Heck of a nice stat line for DG. Pretty impressive considering going up against the length and athleticism of Zeller and Henson. How he is able to use his body/footwork/touch..is really encouraging. He's got a bright future. IF he can keep getting himself in better and better shape..we'll have a special post player.
6-9FG 4-5FT 6REB 16pts in 18 minutes of action..
Agreed. Upside is great...he is only a freshman!
If can improve his defense, so he can stay on the floor, he could score 12-14 pts per game next year.
DG played well tonight.
He needs to lose 25 pounds of fat and gain 15 pounds of muscle and keep working on his defense. He's going to be a force.
I can't wait to see his sophomore season.
Otule is the back up, Gardner is the man. If people cannot yet see that he is our future, well I am sorry for those people.
DG has three big ingredients for a C; soft hands, good footwork and a nice touch. Otule will back him up next year after he de-pounds, adds some quickness and refines his defense. His only limitation is his height. I love DG but Buzz still needs to add some quality height.
lack of jumping ability is another liability, however he can always learn to get better positioning.
Davante still has a long way to go fitness-wise. Hopefully one offseason will be enough to condition him. If he can lose that 25 pounds of fat and add 15 pounds of muscle, he'll be fantastic, but that's a lot of work to do. My expectation now is that he and Otule will be able to split time next year, but in an ideal world, I'd like to see Otule and Gardner both averaging 22-25 mpg. Which would mean some time of them playing together. If Gardner slims a bit and can run the floor, there's no reason they can't play 5-10 minutes together, especially against slower paced teams. That could be a real force inside.
Both Otule and Gardner are role players, at best. For the Warriors to contend for a championship in both the BE and national scene, a better player needs to be recruited for the post. It's a big man's game, right Zeller?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 25, 2011, 10:47:42 PM
Both Otule and Gardner are role players, at best. For the Warriors to contend for a championship in both the BE and national scene, a better player needs to be recruited for the post. It's a big man's game, right Zeller?
I disagree with you, 4ever. I think Gardener is a potential stud. Zeller had a great game, but he's soft. If we can channel Gardner's ability and aggressiveness we're going to have something. Say what you want about him physically, but attitude-wise he's not soft.
DG better lose 20 to 25lbs this offseason
I agree he can get in better shape, but to say he's not athletic now is wrong. He doesn't look it, but he is. Look at that pass he made between his legs tonight....a non-athletic (not to mention coordinated) person doesn't make that.
role players arent a bad thing. if you get enough of them you have a really good team, assuming they're solid in their roles...
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 25, 2011, 10:51:49 PM
I disagree with you, 4ever. I think Gardener is a potential stud. Zeller had a great game, but he's soft. If we can channel Gardner's ability and aggressiveness we're going to have something. Say what you want about him physically, but attitude-wise he's not soft.
This. No way Gardner is a role player.
Like what I saw from him this season. One more boot camp will do wonders for his quickness on both ends and he will evolve into a real big threat down low. Gotta love the ox from king's fork.
Also liked what I saw from DG on defense in the first half. Played noticeably better on defense until picking up a cheap foul, at which point he backed off a bit -- if he keeps up the tempo that he showed early he will be at least as good as Chris is on defense.
Gardner will only get better. When he is comfortable passing back to the wing when he is not in good position or doubled, we will get a ton of open 3's. Right now, when he gets the ball (without a cutter), he is making his moves regardless of post position or double. Small point, but it will make him a much better post player.
Quote from: National Champs on March 25, 2011, 11:07:44 PM
Like what I saw from him this season. One more boot camp will do wonders for his quickness on both ends and he will evolve into a real big threat down low. Gotta love the ox from king's fork.
It isn't a boot camp solution. DG needs to look at a guy like Blair from Pitt and realize he is managing a business every time he hits the dining table. Blair was a great player in the BE but made some dietary decisions after joining the NBA that have worked to his advantage. He is obviously the best low post scoring threat as a freshman for MU since Damon Key??? Davante's potential is enormous and it's great how the coaches have brought him along this year. It seems that DG and CO have a good relationship that will cause them to challenge each other and make both of them better players.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 25, 2011, 10:10:22 PM
Davante still has a long way to go fitness-wise. Hopefully one offseason will be enough to condition him. If he can lose that 25 pounds of fat and add 15 pounds of muscle, he'll be fantastic, but that's a lot of work to do. My expectation now is that he and Otule will be able to split time next year, but in an ideal world, I'd like to see Otule and Gardner both averaging 22-25 mpg. Which would mean some time of them playing together. If Gardner slims a bit and can run the floor, there's no reason they can't play 5-10 minutes together, especially against slower paced teams. That could be a real force inside.
Yep
Gardner showed way more promise than i expected when he was signed, but how much he develops going forward will largely be dictated on how much work he puts into getting in significantly better shape.
He had advanced post skills for a freshman and really knows how to use his bulk down there, but he gets gassed very quickly and struggles to defend/rebound better because he's simply to heavy.
That said, i believe he's lost 20 to 30 pounds from his senior year in high school, so that shows some effort. He'll being going home soon though and that's where he really has to show discipline and not add on weight.
Do some of you really think Ox can start over Chris? Tonight he was great. I love how he doesn't let anyone stand in his way and won't back down. However, the improvement Otule put in this year I think will happen all over again. I hope DG can surprise us next year (as only a soph.!) but I still see him being the role player Chris. Hope he proves me wrong.
CO has had more time to learn but my guess is that we still see a lot offensive-defensive substitutions the next two years.
Gardner needs to be in the games much more next season.
Quote from: 96warrior on March 25, 2011, 11:04:23 PM
This. No way Gardner is a role player.
I think he can be somewhere between the overly excited view of him being a future stud and just a role player.
If he can get in better condition each year he's with the team, i can see him becoming a guy who averages around 20mpg, but also a guy who is a real offensive force in those minutes.
A role player is Joe Fulce, Gardner can be significantly more important even if his size may never allow him to play a ton of minutes every night even if he's being effective.
There is no reason both Otule and Gardner can't be on the floor at the same time. Just stop asking our big guys to provide defense above the three. With only one guy in the box we continue to see inside mismatches. We wouldn't require triple teams on the post resulting in too many open threes and wide open cutters and offensive rebounds.
Devante played an excellent game. It seemed that he was the only player that could score throughout the game. Agreed that he should continue to develop his body. Also, think that MU needs at least one more athletic big man. Hope Buzz can sign one this spring.
Quote from: buzzchiapet on March 26, 2011, 12:03:27 AM
Do some of you really think Ox can start over Chris? Tonight he was great. I love how he doesn't let anyone stand in his way and won't back down. However, the improvement Otule put in this year I think will happen all over again. I hope DG can surprise us next year (as only a soph.!) but I still see him being the role player Chris. Hope he proves me wrong.
Yes--he can start over Otule , should, and will!! Deal with it. It is a fact.
Gardner lacks on defence in games, that is what cost him in playtime this season.
He looked good. I said a couple of months ago that the best thing for this year's team was for Chris to start and DG to come off the bench, but the roles could easily be reversed next year. I've seen nothing that changes that. But, more importantly, for the first time this millenium, (assuming no changes) we go into a season with our 5 not being a liability. Both guys are going to get their minutes next year.
He will only get better.
I love Gardner's disposition. He has that "no stage is too big for me" attitiude. From his first minute at MU he's expected to score when he wants to.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 25, 2011, 10:10:22 PM
Davante still has a long way to go fitness-wise. Hopefully one offseason will be enough to condition him. If he can lose that 25 pounds of fat and add 15 pounds of muscle, he'll be fantastic, but that's a lot of work to do.
Otule can play the 5 and Gardner can play the 4. I agree that what is standing in his way is his fitness. He reminds me of that 4 on the George Mason team that went to the Final 4 a few years ago.
Davante has to get in shape. I don't know how he is in that poor of shape playing in a program like MU that has a strength and conditioning program.
Quote from: El Duderino on March 26, 2011, 12:29:58 AM
A role player is Joe Fulce, Gardner can be significantly more important even if his size may never allow him to play a ton of minutes every night even if he's being effective.
My knee jerk reaction to this was, Fulce isn't a role player...but then I thought twice about it and thought, he's the definition of a role player. Wonder what he might have been had he not suffered through all of those injuries. When he went down in that pre-season game, that could have been it - what a warrior to come back and provide valuable, meaningful minutes down the stretch.
It would be interesting to put both Otule and Gardner on the floor at the same time. They play such yin-yang games. If in the off-season they can work on their chemistry, get into a groove of playing off of each other, it could lead to a major shift in our game. Particularly for a program that has always been so guard-dominant.
When one has a good game and the other one has a not so good game, we seem to herald one and belittle the other. Otule has had major impact across the whole of the season. Against teams in the tourney, he's had a harder time staying out of foul trouble. Is that a transition thing having played so physical in the Big East? Maybe. I love Otule and what he has done, and his potential. Feel the same way about Ox. Really excited to see how we come out this fall.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 25, 2011, 10:47:42 PM
Both Otule and Gardner are role players, at best. For the Warriors to contend for a championship in both the BE and national scene, a better player needs to be recruited for the post. It's a big man's game, right Zeller?
You are wrong about Gardner. A freshman role plarer will not ring up 16 against UNC. Gardner has some reall skills and will absolutely get better. I am excited to see him play next year. Chris is a serviceable backup.
No question Davante made huge strides this year, and has a very high ceiling on the offensive end. I think he got a lot better on D as the year went on. Aside from his fitness, I still say he needs to develop some moves going to his left. He turns right almost without exception, and still managed to be effective. Some moves to the left would help give him some space rather than having to force it up through a defender and hope for a foul or make a very tough shot with his soft touch.
I can recall several players who had weight issue. Alas...old fart that I am I am blanking on a name. Hank Raymond recruited this center who was so huge one reporter said he should "go condo". Dameon Key had a lot of potential & after his junior year I thought he would have a great senior year. Instead he gained weight, played soft & lost some of his speed. Gardner was in better shape than he was in high school. If he return sans flab & with better muscle mass. Well, that's all up to him....
Old fart, you trying to recollect Lloyd Moore?
Otule and Gardner BOTH need to get in better shape. While DG's weight issue is obvious, CO looked gassed in both the BE and NCAA tourneys. It would be nice if they could stay on the floor for more than five minutes at a time.
DG looked great, i love his attitude and body language on the floor, its like he has "get the @#$& away from me" stamped on his forehead all the time.
I dont know why everyone says he needs to lose weight, and then people say, yeah he really knows how to throw his bulk around in the post. I dont think he needs to lose weight. I say keep the weight, just turn some of it to muscle and start running on a treadmill with a ho-ho dangling in front of him to get him in shape.
Really gonna be interesting to see him and Otule compete with each other and make each other better.
Here is the one thing I mention about DG a lot that I dont see many post.
HE CAN MAKE HIS FREE THROWS. Hes got a really solid stroke so you know hes not a fluke and will regress, hes actually got a real shot for a big man. A guy with his strength and footwork is going to get to the line A LOT as his PT increases and if he can knock em down at 70-75% thats an extra like 6 pts right there. He shot one terrible yesterday and was pissed at himself. Not many big men are pissed at a missed freebie.
Hes going to lose some weight and with his brute strength and footwork he will be great. Im pumped for him. Also seemed to have a good connection with Junior.
Our nickname for Gardner is "Force of Nature". In two years, if not sooner, he is going to be an indestructible force of nature on the court.
Quote from: 96warrior on March 26, 2011, 09:18:39 AM
My knee jerk reaction to this was, Fulce isn't a role player...but then I thought twice about it and thought, he's the definition of a role player. Wonder what he might have been had he not suffered through all of those injuries. When he went down in that pre-season game, that could have been it - what a warrior to come back and provide valuable, meaningful minutes down the stretch.
I overheard a conversation between a Marquette assistant and former player at IWB's pro-am about Fulce. They discussed how he was clearly the best athlete on the team when he was healthy. From the sound of the convo, if not for his injuries, the expectation was that Fulce and not Butler was expected to be the star when Lazar left. Oh what might have been...
Another of Hank's centers was Odell Ball. He was a much slighter DG who could rebound and put back shots but did not have the soft touch. DG is very special in this regard. If DG plays more post and CO backs him say a 55/45 ratio than what the Warriors really need is a tall, strong, athletic PF to complement them both. Does Jae, Jamil Wilson and maybe Juan Anderson together fulfill this role? Or is there someone else out there, say from the JC ranks?
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 26, 2011, 02:15:35 PM
I overheard a conversation between a Marquette assistant and former player at IWB's pro-am about Fulce. They discussed how he was clearly the best athlete on the team when he was healthy. From the sound of the convo, if not for his injuries, the expectation was that Fulce and not Butler was expected to be the star when Lazar left. Oh what might have been...
That falls in line with what Rosiak and others said about Fulce after watching him play in open gyms during the summer of 2008. Rosiak, if I recall correctly, described him as a Shawn Marion-type player. Unfortunately, it seems injuries never allowed him to reach his full potential.
Quote from: DoggyDaddy on March 26, 2011, 03:53:31 PM
Another of Hank's centers was Odell Ball. He was a much slighter DG who could rebound and put back shots but did not have the soft touch. DG is very special in this regard. If DG plays more post and CO backs him say a 55/45 ratio than what the Warriors really need is a tall, strong, athletic PF to complement them both. Does Jae, Jamil Wilson and maybe Juan Anderson together fulfill this role? Or is there someone else out there, say from the JC ranks?
Just give us a Yancy Gates type PF and the team will be dangerous. An intimidator PF who can rebound and be a presence under boards.
He has a chance to be a really nice player but jumping ability will determine how far he goes. Good hands and decent feet. If he improves jumping ability by wide margin sky is the limit. If his "ups" stay down on the floor I do not think he is top level BE center.
Quote from: Goose on March 26, 2011, 06:38:40 PM
He has a chance to be a really nice player but jumping ability will determine how far he goes. Good hands and decent feet. If he improves jumping ability by wide margin sky is the limit. If his "ups" stay down on the floor I do not think he is top level BE center.
I'm one of those nuts that finds it nice to get to games extremely early, and before every game, after the warm-ups are about finished, they throw alley-oops to all the players. At the beginning of the year Gardner wouldn't even try to dunk it off the catch, and by the end of the year he could usually dunk it on the fly. One attempt he ended up on his butt, and I really thought he'd be hurt, but in the end it was only his pride that was hurt. The way he played against NC was extremely impressive given where he started at the beginning of the year. I really like to see the progress Otule and Gardner have made, and I think it will help MU land more big men as time goes on.
Quote from: Goose on March 26, 2011, 06:38:40 PM
He has a chance to be a really nice player but jumping ability will determine how far he goes. Good hands and decent feet. If he improves jumping ability by wide margin sky is the limit. If his "ups" stay down on the floor I do not think he is top level BE center.
Dejuan Blair could never jump and he was a top-level BEast center. Gardner didn't come in as well-regarded as Blair did, but if you swap 25 pounds of fat for 15 pounds of muscle, he could be a devastating force even without high hops.
The problem with having Ox and CO on the floor at the same time, is that I have no idea who guards the four. The problem is at this point, neither one of them is really good guarding a guy out in space and away from the basket. Now, if Ox gets more foot speed that might change, but right now he's a center and only a center.
Umm......we have the two of them together for 2 more years. They will both have their moments and situations were they excel.
It's been awhile since we have had experienced options at the post. Let's enjoy it!
He's only a freshman and scores 16 in the SWEET 16! The guy only has an upside
Quote from: Badgerhater on March 26, 2011, 07:24:41 PM
Umm......we have the two of them together for 2 more years. They will both have their moments and situations were they excel.
It's been awhile since we have had experienced options at the post. Let's enjoy it!
Thank you. And they both improved by leaps and bounds this year. Gardner, I think, was listed at 295 when he came in, and idiot announcers continued to say that he was 295 when he clearly wasn't any more. There is no reason to believe that he will not continue to improve his body. Otule's defense got much better - both help and in the post. Against UConn, he was the one who could defend the ball screen with Kemba when Fulce couldn't. On offense, I don't know if people remember, but the pass into the post pretty much had to be fired into his gut for him to catch it. Against Syracuse he did a great job catching soft passes in the post and passing out. He struggled against the length of UNC, but that's part of getting better too.
Doesn't have to be one over the other. I too am excited about both Otule and Gardner. They both work extremely hard to get good post position, which I love, and both seem to have a great will to improve their total game.
The one thing I would like to see Buzz do next year is at times let Gardner move outside a little
bit. MU played a total low post offense but what I see is a kid who should be able to move out
and get some easy 15 foot shots. He has a smooth shot from the free throw line so I bet he can
face the basket and make a few outside shots. MU does a lot of pick and rolls, with Gardner I
think you can pick and pop, utilize his outside shot.
Gardner is a significant back to the basket center. He has great hands, solid footwork and draws fouls against even bigger centers. Until proven, Otule is questionable making the catch in traffic. I've got to believe his sight problem affects his depth perception and that probably won't improve. However Chris is a decent shooter. I'd love to see him tried at the PF with Gardner at center.
Quote from: karavotsos on March 26, 2011, 07:35:32 PM
Thank you. And they both improved by leaps and bounds this year. Gardner, I think, was listed at 295 when he came in, and idiot announcers continued to say that he was 295 when he clearly wasn't any more. There is no reason to believe that he will not continue to improve his body. Otule's defense got much better - both help and in the post. Against UConn, he was the one who could defend the ball screen with Kemba when Fulce couldn't. On offense, I don't know if people remember, but the pass into the post pretty much had to be fired into his gut for him to catch it. Against Syracuse he did a great job catching soft passes in the post and passing out. He struggled against the length of UNC, but that's part of getting better too.
Doesn't have to be one over the other. I too am excited about both Otule and Gardner. They both work extremely hard to get good post position, which I love, and both seem to have a great will to improve their total game.
I don't think the "idiot announcers" have access to the team weigh-ins.
Marquette lists him at 290 both on the website and in the post-season media guide.
They have eyes.
Quote from: karavotsos on March 27, 2011, 10:00:36 AM
They have eyes.
Which they use to read the roster information provided by the school.
Announcers are not "idiots" simply because they read a player's height or weight off the media guide the schools give them. Nor are they "idiots" for not taking time during the course of calling a game to evaluate whether the schools' sports information staff has listed a players' height or weight accurately.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 26, 2011, 11:31:34 PM
The one thing I would like to see Buzz do next year is at times let Gardner move outside a little
bit. MU played a total low post offense but what I see is a kid who should be able to move out
and get some easy 15 foot shots. He has a smooth shot from the free throw line so I bet he can
face the basket and make a few outside shots. MU does a lot of pick and rolls, with Gardner I
think you can pick and pop, utilize his outside shot.
His HS coach said he was the best shooter on his team. The only thing that might prevent him from taking jumpers is the fact he can get deep post position anytime he wants and he is deadly when he gets it. He is going to be a BEAST next year.
Quote from: Marquette84 on March 27, 2011, 10:18:32 AM
Unlike the MU staff, who prepared the guide used by the media?
I'm guessing the media guide was prepared before the season. In my previous post I assumed that you were familiar with the concepts of time and change. I was simply attempting to make the point that Gardner has done a lot to change his body to become more athletic and ready to play at the NCAA level. When Dickie Simpkins looks at Gardner in January and gets on Gardner because he weighs 290-when if you look at the guy he's clearly not 290 anymore- I don't think its a fair or intelligent criticism. I guess the word idiot was a bit strong. I did not mean to offend the Dickie Simpkins fans out there. Simply was trying to say that Gardner has worked hard this year to get in shape and expect him to continue to do so. The comment about the announcers was simply meant to illustrate the change that has already occurred.
Quote from: DomJamesToTheBasket on March 27, 2011, 10:25:18 AM
His HS coach said he was the best shooter on his team. The only thing that might prevent him from taking jumpers is the fact he can get deep post position anytime he wants and he is deadly when he gets it. He is going to be a BEAST next year.
All the more reason he should be getting major minutes!!!
Stamina is a big problem. He looks exhausted at the FT line
Quote from: karavotsos on March 27, 2011, 10:43:37 AM
I'm guessing the media guide was prepared before the season. In my previous post I assumed that you were familiar with the concepts of time and change. I was simply attempting to make the point that Gardner has done a lot to change his body to become more athletic and ready to play at the NCAA level. When Dickie Simpkins looks at Gardner in January and gets on Gardner because he weighs 290-when if you look at the guy he's clearly not 290 anymore- I don't think its a fair or intelligent criticism. I guess the word idiot was a bit strong. I did not mean to offend the Dickie Simpkins fans out there. Simply was trying to say that Gardner has worked hard this year to get in shape and expect him to continue to do so. The comment about the announcers was simply meant to illustrate the change that has already occurred.
You guessed wrong. The special post-season media guide was not only NOT prepared before the year began--it was updated as recently as last week for the North Carolina game:
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/marq/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/mu_eastregional.pdf (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/marq/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/mu_eastregional.pdf)
While you've been following Gardner all season, do you really believe that any reporter went out and made a pre-season evaluation of his weight on the off chance that he'll be covering that team five months hence in a tournament game, and thus would need to be able to comment on how that player's weight changed?
Fact: Gardner was easily the beefiest player on the court for either team.
Fact: Marquette reported his weight--in a special media guide prepared especially for the tournament--as 290.
I don't think they're "idiots" for taking MU's word.
Quote from: DomJamesToTheBasket on March 27, 2011, 10:25:18 AM
The only thing that might prevent him from taking jumpers is the fact he can get deep post position anytime he wants and he is deadly when he gets it.
I think one of the prerequisites for shooting jumpers is the ability to actually jump, which is another thing that prevents Devante from shooting jumpers.
That being said, he does just fine around the hoop as long as there isn't too much long traffic in there. He's fun to watch and looks better every time I see him.
I'd really like to see what a line-up with both Gardner and Otule would do defensively offensively. I could see Buzz using that option later in games if neither are in foul trouble, and they (mostly Gardner) have better conditioning. If Gardner has an outside shooting touch, he could also be used to force other teams shot-blocking centers out of the lane, if MU wants to run a 5 out offense and really open things up for the "switchables" to attack the rim.
I think with some serious body work Gardner could be a Danny Fortson type player and really be a major impact player at the college level. I love his game as a freshmen.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2011, 10:54:22 AM
All the more reason he should be getting major minutes!!!
Yeah Willie, but he killed our recruiting class ranking that you use to judge Buzz.
Quote from: Marquette84 on March 27, 2011, 12:32:25 PM
You guessed wrong. The special post-season media guide was not only NOT prepared before the year began--it was updated as recently as last week for the North Carolina game:
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/marq/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/mu_eastregional.pdf (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/marq/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/mu_eastregional.pdf)
While you've been following Gardner all season, do you really believe that any reporter went out and made a pre-season evaluation of his weight on the off chance that he'll be covering that team five months hence in a tournament game, and thus would need to be able to comment on how that player's weight changed?
Fact: Gardner was easily the beefiest player on the court for either team.
Fact: Marquette reported his weight--in a special media guide prepared especially for the tournament--as 290.
I don't think they're "idiots" for taking MU's word.
My references to Dickie Simpkins could have tipped you off that I was not referring to any tournament announcer but rather to a regular season Big East TV announcer, specifically Dickie Simpkins. And if all an announcer does to prepare for a game is read a media guide, even if it doesn't make him an idiot, it also does not make him an especiallly good or even minimally prepared announcer. Thank you for the link to the post-season media guide.
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 27, 2011, 07:35:07 PM
I think one of the prerequisites for shooting jumpers is the ability to actually jump, which is another thing that prevents Devante from shooting jumpers.
That being said, he does just fine around the hoop as long as there isn't too much long traffic in there. He's fun to watch and looks better every time I see him.
I am not sure if most of you watched a really good players in the 60's was Wes Unseld, he could not jump at all
but became All-Pro in the NBA, undersized huge center that did have a nice outside shot that could not jump at
all. All it does is change the offense, a little bit and maybe have a high/low post game with Crowder. Buzz's half
court offense was weak against NC, sometimes you need a few more plays to run from a different set.
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 27, 2011, 07:35:07 PM
I think one of the prerequisites for shooting jumpers is the ability to actually jump, which is another thing that prevents Devante from shooting jumpers.
Most sharpshooters barely jump. Novak only jumped around 6" off the floor....same with Matthews. Shooting is all about consistency in form. If you jump around 6" off the ground it is easy for every jump to be within a couple of inches. If you jump 2 feet off the ground like Dominic, then you will have wild differences in the height you jump each time. This is why you don't jump for free throws.....you eliminate a superfluous mechanic. Everyone, when wide open should not jump high, but big guys can also get away with it when covered. All of the best big man shooters I can think of barely jumped!
Quote from: karavotsos on March 27, 2011, 09:22:55 PM
My references to Dickie Simpkins could have tipped you off that I was not referring to any tournament announcer but rather to a regular season Big East TV announcer, specifically Dickie Simpkins. And if all an announcer does to prepare for a game is read a media guide, even if it doesn't make him an idiot, it also does not make him an especiallly good or even minimally prepared announcer. Thank you for the link to the post-season media guide.
With all due respect, you didn't reference Simpkins in your first post, and you referred to annoucers in the plural.
I also assumed a post made on 3/26 was in reference to our most recent games.
"Gardner, I think, was listed at 295 when he came in, and idiot announcers continued to say that he was 295 when he clearly wasn't any more."
I guess, however, that I just can't picture this scene on Media Day: "Coach, on page 3 of your media guide you have Gardner listed at 290. I've seen him and he doesn't look a pound over 280. What do you have to say for yourself?"
Give these guys a break--they cover a two new teams every day or two, they're simply not going to go into the level of depth that you apparently think they should regarding a player's weight.
If MU told them that Gardner was 290, then they're going to say he's 290.
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