According to Rosiak. He has been mentioned here before. Former Texas Tech commit.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/64250/mervyn-lindsay
Not the most promising write-up. Is he a late-bloomer who re-opened his recruiting?
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on June 10, 2011, 01:27:43 PM
Not the most promising write-up. Is he a late-bloomer who re-opened his recruiting?
Yes. He recently played in a high profile event with a good number of 4-5star guys, and made the all-tournament team. His stock has been escalating a lot in the last 3 months...I wish I could recall the event I'm referencing..will try to research and find link..
Three things to like about this:
1) He's a lefty
2) He's growing
3) He's in a hotbed of hoops
The first two are almost signature Buzz signings. As they say in basketball, it's harder to guard a lefty.
The third one, I am really glad MU is starting to establish a foothold in the West Coast. We clamor about the BE's basketball prowess but for our program to really embody it, we need to recruit quality players coast to coast.
What's a Mervyn? 2-Star Player at most. I hope he proves me wrong. Can't see it. Why can't we raid a big recruit, (power forward) who is a keeper from one of the big time programs?
What exactly do you want us to do Earl? Go around to top level power forwards and ask them to transfer?
You always want players that are improving. In the long run much better than players that peaked in high school.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on June 10, 2011, 01:46:36 PM
What's a Mervyn? 2-Star Player at most. I hope he proves me wrong. Can't see it. Why can't we raid a big recruit, (power forward) who is a keeper from one of the big time programs?
What's a Davante? I think Gardner should teach you to trust Buzz's eye for talent...
All the news on Lindsay lately has him rising quickly and holding his own against top-level guys. I think he could be a late-bloomer. If not, he transfers.
I like that Lamb cat from UCONN.
Quote from: bilsu on June 10, 2011, 02:16:53 PM
You always want players that are improving. In the long run much better than players that peaked in high school.
Couldn't agree more.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 10, 2011, 03:04:48 PM
All the news on Lindsay lately has him rising quickly and holding his own against top-level guys. I think he could be a late-bloomer. If not, he transfers.
Agree 100%. It's the new paradigm in college basketball - shoot for the stars and if it doesn't work out trade down. No harm, no foul.
Quote from: bilsu on June 10, 2011, 02:16:53 PM
You always want players that are improving. In the long run much better than players that peaked in high school.
There is a kid from Madison Memorial that comes to mind.
Quote from: We R Final Four on June 10, 2011, 06:34:18 PM
There is a kid from Madison Memorial that comes to mind.
I am damn glad I don't have your mind!!!! ::)
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 10, 2011, 02:06:19 PM
What exactly do you want us to do Earl? Go around to top level power forwards and ask them to transfer?
Worked for Pearl in Milwaukee.
We sat out pursuing the talent in the Spring. Might as well get something I guess.
There are conflicting reports on Kansas sites as to whether Mervyn has an offer from KU, but he did visit Lawrence last week, so apparently there's some interest. Those reporting that he has a KU offer say his decision will come down to MU or KU and could be made this week.
Anyhow, maybe Bill Self's interest will ease some of the gripes about the kid's star rating.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 12, 2011, 01:16:08 PM
There are conflicting reports on Kansas sites as to whether Mervyn has an offer from KU, but he did visit Lawrence last week, so apparently there's some interest. Those reporting that he has a KU offer say his decision will come down to MU or KU and could be made this week.
Anyhow, maybe Bill Self's interest will ease some of the gripes about the kid's star rating.
Anyone know if Mervyn is tight with Juan Anderson, as Mervyn is from CA...and I'd have to think he and Juan know each other on some level? Also tend to agree that if Kansas feels he's worth bringing in on an official, and offering/close to offering - more than likely the kid has some serious upside/game regardless of what his star ranking is..
Juan is from Castro Valley...northern CA. Mervyn is from Moreno Valley...southern CA.
Not saying they don't but I doubt they have seen each other on the court much.
Does anyone have an update how Lindsay's visit went?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 12, 2011, 02:15:10 PM
Juan is from Castro Valley...northern CA. Mervyn is from Moreno Valley...southern CA.
Not saying they don't but I doubt they have seen each other on the court much.
Dude, they're both from valleys.
Quote from: msbjim on June 14, 2011, 01:26:23 PM
Does anyone have an update how Lindsay's visit went?
No idea, but my guess is that we will be hearing shortly. He apparently visited Kansas just before he came here.
Hate to say it, but we need another wing like a hole in the head.
Quote from: msbjim on June 14, 2011, 02:31:37 PM
Hate to say it, but we need another wing like a hole in the head.
I'll take anyone we are stealing away from the Jayhawks, I'm not buying this no more wing players stuff. This guy is just fine for a late june signing. Let's remember that there are two open spots if we want to add a PG or a project big man later this summer
Quote from: mikem91288 on June 14, 2011, 04:24:56 PM
I'll take anyone we are stealing away from the Jayhawks, I'm not buying this no more wing players stuff. This guy is just fine for a late june signing. Let's remember that there are two open spots if we want to add a PG or a project big man later this summer
So then MU will have no scholarships left for next year, then you have to let a few kids leave, I do not like that
style of recruiting at all, who really does.
In Buzz I trust
Quote from: JMcSteal on June 14, 2011, 11:38:29 PM
In Buzz I trust
Win at all cost, or Buzz I trust, lets see how it plays out. Sometimes you have to think
about the kids. Most of the late recruits TC signed fell by the wayside, I hope we do
not go back to that again.
Quote from: BCHoopster on June 14, 2011, 11:44:25 PM
Win at all cost, or Buzz I trust, lets see how it plays out. Sometimes you have to think
about the kids. Most of the late recruits TC signed fell by the wayside, I hope we do
not go back to that again.
Why?
What's wrong with giving a kid an opportunity to play BE ball at MU and get an education? Once on the team everyone wants him to succeed. If it does not, then move to a place that is better fit.
I'm all for opportunities. If you're not getting transfers, your not giving opportunities.
Need I remind you that UNC, UCLA, Duke, Kentucky et. al all have more transfers that MU. They are all about giving someone a chance. We should do the same.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on June 15, 2011, 01:32:33 AM
Why?
What's wrong with giving a kid an opportunity to play BE ball at MU and get an education? Once on the team everyone wants him to succeed. If it does not, then move to a place that is better fit.
I'm all for opportunities. If you're not getting transfers, your not giving opportunities.
Need I remind you that UNC, UCLA, Duke, Kentucky et. al all have more transfers that MU. They are all about giving someone a chance. We should do the same.
+1
At work I take a chance hiring guys that are a stretch for a position. Sometimes they work out brilliantly, and other times they crash and burn. No matter what they're thankful for the opportunity to "play up a level." It's not like they're unaware when they're crashing and burning that they're not long for the company. Should I keep them on just because they have a family? No. Everyone else has a family too. We're not running a charity. We gave the guy./girl a fair shot, but when it's time to move on, it's time to move on.
Agree in giving people chances. However, it is important to recruit talented people for positions that you need. Marquette needs more talented "bigs" to compete in the BE. We do not have a "big" recruit for this year or next year. To strengthen our team Buzz needs to recruit at least one 6'8"+ for this year and one for next.
Everyone knows we need size but we have two scholies available. No reason not to use one on an up and comer like lindsay.
So lets say York and Taylor and another big want to come to MU, then what do you do? Revolving
door anyone? The idea is to have 4 year kids, or MU will have there own one and done. I just do not
see where Lindsay fits?
The kid is 6-7 and still growing; how do you not see where he fits?
Quote from: saucy1_23 on June 15, 2011, 09:15:23 AM
The kid is 6-7 and still growing; how do you not see where he fits?
You have Juan Anderson at the same size, you got Jamil Jones, looks awful skinny and you need
somebody to take over for Crowder in a year, I would rather get 2 bigger body kids. Vander can
play some 3 as well as Wilson, again where does he fit?
Good discussion for a change. We all want the best for MU. It's great to have great athletes. But, it's even better to have great "big" athletes. The BE is a really tough league and we simply need talented "bigs" to compete at the top level.
Quote from: msbjim on June 15, 2011, 09:35:24 AM
Good discussion for a change. We all want the best for MU. It's great to have great athletes. But, it's even better to have great "big" athletes. The BE is a really tough league and we simply need talented "bigs" to compete at the top level.
I am in total agreement, unless the kid came in and really turned some heads, otherwise there could be a logjam
next year if you really want York, then for sure you need the tenders. I am not against overrecruiting kids, but
still play within the 13 player limit.
I don't think many coaches build their team the way you are suggesting. I don't think they say "Wow, if we offer player A a scholie, what are we going to do if players X,Y and Z want to all come here??"
I think most try to build a team as strong as they can year in and year out, and if they have a problem with over-offering, they deal with it when the time comes.
Quote from: msbjim on June 15, 2011, 09:35:24 AM
Good discussion for a change. We all want the best for MU. It's great to have great athletes. But, it's even better to have great "big" athletes. The BE is a really tough league and we simply need talented "bigs" to compete at the top level.
I truly don't know what is still available but I am of the mindset that, given the make-up of next year's roster (from a size and position perspective), if Buzz & Co is looking to add another piece to the '11 puzzle this would be a perfect opportunity to take a flyer on a project big (again, assuming there is one even available). We're stacked on the wings and it's safe assumption that O'tule and Gardner will have the lions share of the minutes available at the 5 this season, why not bring in a big body to compete every day in practice, bulk up, work with the coaches and see if we can't develop a serviceable post player?
I think that'd be a better use of a scholarship than another guy that'll contribute to a logjam...but that said, if we do bring in Lindsay, obviously it'll be based on a decision from far-more-informed individuals than anyone of us...gonna be interesting to see how it plays out.
Ditto!
Why do people keep saying their is a "logjam?"
Last year, we had two posts, two points (including combo guard Buycks), and eight switchables.
If Lindsay signs, we will have two posts, two points (including combo guard Wilson), and eight switchables.
In 2012-13, we are slated to have two posts, three points (including combos Wilson and Taylor), and seven switchables...and one scholarship left.
There isn't a "logjam" anywhere. This is how Buzz builds his team.
I'm sure there is a quality big out there asking to come to MU for 2011, and Buzz is telling him no... :P Let's get real folks. Obviously, there isn't. Bizz could appease a lot of people by just signing some big guy who can't play at the BE level. Many would be happy just to see some 6'10" 250 pound guy sign, even if Buzz thinks he will never, ever play. I for one am glad that Buzz doesn't waste a ride on a stiff just because he is big. It isn't like Buzz doesn't understand that we need a quality big, even a project who he believes will be a quality big.
Should we take a big for 2011 who is not a BE players who will ride the end of the bench? Of course not.
Given that we are short of players for 2011, if there is a wing type of player who could also play the 4 in a few years, you take him if he is BE quality. We'll have 3 or 4 guys who could be capable of playing the 3/4.
If we get a big for 2012, great. I think we will for 2012, but there just isn't much out there that we know of for 2011. If we don't get a big for 2011 or 2012, at least we have some guys who can slide over to the 4.
I'd rather have good players on the court, even if we are undersized at the 4 (weight wise, not height, as we'll have enough guys in the 6'7" / 6'8" range), then a stiff big who doesn't see any time. If there are no decent bigs lined up for 2011, and we can get a quality player who is a wing with height, let's take him. We can play with a Center, a Point, and 3 Wings. We will still be way bigger than we have become used to as our wings and point are now taller. They key is to have good players on the floor, not just big guys.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 15, 2011, 10:13:09 AM
I don't think many coaches build their team the way you are suggesting. I don't think they say "Wow, if we offer player A a scholie, what are we going to do if players X,Y and Z want to all come here??"
I think most try to build a team as strong as they can year in and year out, and if they have a problem with over-offering, they deal with it when the time comes.
Agreed.
I don't think you pass on a talented player who wants to come to MU because you hope, 5-6 months later, another
possibly more talented player
might want to come to Marquette. The problem with that thinking is that you could easily end up with neither player.
The saying about a bird in the hand holds true here.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 15, 2011, 10:13:09 AM
I don't think many coaches build their team the way you are suggesting. I don't think they say "Wow, if we offer player A a scholie, what are we going to do if players X,Y and Z want to all come here??"
I think most try to build a team as strong as they can year in and year out, and if they have a problem with over-offering, they deal with it when the time comes.
Thus why coaches get paid the big bucks. Recruiting is such a crap shoot if u are not Duke, Kentucky, or North Carolina. You may think you have a kid like York in the fold, bit then he changes his mind..MU is not at the point where it can wet count on landing the recruits it wants. If Buzz and staff really like a kid who is willing to commit, you take te commitment as there is no guarantee you get the York or Poythress etc. It then comes down to player development and if as a coach u are confident in a kids work ethic ad your ability as a coach to develop talent (so long a the kid has good enough potential), you move forward. Transfers will happen. Kids use schools as training grounds to get to the NBA and if they don't like their development, they leave.
All this said, yes, it would be a better fit current roster complexion to get a project big...but who is that kid and so u really want to take on an Mbao type of player..when u could have had a kid that could possibly be better than one of your current wing players?
Ners, that's a good point. Mbao was a "project big" signed late in the year. How did that work out??? He'd STILL be riding the bench here if he stuck around.
Sadly, I have to admit that I liked Mbao and thought that he had a future. Maybe 3 years off, but he was a big who could really move. Guess, I was way off. The way things went down, I had the impression that he may not have been the hardest worker, but I have no inside info.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 15, 2011, 10:38:11 AM
Why do people keep saying their is a "logjam?"
Last year, we had two posts, two points (including combo guard Buycks), and eight switchables.
If Lindsay signs, we will have two posts, two points (including combo guard Wilson), and eight switchables.
In 2012-13, we are slated to have two posts, three points (including combos Wilson and Taylor), and seven switchables...and one scholarship left.
There isn't a "logjam" anywhere. This is how Buzz builds his team.
+1
For too often fans confuse having depth with having a logjam. The bottom line is, if you're good enough, you'll see the floor.
Was Lazar blocked by Wes for 3 years? No. Was Jimmy then blocked by Lazar for 2 years? No. All those guys were traditional 3s but they got PT because they had the ability and because Buzz doesn't necessarily label his players 1-5. He doesn't look to bring in X number of 1s, 2s, etc. He wants basketball players who are long, athletic and versatile.
The problem with all these switchables is they always play up a spot. IE Vander played more 3 then 2, Butler played 3-4 when he is probably a 2-3 Crowder played a 4-5 when he is 3-4.
When you are undersized at nearly every spot on the floor compared to the top 1/2 of the Big East, you don't get many easy shots and you give up lots more O Reb and easy put backs.
Small lineups need to have low turnovers and shoot the ball from the outside at a solid rate to have a chance at winning. Big Lineups the margin for error is much greater.
In Retrospect would should have pulled the trigger on Martin in the fall, I don't blame Buzz for waiting he did not know EW was leaving and did not get a chance to see him Play.
That said Wilson is taller then Butler, and Gardner and Otule will play more minutes so we will be slighlty bigger next year.
kmw, I understand what you are saying.
But I would rather be undersized with talent than have size that isn't BE capable. (Of course, I would rather have talented bigs. Buzz does too.)
Quote from: GOO on June 15, 2011, 10:49:13 AM
Sadly, I have to admit that I liked Mbao and thought that he had a future. Maybe 3 years off, but he was a big who could really move. Guess, I was way off. The way things went down, I had the impression that he may not have been the hardest worker, but I have no inside info.
+1
I always looked forward to him playing. As I always said he was the best looking worst player I had ever seen. You watch him run up the floor once with that size and think this guy is really good. Then you watched him play and he simply was not strong enough.
Quote from: bilsu on June 15, 2011, 11:47:41 AM
You watch him run up the floor once with that size and think this guy is really good.
This is likely why we signed him.
Quote from: bilsu on June 15, 2011, 11:47:41 AM
Then you watched him play and he simply was not strong enough.
This is likely why he left.
By all accounts, 2012 is they year of multiple high quality bigs....and they are being pursued by every top ten program...hopefully one will see the immediate playing time that MU will have for them.
It's still hard to compete when UNC, Duke, UConn and other perennial powers are in the mix for bigs so the sheer number out there in 2012 hopefully will help us land one.
I was in the corner of taking a transfer like Earnest Ross who would be sitting out anyway, so as long as you have Jake Thomas and David Singleton along with 11 players scholarship, I'd just assume Buzz bank 2 scholarships for the 2012 class where he can try to land a player like Steve Taylor and 4/5. Nothing against Mervyn Lindsay and if he comes, he comes, but my preference would be to hold the scholarship(s).
There should be a known mantra of NEVER EVER bank a scolarship to anyone who reads and posts on these boards.
The way I look at I see two senarios.
Buzz thinks there is a good chance that over four years he will become a solid player. Then I think we should sign him
Buzz thinks he is worth the gamble and will move him out after one year if he is not panning out. If that is the case, then he should pass on him. We should only recruit players we expect to stay. I am not sure Buzz actually moves players out, but I hate it when players transfer.
Quote from: bilsu on June 15, 2011, 02:35:33 PM
The way I look at I see two senarios.
Buzz thinks there is a good chance that over four years he will become a solid player. Then I think we should sign him
Buzz thinks he is worth the gamble and will move him out after one year if he is not panning out. If that is the case, then he should pass on him. We should only recruit players we expect to stay. I am not sure Buzz actually moves players out, but I hate it when players transfer.
Players want to play. All 13 can't. The stigma once attached to transferring (for both player and school) is gone. Old timers like us may not like it, but transfers are now a significant part of the landscape.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 15, 2011, 03:11:45 PM
Players want to play. All 13 can't. The stigma once attached to transferring (for both player and school) is gone. Old timers like us may not like it, but transfers are now a significant part of the landscape.
Correct.
After the 2009-10 season, 367 D-I players transferred. There were 347 teams that year.
Good story from a few months back looking at the transfer issue:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2011-03-06-college-basketball-transfers_N.htm
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 15, 2011, 03:11:45 PM
Players want to play. All 13 can't. The stigma once attached to transferring (for both player and school) is gone. Old timers like us may not like it, but transfers are now a significant part of the landscape.
I understand that. If a player wants to transfer that is okay. I do not like the perception that Buzz runs players off. I am okay with any player Buzz recruits, if Buzz actually plans on keeping the player the whole time. Several posters have indicated that the recruit will move out after one year, if he is not working out. A player may leave, but barring a major screw up, the coach should be expecting him to stay the full four years.
I like how Duke and Syracuse recruit, you have 10 or 11 kids on the team and thats
it. 13 kids can not play, so in saying that, I would take a big project once in awhile.
A four year kid much like Bo Ryan does.
Quote from: BCHoopster on June 15, 2011, 03:28:45 PM
I like how Duke and Syracuse recruit, you have 10 or 11 kids on the team and thats
it. 13 kids can not play, so in saying that, I would take a big project once in awhile.
A four year kid much like Bo Ryan does.
+1
Quote from: BCHoopster on June 15, 2011, 03:28:45 PM
I like how Duke and Syracuse recruit, you have 10 or 11 kids on the team and thats
it. 13 kids can not play, so in saying that, I would take a big project once in awhile.
A four year kid much like Bo Ryan does.
In Duke's case look at the minutes the top three or four generally play...anywhere from 35 + and often in the 38+ range....his teams get worn out as the season progresses. Had it not been for a VERY weak field and unbelievably favorable seeding in 2010, they would have flamed out in the first or second round as they have so often in the last few years. His post players are there to set picks for his guards who live and die with the three.
The very short bench that K uses allows for less players on the overall roster yet they have a fairly significant number of transfers as a result of it as well.
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on June 15, 2011, 04:08:38 PM
In Duke's case look at the minutes the top three or four generally play...anywhere from 35 + and often in the 38+ range....his teams get worn out as the season progresses. Had it not been for a VERY weak field and unbelievably favorable seeding in 2010, they would have flamed out in the first or second round as they have so often in the last few years. His post players are there to set picks for his guards who live and die with the three.
The very short bench that K uses allows for less players on the overall roster yet they have a fairly significant number of transfers as a result of it as well.
Where are you coming up with this? I'm not sure where to start here. Duke has made the sweet sixteen 12 times in the last 15 years, so I wouldn't say they've flamed out in the opening weekend "so often." The one year they lost in the first round was '06-'07 when they just weren't very good and went 8-8 in the ACC and were a 6 seed. In '07-'08 they lost in the second round despite having one of Coach K's deepest teams, with 10 players averaging at least 8 minutes and no player averaging over 31. Further, in the last 10 years, only six Duke players have averaged over 35 minutes in a season - Duhon, Redick, McRoberts, Singler, Scheyer and N. Smith. No one has averaged 38 over a full season and only once during that period did more than one player on a team average more than 35 minutes - that was in '09-'10 when Singler, Scheyer and N. Smith all did it and they won the National Championship. Way off, bro.
Quote from: Jacks DC on June 15, 2011, 10:35:05 PM
Where are you coming up with this? I'm not sure where to start here. Duke has made the sweet sixteen 12 times in the last 15 years, so I wouldn't say they've flamed out in the opening weekend "so often." The one year they lost in the first round was '06-'07 when they just weren't very good and went 8-8 in the ACC and were a 6 seed. In '07-'08 they lost in the second round despite having one of Coach K's deepest teams, with 10 players averaging at least 8 minutes and no player averaging over 31. Further, in the last 10 years, only six Duke players have averaged over 35 minutes in a season - Duhon, Redick, McRoberts, Singler, Scheyer and N. Smith. No one has averaged 38 over a full season and only once during that period did more than one player on a team average more than 35 minutes - that was in '09-'10 when Singler, Scheyer and N. Smith all did it and they won the National Championship. Way off, bro.
I did not bother to look at the actual statistics, but I can read what he said. He did not say they averaged 35 or 38 minutes. He said they oftern played 35 to 38 minutes a game.
Quote from: BCHoopster on June 15, 2011, 03:28:45 PM
I like how Duke and Syracuse recruit, you have 10 or 11 kids on the team and thats
it. 13 kids can not play, so in saying that, I would take a big project once in awhile.
A four year kid much like Bo Ryan does.
I think that is a little easier to do when your 10 or 11 are McD all americans. With the possible exception of Vander none of the Buzz recruits could be called can't miss prospects. Everybody is high on Juan right now but who knows. Maybe he just never makes the transition to Big E basketball and Lindsay ends up playing like Jimmy Butler. Two years from now Juan is the one transfering and Lindsay is your main stay. I say fill the roster and as long as you give a guy a chance to earn PT from what they do in practice everyone should be able to live with that.
Time is running out for 2011 high school graduates committing as Marquette's second summer session starts in just over two, so if we don't hear anything within the next 4 or 5 days, I think the only addition(s) would be a graduate transfer like the player from Vanderbilt or a transfer who has to sit out the year.
With Singleton, Marquette has 12 players and with Jake Thomas sitting out, they would have 13 to practice with who are D1 level players and with 12 players, 6 frontcourt and 6 backcourt eligible to play next year, I wouldn't take another player just to take another player. Bank the two scholarships where you can try to land a player like Steve Taylor as a 4/3 and recruit another 4/5 with the other scholarship in a stronger 2012 class.
Quote from: TedBaxter on June 17, 2011, 01:41:59 PM
Time is running out for 2011 high school graduates committing as Marquette's second summer session starts in just over two, so if we don't hear anything within the next 4 or 5 days, I think the only addition(s) would be a graduate transfer like the player from Vanderbilt or a transfer who has to sit out the year.
With Singleton, Marquette has 12 players and with Jake Thomas sitting out, they would have 13 to practice with who are D1 level players and with 12 players, 6 frontcourt and 6 backcourt eligible to play next year, I wouldn't take another player just to take another player. Bank the two scholarships where you can try to land a player like Steve Taylor as a 4/3 and recruit another 4/5 with the other scholarship in a stronger 2012 class.
And the calculation goes down by one. As of this moment, we have 12 for practice. That's not enough. Sure don't want that 4 on 4 scenario we faced in 2009-10. At some point one needs to ink at least one kid.
Quote from: MU_Iceman on June 15, 2011, 10:22:05 AM
I truly don't know what is still available but I am of the mindset that, given the make-up of next year's roster (from a size and position perspective), if Buzz & Co is looking to add another piece to the '11 puzzle this would be a perfect opportunity to take a flyer on a project big (again, assuming there is one even available). We're stacked on the wings and it's safe assumption that O'tule and Gardner will have the lions share of the minutes available at the 5 this season, why not bring in a big body to compete every day in practice, bulk up, work with the coaches and see if we can't develop a serviceable post player?
I think that'd be a better use of a scholarship than another guy that'll contribute to a logjam...but that said, if we do bring in Lindsay, obviously it'll be based on a decision from far-more-informed individuals than anyone of us...gonna be interesting to see how it plays out.
As I think about it further post David, I now think I'm in the 'Best Available' camp. Maybe not a PG but that requires a bit more thought. Be open to a quailty kid be it 2-3 year JUCO, a sit-out D1 transfer, or even a late Frosh at the 2-5 position. I'm convinced we need another, even if only for work in the AL.
Another player that hasn't commited, and I am wondering if it is an academics issue, is Chris Bryant from Florida.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 18, 2011, 11:54:40 AM
Another player that hasn't commited, and I am wondering if it is an academics issue, is Chris Bryant from Florida.
He's going to attend Fishburne Military Academy
Ah OK...thanks Young...hadn't heard.
I understand the counter arguments, but I still don't ever see how it can help a team to deliberately not use every scholarship available to take a shot.
Unless I've been misunderstanding the story, Buzz filled a spot with a ZERO star player out of junior college who he had never seen play for no other reason than Joe Fulce asked him too and he had nothing else to do with the scholarship. He could have banked that one, but instead we got Jimmy Butler.
You just never know. Take a shot, give the player a shot to prove he is being underestimated, and if he has to transfer he can move down to a Boston University or somewhere else with a year under his belt against top flight D1 players.
Sure, I'd love to have Buzz tell a guy he is going to really have to go out and prove he belongs at the MArquette level, but all these kids and coaches now know these are only one year commitments, so I say take the best shot you can and sign him in the end.
Quote from: bamamarquettefan on June 19, 2011, 12:28:26 AM
I understand the counter arguments, but I still don't ever see how it can help a team to deliberately not use every scholarship available to take a shot.
Unless I've been misunderstanding the story, Buzz filled a spot with a ZERO star player out of junior college who he had never seen play for no other reason than Joe Fulce asked him too and he had nothing else to do with the scholarship. He could have banked that one, but instead we got Jimmy Butler.
You just never know. Take a shot, give the player a shot to prove he is being underestimated, and if he has to transfer he can move down to a Boston University or somewhere else with a year under his belt against top flight D1 players.
Sure, I'd love to have Buzz tell a guy he is going to really have to go out and prove he belongs at the MArquette level, but all these kids and coaches now know these are only one year commitments, so I say take the best shot you can and sign him in the end.
Scott Monarch was the assistant coach at Tyler, so I think the idea that Buzz had no clue on Butler is wayyyyyyy overstated. Jimmy had over 40 points in Tyler's playoff loss and the game was on an internet feed that was archived and I'm 99.99% sure Buzz saw what he was getting.
Quote from: bamamarquettefan on June 19, 2011, 12:28:26 AM
I understand the counter arguments, but I still don't ever see how it can help a team to deliberately not use every scholarship available to take a shot.
Unless I've been misunderstanding the story, Buzz filled a spot with a ZERO star player out of junior college who he had never seen play for no other reason than Joe Fulce asked him too and he had nothing else to do with the scholarship. He could have banked that one, but instead we got Jimmy Butler.
You just never know. Take a shot, give the player a shot to prove he is being underestimated, and if he has to transfer he can move down to a Boston University or somewhere else with a year under his belt against top flight D1 players.
Sure, I'd love to have Buzz tell a guy he is going to really have to go out and prove he belongs at the MArquette level, but all these kids and coaches now know these are only one year commitments, so I say take the best shot you can and sign him in the end.
To bank or not to bank? That is the question. Catch 22. Some here get all up in arms over the transfer rate. The reality is that if Buzz has to tell a kid - hey, I think you will struggle at mu, but I'll give you a 1-year shot - that kid's contribution to the program/practice, and definitely game impact is likely to be ZERO. Buzz has said he is starting to reap 'compound interest' on the recruiting trail. 2012 is a deep class. mu is in on a lot of good talent. Buzz now has a Sweet 16 to sell, and his loyalty to MU. It is only goinhg to get easier for Buzz on the recruiting trail, and he will land some of the top 100 kids he is in on for 2012. Why take a flier at this point. 12 guys plus Jake Thomas is plenty to do everything you want to do in practice...
Ners,
Am I missing somebody? Isn't it 11 before Jake? I really don't think you head into October with 12 kids doing Boot Camp. 11 eligible to play, fine. But you need more for practice in my opinion.
Quote from: jsglow on June 19, 2011, 10:58:37 AM
Ners,
Am I missing somebody? Isn't it 11 before Jake? I really don't think you head into October with 12 kids doing Boot Camp. 11 eligible to play, fine. But you need more for practice in my opinion.
Hold an on-campus tryout for a walk-on.
Where do people think we don't have enough bodies to practice? C'mon...if Buzz thinks we need another, just get another walk-on.
Some people here will find anything to worry about.
Quote from: TedBaxter on June 19, 2011, 05:06:29 AM
Scott Monarch was the assistant coach at Tyler, so I think the idea that Buzz had no clue on Butler is wayyyyyyy overstated. Jimmy had over 40 points in Tyler's playoff loss and the game was on an internet feed that was archived and I'm 99.99% sure Buzz saw what he was getting.
That's a valid point then. I doubt he completely realized what he was getting, but granted based on your email he may have at least realized he had a huge potential upside. Let me amend my comment then to say that I believe it's better to either take a longshot with someone, or trust that Buzz has pulled a Jimmy Butler out of the hat rather than just banking it.
Well, Buzz looks like he is going to be banking at least one this year. I would be extremely surprised if he used both of them by this point. Last year, the Wilson transfer was announced in June. When is the last time we have signed a new freshman this late?
According to Twitter:
Merv Lindsay to pick a school on Wed.
We shall soon see if we have one open schollie or two. I, for one, am hoping he takes one.
I hope he picks Kansas!
If Bill Self thinks he's good enough to play for Kansas, isn't that a pretty solid indicator that he's good enough to at least get a shot at Marquette?
we are loaded at his position, we need some meat for the Big Easy!
I have neveer seen Lindsay play. However, he is a guard who keeps getting taller. Kind of reminds me of Jon Leuer. We could use a big guy with guard skills. I think he is worth a shot and hope we sign him.
Quote from: bilsu on June 20, 2011, 07:19:37 PM
I have neveer seen Lindsay play. However, he is a guard who keeps getting taller. Kind of reminds me of Jon Leuer. We could use a big guy with guard skills. I think he is worth a shot and hope we sign him.
Not sure if Marquette has offered him or not to this point.
Quote from: TedBaxter on June 20, 2011, 07:33:45 PM
Not sure if Marquette has offered him or not to this point.
Think he'd still take an official with us without us offering? I don't follow recruiting very closely, so I don't know how frequently that happens.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on June 20, 2011, 07:40:53 PM
Think he'd still take an official with us without us offering? I don't follow recruiting very closely, so I don't know how frequently that happens.
Last year we had David Hahn visit and we never offered him.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 19, 2011, 08:37:06 PM
Where do people think we don't have enough bodies to practice? C'mon...if Buzz thinks we need another, just get another walk-on.
Some people here will find anything to worry about.
12 healthy D1 bodies are enough. 11 is playing with fire. I don't consider a walk-on as a D1. Kids do get hurt. I take us back 24 months. We were limited in practice all year with JC and Otule hurt and Maymon heading out the door around 12/1.
My bottom line, ink one; bank one unless you KNOW 2 studs are on the way from the 2012 class. Only then would I consider taking a chance.
You need a power forward to take Crowders position, so whoever that is will probably start, would not surprise me
if a JC kid gets that. Now you have Kris Dunn or Gabe York, might get one of those. I hate after a year (if they
all want to comeback) have to tell a kid, sorry you were one and done. If that is how you want to treat young
adults, then go ahead and sign 2 more kids. I am still old fashion and want kids for 4 years, not one.
If he is 6'7" and still growing with an outside shot, who says he can't become a Lazar Hayward or Jon Leuer? He might not, but he might. I'll defer to Buzz and Bill Self on that one?
Leuer was never a banger and Lazar was 6'5" in shoes. However, those 2 guys played the 4 pretty effectively in college. Not everyone fits into a pre-defined role, especially for Buzz.
If he can rebound, guard, dribble and shoot from distance he can get playing time in our system. We already know he is a long, lanky switchable with an outside shot.
Anyone know what time he'll announce?
Quote from: esotericmindguy on June 22, 2011, 08:02:03 AM
Anyone know what time he'll announce?
Or if we even offered?
According to his Twitter account, his flight from Florida to CA has been delayed and he was tweeting Tyshawn Taylor back and forth about it.
Read into it what you will.
Swervyn' Mervyn Just committed to KU.
It will be interesting to follow his career there. Certainly a lot of posters did not want him here.
Quote from: bilsu on June 22, 2011, 05:40:21 PM
It will be interesting to follow his career there. Certainly a lot of posters did not want him here.
And many more did not want him at KU.