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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: goyotes on May 10, 2011, 10:07:47 AM
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From the Sioux Falls Argus Leader
"Starting guard Jake Thomas has left the University of South Dakota basketball team, Coyotes coach Dave Boots confirmed Monday. Thomas, a 6-foot-3 shooting guard who averaged 13.6 points a game last season as a sophomore, started 52 games in his two years with the Coyotes, leading the team in 3-pointers made and attempted both seasons. The Racine, Wis., native native did not return phone messages Monday, and USD coaches said they did not know where he'd play next. "He made it known to us that he had an interest in playing closer to home," Boots said. "It was hard on him and his family being that far away from home the last two years. We're grateful that we had the opportunity to work with Jake for two years, and we wish him the best." Thomas, who earned a reputation for knocking down many of his 3-pointers from well beyond the arc, broke his own single-game record when he hit 10 treys in a win over Chicago State last season."
The above had been rumored for the past few weeks and is now confirmed. The destination most mentioned as part of the rumor was Marquette - likely as a walkon.
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The above had been rumored for the past few weeks and is now confirmed. The destination most mentioned as part of the rumor was Marquette - likely as a walkon.
Interesting. I can't remember MU having more than 1 walkon. It takes 2 guys to fill Frozena's shoes!
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Interesting. I can't remember MU having more than 1 walkon. It takes 2 guys to fill Frozena's shoes!
I believe Brice and Frozena were on the team at the same time for one year.
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He would certainly be a helluva walk-on.......BUT I wonder how much of the rumor is based on MU being the only well known school in SE WI. A scholarship at UWM makes a lot more sense.
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Went to high school with Jake at Racine St. Catherine's (same H.S. as Jim McIlvaine).
He could shoot the lights out back then, and showed he could shoot when he played us early this season.
He would be a great walk on for us.
As far as the UWM thing goes, that could be a possibilty as well. Two guys from his high school team play on Jeter's team over there.
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Interesting. I can't remember MU having more than 1 walkon. It takes 2 guys to fill Frozena's shoes!
Tommy Brice and Craig Kuphall were both on the team in 06-07. And we had 4 in 04-05- John Willkom, Rob Hanley, Shane Grube, and Chris Teff.
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/2004
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Didn't we have two last year - Rob and Dave?
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A "traditional" shooter from the state of Wisconsin?! If he comes to MU, it would be the greatest moment of Chicos' life!
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I heard this rumor from people at the Racine paper that he called them a week ago about him transferring to MU. I don't know his family too well, but they did send their children to a Catholic high school that charges $8K per year. Wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility of them paying for a Jesuit school if he didn't have any interest in UWM, liked MU, and wanted to play for a major program. Would be a great walk-on, but not sure if he is a scholarship type player.
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Went to high school with Jake at Racine St. Catherine's (same H.S. as Jim McIlvaine).
He could shoot the lights out back then, and showed he could shoot when he played us early this season.
He would be a great walk on for us.
As far as the UWM thing goes, that could be a possibilty as well. Two guys from his high school team play on Jeter's team over there.
Honestly, I want MU's walkons to be guys who can play tough D, and can run other team's offenses well... guys who can shoot need not apply.
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If a former D1 scholarship player wants to walk-on here I'm all for it, no matter what his skillset is. Its not too often that that happens (atleast here) and it just adds even more quality to the roster.
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If a former D1 scholarship player wants to walk-on here I'm all for it, no matter what his skillset is. Its not too often that that happens (atleast here) and it just adds even more quality to the roster.
What Hards is trying to say, that the primarily role of a walk-on is a practice player.
Thus a 6'3" shooting guard is not the ideal. And to Hards comment, +1.
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Shooting threes is a good thing that we need.
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If a former D1 scholarship player wants to walk-on here I'm all for it, no matter what his skillset is. Its not too often that that happens (atleast here) and it just adds even more quality to the roster.
reinko got my point. The thing about walkons is that they don't play in games. Whether or not they hit their shots in practice is inconsequential.
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our competition shoots treys so there is a value in him participating on scout team and contributing as a player.
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our competition shoots treys so there is a value in him participating on scout team and contributing as a player.
Oh my God. Who cares what someones shooting % is in practice. It's about actually creating an open look in practice. You could have Steve Novak or Oliver Miller out there shooting 3's in practice, doesn't matter. Neither will create their own shot.
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQUX7E-IzUCvlDG0Zep4uOMo3ZBJYqa6ph2I_-6VADve4u-kAH6Fg)
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UW's two senior walkons actually hit some key threes this year. I be happy with him walking on, whether he fills a need or not. Besides that it takes pressure off Buzz to use a scholarship now just to make sure he has enough practice players. That alone should make the save the scholarship posters happy.
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Oh my God. Who cares what someones shooting % is in practice. It's about actually creating an open look in practice. You could have Steve Novak or Oliver Miller out there shooting 3's in practice, doesn't matter. Neither will create their own shot.
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQUX7E-IzUCvlDG0Zep4uOMo3ZBJYqa6ph2I_-6VADve4u-kAH6Fg)
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Any of us could run around on the scout team pretending to be Kemba Walker and every time we get an open look, it counts as a make regardless of how ugly our shots are.
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UW's two senior walkons actually hit some key threes this year. I be happy with him walking on, whether he fills a need or not. Besides that it takes pressure off Buzz to use a scholarship now just to make sure he has enough practice players. That alone should make the save the scholarship posters happy.
They went to the walk-ons out of desperation more than anything. UW had no depth at the number two after Gasser since Rob Wilson has apparently become a head-case.
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Any of us could run around on the scout team pretending to be Kemba Walker and every time we get an open look, it counts as a make regardless of how ugly our shots are.
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You are assuming that just because he is a walk-on, he automatically has no chance of playing in a game. The kid can shoot (ten threes in one game) and that certainly could be utilized in an actual game situation such as being down 3 with seconds on the clock at the end of a game.
I will take that over a Frozena type any day.
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You are assuming that just because he is a walk-on, he automatically has no chance of playing in a game. The kid can shoot (ten threes in one game) and that certainly could be utilized in an actual game situation such as being down 3 with seconds on the clock at the end of a game.
I will take that over a Frozena type any day.
No, I'm not. I'm saying that, in general terms, it doesn't matter how good of a shooter a player is when he's on the scout team.
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Reinko, use your imagination a team use's alot of screens and their 3 pt shooter hits treys using the screens. Well now in practice u can simulate their offense and have someone who can hit treys. Very valuable for scout teams and for game situations. He is more then a walkon as he can contribute.
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I will take that over a Frozena type any day.
You'd rather have a random guy, instead of a 4.0 student that our entire team loves and picks up opposing offenses+defenses incredibly quickly? Great choice, pal ;)
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Are some of these 30 footers and yes, I'm serious?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3wcnX4nqYA
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Why people need to make comments about Rob is frustrating, Rob was a very good HS player, added value to the MU program and the team. Jake is definitely a sniper when u look at his trey shooting and could help be a zone buster in addition to adding strength to the roster. If he attends MU I think people will be surprised at what Dave and Jake bring to the party.
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Are some of these 30 footers and yes, I'm serious?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3wcnX4nqYA
Talk about not having a conscience... jeebus!
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Talk about not having a conscience... jeebus!
Nice form and actually made moves to get open and shoot. Now of course these are videos of the made shots, not the misses, but some were in Jimmer land.
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Damn some of those are super deep...I have absolutely no issues with this. In fact I am pretty excited. Kid has deep range.
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Like we don't need better shootas, aina?
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Any chance we give him a schollie?
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To say a kid like this wouldn't add value to MU is crazy. If you can get a D-1 level player (I don't care if he balls at low to mid-major school) to walk-on?? No downside whatsoever. Guarantee a guy like Thomas and Dave Singleton rachet up the Scout team and competitve nature in practice A LOT more than a Rob Frozena (God love him), or Tommy Brice.
A guy like Thomas can be a HUGE role player at MU - talk about a guy who can space the floor and create driving angles for our slashers?? Novak was huge for the Big 3 (and also benefited greatly from their athleticism)- A LOT of synergy between switchable athletic slashers, and a great shooter like Jake Thomas.
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If you don't want Jake, send him back. We would sure take him. If he does end up at Marquette and ends up contributing to the Golden Eagles I only think it is fair for you to offer USD a player in return - we could really use another big guy.
In all seriousness, I am not the good of judge of talent, but from what I have heard from my son, who is a student at USD, Jake is a good kid.
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If you don't want Jake, send him back. We would sure take him. If he does end up at Marquette and ends up contributing to the Golden Eagles I only think it is fair for you to offer USD a player in return - we could really use another big guy.
In all seriousness, I am not the good of judge of talent, but from what I have heard from my son, who is a student at USD, Jake is a good kid.
Think some of our message board/posters in this thread were way off base in their opinions (to which they are entitled however) on Jake's value to MU. He'd be a GREAT addition to the MU team. Unfortunately we can't return the favor of a "big guy" as MU has had a dearth of those the last decade.
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Reinko, use your imagination a team use's alot of screens and their 3 pt shooter hits treys using the screens. Well now in practice u can simulate their offense and have someone who can hit treys. Very valuable for scout teams and for game situations. He is more then a walkon as he can contribute.
You can simulate other teams' offense without having a guy hitting 3s. MU could have anyone running off screens and jacking 3s and it doesn't matter if they go in. It only matters if they can defend the offense.
Thomas could be a valuable asset to this team but his ability to hit 3s for the scout team in practice would have nothing to do with it.
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To say a kid like this wouldn't add value to MU is crazy. If you can get a D-1 level player (I don't care if he balls at low to mid-major school) to walk-on?? No downside whatsoever. Guarantee a guy like Thomas and Dave Singleton rachet up the Scout team and competitve nature in practice A LOT more than a Rob Frozena (God love him), or Tommy Brice.
A guy like Thomas can be a HUGE role player at MU - talk about a guy who can space the floor and create driving angles for our slashers?? Novak was huge for the Big 3 (and also benefited greatly from their athleticism)- A LOT of synergy between switchable athletic slashers, and a great shooter like Jake Thomas.
Okay, well how about this. I'll assume that a returning 13.6 ppg scorer for USD would probably increase his scoring total, and have to be worth some win credits for them. This guy could be the difference between a 9-21 team and a 16-15 team. Maybe that's overselling him, but that's my devil's advocate position.
Now, USD has played Marquette every year since they joined D1. If we play them again this year, we want them to be as good as possible. So the question is this. Will he add more win credits to Marquette in 2012-13 and 2013-14 than the value he gives to Marquette by boosting their RPI in our probable games against USD in 2011-12 and 2012-13?
Just playing Devil's Advocate here, but there is some value for Marquette if Jake Thomas stays at USD instead of coming here, especially if he gives average walk-on production (though from stats here, I'm guessing he'd be far more valuable).
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Think some of our message board/posters in this thread were way off base in their opinions (to which they are entitled however) on Jake's value to MU. He'd be a GREAT addition to the MU team. Unfortunately we can't return the favor of a "big guy" as MU has had a dearth of those the last decade.
He was a unrated player out of high school who apparently wasn't sniffed by either UWGB or UWM, and ended up at the lowest level of D1 ball. And now apparently because we have been shown some Youtube video, we think he can be real successful at BE level basketball? Cmon...
I agree with you that he can help in practice and that he *may* be able to come off the bench and hit a shot or two. But that's basically it.
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He was a unrated player out of high school who apparently wasn't sniffed by either UWGB or UWM, and ended up at the lowest level of D1 ball. And now apparently because we have been shown some Youtube video, we think he can be real successful at BE level basketball? Cmon...
I agree with you that he can help in practice and that he *may* be able to come off the bench and hit a shot or two. But that's basically it.
This exactly.
The guy played inferior talent last year and managed 13.6 ppg. He wouldn't SNIFF the court in the BEAST unless it was Trillian time.
You'd rather have a random guy, instead of a 4.0 student that our entire team loves and picks up opposing offenses+defenses incredibly quickly? Great choice, pal ;)
Additionally, this. Walk ons do not play in games, they practice and make out team better that way.
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The question is can he play defense in the Big East for 8 to 10 minutes a game with Otule behind him to help out? If so, having another great 3-point shooter would be great.
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You do realize that shooting in the BE is going to be a little more difficult than the Great West Conference right?
Just out of curiosity, I looked up his stats. Last year he shot 34.7% from 3 point land, and had an overall FG% of 36.3. South Dakota played three "high major" opponents throughout the year - Nebraska, Wisconsin and MU, and he shot 9.1%, 30.8% and 30.8% in those games.
Vander Blue had a better FG% than he did...against better competition...and we have posters on this board who have said "Vander needs to stop shooting." As a percentage, he would have been the fourth best 3 point shooter on this team, behind DJO, DB and Jae...just percentage points ahead of JFB.
Guys, get a grip here.
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Interesting analysis all the way around here. Clearly his level of D-1 ball is NOT the Big East. Clearly the talent he plays with (as teammates) is not what he'd be playing with at MU.
Many here were clamoring for a Scott Christopherson type of shooter this past season - and to me Thomas looks every bit as capable as Christopherson - and he comes as a walk on. What is the downside??
So MU doesn't have to burn a scholarship on a kid that has definite shooting range, that has averaged 13.6ppg at low level D-1 ball? Who needs a walk on to be a star performer anyway? Don't think anyone who is supportive of Thomas coming to MU as a walk on is expecting him to be a star - but rather a nice complementary piece at no scholarship cost.
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You do realize that shooting in the BE is going to be a little more difficult than the Great West Conference right?
Just out of curiosity, I looked up his stats. Last year he shot 34.7% from 3 point land, and had an overall FG% of 36.3. South Dakota played three "high major" opponents throughout the year - Nebraska, Wisconsin and MU, and he shot 9.1%, 30.8% and 30.8% in those games.
Vander Blue had a better FG% than he did...against better competition...and we have posters on this board who have said "Vander needs to stop shooting." As a percentage, he would have been the fourth best 3 point shooter on this team, behind DJO, DB and Jae...just percentage points ahead of JFB.
Guys, get a grip here.
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He was the third-leading scorer on an average low-level D1 team and I get the impression that he's kind of a chucker - almost 75% of his career shot attempts are 3s. Could he have some value? Absolutely. Am I expecting him to be Marquette's zone buster? No.
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Many here were clamoring for a Scott Christopherson type of shooter this past season - and to me Thomas looks every bit as capable as Christopherson - and he comes as a walk on. What is the downside??
Oh I agree, there is no downside risk here. I just think we have to temper our projections about what this might mean for our team. He will likely have zero impact on the outcome of any game next year on the floor. He may positively impact the team on the practice floor, and that's great.
And Christopherson is a much better shooter against much better competition. Last year he shot 42%, including 44% from 3.
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#1 I don't know if this specific kid can help MU or not. I haven't seen him play. (full disclosure)
HOWEVER...
#2 the 3pt line in the Big East is the same as the 3pt line in every bumblefrick conference. Hitting a wide open 3 in either place is going to be similar. Now, playing defense and getting open will be monumentally tougher, but I don't think anybody is expecting him to create his own shot.
#3 I would never expect a kid of his (projected) talent to create/make a ton of 3pters for MU. But, there is value in a walk-on shooter who could mature into a role player that can hit a some shots.
#4 Gym rats have value, especially if he's a walk-on (sits a year), and eventually carves out a small role.
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He was the third-leading scorer on an average low-level D1 team and I get the impression that he's kind of a chucker - almost 75% of his career shot attempts are 3s. Could he have some value? Absolutely. Am I expecting him to be Marquette's zone buster? No.
Actually, that's overselling USD by quite a bit. Their RPI was 314 last season. And that was with a winning record. That's a bad low-level D1 team. And they played 13 games against teams that had lower RPIs than they did. Since we played them, that drags our RPI down even further.
Another walk-on would be great, but there's probably at least a decent chance we see USD on our schedule this year. They return 7 of their top 8 scorers, all of whom averaged 16+ mpg last year. There's every chance they could rise to the top of their conference, which would make them potentially a top-250 RPI team, not that bad for a buy game. But take away one of their top scorers and that could drop them down a few notches. Honestly, this kid might end up pretty valuable to us if he stays at USD.
That said, I wouldn't begrudge anyone wanting to come to Marquette, especially someone from the area. If he'd rather attend Marquette, I'd be happy to welcome him to the family, and if he was able to pay his way and wanted to try out for the team, more power to him :)
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He was a unrated player out of high school who apparently wasn't sniffed by either UWGB or UWM, and ended up at the lowest level of D1 ball. And now apparently because we have been shown some Youtube video, we think he can be real successful at BE level basketball? Cmon...
I agree with you that he can help in practice and that he *may* be able to come off the bench and hit a shot or two. But that's basically it.
You probalbly could of posted the same thing about Jimmy Butler. I am not sure of his rating coming out of high school, but I doubt he got a sniff form UWGB or UWM. Some players improve and some do not. He walks on and has a year to practice as a redshirt. All he has to do to be effective is be a player you cannot leave alone on the court, which stretches the defense. Will he be this, I have no idea, but MU does not have a dead eye shooter.
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You probalbly could of posted the same thing about Jimmy Butler. I am not sure of his rating coming out of high school, but I doubt he got a sniff form UWGB or UWM. Some players improve and some do not. He walks on and has a year to practice as a redshirt. All he has to do to be effective is be a player you cannot leave alone on the court, which stretches the defense. Will he be this, I have no idea, but MU does not have a dead eye shooter.
DJO isn't a dead-eye shooter?
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Bilsu, MU has *three* guys who shot better last year from three point range than this guy did. (Four if you include Fulce who had obviously less attempts.) If Thomas is a "dead-eye shooter," then we have two already on the roster.
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DJO isn't a dead-eye shooter?
Nope ... a streak shooter. Novak was a dead-eyed shooter.
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As a former teammate and friend of Jake's I can assure you he is not going to MU to be a scout player. He is an exceptional basketball product, MU fans will enjoy watching him on the court. The main reason he went USD was he wanted to commit early, in the fall, because he had just come off a wrist fracture that cost him a whole summer of exposure. So signed with the first d1 school to offer him But after his 34 point performance in the semi finals at the kohl center (shooting 7 - 11 from 3) he had plenty of other serious interest but he had already signed his LOI... Anyways you guys will be getting a guy who will be able to spread the floor and make the guys around him better. Also he is a very good passer with good vision and also a good rebounder for a shooting guard.
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Nope ... a streak shooter. Novak was a dead-eyed shooter.
Novak was one of a kind. Greatest shooter in college ball I've ever seen.
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A traditional player...that can shoot. I'm a happy camper....and it didn't even cost us a scholarship? Well done
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The only Walk-Ons we should accept at Marquette are 5 Star players. /sarcasm, for those not in the know
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So is he coming to MU or what?
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As a former teammate and friend of Jake's I can assure you he is not going to MU to be a scout player. He is an exceptional basketball product, MU fans will enjoy watching him on the court. The main reason he went USD was he wanted to commit early, in the fall, because he had just come off a wrist fracture that cost him a whole summer of exposure. So signed with the first d1 school to offer him But after his 34 point performance in the semi finals at the kohl center (shooting 7 - 11 from 3) he had plenty of other serious interest but he had already signed his LOI... Anyways you guys will be getting a guy who will be able to spread the floor and make the guys around him better. Also he is a very good passer with good vision and also a good rebounder for a shooting guard.
Sounds great. Thanks for chiming in :)
So... you're confirming he's coming to MU then?
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Novak was one of a kind. Greatest shooter in college ball I've ever seen.
I always wondered what Gary Rosenberger would have done with a 3 point line. He was as deadly as Novak.
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I always wondered what Gary Rosenberger would have done with a 3 point line. He was as deadly as Novak.
Also Joe Wolf and Jeff Sewell. However, just think what it would of meant to Pisto Pete Maravich. Probably would of added another 500 points to his all time point total.
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As a former teammate and friend of Jake's I can assure you he is not going to MU to be a scout player. He is an exceptional basketball product, MU fans will enjoy watching him on the court. The main reason he went USD was he wanted to commit early, in the fall, because he had just come off a wrist fracture that cost him a whole summer of exposure. So signed with the first d1 school to offer him But after his 34 point performance in the semi finals at the kohl center (shooting 7 - 11 from 3) he had plenty of other serious interest but he had already signed his LOI... Anyways you guys will be getting a guy who will be able to spread the floor and make the guys around him better. Also he is a very good passer with good vision and also a good rebounder for a shooting guard.
You're talking like it's a done deal... am I guilty of reading between the lines or did I miss an announcement?
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Isn't that NY Congressman in trouble for tweeting pictures of his Jake Thomas to a student in Seattle?
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As a former teammate and friend of Jake's I can assure you he is not going to MU to be a scout player. He is an exceptional basketball product, MU fans will enjoy watching him on the court. The main reason he went USD was he wanted to commit early, in the fall, because he had just come off a wrist fracture that cost him a whole summer of exposure. So signed with the first d1 school to offer him But after his 34 point performance in the semi finals at the kohl center (shooting 7 - 11 from 3) he had plenty of other serious interest but he had already signed his LOI... Anyways you guys will be getting a guy who will be able to spread the floor and make the guys around him better. Also he is a very good passer with good vision and also a good rebounder for a shooting guard.
Thanks so much for the scouting report. Can you be specific at to what teams had inquired? Might you have a feel for how his game can translate to the BEast on the defensive end? No doubt he serves a specialist role but I hope he can hold is own enough to merit some court time in 2012-13 and beyond.
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Thanks so much for the scouting report. Can you be specific at to what teams had inquired? Might you have a feel for how his game can translate to the BEast on the defensive end? No doubt he serves a specialist role but I hope he can hold is own enough to merit some court time in 2012-13 and beyond.
Jake is a gym rat, and a competitor. He is going to do what it takes to get better so that he will see the court. For him defensively, putting weight/strength on will help him translate to the big east on the defensive end. He is a very good athlete, quick and can jump also he is a smart defensive player that can make a steal or block a shot when presented to him. I have not seen many of his college games, and his D in them, but with a coach like Buzz stressing D I am sure that alone will help him better his game on the defensive end.
You guys at MU will have good teams in the years to come, it will be fun to watch the wisconsin natives Jake Jamil and Van contribute on the floor.
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A gym rat and competitor? Any more bad basketball cliches you want to drop on us? You haven't watched him play in college? Well according to the stats you didn't miss much. No real cost since he is a walk on but I have no expectations for any production.
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Go look at his video, I think he can add something MU does not have, a zone breaker.
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Also Joe Wolf and Jeff Sewell. However, just think what it would of meant to Pisto Pete Maravich. Probably would of added another 500 points to his all time point total.
Bob Wolf?
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I don't care about the videos. His stats show that he shot worse against worse competition than djo, jae and buycks. He is no more of a zone buster than vander blue is.
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I don't care about the videos. His stats show that he shot worse against worse competition than djo, jae and buycks. He is no more of a zone buster than vander blue is.
C'mon Sultan. He's a walk-on.
Why are you so down on him?
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I'm sure after seein' him in the Summer Pro-Am, some will refer to Jake as the second coming of Gary Rosenberger. Anything north of FrozenA production is welcomed from a dude who cost us zip.
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Its not that I am down on him. As you said he's a walk on. I'm down on those on this board who think he's going to make a difference. And those who post their half-wit scouting reports...even though they didn't see him play in college.
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First, welcome Jake to MU. Buzz clearly sees a value in Jake. I would have to say the first value is as a practice player. Hopefully no more 4 on 4 because of not enough players. Secondly, I think having a guy who can nail three pointers to improve MU three point defense would be invaluable. Our 3 pt defense last year improved throughout the year, but all in all I think we would still agree was quite poor. Having a guy who can stick the 3 in practice can only help us defend against the 3. Thirdly, if Jake has the talent and determination he will be on the court at game time. Whether he has that level of talent and determination I have no clue and I have to believe no one else knows either other than their personal bias at this point.
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Its not that I am down on him. As you said he's a walk on. I'm down on those on this board who think he's going to make a difference. And those who post their half-wit scouting reports...even though they didn't see him play in college.
I think the "scouting report" came from a HS teammate and friend, so I suspect he has a pretty good idea on his game, regardless if he didn't see him play much in college.
However, I agree that expectations of some will inevitably be too high.
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I think the "scouting report" came from a HS teammate and friend, so I suspect he has a pretty good idea on his game, regardless if he didn't see him play much in college.
I get that. But he was his teammate as a Division 3 high school in Wisconsin. And let's not forget the whole bias issue...
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I get that. But he was his teammate as a Division 3 high school in Wisconsin. And let's not forget the whole bias issue...
Your bias issue or his? ?-( Give the kid a break, you've been a tad prickly on him in your posts. Just sayin' ...
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Its not that I am down on him. As you said he's a walk on. I'm down on those on this board who think he's going to make a difference. And those who post their half-wit scouting reports...even though they didn't see him play in college.
I think he will make a difference. It may only be one game in his career, but at some point I can see him coming in and hitting 4 three pointers that we really needed. Jones barely played last year and he hit 3 three pointers late in the first half of one game. You never know when a shooter gets in a zone. Look at Kinsella, partly due to injuries, he never did much, but came in and nailed Pitt with 3 three pointers.
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I think he will make a difference. It may only be one game in his career, but at some point I can see him coming in and hitting 4 three pointers that we really needed. Jones barely played last year and he hit 3 three pointers late in the first half of one game. You never know when a shooter gets in a zone. Look at Kinsella, partly due to injuries, he never did much, but came in and nailed Pitt with 3 three pointers.
Mike Kinsella had three 3 pointers in a game? How do I not remember this? That had to have been his career high.
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Mike Kinsella had three 3 pointers in a game? How do I not remember this? That had to have been his career high.
The first game without McNeal after he was hurt late in the season. Kinsella's 3's shocked Pitt, and many of us for that matter, and MU beat Pitt that night.
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Your bias issue or his? ?-(
The only bias I have, if you can call it that, is against this board getting all excited about a transfer from a low-level d1 school and thinking they will make an impact as a walk-on.
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I don't care about the videos. His stats show that he shot worse against worse competition than djo, jae and buycks. He is no more of a zone buster than vander blue is.
Is that because he was their only option and good teams shut down the best option? I'm just asking. Seems to me that in the right situation, a kid like this can become a great threat as the 3rd option on a kick out, etc. I, for one, am certainly not expecting this kid to start or even play a ton, but I do expect him to play a bit and make an impact.
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Your bias issue or his? ?-( Give the kid a break, you've been a tad prickly on him in your posts. Just sayin' ...
+1.
Sultan, I think I know where you are going, because often posters get too excited about players whom they have never seen play. (the two that jump to mind are Niv Berkowitz and James "manchild" Matthews).
However, this is a local kid who is coming back to walk on. To be honest, MU should be so lucky to get kids turning down other D1 schollies to come walk on at MU.
His friend never claimed to be unbiased, he just gave a small description and said he was excited to see to local kids contribute.
Like I said, I know where you are going, and I agree... but I don't think anybody is jumping to those conclusions yet. Hell, if you want to reset expectations, start with Juan Anderson. Some people around here think he is going to be great. I don't think he'll see the floor this season.
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Are some of these 30 footers and yes, I'm serious?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3wcnX4nqYA
Wow.
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Wow.
+1. That is some serious shooting. Obviously the guy is a streak shooter. Looking at last season, he had seven games when he went 4-46. For all other games he was 82 of 202, or 40.6%, which is not too shabby. Could be a godd zone buster.
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This exactly.
The guy played inferior talent last year and managed 13.6 ppg. He wouldn't SNIFF the court in the BEAST unless it was Trillian time.
Additionally, this. Walk ons do not play in games, they practice and make out team better that way.
I know that it is rare for walk-lns to play. However, Jeff Hornacek walked on at Iowa State as a freshman, ended up starting and had a very nice pro- career. The rap on him--great shooter but not athletic enough to play D-1 ball. I have no opinion of whether or not MU should encourage this kid to walk on, but I don't see any negatives.
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The only bias I have, if you can call it that, is against this board getting all excited about a transfer from a low-level d1 school and thinking they will make an impact as a walk-on.
Actually, your bias is that he played for a D3 High School - you have stated that. Your bias is that Jake is transferring from a low level D1 program, so his stats should be ignored or discounted. Your bias is that he was not recruited by the UWGB/UWM's of the world (even though that was addressed earlier).
You then have chosen to attack the kid that played with him in a couple of posts.
Again, just sayin' ...
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I don't think Sultan has said anything untoward here.
There's nothing wrong with being happy that a potentially quality shooter is joining MU as a walk on. It's a no-lose proposition for Marquette, so why not?
Still, Sultan correctly points out that we shouldn't get excited to the point we're expecting many on-court contributions from the kid. In his three games last year against what most of us would consider "major" programs (MU, UW, Nebraska), Jake shot 9-for-37 overall and 7-for-26 from beyond the arc. The year before, against Texas Tech, MU, Oregon St. and K-State, he was 8-for-34 overall and 1-for-17 from beyond the arc.
None of us have a clue at this point of how or whether he'll have an impact, especially since he'll have an extra year to adjust to the higher level of competition. But given how he's shown against better teams so far, it's completely reasonable to have low expectations and shouldn't be taken as an insult to the kid.
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I don't think Sultan has said anything untoward here.
There's nothing wrong with being happy that a potentially quality shooter is joining MU as a walk on. It's a no-lose proposition for Marquette, so why not?
Still, Sultan correctly points out that we shouldn't get excited to the point we're expecting many on-court contributions from the kid. In his three games last year against what most of us would consider "major" programs (MU, UW, Nebraska), Jake shot 9-for-37 overall and 7-for-26 from beyond the arc. The year before, against Texas Tech, MU, Oregon St. and K-State, he was 8-for-34 overall and 1-for-17 from beyond the arc.
None of us have a clue at this point of how or whether he'll have an impact, especially since he'll have an extra year to adjust to the higher level of competition. But given how he's shown against better teams so far, it's completely reasonable to have low expectations and shouldn't be taken as an insult to the kid.
But he was also the featured player in their offense, with the defense focusing on him, resulting in very few good looks at the hoop. If he's on the court at MU he'll be guarded by a team's worst defender and will be able to set up at the 3 point line for a drive and dish.
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But he was also the featured player in their offense, with the defense focusing on him, resulting in very few good looks at the hoop. If he's on the court at MU he'll be guarded by a team's worst defender and will be able to set up at the 3 point line for a drive and dish.
He was third on the team in scoring and shots attempted (by a pretty wide margin), so I doubt very much he was the featured player in their offense. And if he's getting very few good looks against low-tier competition, how's he going to manage good looks in the Big East. By and large, a team's worst perimeter defender in the Big East is going to be much better than anyone at New Jersey Tech, Houston Baptist, SIU-Edwardsville and Chicago State.
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Seems to me that in the right situation, a kid like this can become a great threat as the 3rd option on a kick out, etc. I, for one, am certainly not expecting this kid to start or even play a ton, but I do expect him to play a bit and make an impact.
Agree - give the kid a year in practice against the guys, weight training, etc....and he likely only improves as a player and shooter - and MU could use a shooter with his kind of range.
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Especially against Syracuse!
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You then have chosen to attack the kid that played with him in a couple of posts.
Again, just sayin' ...
What you are "just sayin?" That I'm being a dick?
Just say that then...
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What you are "just sayin?" That I'm being a dick?
Just say that then...
I believe the correct term today is being an Anthony Weiner
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I never have, and never will, own gray boxer briefs.
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The only bias I have, if you can call it that, is against this board getting all excited about a transfer from a low-level d1 school and thinking they will make an impact as a walk-on.
This seems perfectly fair. Thomas' greatest contributions will likely come in practice. If he can get some meaningful minutes, it's gravy. But thinking that he will be the guy that allows us to beat Syracuse by shooting over their zone (or something like that) seems like it's putting a bit too much on a walk-on.
Kudos to Buzz for getting guys who are on scholarship at other D1 programs to walk on at Marquette, but these most likely won't be the guys that determine the heights of our success over the next few years, or we will likely be in trouble.
If he proves us wrong, fantastic. I'm sure everyone, including Sultan, would be overjoyed. But there's little sense in expecting him to contribute 15-20 mpg while scoring 10 ppg and shooting 40% from 3 at any point of his Marquette career, unless you crave disappointment.
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What you are "just sayin?" That I'm being a dick?
Just say that then...
I said prickly. Yes, I thought you were being prickly (wouldn't go as far as to say you were a dick). The kid was excited that his buddy, whom he played with, is transfering to MU. Gave us some insight into JT's game. You turned it on him.
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Jake reminds me of Brady Morningstar. He walked-on to KU as a local kid from Lawrence, same size and weight and had a nice career with the Jawhawks. Not the most athletic kid, but by his senior year, they could not keep him off the court.
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A gym rat and competitor? Any more bad basketball cliches you want to drop on us? You haven't watched him play in college? Well according to the stats you didn't miss much. No real cost since he is a walk on but I have no expectations for any production.
Well excuse me let me know when you find a better way to describe a person so i won't use my basketball cliches. And note I said not seen him play many, kind of a difference than haven't watched him play at at all. So make sure you make time to comprehend something you are reading before you attack it. And "according to his stats I didn't miss much" pretty bold statement coming from someone who probably never played college ball, probably didn't get off the bench much on your high school team. So chill out before you go and try to attack someone just because you are a 'fan'
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Its not that I am down on him. As you said he's a walk on. I'm down on those on this board who think he's going to make a difference. And those who post their half-wit scouting reports...even though they didn't see him play in college.
Once again, comprehend what you read before you go attacking it. Not once did I ever say I didn't see him play. You would think somebody who got into MU can make a simple rational argument on a discussion board. As someone who had a successful high school career, played in in college, and coached AAU middle school kids, I would think I know something more than a half wit scouting report.
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As nice as the shooting touch appeared in the video, the defense played against him was atrocious. Those kids hardly even thought about contesting half of those shots.
This is not a commentary on whether Jake will be useful for Marquette or not. I just was amazed by how poor the defense was in this particular set of highlights. The Big East will provide a much different test.
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I do not have any idea whether he will end up making much of a difference. However, you got admire a player who wants to step up to tougher competition. Much better than the player that just left for a lesser progam.
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As nice as the shooting touch appeared in the video, the defense played against him was atrocious. Those kids hardly even thought about contesting half of those shots.
This is not a commentary on whether Jake will be useful for Marquette or not. I just was amazed by how poor the defense was in this particular set of highlights. The Big East will provide a much different test.
But, those were a couple 30 footers....!
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262BALLER--GREAT STUFF. APPRECIATE YOUR INSIGHT. YOU WILL LEARN THAT SOME PEOPLE ON HERE FIND IT IMPORTANT THAT THEIR VOICE IS HEARD--EVEN IF THEY HAVE TO LAWYER THEIR DEFENSE OF BUZZ, WARRIORS, VANDER, BIG MEN, ETC.
EXPECT JAKE THOMAS TO DO NOTHING AND WATCH WHAT HAPPENS--MORE THAN A PRACTICE BODY FOR SURE!
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Interesting analysis all the way around here. Clearly his level of D-1 ball is NOT the Big East. Clearly the talent he plays with (as teammates) is not what he'd be playing with at MU.
Many here were clamoring for a Scott Christopherson type of shooter this past season - and to me Thomas looks every bit as capable as Christopherson - and he comes as a walk on. What is the downside??
So MU doesn't have to burn a scholarship on a kid that has definite shooting range, that has averaged 13.6ppg at low level D-1 ball? Who needs a walk on to be a star performer anyway? Don't think anyone who is supportive of Thomas coming to MU as a walk on is expecting him to be a star - but rather a nice complementary piece at no scholarship cost.
As one of those who wanted a Christopherson type last year, I'm glad we have Thomas.
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I don't know anything about this kid but I hope he proves all the naysayers wrong. Good luck and enjoy your college years at MU
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And "according to his stats I didn't miss much" pretty bold statement coming from someone who probably never played college ball, probably didn't get off the bench much on your high school team. So chill out before you go and try to attack someone just because you are a 'fan'
Oh you are going to pull the "you didn't play college ball" card out now? LOL... Gimme a break.
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As someone who had a successful high school career, played in in college, and coached AAU middle school kids, I would think I know something more than a half wit scouting report.
Yeah, I would have thought so too...
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Well excuse me let me know when you find a better way to describe a person so i won't use my basketball cliches. And note I said not seen him play many, kind of a difference than haven't watched him play at at all. So make sure you make time to comprehend something you are reading before you attack it. And "according to his stats I didn't miss much" pretty bold statement coming from someone who probably never played college ball, probably didn't get off the bench much on your high school team. So chill out before you go and try to attack someone just because you are a 'fan'
Let me again just say 'Thank you' for your insights. Most of us know nothing about Jake. We appreciate your contribution and hope he is a good addition to the team, on and off the court.