I'm pretty sure we already knew he was not interested anymore, but it looks like Jarion Henry finally committed to New Mexico today.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/167/page/onthetrail/class/2011
Was mentioned in threads last night ;)
But this is good news. Henry really strikes me as the kind of guy we don't want. Maybe he's classier than his Twitter and that video about hooking up and being "one and done" indicates, but he really strikes me as someone whose character was revealed over the past couple months, and definitely not in a good way. I'll be curious to see how UNM is taking this, a number of their fans were posting and calling in to radio shows that they didn't want Alford to take him anymore. I'd be surprised if he had a more notable college career than Josh Selby did, and that's setting the bar pretty low.
eh...im sick of reading deep into threads with no news.
Amazing--we lose out on a quality recuit, and somebody thinks that is good news!!!
Hmmmmm... more defense of the Buzzter's recruiting?
Quote from: willie warrior on April 25, 2011, 04:54:51 PM
Amazing--we lose out on a quality recuit, and somebody thinks that is good news!!!
Hmmmmm... more defense of the Buzzter's recruiting?
http://highschoolsportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2011/04/kimball-f-jarion-henrys-youtube-video-ma.html
I believe if you read this article, you wouldn't want him at MU either. Some New Mexico fans apparently aren't too happy about him either.
Dumb highschooler stuff or a major problem down the road? Time will tell.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 25, 2011, 04:54:51 PM
Amazing--we lose out on a quality recuit, and somebody thinks that is good news!!!
Hmmmmm... more defense of the Buzzter's recruiting?
I've been thinking this for the past two weeks, and mentioned it yesterday before Henry announced. I've been following his Twitter, which made him seem arrogant, but the "one and done" video was simply bad. This kid seems to care about nothing but getting laid and going to the NBA, never mind that he's not rated near where one would expect a sure-fire "one and done" to be. Everything about him screams cancer.
While Buzz has let me down in recruiting battles before, this isn't one of those. This kid isn't Aaric Murray, or Rodney Hood, or BJ Young, or Mike Shaw, or any of the other top 100 kids I felt we had a shot with and was disappointed to see go elsewhere.
Landing Jarion Henry is like having a night of fabulous sex and drugs with Pamela Anderson. It might look good at first, but you'll feel dirty afterward and probably come down with Hep C and HIV. I'll pass on that kind of good time.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 25, 2011, 04:54:51 PM
Amazing--we lose out on a quality recuit, and somebody thinks that is good news!!!
Hmmmmm... more defense of the Buzzter's recruiting?
Quality recruit? Says who?
The one-and-done can work for recruiting (see post-Derrick Rose Memphis) but it's not good for a program (see UCLA).
But regarding Henry, unless the recruiting services are wrong, he's not a one-and-done talent. The only person saying he is is him. This isn't a Harrison Barnes or Quincy Miller or even Jereme Richmond level recruit. This kid is more Isaiah Armwood, Tarik Black, Jared Swopshire, or Jon Leuer. He could become a good player, but nothing about his game suggests he's one year away from the NBA.
We didn't lose out. We had stopped recruiting him.
Are you really as big of an idiot as you come appear to be in this forum or is it just an act?
Either way its pretty convincing........ ::)
Quote from: willie warrior on April 25, 2011, 04:54:51 PM
Amazing--we lose out on a quality recuit, and somebody thinks that is good news!!!
Hmmmmm... more defense of the Buzzter's recruiting?
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 25, 2011, 07:33:14 PM
While Buzz has let me down in recruiting battles before, this isn't one of those. This kid isn't Aaric Murray, or Rodney Hood, or BJ Young, or Mike Shaw, or any of the other top 100 kids I felt we had a shot with and was disappointed to see go elsewhere.
He let you down? Really?
It was also my impression that we "cooled" on him.
I wouldn't say willie is an idiot though.... seems a bit harsh (though cooled by smiley face apparently)
Quote from: MuMark on April 25, 2011, 08:54:05 PM
We didn't lose out. We had stopped recruiting him.
Are you really as big of an idiot as you come appear to be in this forum or is it just an act?
Either way its pretty convincing........ ::)
Quote from: TedBaxter on April 25, 2011, 09:05:48 PMHe let you down? Really?
Not as though I lost sleep over any of it, but I was disappointed to not come away with any of the top 100 guys we were in on earlier this year. I think we'll be fine, and I think Buzz is doing a great job, but that doesn't mean that I didn't feel a bit deflated to see Hood, Shaw, Faust, and Harrison all go elsewhere within the span of a few days.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 25, 2011, 09:11:35 PM
Not as though I lost sleep over any of it, but I was disappointed to not come away with any of the top 100 guys we were in on earlier this year. I think we'll be fine, and I think Buzz is doing a great job, but that doesn't mean that I didn't feel a bit deflated to see Hood, Shaw, Faust, and Harrison all go elsewhere within the span of a few days.
(cough, cough) Juan Anderson (cough, cough)
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 25, 2011, 09:11:35 PM
Not as though I lost sleep over any of it, but I was disappointed to not come away with any of the top 100 guys we were in on earlier this year. I think we'll be fine, and I think Buzz is doing a great job, but that doesn't mean that I didn't feel a bit deflated to see Hood, Shaw, Faust, and Harrison all go elsewhere within the span of a few days.
I heard that Dawson and two of the four you mention were "ours" if Buzz had been willing "to play the game". Maybe you should be happy with Buzz instead of disappointed.
Quote from: MuMark on April 25, 2011, 08:54:05 PM
We didn't lose out. We had stopped recruiting him.
Are you really as big of an idiot as you come appear to be in this forum or is it just an act?
Either way its pretty convincing........ ::)
Your insults and name calling are representative of the fact that you Sir, cannot handle crticism of your Kool Aid habit.
Williams is now making 2.5 million a year, and should be landing big time recruits--not losing 14 games. $2.5 million is big time, so let's start thinking big time.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 26, 2011, 06:10:15 AM
Your insults and name calling are representative of the fact that you Sir, cannot handle crticism of your Kool Aid habit.
Williams is now making 2.5 million a year, and should be landing big time recruits--not losing 14 games. $2.5 million is big time, so let's start thinking big time.
Buzz could be making $10 million, I still wouldn't want anything to do with Jarion Henry.
Does Pam really have all those bad diseases?
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on April 26, 2011, 06:20:27 AM
Does Pam really have all those bad diseases?
Hep C, yes, HIV, no.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 26, 2011, 06:10:15 AM
Williams is now making 2.5 million a year, and should be landing big time recruits--not losing 14 games. $2.5 million is big time, so let's start thinking big time.
Honest question:
If Buzz was already wealthy (owned part of google or something), and coached MU for free, would your expectations be really low? Would you be satisfied missing the tournament year in and year out as long as he wasn't getting paid?
I'm sorry, I just don't get the whole higher salary = "fans demand more" thing.
It's MU's $, and Cottingham's budget. He's the only one who should be worried about it. Not the fans.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 26, 2011, 06:10:15 AM
Williams is now making 2.5 million a year, and should be landing big time recruits--not losing 14 games. $2.5 million is big time, so let's start thinking big time.
Juan Anderson is basically the same type of player, and is ranked higher by Rivals. MU's name has really not been listed with Henry since the fall anywhere that I have seen outside of MUScoop. If you remember, Henry was supposed to come to Marquette Madness, but then that trip got cancelled after the Anderson commit. My guess is that there hasn't been much interest by either party since then.
We have an abundance at that position. If that video really represents who he is and it isn't just some kid goofing, than I don't think we want him. This isn't a failure by Buzz and co, it is a good decision. If ever there was a year to sign a Mbao-type player and let him redshirt, this is it.
MU has more talent top to bottom on the roster (12player's+Singelton) then they have had in 25 years. Buzz recruited all of them? I'm not sure how you can argue that he has not recruited at a top 25 level? Buzz has gone to the NCAA 3 years in a row and is 3-3 in the Tournament? Again most people would conisder that top 25 results. Buzz is probably around the 25th highest paid coach in the NCAA when you factor everything in. Most people are putting us around 15th in the country for next year. How many top 100's are on the Roster. Juan, Blue, JJ, Wilson, JR, EW, I count half. With most of the Top teams bringing in 3 or 4 per year that does not leave allot to go around. The thing you forget is he is doing this in Milwaukee which does not have much talent. We have a large state school to compete with for the WISC talent, and Milwaukee nationally does not have a very high profile. We pay Buzz top 25 money and we are getting top 25 results. This year we were inconsisitent but more talented, last year we were less talented and more consistent. If you look at the guys that were looking at Henry he was lightly recruited by the High Major's, and ended up going to a Mid. 95% of the time that happens is because the High's think he is not talented enough or because he has more baggage then they want to deal with. In Henry's case I would say he is both. Willie for someone who knows so much about recruiting I would have thought you would know this is you followed Henry's recruitment over the last 8 months.
Questions about his attitude aside, he didn't fit a crying need. Since we only have 2 more scholarships to give over this year and next, Buzz was shrewd to pass on him. Henry's 6'7 185 lbs. and according to Scout his weaknesses include 3-point shooting and lack of strength. How his someone that size and with those deficiencies going to get time next season on a team that already includes more well-rounded forwards like Wilson, Williams, Crowder and Anderson?
Quote from: kmwtrucks on April 26, 2011, 09:09:24 AM
MU has more talent top to bottom on the roster (12player's+Singelton) then they have had in 25 years. Buzz recruited all of them? I'm not sure how you can argue that he has not recruited at a top 25 level? Buzz has gone to the NCAA 3 years in a row and is 3-3 in the Tournament? Again most people would conisder that top 25 results. Buzz is probably around the 25th highest paid coach in the NCAA when you factor everything in. Most people are putting us around 15th in the country for next year. How many top 100's are on the Roster. Juan, Blue, JJ, Wilson, JR, EW, I count half. With most of the Top teams bringing in 3 or 4 per year that does not leave allot to go around. The thing you forget is he is doing this in Milwaukee which does not have much talent. We have a large state school to compete with for the WISC talent, and Milwaukee nationally does not have a very high profile. We pay Buzz top 25 money and we are getting top 25 results. This year we were inconsisitent but more talented, last year we were less talented and more consistent. If you look at the guys that were looking at Henry he was lightly recruited by the High Major's, and ended up going to a Mid. 95% of the time that happens is because the High's think he is not talented enough or because he has more baggage then they want to deal with. In Henry's case I would say he is both. Willie for someone who knows so much about recruiting I would have thought you would know this is you followed Henry's recruitment over the last 8 months.
Here we go again with the same mantra of excuses. We are not a top 5 program, you can't recruit to Milwaukee, we are getting top 25 reults, we must compete with Bucky, weather not good in Wisconsin, not enough good looking girls at MU, yadda, yadda.
Milwaukee is a good city, MU has excellent facililities, plays in an NBA arena, is a good school, plays in the best conference in country, and has a rich tradition. Not saying Henry is a world beater, but he is ranked on par with Anderson. Ninth place in Beast is not world beating either. Hope Anderson works out. My comment was made because somebody said it was good news that we did not recruit Henry. I guess you could make the same argument about Vander if we had not landed him with that logic. Let me know when Buzz starts pulling in some big time studs--his salary should warrant the occasional top 25 guys. We need to start seeing that. Have not yet--maybe Ferguson but he is two years away.
Quote from: kmwtrucks on April 26, 2011, 09:09:24 AM
MU has more talent top to bottom on the roster (12player's+Singelton) then they have had in 25 years. Buzz recruited all of them? I'm not sure how you can argue that he has not recruited at a top 25 level? Buzz has gone to the NCAA 3 years in a row and is 3-3 in the Tournament? Again most people would conisder that top 25 results. Buzz is probably around the 25th highest paid coach in the NCAA when you factor everything in. Most people are putting us around 15th in the country for next year. How many top 100's are on the Roster. Juan, Blue, JJ, Wilson, JR, EW, I count half. With most of the Top teams bringing in 3 or 4 per year that does not leave allot to go around. The thing you forget is he is doing this in Milwaukee which does not have much talent. We have a large state school to compete with for the WISC talent, and Milwaukee nationally does not have a very high profile. We pay Buzz top 25 money and we are getting top 25 results. This year we were inconsisitent but more talented, last year we were less talented and more consistent....
Well said. +1
willie....you used the excuse of not getting Henry to accuse others on this board of defending "the Buzzster's recruiting."
However, it doesn't look like "the Buzzster" has been recruiting Henry for months. For whatever reason...he didn't like his attitude, he signed Anderson, Henry didn't want to come here....we don't know.
So if you are going to crap on "the Buzzster's recruiting," you should probably use a better example than Jarion Henry. And you are going to have to go a long way to convince many Scoopers that "the Buzzster" has issues with recruiting considering this is the most talented MU team top-to-bottom that I can recall in the last 20 years or so. Maybe KO's Sweet 16 was better...
Everyone for sure that someone isn't leaving? Just axing.
Yes, willie, I said that we are better off without Henry. I firmly believe we would be better off with an empty scholarship than a player with the attitude, mindset, and arrogance of Henry. I believe that he is a "me-first" player who would only serve to disrupt the team, while complaining the entire time about how he couldn't get minutes off the bench because he had to compete behind Wilson and Crowder. I believe that the absolute best case scenario we could get with him is that he would be a mid-season transfer, ala Jeronne Maymon, only without the psycho dad (he provides the psycho himself).
Are you saying that you would vouch for Henry's character? Are you saying that you think based on his actions over the past few months that you think he will be a team-oriented guy willing to guy into any system that doesn't make him the focal point from day one? Have you listened to anything Henry has said? "I am gods gift to basketball." "I am one-and-done, I'm going to the League." ""All you females over there at (hard to decipher) who want to get with a real <blank>, a real state golden <blank> state medal winner, then holler at me, man."
Is that the kind of kid you want representing Marquette? When he failed to earn playing time as a freshman (and if Erik Williams and Jamail Jones couldn't get time, why would he?) what do you think he'd do? Would he accept it gracefully, or would he scream and pout, upsetting the applecart along the way?
This has nothing to do with not being an elite program. This has nothing to do with not getting results. This has nothing to do with recruiting to Milwaukee, or the girls on campus, or our tradition, or our results. This has everything to do with Henry portraying himself as a negative contribution. If he's really so desirable, why did he go to the Mountain West? Why not Arizona or Oregon in the PAC-12? Why not Georgetown or Marquette in the Big East? Why not Oklahoma or Baylor in the Big 12? Why not any of the other schools that looked at him, expressed some interest, but in the end backed off and said "pass". Do you really think he grew up dreaming of being a Lobo? Hell, the kid was ready to blow them off for Kentucky a week ago, but apparently the interest from Calipari didn't match Henry's desire to go there, so he was stuck picking UNM, a place where 60% of the radio callers were saying Alford should stop recruiting him after his YouTube video came out.
I'm all for top-level recruits, but Henry is NOT a top-level recruit. He's barely top 100 in the rankings, and only considered a three-star prospect by some services. And he comes across as a grade-A ass, which likely kept him from going to a high-major conference. I look at the interview we saw recently with Butler, or listen to the comments from Anderson, Poythress, and Kris Dunn, or the possibility of a future recruiting top 100 players in Milwaukee like Kevon Looney and Ricky Landers, and I hope for those types of guys. Hard workers that emulate what Marquette has been about under Buzz.
Henry isn't that. He's a self-absorbed, me-first player whose talent doesn't come close to his ego. Pass. Pass pass pass pass pass.
We are honestly better off without him.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 26, 2011, 11:04:24 AM
Everyone for sure that someone isn't leaving? Just axing.
Well, you would think it would have been announced by now. But who kmows? Jamil's transfer wasn't announced until their academic year ended in June.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 26, 2011, 10:51:20 AM
Here we go again with the same mantra of excuses. We are not a top 5 program, you can't recruit to Milwaukee, we are getting top 25 reults, we must compete with Bucky, weather not good in Wisconsin, not enough good looking girls at MU, yadda, yadda.
Milwaukee is a good city, MU has excellent facililities, plays in an NBA arena, is a good school, plays in the best conference in country, and has a rich tradition. Not saying Henry is a world beater, but he is ranked on par with Anderson. Ninth place in Beast is not world beating either. Hope Anderson works out. My comment was made because somebody said it was good news that we did not recruit Henry. I guess you could make the same argument about Vander if we had not landed him with that logic. Let me know when Buzz starts pulling in some big time studs--his salary should warrant the occasional top 25 guys. We need to start seeing that. Have not yet--maybe Ferguson but he is two years away.
He's not making excuses. He is saying that your view of MU's recruiting is around 180 degrees from reality. We HAVE top 25 talent. We WENT to the sweet 16. We WILL be ranked next year. This is the fullest that MU's glass of talent has been from 1-12 in 35 years. That isn't exuses. We missed out on a recruit that we didn't really need.
willie is an idiot. Stop feeding the troll.
Player's don't pick schools by how much the coach makes. I would say the 3 biggest factor's would be results, Location (they would like to stay near home or they have been a fan of the school since they were kids) and the last would be relationship with the Coach. I think facilities are behind all these, as well as Historical tradition, and Academic's. I think we are very strong in 4,5,and 6.
Results: We have been very good, But not great. To be a elite program we need to keep moving this up.
Location:With better results we might get a stronger fan base in Wisc and the Midwest but most of us would agree that more kids grow up Badger fans then Mu fans at this point. This will probably never be our strength.
Relationship:I think of the 3 Buzz is the best at this. He is has more non basketball dialogue with player's and recruits then most top programs. He also works hard showing his face at games.
Saturday night, I was watching OSU playing New Mexico, and I was wondering why there were no mention of Jarion Henry. Well, it turns out he didn't graduate high school, was never cleared by the NCAA, and is now in prep school in California. He has re-classified to a 2012 prospect and will be going to Oklahoma.
Looks like Buzz didn't miss out on anything.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on December 19, 2011, 01:05:10 PM
Saturday night, I was watching OSU playing New Mexico, and I was wondering why there were no mention of Jarion Henry. Well, it turns out he didn't graduate high school, was never cleared by the NCAA, and is now in prep school in California. He has re-classified to a 2012 prospect and will be going to Oklahoma.
Looks like Buzz didn't miss out on anything.
Always interesting to reread these old threads. Credit to Brew, looks like he was right on the money regarding Henry.... As for our old friend willie, not so much.
I miss willie. It would almost be worth losing a game if that meant he reappeared.
I miss bma.
Quote from: RJax55 on December 19, 2011, 01:12:40 PM
Always interesting to reread these old threads. Credit to Brew, looks like he was right on the money regarding Henry.... As for our old friend willie, not so much.
I love that someone can find a thread from 8 months ago and make a relevant point on it, yet we still get 7 different threads started with some variation of "OMG! ESPN Marquette yadda yadda" separated by a few minutes apiece.
Agreed. I miss BMA for his insights and knowledge. I miss Willie for the opposite reason.
A couple of weeks ago I wrote in another thread that I missed Willie.
After re-reading this, I retract that remark.