Erik Williams will transfer
Erik Williams will transfer from Marquette University at the end of the semester, a spokesman for the basketball program confirmed on Friday night.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/121425288.html
Like clockwork....what a joke
Quote from: VanderBabyBlue on May 06, 2011, 10:26:09 PM
Like clockwork....what a joke
What do you want to hear? Why should they go out and tell you why the kid is transferring? He made a personal decision that he wasn't in the right spot and he's fixing it. Good luck to him, I hope it is the right decision for him.
Best of luck to Erik.
The talent at MU is no joke. The roster is pretty much all top 100 guys now and it is impossible to give them all the minutes they want. There will continue to be transfers every year because of this, but the transfers out don't hurt like when MU only had 1 or 2 top 100 guys on the roster. The best talent is going to stay and be rewarded. MU has a nice little streak of sending guys to the NBA.....I see years with multiple guys going with the talent Buzz is bringing in. That means a lot of great MU teams in the near future. With that said, I wish Erik the best and I will cheer him on wherever he ends up.
Tough to see him go, but it may be what's best for both parties.
Here we go again with the excuse makers.
Smith starts several games and plays about 4 minutes a game and transfers.
Williams starts several games and plays about 6 minutes a game and transfers.\
Anybody see a trend here.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 06, 2011, 11:28:25 PM
Here we go again with the excuse makers.
Smith starts several games and plays about 4 minutes a game and transfers.
Williams starts several games and plays about 6 minutes a game and transfers.\
Anybody see a trend here.
Yeah, I see a trend: more depth means more competition, more competition leads to less playing time. Players' expectations aren't met and they seek to pursue their basketball careers elsewhere. Not exactly disturbing or alarming (not that this kind of calm, rational logic will dissuade you from wild innuendo and demagoguery).
Quote from: Jam Chowder on May 06, 2011, 11:31:46 PM
Yeah, I see a trend: more depth means more competition, more competition leads to less playing time. Players' expectations aren't met and they seek to pursue their basketball careers elsewhere. Not exactly disturbing or alarming (not that this kind of calm, rational logic will dissuade you from wild innuendo and demagoguery).
+1 for common sense.
And of course you have no problems with the revolving door, because "That's the way it is"
Quote from: Skatastrophy on May 06, 2011, 11:34:41 PM
+1 for common sense.
It is only the Dems that use wild innuendo and demagoguery--so that likely speaks volumes to you. I never used any.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 06, 2011, 11:36:42 PM
It is only the Dems that use wild innuendo and demagoguery--so that likely speaks volumes to you. I never used any.
This post doesn't make sense.
Of all the transfers that have happened, you'd think this one would be the most reasonable to expect.
Yet people still find a reason to rip Buzz for it. Unreal.
Quote from: MUfan12 on May 07, 2011, 02:18:03 AM
Of all the transfers that have happened, you'd think this one would be the most reasonable to expect.
Yet people still find a reason to rip Buzz for it. Unreal.
No kidding
That said, the vast majority on this forum have been rational and used common sense about this transfer. There seems to be no secret agendas involved with the transfer. Just a former top 100 recruit that hasn't developed as quickly as i'm sure both Buzz and Erik hoped, but that's far from uncommon in college basketball. So E.Williams decides that he simply wants to go somewhere that hopefully allows hm more PT. This type of stuff happens constantly in college basketball.
Well then...Schultzy66 's UWM player source must have had trouble confusing E Williams with Vander...his rumor is solved. lol
Quote from: willie warrior on May 06, 2011, 11:35:09 PMAnd of course you have no problems with the revolving door, because "That's the way it is"
There are only 200 minutes in a game to split between 13 guys. It sounds like Buzz is clear about telling guys they have to earn time. I am sad to see Williams leave, but he was most likely another year away from starting. The alternative is that Buzz either gives more minutes to guys he has less faith in or deliberately recruits less talented players who will be content just to be on the roster.
The only question left is which of those two philosophies are more stupid.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 06, 2011, 11:28:25 PM
Here we go again with the excuse makers.
Smith starts several games and plays about 4 minutes a game and transfers.
Williams starts several games and plays about 6 minutes a game and transfers.\
Anybody see a trend here.
The only trend I see is that the alarmingly ignorant posts of yours seem to be on the increase.
Oh, plus young kids who are basketball players want to play, not sit on the bench. If they need a change of scenery to make that happen, go for it. They only get to play college basketball once and they can get a college education at hundreds of schools.
This transfer is much different than Smith or Maymon. This was a guy who put in two years of work, wasn't a problem, didn't make waves, was given a fair shot...and it just didn't work out. It really is hard to find fault with Buzz on this one.
If a kid has no future playing at that current school, it's time to move on.
By all reports Erik loves Marquette, his fellow teammates and the coaching staff. That said he wants more playing time. With the shoulder surgery -- to comeback full strength will take a year. That would limit his time in the 11-12 and leave him just one season to fully contribute. By transferring he gets the rehab time ( Marquette was not in a position to redshirt him), he plays at a level where he will be assured of a starting job for two full seasons and he puts himself in a position to have a college education paid for that includes both a bachelor and masters. (2 degrees gives him some nice employment options)
Kudos to Erik for analyzing his situation and acting on it. That said, his transfer doesn't hurt MU from a basketball perspective one bit.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 06, 2011, 11:28:25 PM
Here we go again with the excuse makers.
Smith starts several games and plays about 4 minutes a game and transfers.
Williams starts several games and plays about 6 minutes a game and transfers.\
Anybody see a trend here.
yeah, buzz is making the team better and if you cannot see your game getting any better to battle for a spot in the rotation, then it's best i move on to a prgram that i may have a better chance at p.t. duh. if we go by your trend, then let's see, djo should be transfering any day now too?? there must still be some opennings in phil oo1 yet for next fall-take it pass/fail, then come back and answer your own question
Quote from: willie warrior on May 06, 2011, 11:28:25 PM
Here we go again with the excuse makers.
Smith starts several games and plays about 4 minutes a game and transfers.
Williams starts several games and plays about 6 minutes a game and transfers.\
Anybody see a trend here.
Willie, glad you spotted the trend. It has been happening for decades. You are a quick one. By the way, they added a 3 point line and a shot clock.
As much as I liked Eric as a person, this can give Buzz a chance to have a great recruiting year in
2012. Now for sure there is a strong opportunity for a player to step in and start as a freshman. The
question I do have, is Juan Anderson strong enough to play serious minutes next year?
Quote from: willie warrior on May 06, 2011, 11:28:25 PM
Here we go again with the excuse makers.
Smith starts several games and plays about 4 minutes a game and transfers.
Williams starts several games and plays about 6 minutes a game and transfers.\
Anybody see a trend here.
Two data points don't make a trend. Maybe you could add Maymon's 16.3 then explain to us simpletons--preferably with an excel chart--what that trend would be.
When a program brings in a lot of talent as MU does, there is always going to be a battle for PT. After two years of fighting for PT Erik couldn't get the minutes he wanted. Add in the fact that he has a shoulder injury that he will need time to rehab from and transferring seems like a good move by Ewill.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 07, 2011, 07:05:33 AM
Kudos to Erik for analyzing his situation and acting on it. That said, his transfer doesn't hurt MU from a basketball perspective one bit.
I'm not sure about that. Crowder will likely be the 4 next year, but when he leaves, that position will either be filled by a freshman or an out-of-position 3 like Wilson or Anderson. Williams was in a perfect position to take that role in 2012-13, and could have held it down for two years if he had been granted a medical hardship waiver this year to rehab his shoulder.
I wish him the best, but I could see this definitely impacting us on the court for at least one, if not two seasons. He showed flashes last year, and I was eager to see him get the chance to build on that.
Good luck EWill. We will be keeping an eye on your carreer and rooting for you.
My hope next year is that JJ earns p.t., gets p.t., then delivers so we are not talking about him like this.
GTST
BeerBunch, I'd seen enough of Ewill to conclude we needed to enhance his spot anyway to be a major player in the Big East.
Folks are all kumbaya about the dude leaving, but the fact remains not every kid is starting material. For sure, Erik was on the slow end of the learning curve. Good move by him, better result for Marquette.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 07, 2011, 08:33:48 AM
I'm not sure about that. Crowder will likely be the 4 next year, but when he leaves, that position will either be filled by a freshman or an out-of-position 3 like Wilson or Anderson. Williams was in a perfect position to take that role in 2012-13, and could have held it down for two years if he had been granted a medical hardship waiver this year to rehab his shoulder.
I wish him the best, but I could see this definitely impacting us on the court for at least one, if not two seasons. He showed flashes last year, and I was eager to see him get the chance to build on that.
I'll withhold judgment on the impact for now, but I don't see E. Williams as being any less of an "out-of-position" three than Wilson or anyone else. I definitely don't see him having a lock on the four after Jae leaves.
His biggest problem, besides his defense, is he's very much a tweener in the Big East. Not big or strong enough to be even an undersized four, and not enough of a perimeter game to play the wing.
I don't think Erik would be eligible for a medical redshirt. If I'm not mistaken, to qualify for a medical redshirt, one's injury must have occurred during the first half of the season for which the redshirt is sought. Erik's injury occurred last season, and his surgery took place this spring, about seven months before the season even begins. The injury also has to be such that it would prevent a player from missing most of his team's games that season. I'd be surprised if Erik's recovery were such that he absolutely could not play next season.
Anyhow, you hate to lose depth like this, but it's hard to fault Erik for wanting to make the move. If he transfers, he'll have a chance to go somewhere closer to home and start for two seasons. At MU, he's looking at another season mostly on the pines and then a chance to compete for starting job his senior year.
I think this might end up as a very good decision by EWill. He'll need to sit out next year which will give him the chance to get healthy for his return to D1 hoops in the Fall '12 when he'll have 2 years to contribute to his new team. His current level of play coupled with his inability to practice this summer was going to limit his role with MU next year leaving him only one more year beyond that.
Good luck Erik. You've been a credit to the program. Hope you enjoyed your time at Marquette and will look back at the experience fondly. And good luck on finals this week.
I'd be willing to bet that Kansas, North Carolina, Duke, Nova, Georgetown, Arizona - basically any perennial top 25 school - averages at least one transfer per season. At least. It's just the way college basketball works, especially when your team is stocked with talent.
Exactly, and people will inevitably compare the program to Madison but the truth is most of the bench players in Madison weren't highly recruited players.....Bo Ryan is just a great coach.
Eric did not need a medical rdshirt. He just could of redshirted. Medical redshirt applies, if you have already played some games in the season. The best thing for Eric would be to redshirt this season to get his shoulder 100% healthy and to work on his game. He gets this by transferring. He could of had this at MU, if Buzz was willing to let him redshirt and we do not know if Buzz had a problem with him redshirting. The biggest reason kids (who consider transferring) do not transfer is because they do not want to sit out a year. Given Eric's surgury, the best thing for him is to sit out a year, so that removes that having a sit out a year from the equation. We all liked Eric and could see his natuaral ability. However, he did not play alot for two reasons. One was defense and the other was he did not know the offense well. Buzz mentioned several times in post game shows that Eric and Joe Fulce never fully grasp the offense and had to be directed by Butler where they should be.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on May 07, 2011, 09:48:24 AM
Exactly, and people will inevitably compare the program to Madison but the truth is most of the bench players in Madison weren't highly recruited players.....Bo Ryan is just a great coach.
I think the two biggest reason UW does not have many transfers are that Bo redshirts a lot of freshmen and the players really want to go to Wisconsin. Redshirting has two benefits. The first being a freshmen that is redshirting is not unhappy about playing time, since he cannot play anyways. The other is that once you redshirt, you actually would lose a year of playing time if you transferred after that. I also think Bo recruits players that are just happy to be at Wisconsin. Buzz recruits players who want to play in the Big East. It is not hard to imagine them being unhappy when they find out they are not good enough to play in the Big East. Look at it this way. Juan Anderson is from Califorina and problably did not even know where MU was until Buzz started recruiting him. If he does not play much the odds are that he will transfer. Gasser grew up dreaming of playing for Wisconsin and waited for a chance to get a scholarship. He is very unlikely transfer even if Bo recruited over him.
Erik stuck with Marquette and Buzz when TC flew the coop. For that, he'll always be a favorite of mine. I think he could've provided solid minutes here but nothing is for sure, especially in light of the potential talent coming in, and the surgery no doubt slowed him down.
Best of luck to him wherever he goes. I'll root for him....
Its too bad. On a personal level I never really want to see a player transfer, especially EWill. I was a fan of his. I'm bummed because EWill would have had some nice opportunities to play this upcoming year and in his senior year. However if it was in his best interests to leave, I seems like it was then I totally understand I wish him the best.
However when it comes to the program as a whole, this speaks to the level of skill buzz is recruiting. I feel like this sort of thing is going to happen when we have a program that is quickly rising through the ranks. Buzz is going to recruit the best players out there and if that means recruiting over players to improve the team then so be it. Its the growing pains that come with good recruiting.
I hope EWill has some success at whatever school he transfers to.
Quote from: bilsu on May 07, 2011, 09:52:08 AM
Eric did not need a medical rdshirt. He just could of redcrapred. Medical redshirt applies, if you have already played some games in the season. The best thing for Eric would be to redshirt this season to get his shoulder 100% healthy and to work on his game. He gets this by transferring. He could of had this at MU, if Buzz was willing to let him redshirt and we do not know if Buzz had a problem with him redshirting. The biggest reason kids (who consider transferring) do not transfer is because they do not want to sit out a year. Given Eric's surgury, the best thing for him is to sit out a year, so that removes that having a sit out a year from the equation. We all liked Eric and could see his natuaral ability. However, he did not play alot for two reasons. One was defense and the other was he did not know the offense well. Buzz mentioned several times in post game shows that Eric and Joe Fulce never fully grasp the offense and had to be directed by Butler where they should be.
I'd like to follow-up on this point. Obviously the transfer year allows EWill to get healthy and then still contribute 2 years to his next school graduating in May 2014. Had he asked Buzz to redshirt at MU to get healthy and better athletically, Buzz would still be using up his scholly this year and not have a player for those minutes. So it might make sense that if EWill were to have stayed, his only option from Buzz was to use his 2 remaining years of eligibility up in exactly 2 more years, not 3 so as to free the scholly up for the 2013-14 season. Am I understanding the rules correctly?
Quote from: esotericmindguy on May 07, 2011, 09:48:24 AM
Exactly, and people will inevitably compare the program to Madison but the truth is most of the bench players in Madison weren't highly recruited players.....Bo Ryan is just a great coach.
and. Bo typically red shirts freshman, at least the bigs, giving them more time to develop.
Quote from: MUCam on May 07, 2011, 10:12:32 AM
Erik stuck with Marquette and Buzz when TC flew the coop. For that, he'll always be a favorite of mine. I think he could've provided solid minutes here but nothing is for sure, especially in light of the potential talent coming in, and the surgery no doubt slowed him down.
Best of luck to him wherever he goes. I'll root for him....
Well said. I certainly hope the best for Erik. He seemed like a really good kid, and definitely has some basketball talent too.
Obviously not surprising, but .. odd for Erik.
Erik never struck me as a guy with fire in his belly to gain maximum playing time. He was a minor bench player and on an upward trend, heading for 10-12 mpg and maybe 20 his senior year, if he showed progress. Is 20 mpg on a BE contender, better than 33 mpg on a mid-major scrapping for an NIT bid?
Assuming that there was not a personal issue or the like, I think this speaks a lot to how good Jamil Wilson must be. You figure with Jimmy gone EWill's time would have increased quite a bit with the only returning forwards with experience being Crowder, Wilson, and Jones.
I really hate transfers but this one does not surprise me. My guess is that this will be best for Erik Williams. For Marquette next season, this again proves why we so desperately need a "4" (forget a switchable please) next season. We are an injury away now of being in big trouble at the "4" spot.
Hope he gets to go somewhere where he gets the PT he wants. Good Luck Erik. Thanks.
Wow usually when a player transfers, it is a total bash fest on a message board. Think Reggie's case was of that variety. But you guys are saying some great things about EWill. Refreshing to see in a way. Seemed like a great kid who just got a bit unlucky. Hope he has great success in the future at a Texas school.
His name is Erik, not Eric. I don't think that is asking too much.
I agree with a lot of people here that this transfer makes sense. I don't really agree that I saw it coming. It's not like I look at the roster and say, yah this kid will transfer. This transfer makes a ton of sense in 2 ways. (as mentioned above)
-Sitting Out a year gives him a chance to rehab the shoulder and be 100% in 2012-13.
- With Wilson coming in, and the improvement of Gardner and Otule, minutes upfront will be limited. With 80 availible minutes at the 4 and 5. The three mentioned above, as well as crowder, deserve 20+ minutes a game.
With this transfer I see Buzz going to get another 4. I would love a 6-8 shooter who has a knack for rebounding.
Where do you folks see E will going? I could see him at a C-usa or A 10 school and having quite a bit of success.
Without knowing the school's situations, I would guess SMU, Rice or Houston--somewhere close to home.
Will Wilson be getting any minutes at the "4"? I break 3-4-5 down this way:
5 - Otule/Gardner 25/15
4 - Crowder 30
3 - Wilson 30 (with maybe 5-10 of those at the 4.)
But as others have said, that's an injury away from real trouble. Be interesting to see Buzz' next LOI. PT is available.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on May 07, 2011, 11:49:40 AM
Assuming that there was not a personal issue or the like, I think this speaks a lot to how good Jamil Wilson must be. You figure with Jimmy gone EWill's time would have increased quite a bit with the only returning forwards with experience being Crowder, Wilson, and Jones.
I don't think it has anything to do with Wilson. Two separate entities.
Best of luck to Erik. It seemed he would be one who constantly mystified the fans. Looking for stability is never a bad thing.
This does seem to make a lot of sense for Erik. Seemed like a good guy. Good luck to him.
Quote from: MikeyT42 on May 07, 2011, 12:48:05 PM
I agree with a lot of people here that this transfer makes sense. I don't really agree that I saw it coming. It's not like I look at the roster and say, yah this kid will transfer. This transfer makes a ton of sense in 2 ways. (as mentioned above)
-Sitting Out a year gives him a chance to rehab the shoulder and be 100% in 2012-13.
I have a question from my simple ignorance.
One can freshmen redshirt at inception, and defer one's 4 years of eligibilty.
But,...Once you start your play and eligibility, must you continue straight through it at that school?
Or better stated, here,....Could Erik and MU have simply had him continue on scholly, and medical redshirt/sit out next year, adding an extra year of eligibility on the back end?
Sort of like spending next year on the injured reserve-ineligble to play list, but giving him the back end ability to play as a 5th year senior.
It seems fair to everyone...which why I'm guessing y'all are going to tell me NCAA doesn't allow this...lol.
I don't think you have to redshirt before your frosh year.
You get 5 years to play 4.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 06, 2011, 11:28:25 PM
Here we go again with the excuse makers.
Willie – I don't get the excuse making comment. I actually was happy to jump at the chance to agree with your last post on Kojis, but I'm back to being puzzled by this one.
If I can refer you back to my March 29 post, Erik Williams was the only player or recruit projected not to create any wins for Marquette the next two years.
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2011/03/win-credits-predicts-26-wins-for-mu.html
Anticipated wins created in 2011: Crowder 6, DJO 5.7, Blue 3.6, Otule 2.5, Cadougan 2.3, Anderson 1.9, J. Wilson 1.9, Singleton 1.2, Gardner 0.9, D. Wilson 0.3, Mayo 0.3, Jones 0, Erik Williams 0
Anticipated wins created in 2011: Blue 5.2, Otule 3.6, Cadougan 3.5, Anderson 3.3, J. Wilson 3.1, Ferguson 1.9, Gardner 1.8, D. Wilson 1.2, Mayo 1.2, Jones 1.2, Erik Williams 0.
I admit there are some things we don't like about basketball being a business, but from Erik's perspective wouldn't it be better for him if he went somewhere else to make his mark?
Scott Christopherson was a good shooter and ballhandler for a Iowa State team that went 3-13 in the Big 12 - he wasn't going to contribute at MU so he is much better off there
Patrick Hazel went to Boston University where he could be the starting center and turn into one of the best shot blockers and rebounders in the American East - things he wasn't going to do playing center at 6-foot-6 for MU in the Big East.
Liam McMorrow gives Tennessee Tech a great 10 minutes a game off the bench, and the OVC guys only option is to play "Hack a Shack" on the 7-footer because he grabs the rebounds and will hit the follow-up. He simply wouldn't be getting those 10 minutes a game with Gardner and Otule's improvement this year.
So my question is, isn't Marquette better off than if we had had to give up three of our current players to give these guys scholarships to sit on the bench, but also, aren't all three of these guys better off having now gotten a total of 5 years of college paid for with the addition of a red shirt year and being able to contribute to a team winning instead of sitting at the end of our bench?
This is why you never stop recruiting. One thing I believe Jack Welch had one thing right - if someone is in a position where they aren't ever likely to contribute, you owe it to them to get them out of that spot. Everyone has talents they can utilize, and they can only find the right spot where they will be happy if they are forced out of a spot where they won't.
Quote from: bilsu on May 07, 2011, 09:52:08 AM
However, he did not play alot for two reasons. One was defense and the other was he did not know the offense well. Buzz mentioned several times in post game shows that Eric and Joe Fulce never fully grasp the offense and had to be directed by Butler where they should be.
I remember clearly Buzz saying this about Erik, but I don't remember anything about Fulce having this issue. Fulce could only stand so many minutes because his knees are nearly completely shot, but I don't remember hearing anything about him not grasping O or D.
Quote from: TJ on May 07, 2011, 06:48:14 PM
I remember clearly Buzz saying this about Erik, but I don't remember anything about Fulce having this issue. Fulce could only stand so many minutes because his knees are nearly completely shot, but I don't remember hearing anything about him not grasping O or D.
He also said it about Fulce. Fulce was an energy guy that had a good nose for rebounding.
If Erik wants to play more, its probably a good thing that he is transferring. Of the RSCI Top 100 for his class (he was #67), only 14 players saw less playing time than Erik (4 of whom never played a D-1 game). In two years at Marquette, Williams only saw 274 minutes in playing time - and the majority of those were in non-league play. (Ironically, in 2 seasons at Mu and Tennessee, Jeronne Maymon also has 274 minutes in playing time). Good luck Erik.
Too bad, but probably best for Erik. I was kind of excited to see what he could do this year. I thought he was a pretty tenacious rebounder. Best of luck to you in the future, Erik.
Erik was a top 100 recruit who stayed with MU when many might not have. The development and progression just didn't happen, probably leading to some disappointment on both sides. It's not going all kumbaya to wish him well elsewhere.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on May 07, 2011, 11:49:31 AM
Obviously not surprising, but .. odd for Erik.
Erik never struck me as a guy with fire in his belly to gain maximum playing time. He was a minor bench player and on an upward trend, heading for 10-12 mpg and maybe 20 his senior year, if he showed progress. Is 20 mpg on a BE contender, better than 33 mpg on a mid-major scrapping for an NIT bid?
For some people, yes. For others, no. Some players simply want to play basketball, and would gladly play 30+ minutes on a mid major instead of 10 on a major. And I'm not going to tell them they're wrong.
tip of the hat to bama for such a quality argument in a post
Quote from: Ari Gold on May 08, 2011, 01:47:49 PM
tip of the hat to bama for such a quality argument in a post
Good breakdown but I'm not sure I completely agree. So because E-Will does not project to have any win credits for next year we are better off not having him on the roster and instead having yet another open roster spot to fill? Who are we bringing in to replace him that is going to have more of an impact next year? I think E-Will was getting close to making a contribution. Plus we should all know by now that there are always injuries and other issues that can quickly expose a lack of depth. Nonetheless I understand his reasons, especially with the injury, and wish him the best.
"Close to making a contribution."
Was that supposed to be a complement? Honestly, if that is the best thing we can say about a guy who has been given every opportunity to make a contribution at a position where we are thin, then well, we probably won't miss him too much.
As for depth, that is why they need to bring in a guy next year. Chris Bryant would be fine with me.
Chris Bryant is a lower rated recruit than Williams was out of high school, is not at all ready to contribute at a Big East level, and by the way, hasn't signed with Marquette. But sorry to sweat the details.
Quote from: Jacks DC on May 08, 2011, 04:40:56 PM
Chris Bryant is a lower rated recruit than Williams was out of high school,
So was Devante....and DJO...and Jae...and JFB... Should I go on?
Quote from: Jacks DC on May 08, 2011, 04:40:56 PM
is not at all ready to contribute at a Big East level
Oh...and you know this how???
Quote from: Jacks DC on May 08, 2011, 04:40:56 PM
hasn't signed with Marquette. But sorry to sweat the details.
Look, I don't want EWill to leave. But I just don't understand where people saw that he was "close to making a contribution." Frankly, I saw very little improvement when he was here.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 08, 2011, 04:47:05 PM
Look, I don't want EWill to leave.
Glad we agree. I just think it's unlikely we will replace him with someone who will have more of an impact this year. Maybe E-Will wouldn't have had an impact either, but if someone gets hurt, I'd rather have Williams available than an unknown.
Quote from: Jacks DC on May 08, 2011, 05:00:26 PM
but if someone gets hurt, I'd rather have Williams available than an unknown.
This.
Unfortunately, from his perspective, that isn't reason enough to stay at MU. And I can hardly blame him.
Kinda sucks, but totally understandable. Wish he was staying, but since he's not, good luck to him.
Does he have any restrictions as to where he can transfer? The article doesn't mention any. I'm assuming no Big East schools or Wisconsin.
Quote from: hdog1017 on May 09, 2011, 09:59:15 AM
Does he have any restrictions as to where he can transfer? The article doesn't mention any. I'm assuming no Big East schools or Wisconsin.
No BE schools as per BE rules. Doubt that WI would be an exclusion as he is from TX and is likely to go back to TX (and Bucky is out of scholies anyway unless someone got Markolf-ed... :D). In short, I doubt that there would be any special exclusions or restrctions.
Lots of people on here claim that Buzz gave Williams every opportunity to succeed and he just didn't take advantage of it. I'm not at practice, so I have no idea how he performed in practices, but I'm not sure Buzz gave him all that much opportunities during games to let him "grab his spot." It seemed that every time he made a mistake defensively Buzz yanked him. The problem, in my eyes, was not that he'd get yanked when he made a mistake defensively, but that Buzz would let others continue to stay in the game after they also made mistakes on the D end. The hook just seemed much quicker for Williams, especially on a team that was not known for its defensive prowess this past season. In his career at MU, Williams didn't even play in half of the games he suited up for - he collected 28 DNP's in 51 contests, with the majority of those DNP's coming in Big East games. He played 274 minutes in his two years at MU (out of 2,040 minutes in 51 games). Buzz may have been able to give him more time in the next couple years, but I guess I can't blame him for wanting to leave. Hopefully it works out for him wherever he lands at the next stop.
Quote from: hdog1017 on May 09, 2011, 09:59:15 AM
Does he have any restrictions as to where he can transfer? The article doesn't mention any. I'm assuming no Big East schools or Wisconsin.
He can transfer anywhere outside the BE that he wants. He could go to Wisconsin and wouldn't need permission. If it weren't for the BE rule, he could go to a BE school.
The cases in the past where we have restricted players movement is because we let them out of their NLI. But once they are for a year, they can go wherever they want.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 09, 2011, 10:56:43 AM
He can transfer anywhere outside the BE that he wants. He could go to Wisconsin and wouldn't need permission. If it weren't for the BE rule, he could go to a BE school.
The cases in the past where we have restricted players movement is because we let them out of their NLI. But once they are for a year, they can go wherever they want.
You sure? I thought that applied for Maymon...
Maymon didn't stay here a year. Neither did Smith. Recruits are bound to the campus for a year once they sign their NLI. After a year, they can go anywhere.
Quote from: Victor McCormick on May 09, 2011, 11:19:32 AM
You sure? I thought that applied for Maymon...
When you need a release, a team can put restrictions on it. I doubt that Bo would of taken Maymon, so it is not likely that restriction would of even been put on him.
Quote from: Nukem2 on May 09, 2011, 10:05:47 AM
(and Bucky is out of scholies anyway unless someone got Markolf-ed... :D).
I always thought the correct terminology was getting "Bo-ned".
Quote from: Jacks DC on May 08, 2011, 05:00:26 PM
Glad we agree. I just think it's unlikely we will replace him with someone who will have more of an impact this year. Maybe E-Will wouldn't have had an impact either, but if someone gets hurt, I'd rather have Williams available than an unknown.
Keep in mind with Williams shoulder injury he won't be able to do much in the way of basketball until September/October so he is going to miss a lot of time. Based on what he has showed so far, we can get a player who in year one might not be as high of value, but we also get him three years after that instead of just one.
Quote from: Victor McCormick on May 08, 2011, 12:41:29 PM
For some people, yes. For others, no. Some players simply want to play basketball, and would gladly play 30+ minutes on a mid major instead of 10 on a major. And I'm not going to tell them they're wrong.
Taking a step "down" worked out well for Karon Bradley. He got more PT and a trip to the Sweet 16. Transferring to a smaller school doesn't necessarily mean he'd be scrapping to make the NIT (as mu_hilltopper put it).
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on May 09, 2011, 12:17:15 PM
Taking a step "down" worked out well for Karon Bradley. He got more PT and a trip to the Sweet 16. Transferring to a smaller school doesn't necessarily mean he'd be scrapping to make the NIT (as mu_hilltopper put it).
Karon's transfer was not so much a step down as huge step closer to home. He transferred mostly for that reason as he would have had plenty of minutes had he stayed. BTW, he was a classy young guy.
Quote from: bilsu on May 09, 2011, 11:38:16 AM
When you need a release, a team can put restrictions on it. I doubt that Bo would of taken Maymon, so it is not likely that restriction would of even been put on him.
My understanding it was more of a favor to UW and Bo to have that added.
Guys...an NLI is a one year binding contract on both parties. After one year, Williams may go anywhere he wants except for the BE per conference rule.
I still think you need a school to release you from the scholarship, so you can accept another one. There really is no reason for a school not to, except to make sure you leave in good academic standing.
Quote from: bilsu on May 09, 2011, 01:53:43 PM
I still think you need a school to release you from the scholarship, so you can accept another one. There really is no reason for a school not to, except to make sure you leave in good academic standing.
You're mostly correct.
The current school has to issue a permission-to-contact letter to any school wishing to recruit the transferring player. Without that letter, another school is not allowed to contact the player (or his representatives) or give him a scholarship for one full academic year.
So, let's say Erik wants to go to UW. Marquette can't prevent that. But MU can prevent UW from contacting Erik or his parents, and can prevent UW from giving him a scholarship until the 2012-13 year. So, if Erik is willing to pay his own way to go to UW, MU couldn't stop that. But they sure could make it difficult.
Here's the rulebook and applicable section:
http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/TGONLINE2010.pdf
Generally, if you are enrolled as a full-time student at an NCAA or National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics (NAIA) four-year school and you want to transfer to a different NCAA school to play, your current school's athletics director must give written permission-to-contact to the new coach or member of the athletics staff before you or your parents can talk with one of them. That is called having a permission-to-contact letter. You may write to any NCAA school saying that you are interested in transferring, but the new coach must not discuss transfer opportunities with you unless he or she has received written permission-to-contact from your current school. If your current school does not give you written permission-to-contact, another school cannot contact you and encourage you to transfer. This does not preclude you from transferring; however, if the new school is in Division I or II, you cannot receive an athletics scholarship until you have attended the new school for one academic year. Also, if your current school officials deny your request to permit another institution to contact you about transferring, they must tell you in writing that you have a right to appeal the decision. In that instance, a panel of individuals from your current school who are not involved in athletics will conduct a hearing to decide the issue..