We are lacking recruiting buzz. Where are we with this crucial aspect of program building?
On that note, York just had an outstanding visit with Notre Dame who will be a player for his services all the way to end. Unenviable for Marquette to follow that, but we were scheduled to be the caboose.
Any news?
Always better to have the last shot.
Bring him next week during Summerfest? A lot going on, maybe the weather will be nice by
then!
I saw him on campus yesterday being toted around on a golf cart. There was a news van set up next to the blood center with a camera pointed to Humphrey. hopefully he isn't hearing any of the negative press.
Quote from: National Champs on June 23, 2011, 11:28:11 AM
I saw him on campus yesterday being toted around on a golf cart. There was a news van set up next to the blood center with a camera pointed to Humphrey. hopefully he isn't hearing any of the negative press.
You are better off having it out in the open, so you can talk about it. I am sure Notre Dame or any other suiter is going to point it out anyways. It would not be wise to try to cover up a cover up. However, I will find it hard to believe that this does not hurt recruiting.
Quote from: bilsu on June 23, 2011, 11:34:47 AM
You are better off having it out in the open, so you can talk about it. I am sure Notre Dame or any other suiter is going to point it out anyways. It would not be wise to try to cover up a cover up. However, I will find it hard to believe that this does not hurt recruiting.
You really think ND is in any position to be using negative recruiting tactics about how a sexual assault complaint was handled?
Gabe York is the exception that proves the rule. He's a two guard in a point guard's body. But he can fill it up. He's willing to work on the point guard aspects of his game. Big time player.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 23, 2011, 11:51:42 AM
You really think ND is in any position to be using negative recruiting tactics about how a sexual assault complaint was handled?
Yes-our problem is in the news now.
Quote from: bilsu on June 23, 2011, 11:59:26 AM
Yes-our problem is in the news now.
Perhaps Gabe will prefer one of the many, many quality Division I athletic programs that's never had legal issues involving players.
Oh, wait ....
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on June 23, 2011, 09:34:35 AM
We are lacking recruiting buzz. Where are we with this crucial aspect of program building?
On that note, York just had an outstanding visit with Notre Dame who will be a player for his services all the way to end. Unenviable for Marquette to follow that, but we were scheduled to be the caboose.
Any news?
So, we're going to be pulling a train?
Quote from: BCHoopster on June 23, 2011, 10:57:27 AM
Bring him next week during Summerfest? A lot going on, maybe the weather will be nice by
then!
Nobody is bringing Gabe York in. He and his family are footing the bill for these trips so he lumped in his visit with the trip to Notre Dame. If he is physically ready to go, his July will be jam packed with camps and AAU tournaments. This was probably MU's shot to impress him.
I can't imagine any recruit getting jacked up to play four seasons of home games at the Joyce Center. That place completely blows. But the rest of the campus is very nice.
If ND put 1/10 of the money into basketball that it does football, they'd have some pretty awesome facilities.
But the fact of the matter is, any basketball recruit to ND has to face the fact that they play their home games in the shadow of "Touchdown Jesus" and Notre Dame stadium. You might as well play BB in the SEC.
Quote from: lurch91 on June 23, 2011, 12:20:11 PM
I can't imagine any recruit getting jacked up to play four seasons of home games at the Joyce Center. That place completely blows. But the rest of the campus is very nice.
If ND put 1/10 of the money into basketball that it does football, they'd have some pretty awesome facilities.
But the fact of the matter is, any basketball recruit to ND has to face the fact that they play their home games in the shadow of "Touchdown Jesus" and Notre Dame stadium. You might as well play BB in the SEC.
The Joyce Center just went through an extensive renovation prior to last year and from an architectural point of view, I am very impressed. Notre Dame has a lot to sell.
Quote from: bilsu on June 23, 2011, 11:59:26 AM
Yes-our problem is in the news now.
The Tribune story on MU was part of a larger series, and ND was dragged through the mud the previous days.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/tribnation/chi-how-we-reported-on-campus-sexual-assaults-20110617,0,4560837.story
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/education/ct-met-campus-sexual-assaults-0617-20110616,0,6617854.story
Quote from: Litehouse on June 23, 2011, 01:17:00 PM
The Tribune story on MU was part of a larger series, and ND was dragged through the mud the previous days.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/tribnation/chi-how-we-reported-on-campus-sexual-assaults-20110617,0,4560837.story
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/education/ct-met-campus-sexual-assaults-0617-20110616,0,6617854.story
The difference is that Buzz is coming accross as a person who believes heavily in God. Which leaves you open to critcism anytime anything looks bad. A player's mom who likes Buzz's faith base approach is not going to like what is in the news about MU. Besides we all know recruiting is a dog eat dog world and in most cases anything that can put your opponent in a bad light will be used in one fashion or another.
I guess I don't see the difference then. ND plays up God as much as anybody, and their situations are arguably worse than MU's.
Quote from: bilsu on June 23, 2011, 01:45:18 PM
The difference is that Buzz is coming accross as a person who believes heavily in God. Which leaves you open to critcism anytime anything looks bad. A player's mom who likes Buzz's faith base approach is not going to like what is in the news about MU. Besides we all know recruiting is a dog eat dog world and in most cases anything that can put your opponent in a bad light will be used in one fashion or another.
Right or wrong, I kinda doubt a recruit's family is going to take exception to a coach trying to protect his player.
Quote from: bilsu on June 23, 2011, 01:45:18 PM
The difference is that Buzz is coming accross as a person who believes heavily in God. Which leaves you open to critcism anytime anything looks bad. A player's mom who likes Buzz's faith base approach is not going to like what is in the news about MU. Besides we all know recruiting is a dog eat dog world and in most cases anything that can put your opponent in a bad light will be used in one fashion or another.
I can see it now ....
"Coach Buzz, I really like your program, the facilities, the Big East and Marquette's academics. And I think you as a coach could help me develop into a potential NBA player, as with Jimmy Butler.
But I just can't in good conscience attend a school whose former policy regarding complaints of sexual abuse didn't require campus security to report allegations to a law enforcement authority."
Gabe has attended Orange County Lutheran High (OLU). My first cousin teaches there, and its a very high quality, but conservative parochial Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod school.
I dont know how material such is to his family in college choice.
However, Gabe may share my impression coming out of Milw Luth HS, and with a similar backround, ...namely, that MU was welcoming and warm to protestants...and ND was..well, not so much.
I'd guess the family will be very impressed and comfortable with the sincere, straight talking evangelistic zeal of Buzz Williams...hes like many of the teachers/coaches at OLU...and a continuation of Gabe's upbringing, to this point.
Quote from: bilsu on June 23, 2011, 11:34:47 AM
You are better off having it out in the open, so you can talk about it. I am sure Notre Dame or any other suiter is going to point it out anyways. It would not be wise to try to cover up a cover up. However, I will find it hard to believe that this does not hurt recruiting.
You really think ND is going to be waving this in kids faces?
In 2002, four football players were dismissed from the university when accused of rape. One was acquitted, charges were dismissed against two of them, and the fourth was convicted of a lesser charge. But they were expelled before the criminal charges.
AND
Ms. Seeberg was a student at nearby Saint Mary's College. On the night of Aug. 31 while in a dorm room at the University of Notre Dame, Lizzy alleged that a current Notre Dame football player fondled her breasts without her consent, constituting sexual assault.
She went on to kill herself.
AND
the death of 20-year-old team videographer Declan Sullivan in October. Amidst 50 mph winds, Sullivan was ordered onto a fifty-foot high "scissor lift" to videotape practice.
Anyone know if York was on campus last night? Would have made a favorable impression with Butler getting selected in first round and the staff reminding him about Hayward last year. Hoping he was hanging out with MU players for the draft show.
Quote from: nyg on June 24, 2011, 07:14:58 AM
Anyone know if York was on campus last night? Would have made a favorable impression with Butler getting selected in first round and the staff reminding him about Hayward last year. Hoping he was hanging out with MU players for the draft show.
Especially with WesMat being in town yesterday. It would be a memorable visit, I'd think :)
Quote from: Skatastrophy on June 24, 2011, 07:25:15 AM
Especially with WesMat being in town yesterday. It would be a memorable visit, I'd think :)
Would not have been that exciting at Notre Dame with Carleton Scott and Ben Hansbourgh not being picked. Think Buzz will use that? YES.........
Quote from: RawdogDX on June 23, 2011, 04:06:08 PM
You really think ND is going to be waving this in kids faces?
In 2002, four football players were dismissed from the university when accused of rape. One was acquitted, charges were dismissed against two of them, and the fourth was convicted of a lesser charge. But they were expelled before the criminal charges.
AND
Ms. Seeberg was a student at nearby Saint Mary's College. On the night of Aug. 31 while in a dorm room at the University of Notre Dame, Lizzy alleged that a current Notre Dame football player fondled her breasts without her consent, constituting sexual assault.
She went on to kill herself.
AND
the death of 20-year-old team videographer Declan Sullivan in October. Amidst 50 mph winds, Sullivan was ordered onto a fifty-foot high "scissor lift" to videotape practice.
I do not think you directly say anything about it. You might say MU is getting some bad press lately and not comment other than that.
He's easy to give a playing nickname.
Quote from: nyg on June 24, 2011, 07:14:58 AM
Anyone know if York was on campus last night? Would have made a favorable impression with Butler getting selected in first round and the staff reminding him about Hayward last year. Hoping he was hanging out with MU players for the draft show.
I read the team was at Buzz's house for the draft last night. Is that a problem to have a recruit to the coach's house? Didn't Pearl's problems at UT start this way? or were the problems only because of the cover up and lying?
Can't have a recruit at the house, is my understanding. Pearl did it, which was wrong, and then lied about it to the NCAA.
York's visit was Wednesday. He was at the Deron Williams camp yesterday
Quote from: Slim on June 24, 2011, 09:12:41 AM
I read the team was at Buzz's house for the draft last night. Is that a problem to have a recruit to the coach's house? Didn't Pearl's problems at UT start this way? or were the problems only because of the cover up and lying?
Pretty sure you're correct. Can't entertain a recruit off campus (i.e. Coaches house). Although sitting next to the starting guard of the Blazers, while getting swept up in the hoopla of watching an MU player getting drafted in the 1st Rd would've been a momentum changer in my book.
Quote from: YoungMUFan4 on June 24, 2011, 09:17:28 AM
York's visit was Wednesday. He was at the Deron Williams camp yesterday
He must be injured and only watching as he isn't on the camp roster.
Quote from: bilsu on June 24, 2011, 08:11:41 AM
I do not think you directly say anything about it. You might say MU is getting some bad press lately and not comment other than that.
fair enough.
Past articles stated he was visiting MU and ND because he was going to be in CHI for the camp. I also saw he wasnt on the roster
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 23, 2011, 12:18:18 PM
So, we're going to be pulling a train?
Considering the recent news on Marquette Basketball during the Spring, don't think anyone in the program needs practice in running a train.
Gabe York is in fact injured and has been on crutches recently.
Is it just me, or does anyone else think the train pulling references are tasteless (at best)?
Quote from: ringout on June 24, 2011, 11:13:57 AM
Is it just me, or does anyone else think the train pulling references are tasteless (at best)?
I absolutely, wholeheartedly agree with you.
Quote from: slingkong on June 24, 2011, 08:43:39 AM
Gork?
I was thinking more along the lines of Sargent.....
Quote from: ringout on June 24, 2011, 11:13:57 AM
Is it just me, or does anyone else think the train pulling references are tasteless (at best)?
Yes...very very bad form...I havent been hip in at least 30 years (if ever)...so I had to google to the urban dictionary to learn its meaning....wow...
If MU may face a lawsuit...do you want the train pulling posts, defined, and blown up for the jury to read? Alums appearing coarse to the occurence is just not good.
Glad to know there's a fellow Red Knight in here! 05 alum.
Quote from: houwarrior on June 23, 2011, 02:58:51 PM
Gabe has attended Orange County Lutheran High (OLU). My first cousin teaches there, and its a very high quality, but conservative parochial Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod school.
I dont know how material such is to his family in college choice.
However, Gabe may share my impression coming out of Milw Luth HS, and with a similar backround, ...namely, that MU was welcoming and warm to protestants...and ND was..well, not so much.
I'd guess the family will be very impressed and comfortable with the sincere, straight talking evangelistic zeal of Buzz Williams...hes like many of the teachers/coaches at OLU...and a continuation of Gabe's upbringing, to this point.
Quote from: houwarrior on June 24, 2011, 03:02:25 PM
Yes...very very bad form...I havent been hip in at least 30 years (if ever)...so I had to google to the urban dictionary to learn its meaning....wow...
If MU may face a lawsuit...do you want the train pulling posts, defined, and blown up for the jury to read? Alums appearing coarse to the occurence is just not good.
"You're honor, I've marked this next exhibit 'Exhibit C'. Now Mr. Buzz Williams, could you please read what this says?"
"It looks like a print off from a basketball message board with a quote from something named 'Golden Avalanche' talking about trains."
"I rest my case"
http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/103454/the-chewbacca-defense (http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/103454/the-chewbacca-defense)
Sounds like York had a very good visit. MU will be in the hunt until the end. Was worried it'd be tough sell coming off the South Bend visit. Just need to close him down unlike Dawson, Shaw, Hood, Faust, et al.
Think MU needs to hit some recruiting buzz. Feels a little stale.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on June 30, 2011, 09:30:54 AM
Sounds like York had a very good visit. MU will be in the hunt until the end. Was worried it'd be tough sell coming off the South Bend visit. Just need to close him down unlike Dawson, Shaw, Hood, Faust, et al.
Think MU needs to hit some recruiting buzz. Feels a little stale.
Good news...Source?
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on June 30, 2011, 09:30:54 AM
Sounds like York had a very good visit. MU will be in the hunt until the end. Was worried it'd be tough sell coming off the South Bend visit. Just need to close him down unlike Dawson, Shaw, Hood, Faust, et al.
Think MU needs to hit some recruiting buzz. Feels a little stale.
Yeah - Getting Mayo this spring was a little stale. Landing the Number 2 player in the state of Virginia for 2012 was a little premature, and far too long ago for most of us to remember. Getting TJ Taylor, a consensus 4-Star coming out of High School this spring..also makes it a little stale lately.
Though I do realize given another of your recent posts - you have come to expect news every month of the off-season as has been the case in Buzz's previous years here.
Hopefully we do land York, and it isn't a case of missing on a 5-star like Dawson and high 4-stars Hood, and Faust. I'm sure looking at the MU roster, Dawson and Hood and Faust had reservations coming onto a team that had a 5-star Vander, and 2 high 4-stars Jones and Wilson, essentially just 1 class year ahead of them. Hood and Faust are virtually locks for guaranteed starting spots at Mississippi State and Maryland. Dawson, might be able to crack the lineup at MSU as a freshman too - but he certainly wasn't going to beat out Jae Crowder for a starting spot at MU at the 4 this year..
Sounds like Notre Dame is out of the running
BGI_WesMorgan: 2012 PG Gabe York called #NotreDame coach Mike Brey Wednesday and said it was time to move on. Washington, Marquette and Arizona final three
Wow, somehow it looks like York is not talking at all about the bad press MU is getting, and is instead talking about NDs style of play being a concern, Buzz being hillarious, and the Big East being a great, great conference. I'm not criticizing the back and forth on the Public Safety policy, and admittedly I haven't read almost any of it so I'm sure valid points are made re: school policy etc., but the idea that that is what a recruit is focused on vs. the basketball opportunity at Marquette vs. somewhere else just seems absurd to me. From an email forwarded to me from a ND friend, looks like ND is concerned York might prefer MUs style of play to that in South Bend.
"Buzz is hilarious. I love that man. It's in Milwaukee too. That can be good and bad but I'm not worried about the weather really. It's just going to be the best position for me to go in and play. Obviously, the Big East is a great, great league. We'll see what happens."
He said this ran on Notre Dame blogs:
INDIANAPOLIS - The recruitment of four-star combo guard Gabe York has started to accelerate.
Notre Dame make York's final four.
Just about a month after publicly naming a top 10 the Orange, Calif., product has trimmed his list down to four contenders after taking a series of unofficial visits. York now has his sights set on making a commitment sooner than later.
"I'm not going to wait until November to commit," York said after his first pool play game at the adidas Invitation on Wednesday. "I'm going to hopefully do it by the end of July or early August just to have my senior year to be with my friends and play with my high school team."
Arizona, Notre Dame, Washington and Marquette received unofficial visits. Now that quartet comprises York's limited list.
York most recently visited Arizona after completing a Midwest swing that included stops at both Notre Dame and Marquette. Washington had received a visit prior to that. The Wildcats have made a strong push with it being close to home and York having friends on campus.
Head coach Sean Miller was among the coaches watching during York's first pool play game.
"There are going to be three guards when I get there," York said. "(Miller) said I'm their No. 1 guard that they want to come there. I take that as a real big honor. If I do end up going there I'm going to work out, I'm going to get right and I'm going to try and get that starting spot."
York commented on both Marquette and Washington.
Marquette: "Buzz is hilarious. I love that man. It's in Milwaukee too. That can be good and bad but I'm not worried about the weather really. It's just going to be the best position for me to go in and play. Obviously, the Big East is a great, great league. We'll see what happens."
Washington: "Everything is just real close. The coaches are great, all of them. I get along with them really well. Lorenzo, he's a great guy. At this point any school I go to I know I'm going to fit very well."
Notre Dame is one potential destination that appears to be trending in a negative direction.
Following the visit York spoke highly of the Irish. Since then some concerns have bubbled up about style of play and how that would fit with how York likes to be utilized.
"It's definitely still a concern," York said. "I still don't understand it fully. It's called the 'burn' offense or something like that. It's just going to have to be what it is if I like that school. I definitely like the coaches."
York allowed some wiggle room to speak with head coach Mike Brey, who attended the first pool play game Wednesday, and perhaps clean up any concerns. Either way, the process will continue to move forward.
"I just think I've seen enough," York said. "This process is great. It's the first time and obviously the only time I've been through it. My brother didn't get to see a lot of it. It's just been a big blessing. But I've seen the four schools I really like and it's just time to make a decision."
I still feel adding another guard for 2012 should be our second priority, unless York is committed to playing point. Cadougan will be a senior and we'll have multiple years left for Blue, Jones, Mayo, and Wilson, while bringing in Taylor and Ferguson. Gabe looks like a great player, but that's a lot of combo guards.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 07, 2011, 04:16:48 PM
I still feel adding another guard for 2012 should be our second priority, unless York is committed to playing point. Cadougan will be a senior and we'll have multiple years left for Blue, Jones, Mayo, and Wilson, while bringing in Taylor and Ferguson. Gabe looks like a great player, but that's a lot of combo guards.
It's been my understanding that Taylor is primarily a point guard, though his size would allow him to play/defend elsewhere as needed. Is that incorrect?
Quote from: Pakuni on July 07, 2011, 04:35:27 PM
It's been my understanding that Taylor is primarily a point guard, though his size would allow him to play/defend elsewhere as needed. Is that incorrect?
I've heard different reports on that. I was also under the impression he was primarily a point, but once he announced Marquette, a number of people indicated he's a 2 who can also play the point. If he's primarily a point it seems we'd have even less immediate need for another guard (as the 1 and 2 would both be pretty well-balanced).
The article from when he committed, listed Taylor at 6'4" 220 lbs. At that size, his future at MU is at 2 guard, not at the point. I'm w/BrewCity. W/Blue, Mayo, Ferguson and Taylor, we have the 2-guard position more than well covered. Where we're not covered is at the 4. That spot has to be our #1 priority in the '12 recruiting class.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 07, 2011, 04:16:48 PM
I still feel adding another guard for 2012 should be our second priority, unless York is committed to playing point. Cadougan will be a senior and we'll have multiple years left for Blue, Jones, Mayo, and Wilson, while bringing in Taylor and Ferguson. Gabe looks like a great player, but that's a lot of combo guards.
Are you serious? You don't turn away talent like Gabe York.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on July 07, 2011, 07:54:19 PM
Are you serious? You don't turn away talent like Gabe York.
Agreed. And I think Taylor will be running the point. I have said this before, but I think Buzz doesn't mind turning 2s into 1s because 2s tend to be better players in high school anyway.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on July 07, 2011, 07:54:19 PM
Are you serious? You don't turn away talent like Gabe York.
If there's a guard, I'd rather have a dedicated point like Kris Dunn who's also blowing up, and has a bigger frame. Maybe it's nitpicking, but we haven't picked up a true point since Cadougan. Even Reggie Smith and Derrick Wilson weren't described completely as point guards. Smith was a scoring speed machine while Wilson was a scoring pile-driver. York may be the perfect replacement for DJO, but who'll replace Caddy a year later? Taylor? Blue? Wilson? Or will we have a turnstile at the point?
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 07, 2011, 05:02:47 PM
I've heard different reports on that. I was also under the impression he was primarily a point, but once he announced Marquette, a number of people indicated he's a 2 who can also play the point. If he's primarily a point it seems we'd have even less immediate need for another guard (as the 1 and 2 would both be pretty well-balanced).
The people who say Taylor will not play point are basing it on his size as they cannot see a 6'4' 225 pound person playing point. Besides that Ferguson and Taylor are only verbals. I be surpised if they both came, if MU got commitments from York and Dunn. Also there is no guarantee that Taylor and Ferguson come to MU, so you need to keep recruiting their positions until they sign.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 07, 2011, 11:04:21 PM
If there's a guard, I'd rather have a dedicated point like Kris Dunn who's also blowing up, and has a bigger frame. Maybe it's nitpicking, but we haven't picked up a true point since Cadougan. Even Reggie Smith and Derrick Wilson weren't described completely as point guards. Smith was a scoring speed machine while Wilson was a scoring pile-driver. York may be the perfect replacement for DJO, but who'll replace Caddy a year later? Taylor? Blue? Wilson? Or will we have a turnstile at the point?
Mind if I mention that we have 2 scholarships available? :)
6'4" is hardly too tall to play point guard.
And I am glad that you mentioned the possibility the possibility of someone not coming who has already verballed. Let's see what happens to a guy like Ferguson, who has been dropping down the rankings, if we get York and a top PG like Dunn to MU.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on July 08, 2011, 08:38:40 AMMind if I mention that we have 2 scholarships available? :)
I know. At least one (if not both) should go for a big man, ideally McGary, but I'd be overjoyed to land Cleare, Poythress, Goodwin, Taylor, or Nolan. I'd really love to see us use both of those scholarships on two people from that list. But if we go for a guard, I'd just prefer a dedicated point guard like Kris Dunn. While York is a fantastic athlete and scorer, I'm not sure he can be the floor general we need. If he can be, and Buzz is convinced of it, then go for him, but it seems like we have a number of guys that have a score-first mentality rather than the provide-first mentality that you like to see in a point guard.
Won't we have a total of 3 scholarships available at the end of this year with Crowder and DJO graduating and with the transfers of Reggie and EWill, which adds upto 4. However, Taylor will be taking up one of them, which becomes 3. Am I missing something?
How many 6'4" 220 lb. point guards are there in the college game? He's a 2 guard.
Quote from: TheFarEastMovement on July 08, 2011, 09:00:52 AMWon't we have a total of 3 scholarships available at the end of this year with Crowder and DJO graduating and with the transfers of Reggie and EWill, which adds upto 4. However, Taylor will be taking up one of them, which becomes 3. Am I missing something?
Jamal Ferguson has also given a verbal commitment.
Quote from: Boone on July 08, 2011, 09:01:26 AM
How many 6'4" 220 lb. point guards are there in the college game? He's a 2 guard.
Thanks Dr. Naismith. ::)
Quote from: TheFarEastMovement on July 08, 2011, 09:00:52 AM
Won't we have a total of 3 scholarships available at the end of this year with Crowder and DJO graduating and with the transfers of Reggie and EWill, which adds upto 4. However, Taylor will be taking up one of them, which becomes 3. Am I missing something?
Jamal Ferguson
You're quite welcome, JWags. Any time.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 07, 2011, 11:04:21 PM
If there's a guard, I'd rather have a dedicated point like Kris Dunn who's also blowing up, and has a bigger frame. Maybe it's nitpicking, but we haven't picked up a true point since Cadougan. Even Reggie Smith and Derrick Wilson weren't described completely as point guards. Smith was a scoring speed machine while Wilson was a scoring pile-driver. York may be the perfect replacement for DJO, but who'll replace Caddy a year later? Taylor? Blue? Wilson? Or will we have a turnstile at the point?
Here this board goes again recruiting against Buzz. I hope York does not read this board and see people saying they do not want him.
Quote from: Boone on July 08, 2011, 09:01:26 AM
How many 6'4" 220 lb. point guards are there in the college game? He's a 2 guard.
Just because he is *tall* doesn't mean he isn't a point guard. Seriously, does the 3" and 20 lbs over Junior make him that much different???
Magic Johnson was 6'8" and he did just fine as a college point guard. It isn't about your size, it is about your mentality and your game.
It's not so much his height as his weight. But again, combining the two, how many college point guards can you cite that go 6'4" 220lbs?
C'mon, you know Magic Johnson was a complete aberration at the point guard position. Plus, he played collegiately over 30 years! When you have to go back that far to find an example...
I hear York scored 46 this morning, including ten 3's. Let's be careful of our criticisms ;D
I think Buzz know what he is doing. You need great shooting to win, after DJO leaves, not sure
what that leaves MU, I do know Cadougan, Blue are not the answer to replace that scoring.
With our team's inability to consistently score from the outside (i.e., Blue, Cadougan), York is a WELCOME addition. Shooters are always needed.
Buzz has emphasized driving and drawing contact but also attracting defensive attention to then kick out to an open shooter. Enter Gabe York. :)
Quote from: Boone on July 08, 2011, 10:06:15 AM
It's not so much his height as his weight. But again, combining the two, how many college point guards can you cite that go 6'4" 220lbs?
Why does it matter what his height or weight is? Why can't a 6'4" player, with the right mentality and game, play the point?
And since you asked:
Iman Schumpert - 6'5", 209lbs
Brad Wannamaker - 6'4", 210
Durand Scott - 6'4", 200
William Buford - 6'5", 200
Shelvin Mack - 6'3", 220
Furthermore, every article I have read on Taylor calls him either a PG or a combo guard. Not once have I seen him called a "shooting guard."
Let's get some perspective here.
So, you guys are sayin' Kelly Minogue can't be a Playboy centerfold 'cus her boobs are too big?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 08, 2011, 10:59:59 AM
Why does it matter what his height or weight is? Why can't a 6'4" player, with the right mentality and game, play the point?
And since you asked:
Iman Schumpert - 6'5", 209lbs
Brad Wannamaker - 6'4", 210
Durand Scott - 6'4", 200
William Buford - 6'5", 200
Shelvin Mack - 6'3", 220
Furthermore, every article I have read on Taylor calls him either a PG or a combo guard. Not once have I seen him called a "shooting guard."
And none of those guys are 6'4" and 220. Boone's point stands.
With the exception of Wanamaker, you're really stretching in declaring all of those guys as point guards.
*With an average of 17 points a game and 3 assists, Shumpert played 2 guard -- not the point.
*Malcolm Grant was the point guard on Miami -- not Durand Scott (who had a terrible A/T ratio).
*Buford's a shooting guard. Craft ran the point for OSU.
*Mack led Butler in assists, but at only 3.4 a game and with a scoring average of 16, he was a combo guard, not a point.
I hope Taylor can play the point for us, but, to repeat, 6'4" 220lb. point guards are few and far between in college.
Not many PGs are 6'4", 200. But there have been some that are have gone on to greater things: Penny, Magic, OJ Mayo, Derrick Rose (okay, he's 6'3")...
DJO is 6'2", 215 and as a SG, he's more of a PG stature. Which is why he was at LeBron's camp working on his ball handling.
If you can play, Buzz will play you.
Rather have a 6'4" 220lbs. point guard than the Pygmy types we usually run out there. Besides, it's a big man's game.
**If Iman Schumpert wasn't Tech's point guard, who was??? He had the ball in his hands most of the time.
**Grant and Scott's statistics are pretty much the same, but I only saw them play once.
**I will concede on Craft since I forgot about his emergence.
**Mack handled the point for Butler pretty much all year. He brought the ball up. Yeah, he is a combo guard, but so is Taylor
They are few and far between, but not unheard of.
Gabe York scored 46 points this morning against Indiana Elite. He's been putting up ridiculous offensive numbers this Spring and Summer...including 50 plus point games.
Those who question do not understand his level of talent.
Just b/c Shumpert had the ball in his hands most of the time doesn't by default make him a point guard. He was their leading scorer and took nearly 100 more shots than the next closest teammate. I'd rather have a distributor running the point and that's not what Shumpert was.
To repeat, I hope Taylor can run the point exclusively, but I'll believe it when I see it.
Quote from: bilsu on July 08, 2011, 09:31:24 AMHere this board goes again recruiting against Buzz. I hope York does not read this board and see people saying they do not want him.
I think that's a bit ridiculous. So no one on a message board should have a preference of players? It would be wrong for me to say "if it came down to Gabe York and Mitch McGary, I'd rather have McGary"?
I'm not the one recruiting York. If Buzz believes that bringing him in will be part of the way forward and that his point guard situation will either be enhanced or won't be degraded by bringing in York, so be it. But when I look at our roster, and especially at our lack of any real freshman bigs right now in either the 2011 or 2012 class, I see a void that needs to be filled by at least one, preferably two players. Forgive me for not tiptoeing through the tulips on every single point and having a willingness to express an opinion. Christ, if one person saying York might not be the right fit is going to end our hopes with him, it's a wonder Mervyn Lindsay didn't commit suicide considering what posters from both Marquette and Kansas had to say about him.
Again, if he fits in Buzz's eyes, I trust that enough and I would especially never begrudge anyone choosing to attend Marquette. I agree that he looks like a great player and could be a solid addition. And I also hope that his skin isn't so thin that some random idiot on a message board will dictate where he goes to school. Any player that does would never make it at Marquette, as I can't think of any player who wasn't the subject of some grief from an online idiot.
York fits. We know he does.
Some people question his size as it pertains to a position. Who cares?
He's a PLAYER. We need PLAYERS especially one who fits a need: outside scoring. He will see minutes his first year because of it. He will have to earn more when he proves he can defensive lock down on someone.
Personally, I want a big. I think we all have been wanting someone to clean the glass and dominate the interior. But, when a kid of York's caliber appears, you have to take him.
We'll have one more scholly available, presuming York takes one, correct? Then use that one for the big.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on July 08, 2011, 01:43:52 PM
We'll have one more scholly available, presuming York takes one, correct? Then use that one for the big.
Assuming that Ferguson (and York) sign their NLIs and Taylor shows up next year...
Quote from: shoothoops on July 08, 2011, 12:03:43 PM
Gabe York scored 46 points this morning against Indiana Elite. He's been putting up ridiculous offensive numbers this Spring and Summer...including 50 plus point games.
Those who question do not understand his level of talent.
I don't think anyone here would question Gabe's talent, but some may question which position he'd play at MU. Think it is pretty clear he'd play some 1 and 2. Would LOVE to have GABE at MU...think he'd get some immediate PT and compete for a starting slot as a freshman. Think Gabe would also develop and grow to his maximize life/basketball potential at MU.