred to UW against his wishes. All said and done UW saved me roughly $50K. In perfect world my two youngest end up at MU..but, it will be tough.
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Lol. It would work if they allowed loans to be paid with credit cards. :P
Just use those "balance transfer" checks they send every once in a while. ;D
I actually thought long and hard about this many years back... I had a Citi card with a "soft" limit of $5,000 after college, i.e. I could charge over my credit limit so long as I brought the balance under the $5,000 before the next statement. I thought about running up the CC bill paying off my student loans (edited) and going the BK route, but decided that I didn't want to screw up my credit for 7 years in case I wanted to buy a house in a year or two... plus I figured that somehow, I'd lose out on my BK case because it would be obvious that I skirted the rules. So I kept my good credit score & 10 years later, I bought my first house.
If I had known then what I know now - a) the BK rules, how it really affects you, how to work it*, Peter Francis Geracy's office number, etc. b) that I wouldn't "need" my credit for 10 years, & c) how much Citibank truly sucks cornhole - I probably would have done it.
*From my experience as a creditor, not a debtor.
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Just use those "balance transfer" checks they send every once in a while. ;D
I actually thought long and hard about this many years back... I had a Citi card with a "soft" limit of $5,000 after college, i.e. I could charge over my credit limit so long as I brought the balance under the $5,000 before the next statement. I thought about running up the CC bill paying off my student loans (edited) and going the BK route, but decided that I didn't want to screw up my credit for 7 years in case I wanted to buy a house in a year or two... plus I figured that somehow, I'd lose out on my BK case because it would be obvious that I skirted the rules. So I kept my good credit score & 10 years later, I bought my first house.
If I had known then what I know now - a) the BK rules, how it really affects you, how to work it*, Peter Francis Geracy's office number, etc. b) that I wouldn't "need" my credit for 10 years, & c) how much Citibank truly sucks cornhole - I probably would have done it.
*From my experience as a creditor, not a debtor.
Peter Francis Geracy. Is there anything he doesn't know? /Homer Simpson.
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I hope you guys are not the weasels you appear to be. You're kidding, right?
Conning your way out of legit debt is wussy.
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Pull back, please, from the internet/layman schemes to avoid student loan repayment with credit card/credit line cash advances.
The current Bankruptcy Code was amended, during the Bush years, with heavy sponsorship of the Republicans/credit card companies, and over the objections of consumer advocate folks like Harvard Professor Elizabeth Warren, currently the Assistant to the President and Special Advisor to the Secretary of the Treasury on the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.( also, my favorite law school professor-lol).
Ponder this....do you think the credit card companies actually left a hole in the Code's dischargeability sections to allow your simple "scheme"?...Of course not.
In the new Code:
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Most people cant file for Chapter 7, ...if you have a higher than poverty level job...you earn too much, and must file Chapter 13 to payout your debts over time--- there is no more filing, and ...poof, the debts are gone.
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Even assuming you squeeze into a Chapter 7 filing, which discharges debt,...11 USC Section 523 provides, as you note, for the non discharge of student loan debt, and (under (a)(2))...the non discharge of most cash advance debt, including a statutory presumption that cash advance amounts over $825, are non dischargeable.
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Being sued for and having the cash advance debt or student loan debt declared not discharged under Section 523..(as is very, very, likely)...puts you in a lifetime credit hole with the very purpose of your filing (purging the debts) having been defeated. Effectively, you'll still owe the debt, (likely with atty fees added on)...and your credit was imploded by your own BR silver bullet. DUMB idea.
Its more productive to give up on the scheming, and to Work on ways to pay the debt, or to meet with the lender to workout different pay terms...there isnt a scheme out there allowing you to job the system for a free education.
Some would say its an ironic misuse of your education to try to think of ways to renege on the promises/contracts you made...to get the education, in the first place. Others call it fraud, and not dischargeable in BR. I dont join these, as its just useless bar talk...which I enjoy just fine, but I'd leave it at the bar, and wouldnt stake my future on it. lol
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So you're saying your research was faulty? Marquette could have helped you with that.
In hindsight, yes, I should have researched more, and I ignorantly assumed all colleges required you to take core curriculum. I went to Marquette primarily because they had a good PA program and it was relatively close to home. Also in hindsight, I believe having to take those core requirements was useless. You can pawn it off as "Cura Personalis" or whatever but I think that's a clever facade and a fallacy to make universities in general, not just Marquette, more money.
Marquette's a good school but I believe you can get as good an education, for less money, elsewhere.
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Pull back, please, from the internet/layman schemes to avoid student loan repayment with credit card/credit line cash advances.
The current Bankruptcy Code was amended, during the Bush years, with heavy sponsorship of the Republicans/credit card companies, and over the objections of consumer advocate folks like Harvard Professor Elizabeth Warren, currently the Assistant to the President and Special Advisor to the Secretary of the Treasury on the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.( also, my favorite law school professor-lol).
Certainly a big government whore like George Bush (who doubled government spending over eight years, as opposed to Clinton who was about even after eight years) was bad on student loans.
But if you're interested in how both parties have made the situation worse, here's a detailed history of how we got to this point:
http://www.collegescholarships.org/research/student-loans/
Your girl Elizabeth Warren even makes an appearance.
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In hindsight, yes, I should have researched more, and I ignorantly assumed all colleges required you to take core curriculum. I went to Marquette primarily because they had a good PA program and it was relatively close to home. Also in hindsight, I believe having to take those core requirements was useless. You can pawn it off as "Cura Personalis" or whatever but I think that's a clever facade and a fallacy to make universities in general, not just Marquette, more money.
Marquette's a good school but I believe you can get as good an education, for less money, elsewhere.
What 4 year universities don't require a core curriculum? Isn't that why it's a "univers(e)"ity, instead of a college?
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I hope you guys are not the weasels you appear to be. You're kidding, right?
Conning your way out of legit debt is wussy.
Seeing as how most debts that are discharged in BK are 'legit,' does that mean every person who's ever declared BK is a wuss? What about people who have patronized (or work for) a business that has gone through BK... are they wusses too?
America must be the wussiest country in world. Well, except for Greece maybe.
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Seeing as how most debts that are discharged in BK are 'legit,' does that mean every person who's ever declared BK is a wuss? What about people who have patronized (or work for) a business that has gone through BK... are they wusses too?
America must be the wussiest country in world. Well, except for Greece maybe.
I specifically said "conning your way out of legit debt". I meant spending time looking for crooked methods to get relief from legitimate debt. There are many legitimate reasons to declare bankruptcy. Weaseling out of student loans isn't one of them. See Phil 104, Theory of Ethics.
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I specifically said "conning your way out of legit debt". I meant spending time looking for crooked methods to get relief from legitimate debt. There are many legitimate reasons to declare bankruptcy. Weaseling out of student loans isn't one of them. See Phil 104, Theory of Ethics.
PHIL 104 has changed since you've been at school. :-D
and no, of course I wouldn't weasel my way out of debt.
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I specifically said "conning your way out of legit debt". I meant spending time looking for crooked methods to get relief from legitimate debt. There are many legitimate reasons to declare bankruptcy. Weaseling out of student loans isn't one of them. See Phil 104, Theory of Ethics.
Listen, debt is debt. It doesn't matter how "legit" it is... if you committed to it (i.e. borrowed, contracted, etc.), you should have to pay it when due. I have a hard time with the fact that there is any method to discharge debt, but as long as chapters 7, 11, 13 and that damn Wisconsin ch 128 are on the books, I'm not going to fault someone for exercising the law (although I will curse their name if they owe me money). What's the point in taking the moral high road while the weasels take all that's left? It's a dog eat dog world, if you want to wear Milk Bone underwear, fine... but don't complain when you lose it.
Although, I would be remiss if I didn't mention the growing number of students who are being "conned" into "legit debt" by schools who promise education leading to a career that will net enough income to reasonably pay off their student loans sometime between their 51st and 64th birthday... just in time to collect Social Security and Medicare, which incidentally, will themselves be bankrupt by then.
So who are the real weasels? The students who want an education to better themselves but aren't fortunate enough to get their parents to foot the bill, the schools who charge ridiculous tuition, or lenders who basically want to ensure these kids are going to be beholden to them for the next several decades?
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The worst abuses of the student loan system have little to do with the legit schools screening and admitting quality students , and providing a quality education , and degree...like MU.
Come and Go Online schools are finally getting the federal attention deserved for their ruinous abuse of the student loan system.
You may have seen 60 minutes on this, or read elsewhere, of how they "job" the system. For profit investors cruise to find a college with full accreditation...this is the key, especially if they are in year one, with, say 4 years running time before they come up for acreditation review(every 5 years). Also you want the small school financially to be on its last legs. The sharks "buy" the small school by paying the defaulted debt, or covering current cash needs, but solely premised on the agreement, it permit them to take over and to"virtualize" the school by offering thousands of online degrees, usually by a rebranding to a catchy elite sounding web name.
Next step is to flood the internet, and undereducated areas of the country with recruiters, who seek out and prey on students who normally wouldnt qualify for any college...(single moms, laid off workers, etc)...convincing them an online degree is a key to a good job, and a better life. Once signed up (SAT/ACT/GPA...no problem, mon-lol), the onliners qualify them for the max in student loans possible, and they cash the loan checks quickly.
Voila! There is no real educating, extremely low value to the degree, and ..who cares....the goal is to crank as much tuition receipts, as possible, until the accrediation people eventually jerk the school's accreditation, and then,well...just shut that one down...and "buy" another. The business model generates huge profits income for the owners, it never delivers squat for the duped, unqualified students, and few ever get jobs needed to repay the student loan debts.
The Irony is that online schools are exempt from a general federal rule that at least 10% of their funding NOT come from federally backed student aid...meaning 100% of the online school's for profit income can currently come from student loan proceeds.....with the primary result that the: i)taxpayers left with all the unpaid student debts and ii)the poor ,unemployed honest kids who struggle, but repay the loans(--despite their being scammed) are both funding the very profitable busines models of the onliners, and then the huge loan default rates.. by secondary result, make it harder and more expensive for the MU'er to borrow, and to repay(and the MUer is actually pursued more relentlessly for repayment...because the feds see at least he/she has a job....ironic).
Of Course remedying the onliners systemic abuse of the student loan $ flow...has become political...mods please do not delete. lol
http://www.usnews.com/mobile/articles_mobile/the-partisan-battle-over-for-profit-education
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/06/24/20090624loanfraud0624-ON.html
UPDATE: On the recent news of weaker than expected rules by the executive branch, including a 3 year delay on rules changes, the stock prices of the onliners soared, and Univ of Phoenix founder celebrated by selling $59 million of his stock, and yelling out...I am a Phoenix....Yeeeeeeooooowww! lol
The above pattern of the onliners will continue for at least a few more years... not good.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/13/university-of-phoenix-founder-john-sperling-sells-stock_n_897575.html
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The second largest Online college group, owned by our friends at Goldman Sachs, is sued in an $11 billion federal fraud suit-- a nice rundown of the fraud of online universities is laid out in this NY Times piece:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/09/education/09forprofit.html?_r=1&hpw
Huge scams like this, are abhorrent due to their tangental effect of damaging the student loan program , and opportunities/costs to legitimate university students--including, eventually, to MUers
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This shouldn't even be a question, let alone a discussion post on this website. I would attend Marquette again in a heartbeat. And all my kids will go to marquette. And all my kids will send their kids to Marquette etc.
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If I had the money I would send every kid on my block to Marquette. Sore high Golden Eagles.
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Nope. I loved my time at MU, and when I meet a fellow MU grad there's always a great connection. That being said, I had the grades to give me a shot at a top tier school but never gave a serious effort. Now five years out and in grad school looking at the network the top tier state school and private schoolers have, I'd have tried for one of those universities.
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Like I've always said. MU is middle of the road, nothing more, nothing less.
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I am one of 4 kids that has/goes/or will be going to MU. There is not a chance in hell that I would go to any other school. I had the best 4 years of my life in Milwaukee and continue to live vicariously through my younger brothers who attend Marquette. My kids don't have a choice MU will be shoved down there throats from day 1. I will never choose where my kids will go to school, but I can guarentee that Marquette will be a contender. Plus by the time I have kids and they are college bound, we will have won multiple national championships and Buzz will be approaching his 30 year tenure at MU.
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If I were to choose again I would have gone with Boston College. Boston is very similar to MKE but the pace and city see more alive than MKE. The oppourtunities on the East Coast seem to have more upside than the midwest. The only major city that MKE is close to is Chicago. While Boston is within a days trip of NYC, Philly, and DC.
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I would bet if you posed this question to any college graduate, the percentage of people who say they'd do it again vs. go elsewhere are going to be nearly the same.
MU grads might want something more prestigious.
Harvard grads might want a little more fun.
MIT grads might want a little more sun.
Michigan grads might want something farther away from Detroit.
UNLV grads might want less "culture"
BYU grads might want more "culture"
UW grads might not want to re-live the 60's in Madison.
There are always going to be reasons for and against attending MU again - and they'll certainly vary from person to person - but if you regret the decision you made, you have the ability to do it over again --- of course, you'll be the creepy 50 year old with a backwards ballcap at a frat party hitting on girls that weren't born the last time you had hair.
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I loved my Marquette experience. Made friends for life, great Milwaukee area network, spiritual growth, many other positives.
Not sure that I could pony up the $$ with total cost of an MU education increased more than 7% a year in 30 years.
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I got married on the steps of Johnston Hall
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I got married on the steps of Johnston Hall
Same spot F*ckin' lost his virginity.
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Same spot F*ckin' lost his virginity.
So that's what all the racket was.
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Same spot F*ckin' lost his virginity.
I didn't think F*ckin got that close to Gesu.
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Everything gets close to Gesu. It sees all.
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Like I've always said. MU is middle of the road, nothing more, nothing less.
Yep, and you've always been wrong.
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Yeah, I don't understand the middle of the road comment. I mean, USN&WR has MU as #75 out of 262 in their "national university" category. And that doesn't include the 400+ regional universities, liberal arts colleges, etc.
Not cream of the crop, but hardly middle of the road.
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I think that there's an important distinction between Marquette being a middle of the road school and Marquette being in a middle of the road city. I love Milwaukee/the Midwest. That being said, Marquette is as good a school to go to as any. The Marquette Mafia is alive and well, connections to the Midwest are probably as good as/better than any non-B10 school, and maybe better considering that the small MU community causes alums to look out for their own more than huge public schools.
That being said, I'm not sure what people that want to end up in NY, LA, DC, etc were expecting when they signed up for MU. Of course a smallish liberal arts college (see later post - I'm a dumbass) a regionally respected school in MKE isn't going to translate directly to NYC lofts and investment banking jobs. Nor is it going to (normally) cause doors to swing open in the entertainment industry in LA. But if you're a midwestern kid with a plan and desire to stay in the Midwest, I think MU is as good a choice as any and a better choice than most.
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If I had the money I would send every kid on my block to Marquette. Sore high Golden Eagles.
*Soar
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MUBurrow...I don't know what you mean. Marquette is a "smallish liberal arts college?" It is neither small, nor is it a liberal arts college.
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If I were to choose again I would have gone with Boston College. Boston is very similar to MKE but the pace and city see more alive than MKE. The oppourtunities on the East Coast seem to have more upside than the midwest. The only major city that MKE is close to is Chicago. While Boston is within a days trip of NYC, Philly, and DC.
But their college bkb team sucks balls!
I visited the campus. Sweet. Love the hill. FB field was sweet too.
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MUBurrow...I don't know what you mean. Marquette is a "smallish liberal arts college?" It is neither small, nor is it a liberal arts college.
touche and corrected. thats what i get for having a discussion on a topic IRL, simultaneous to writing on a message board. off the top of my head i would think the smallish thing stands up, then again I could easily be proven wrong compared to other private schools. majority of my post, beyond the shudder worthy mischaracterization of my own alma mater, stands though.
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I think that there's an important distinction between Marquette being a middle of the road school and Marquette being in a middle of the road city. I love Milwaukee/the Midwest. That being said, Marquette is as good a school to go to as any. The Marquette Mafia is alive and well, connections to the Midwest are probably as good as/better than any non-B10 school, and maybe better considering that the small MU community causes alums to look out for their own more than huge public schools.
That being said, I'm not sure what people that want to end up in NY, LA, DC, etc were expecting when they signed up for MU. Of course a smallish liberal arts college (see later post - I'm a dumbass) a regionally respected school in MKE isn't going to translate directly to NYC lofts and investment banking jobs. Nor is it going to (normally) cause doors to swing open in the entertainment industry in LA. But if you're a midwestern kid with a plan and desire to stay in the Midwest, I think MU is as good a choice as any and a better choice than most.
Have you left the midwest? Every time I've interviewed on the East or West coast they've been impressed with my university. Internationally, Marquette hasn't made a name for itself (when I was interviewing in London), but that's the case for most universities outside of the ivy league schools.
It may not open up entertainment industry jobs in LA, but if you went to school at MU for that then you're an idiot. Investment banking jobs in NY? I didn't know that MU had a Finance program until I just looked it up.
Marquette, like any other university, has its standout colleges and its up-and-coming colleges. Perhaps you should have looked closer at MU's engineering program before you graduated with a degree from a lesser college and couldn't find yourself a job?
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It may not open up entertainment industry jobs in LA, but if you went to school at MU for that then you're an idiot. Investment banking jobs in NY? I didn't know that MU had a Finance program until I just looked it up.
Then you're going to hate the fact that a select group of finance majors manage a small portion of MU's endowment, for credit no less.
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Then you're going to hate the fact that a select group of finance majors manage a small portion of MU's endowment, for credit no less.
Whada ya expect from a Liberal Arts major.
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Then you're going to hate the fact that a select group of finance majors manage a small portion of MU's endowment, for credit no less.
Is that why our endowment sucks? Or is that just a fringe benefit?
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Our endowment is much better than it used to be. Traditionally, Catholic schools were "late-comers" to endowment.
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Is that why our endowment sucks? Or is that just a fringe benefit?
AIM (Applied Investment Management) program is receiving high marks in the Milwaukee investment world, and kids are getting noticed in NY and Chicago. A few kids are working on Wall Street. Dr. Krause is doing a great job building the program. Only started in 2005 (??)
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AIM (Applied Investment Management) program is receiving high marks in the Milwaukee investment world, and kids are getting noticed in NY and Chicago. A few kids are working on Wall Street. Dr. Krause is doing a great job building the program. Only started in 2005 (??)
Good to hear!
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AIM (Applied Investment Management) program is receiving high marks in the Milwaukee investment world, and kids are getting noticed in NY and Chicago. A few kids are working on Wall Street. Dr. Krause is doing a great job building the program. Only started in 2005 (??)
AIM isn't new at the graduate/post-grad level, but MU is one of the pioneers for having AIM at the undergrad level. Not only are the kids getting noticed in NY and Chicago, but the undergrad program is being noticed (and emulated) by other universities... some of which have already been mentioned in this thread as some Scoopers' "woulda-shouldas."
Next time you want to imply national irrelevance in a program at MU - you might want to choose something other than finance.
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Or how about don't bad mouth MU at all considering most of us went there and are very proud of it. If you have a negative thought keep it to yourself
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Why cant we all just be friends
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Or how about don't bad mouth MU at all considering most of us went there and are very proud of it. If you have a negative thought keep it to yourself
(deleted cuz ya'll make me feel bad about being a jerk)
seriously though, thats great to hear about the Finance department really starting to get some legs. That kind of momentum should help with a new building too, Straz Business just isn't going to cut it when MUs business program really starts contending with higher level graduate programs.
Ditto good to hear about the engineering dept evidently exporting well. I'm curious though (particularly to Skat) if those positive experiences regarding interviews on the coasts include having some job experience, etc. I think the true sign of how a degree travels is for those students who are newly out and don't have any work experience, etc. By the time you've been out awhile and other more recent experience has filled your resume, your school becomes far less important.
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Sorry... that might have been a little harsh. I don't think anyone here is "badmouthing" MU --- when fellow alums take shots at the 3rd floor of Straz Hall I just get the urge to fire back. I know, it's all in fun.
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You are right about Stratz. UW, UWM and UW-Whitewater all have better business buildings...and those are just the ones in state.
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Our endowment is much better than it used to be. Traditionally, Catholic schools were "late-comers" to endowment.
Endowment does suck and Georgetown, BC, and Notre Dame are doin' just fine.
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Endowment does suck and Georgetown, BC, and Notre Dame are doin' just fine.
Open the checkbook, Whatley.
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Endowment does suck and Georgetown, BC, and Notre Dame are doin' just fine.
They are late-comers, but that doesn't mean that others have done a better job at raising it.
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Open the checkbook, Whatley.
Ah..............can to compare?
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Ah..............can to compare?
Jay Bee told me you only do comparisons at the urinal.
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BJ only heads into the door marked, "women."
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I only heads into the door marked, "women."
Then that's why Jay Bee is such an expert.
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I'm curious though (particularly to Skat) if those positive experiences regarding interviews on the coasts include having some job experience, etc. I think the true sign of how a degree travels is for those students who are newly out and don't have any work experience, etc. By the time you've been out awhile and other more recent experience has filled your resume, your school becomes far less important.
I'm definitely getting interviews and hired because of my experience, that will be the case for any position I'm applying for (in that 8-10+ years of experience category).
That being said, it's rare when MU doesn't come up in an interview. The farther away from MU you are the discussion definitely leans towards basketball and DWade, but after that they say "MU is a tough school, isn't it?"
Coming out of school, though, I got jobs with my degree in Computer Engineering based solely on the back of Marquette's reputation. I, sadly, didn't have an internship and I didn't participate in the co-op program so I had a very weak resume. I had no problems getting gigs in Chicago (obviously), Phoenix and Irvine, CA. I do interview very well, though :)