Not what SHOULD it be, but what WILL it be?
1. Jimmy Butler selected in the 1st round to the Chicago Bulls, second consecutive Marquette player to be drafted in the first round
2. Jon Leuer selected in the 2nd round to the Milwaukee Bucks, one of only three UW players actually drafted for the NBA since 2000.
I guess, just trying to prove a point. Everyone knows it will be #2 even though #1 is more of an achievement. This state is gung-ho on the Bucks and Badgers, Marquette always takes the sideshow.
Bucks, Begging to be Contracted, Draft Leuer
Quote from: xghostsniperx on June 23, 2011, 11:04:21 PM
Not what SHOULD it be, but what WILL it be?
1. Jimmy Butler selected in the 1st round to the Chicago Bulls, second consecutive Marquette player to be drafted in the first round
2. Jon Leuer selected in the 2nd round to the Milwaukee Bucks, one of only three UW players actually drafted for the NBA since 2000.
I guess, just trying to prove a point. Everyone knows it will be #2 even though #1 is more of an achievement. This state is gung-ho on the Bucks and Badgers, Marquette always takes the sideshow.
The problem is you have one story that is a double Wisconsin theme....Wisconsin player goes to Wisconsin pro basketball team. The other is Wisconsin player (Butler) goes to play for hated Chicago team.
I don't know what the story will be, I suspect both stories make the front page of the sports section to be honest with you, but one story is pulling two heart strings vs the other pulling one. There are also more UW-madison fans in Milwaukee then MU has in the state of Wisconsin. Just the reality.
Both will be big, but the Leuer story will be bigger...and it should be.
It's the biggest paper in the state, located in the biggest city, with the one pro hoops team, who drafted a player from the biggest school in the state. It's not bias. It's meeting the needs of the majority of your audience. I have no problem if Leuer is bigger.
As far as the state being "gung ho" for the Bucks...I beg to differ, but they are still going to get the coverage. MU gets more fans than the Bucks on a game-by-game basis.
It will be Leuer because the JS and most of the State of Wisconsin is the most provincial place in America. Motto of the JS: "If it didn't happen in Wisconsin, it didn't happen!"
Leuer is a local going to a local team. Butler came to Marquette -- which has more per capita out of state residents -- from someplace else. He had is pound of cheese and now he is on his way to the dreaded flatlands. So he's Persona Non Cheesehead, or an unperson as far as the JS is concerned.
The JS is one of the worst metro dailies in America. It's falling readership is telling it that, but the arrogance of journalists suggests no one downtown is listening.
Who cares what the headline is? The Bucks had a horrible draft day. Butler got first round money. I would rather have seen him go to the Heat, but the Bulls is not a bad situation.
It's fine if the JS has Leuer-Bucks as the headline, but it is a D+ draft at best. I can't believe you trade for a 11-year vet malcontent chucker on this team and then draft a ceiling Kurt Thomas and ceiling Yi Jianliang. Where are you going? If the Bucks get the headline, it should be a negative headline.
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on June 23, 2011, 11:21:51 PM
Both will be big, but the Leuer story will be bigger...and it should be.
It's really unfortunate that it's like that, because Jimmy, after the ESPN article, probably has the best story of anyone drafted tonight. However, we can't change how MU is viewed outside of our community.
What we can do, however, is gloat in the fact that DWade has a ring and got to the finals again as a star, Wes is starting for a perennial playoff team, Zar is still getting his 1st round money for the Bucks, and Jimmy is on a future perennial title team.
I really can't see how anyone can be disappointed as to where Jimmy got drafted. Granted Thibs doesn't like rookies, but I see Jimmy being one of the first off the bench to rest Deng, and given what he's shown at MU he has a long career ahead of him.
I feel better about Jimmy's situation than I do about Zar's, just because the Bulls seem to be a better organization than the TWolves.
Current JSOnline Headline: Bucks trade Salmons, Maggette; add Harris, Leuer in NBA draft
No mention of Jimmy or MU in entire article.
Jimmy will get mentioned, no worries. If he was front page of Espn for a day he will be on the front page of a local newspaper.
Quote from: JMcSteal on June 24, 2011, 12:54:15 AM
Jimmy will get mentioned, no worries. If he was front page of Espn for a day he will be on the front page of a local newspaper.
In Tomball.
This is the Madison Journal-Sentinel we're talking about.
I can see the headline now: Bucks draft great white pride; ask Jimmer for hat back
Quote from: MUSig54 on June 23, 2011, 11:41:52 PM
It's really unfortunate that it's like that, because Jimmy, after the ESPN article, probably has the best story of anyone drafted tonight. However, we can't change how MU is viewed outside of our community.
I don't think it has anything to do with how MU is viewed. The day after the NBA draft most of the coverage in a city that is home to an NBA team will go to that NBA team. Seems pretty logical to me...add to that the fact that they drafted a player from a local University (the state's biggest at that.)
If the Bucks draft a player from any school in the state be it MU, UWM, Madison, or UWGB it will be the biggest story and it should.
as an admitted bulls fan, i loved the bucks draft night. shedded some awful contracts for someone who is still useful in stevie jackson. thats a draft night win in my book. and the front page of todays paper was a bucks draft preview, and a lot of brewers. and a profile of butler. no mention of leuer. i think friday will be primarily about the buckss draft yet again, with a bit more leuer than is warranted. but jimmy will make the front page again.
but as a sox fan, i learned a LONG time ago bitching about column inches is pointless, especially with so many good sox (and marquette) sources are around
"Despite Playing at That Criminal Institution, MU, Butler Drafted #1 By Bulls"
or
"F*ckin Delivers Bottled Water in Record Time"
While I hate the MJS, in all fairness to them they are a Bucks newspaper, not a Bulls.
Quote from: karavotsos on June 23, 2011, 11:37:09 PM
Who cares what the headline is? The Bucks had a horrible draft day. Butler got first round money. I would rather have seen him go to the Heat, but the Bulls is not a bad situation.
It's fine if the JS has Leuer-Bucks as the headline, but it is a D+ draft at best. I can't believe you trade for a 11-year vet malcontent chucker on this team and then draft a ceiling Kurt Thomas and ceiling Yi Jianliang. Where are you going? If the Bucks get the headline, it should be a negative headline.
The purpose of the trade was to shed contracts...and I believe Jackson's expires next year. If you cant be really, really good in the NBA, you might as well get really, really bad.
Quote from: dgies9156 on June 23, 2011, 11:31:32 PM
It will be Leuer because the JS and most of the State of Wisconsin is the most provincial place in America. Motto of the JS: "If it didn't happen in Wisconsin, it didn't happen!"
Leuer is a local going to a local team. Butler came to Marquette -- which has more per capita out of state residents -- from someplace else. He had is pound of cheese and now he is on his way to the dreaded flatlands. So he's Persona Non Cheesehead, or an unperson as far as the JS is concerned.
The JS is one of the worst metro dailies in America. It's falling readership is telling it that, but the arrogance of journalists suggests no one downtown is listening.
Have you lived very many other places? You have pretty much described how every "metro daily" approaches business these days. And the reason is that local news is their only advantage - I wouldn't go to the MJS to read up on world events for instance - and the editors know that.
Honestly, there are only two daily newspapers I would ever subscribe to, the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal. The rest are only internet worthy. And even those two papers are bleeding print subscribers - every publication is.
Headline in my mind: Ben Hansbrough still waiting for the call.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 24, 2011, 05:48:54 AM
While I hate the MJS, in all fairness to them they are a Bucks newspaper, not a Bulls.
Agreed. In Cleveland, Norris Cole became the first player drafted out of Cleveland State in 25 years, and he went in the first round to the Bulls. I certainly wouldn't expect that to be the headline in the Plain Dealer. The primary focus will be on the local NBA franchise, and not on the fact that a player from a local school was drafted. I don't think this demonstrates any real bias.
Not saying that the JS isn't biased in favor of UW. I'm sure it is; just like the PD is biased toward OSU. This just really isn't the best example.
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on June 24, 2011, 08:25:51 AM
Headline in my mind: Ben Hansbrough still waiting for the call.
That made me laugh...probably more than it should have.
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on June 24, 2011, 08:25:51 AM
Headline in my mind: Ben Hansbrough still waiting for the call.
Boers and Bernstein (670 out of Chicago) were talking about Ben Hansbrough a few days ago. Both said that he had no chance of being drafted because no NBA team wants a 12th man who is likely to get punched in the face during practice by one of the star players. There's probably some truth to that. BH is pretty irritating as a player.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 24, 2011, 08:54:47 AM
Boers and Bernstein (670 out of Chicago) were talking about Ben Hansbrough a few days ago. Both said that he had no chance of being drafted because no NBA team wants a 12th man who is likely to get punched in the face during practice by one of the star players. There's probably some truth to that. BH is pretty irritating as a player.
See my previous post (09:48:36 AM).
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on June 24, 2011, 08:25:51 AM
Headline in my mind: Ben Hansbrough still waiting for the call.
Carlton Scott really questioning that decision to leave early...
Quote from: JWags85 on June 24, 2011, 09:42:11 AM
Carlton Scott really questioning that decision to leave early...
Maybe. Maybe not. He can go to Europe and make a couple hundred thousand dollars to play basketball and not have to live in South Bend. Not the NBA, but not a bad gig.
For the record, the online version of the MJS has a pic of Tobias Harris, followed by a story by Michael Hunt about the Bucks.
Third story: "Marquette's Butler has a special night" and then...
"Notes: Bucks say they're pleased with Leuer selection"
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 24, 2011, 10:14:03 AM
For the record, the online version of the MJS has a pic of Tobias Harris, followed by a story by Michael Hunt about the Bucks.
Third story: "Marquette's Butler has a special night" and then...
"Notes: Bucks say they're pleased with Leuer selection"
Mike Hunt? Mike Hunt? His parents really named him Mike Hunt??
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 24, 2011, 07:31:33 AM
The purpose of the trade was to shed contracts...and I believe Jackson's expires next year. If you cant be really, really good in the NBA, you might as well get really, really bad.
Well played, Mr. Hammond. I will incorporate that logic into my next performance review.
For what it is worth; and perhaps the biggest surprise in the paper to all of us. Is that Jimmy Butler made the Front page and Leur did not.
Quote from: dgies9156 on June 23, 2011, 11:31:32 PM
The JS is one of the worst metro dailies in America. It's falling readership is telling it that, but the arrogance of journalists suggests no one downtown is listening.
I've got to defend JS. Most newspapers have just gone out of business in the internet age, but all of them have falliing circulations. I believe it's a shame, and really enjoyed my brief time in the late 80s working as the lowest of the low (sports agate) with a couple of the sports writers that are still there. I really view it as a very good newspaper, but with advertising revenue down everywhere, there is so little space to get in good writing that the reporters are squeezed.
The fact is Wisconsin has, I'm sure, more than 10 times as many graduates living in Wisconsin as Marquette grads in the state, so they have to give them the ink. If I lived in Wisconsin I'm sure I'd wish it were the other way around, but MU gets a lot more air time in New York and I'm guessing Chicago, and that is much more important to me until Wisconsin starts producing more than one 5-star player every 5 years (BTW, thanks for coming to MU Vander!)
Bo runs a great scheme for winning college games - I give him his due - but he runs a scheme that is going to make it hard for many of his players to go to the NBA, so let them have more JS coverage of their boring but effective offense. I don't believe it hurts our program in the least, and I don't blame JS for tailoring to their readership base.