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Undoubtedly schools will try to make a run at him - if they haven't already through back channels, as is now the norm in the business. MU athletic director Steve Cottingham said Thursday none had called him to officially ask permission to speak to Williams.
Williams' contract with MU is a six-year rollover that's paying him $1.6 million this season. That figure will jump to more than $1.7 million later this year. A school such as Oklahoma or Tennessee could take Williams' annual salary over $2 million.
What could make Williams cost prohibitive, though, is a huge buyout. Worth $3.8 million in total, it's believed to be one of the biggest in college basketball. It's a built-in safeguard in the contract to protect MU from just these types of scenarios.
Cottingham said he's kept an open dialogue with Williams over the course of the season with regard to his deal as well as what he believes he needs to field a successful program at MU, and that more discussions will take place after the season.
"That doesn't have anything to do with what other people might recognize in him," Cottingham said. "We're doing that all the time. That's been our commitment to him since the day we hired him. We're going to do the right thing and treat him the right way, just as he's done the right thing and treated us the right way."
When asked if he believed Williams would remain as MU's coach, Cottingham was definitive in his response.
"Very much so," he said. "People should take him at his word."
Nice. Sounds like Buzz is in full agreement with the high buyout, and not trying to fight it.
That, said, a school could still pay all the money to get him, but it doesn't sound like SC has any reason to believe Buzz isn't happy. Plus, the rumored $2.2M (only an extra $500k next year), doesn't sound worth the headache of OU.
Of course, I'd gladly take 500k, but as opposed to Buzz, that's a multiple of my salary, instead of a fraction of it.
$3.8 mil buyout is pimp by Cottingham.
We may get burned again but we'll be getting paid this time, that's for darn sure.
A couple more things I read from the article -
"I think the test every day is, 'Can you stay the same? Can you remove your ego from this and no matter what the media says and no matter what the money is or no matter what the title is, can you do right?' "
Well, if we take Buzz at his word, that means a lot.
Cottingham said he's kept an open dialogue with Williams over the course of the season with regard to his deal as well as what he believes he needs to field a successful program at MU, and that more discussions will take place after the season.
Again, if we know anything about what happened at UNO, it's that Buzz didn't believe they were willing to do what was needed to "field a successful program". Whether these meetings are instigated by Buzz or Cottingham, it's a good sign they're having them.
The job right now is to concentrate on the next game and let the money decisions come afterward. All this is just a diversion Buzz and the team do not need right now
Quote from: elephantraker on March 25, 2011, 12:17:14 AM
The job right now is to concentrate on the next game and let the money decisions come afterward. All this is just a diversion Buzz and the team do not need right now
Agreed that it's a diversion that we as FANS don't need right now, however, I'm confident that the team and Buzz know a lot more than us, and are focused appropriately.
(for the record, I've largely stayed out of the Buzz conversations, and when joining them have said he's staying...)
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 25, 2011, 12:06:42 AM
$3.8 mil buyout is pimp by Cottingham.
We may get burned again but we'll be getting paid this time, that's for darn sure.
True, but it's also because of who Buzz was and his limited experience (and he didn't have an agent). The more prominent a coach, the lower the buyout is going to be, especially with an agent worth his salt.
If Buzz stays, that buyout is almost certain to go down...Buzz would be silly to have it remain that high because it kills a lot of flexibility for him down the road.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 25, 2011, 12:22:48 AM
True, but it's also because of who Buzz was and his limited experience (and he didn't have an agent). The more prominent a coach, the lower the buyout is going to be, especially with an agent worth his salt.
If Buzz stays, that buyout is almost certain to go down...Buzz would be silly to have it remain that high because it kills a lot of flexibility for him down the road.
I'm a little skeptical of your reasoning on the buyout.
I find it hard to believe that Buzz doesn't know exactly how significant the buyout terms were in his contract, especially given the legal wrangling needed to extricate himself from UNO.
I'm not saying this is the case, but I believe an equally viable possibility is that Buzz knows that MU is where he wants to be.
I think Buzz was willing to accept pretty much anything to be the coach at MU. I think if Buzz were smart, he'd hire an agent.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 25, 2011, 07:37:49 AM
I think Buzz was willing to accept pretty much anything to be the coach at MU. I think if Buzz were smart, he'd hire an agent.
At that time, I doubt he was really thinking of an exit strategy. Easier to sign that high of a buyout number when you can't envision leaving. Thus, I agree, that is one purpose of the agent.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 25, 2011, 12:22:48 AM
True, but it's also because of who Buzz was and his limited experience (and he didn't have an agent). The more prominent a coach, the lower the buyout is going to be, especially with an agent worth his salt.
If Buzz stays, that buyout is almost certain to go down...Buzz would be silly to have it remain that high because it kills a lot of flexibility for him down the road.
It's still a two way street, because MU would have owed Buzz the buy-out assuming he was fired before the end of his contract. Buzz simply traded off some flexibility for some security.
Quote from: Wareagle on March 24, 2011, 11:57:48 PM
Williams' contract with MU is a six-year rollover that's paying him $1.6 million this season. That figure will jump to more than $1.7 million later this year. A school such as Oklahoma or Tennessee could take Williams' annual salary over $2 million.
If Oklahoma and Tennessee can take it up beyond $2 million, MU will have no problem matching or exceeding in my opinion based on prior history.
Quote from: Tom Crean's Tanning Bed on March 25, 2011, 07:50:19 AM
If Oklahoma and Tennessee can take it up beyond $2 million, MU will have no problem matching or exceeding in my opinion based on prior history.
I agree, he won't leave for money. crean said as much when he left as well.
If Buzz left, it would be for other reasons beyond the money.
Does Buzz need an agent? He just might be smarter than anyone realizes. Agents cost money. He is keeping his mouth shut as other teams drive up his value knowing MU will match it. He will get a 50% raise out of this without an agent to stay where he is at, when he has no intention of going anywhere.
Buzz is playing the game perfectly.
Well Buzz has got someone doing work for him or relaying information for him cause the first person to break the 3.8 figure that I know of was the Arkansas sports editor who had an Oklahoma source. So somebody is talking to Oklahoma on Buzz's behalf.
Heck, I'd be willing to give Buzz a free "out" in his next contract if Texas opens up, but keep a higher then normal buyout ($2mill +) for all others.
Quote from: bilsu on March 25, 2011, 08:04:49 AM
Does Buzz need an agent? He just might be smarter than anyone realizes. Agents cost money. He is keeping his mouth shut as other teams drive up his value knowing MU will match it. He will get a 50% raise out of this without an agent to stay where he is at, when he has no intention of going anywhere.
Buzz is playing the game perfectly.
50% ??? That sounds kinda high. If it is true though, it would certainly keep OU from getting him. Between the buyout and that salary that's too much for a football school to pay.
Nice article by Todd.
Sounds like Buzz is staying.
Tonight is going to be fun, and if everything goes right, next season could be great.
Quote from: bilsu on March 25, 2011, 08:04:49 AM
Does Buzz need an agent? He just might be smarter than anyone realizes. Agents cost money. He is keeping his mouth shut as other teams drive up his value knowing MU will match it. He will get a 50% raise out of this without an agent to stay where he is at, when he has no intention of going anywhere.
Buzz is playing the game perfectly.
+1
Quote from: bilsu on March 25, 2011, 08:04:49 AM
Does Buzz need an agent? He just might be smarter than anyone realizes. Agents cost money. He is keeping his mouth shut as other teams drive up his value knowing MU will match it. He will get a 50% raise out of this without an agent to stay where he is at, when he has no intention of going anywhere.
Buzz is playing the game perfectly.
+1 - Buzz has said he doesn't see any reason to pay an agent their 3-5% cut, because that 3-5% just takes away from Bubba's college fund..Bubba being his son. Obviously at this point, Buzz's kids should be just fine with regard to college funds...but I like the common sense approach Buzz takes to his business dealings and NOT hiring an agent. As Buzz has said many times: You get what you earn.
I really can't understand why anyone would implore Buzz to get an agent or think he needs one. Buzz is extremely sharp..and quite capable..
Quote from: bilsu on March 25, 2011, 08:04:49 AM
Does Buzz need an agent? He just might be smarter than anyone realizes. Agents cost money. He is keeping his mouth shut as other teams drive up his value knowing MU will match it. He will get a 50% raise out of this without an agent to stay where he is at, when he has no intention of going anywhere.
Buzz is playing the game perfectly.
+1. Also doesn't mean he doesn't have a lawyer either. Or that agents aren't circling trying to create a market value on a hot potential client they could pick up. Or to drive up the market for their Plan B client (if they are willing to pay a young Buzz $2.5mm, they can pay XX that). Now Cot is trying to publically deflate the spin via Rosiak. Good gamesmanship playing on the S16 fan and media fervor.
Buzz has also said that these agents are calling him all the time and he knows them. In the OU scenario, know that Corey is from OKC. MU has the money and program side covered. Rosie's article should give MU fans comfort. Enjoy the game as Buzz will do what is it right for himself and his family--and MU will be a part of that decision vs. previous.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 25, 2011, 07:37:49 AM
I think Buzz was willing to accept pretty much anything to be the coach at MU. I think if Buzz were smart, he'd hire an agent.
+ 1
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 25, 2011, 07:37:49 AMI think if Buzz were smart, he'd hire an agent.
I think Buzz is smart.
Quote from: Ners on March 25, 2011, 08:53:46 AM
I really can't understand why anyone would implore Buzz to get an agent or think he needs one. Buzz is extremely sharp..and quite capable..
Because of the high buy-out. Takes away a huge bargaining chip.
And I am not imploring him to get an agent. I rather he not get one. But if I were him I would.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 25, 2011, 09:13:21 AM
+ 1
Why do you think if Buzz were smart, he'd hire an agent? Please elaborate. Do you not think Buzz will be compensated in the Top 10-15 coaches after this season? Why give away roughly $100,000 per year to an "agent?"
Even if Buzz has a $3.8M buyout...do we really think that is going to prevent a team from landing Buzz if Buzz is willing to go to an OU? Essentially, Buzz is giving MU a $3.8M going away present/donation if he leaves. Pretty sure the deep pocketed alums of an OU, OSU, Arkansas, Texas or any other school will be glad to pay a $3.8M buyout if they can land Buzz.
Quote from: Ners on March 25, 2011, 09:35:57 AM
Why do you think if Buzz were smart, he'd hire an agent? Please elaborate. Do you not think Buzz will be compensated in the Top 10-15 coaches after this season? Why give away roughly $100,000 per year to an "agent?"
Look what hiring an agent did for Mike Anderson. My guess is that the back and forth lead to a significantly higher salary than the percentage that he gave in commission.
And agents are good for more than just salary. They negotiate all sorts of things on behalf of their clients.
Quote from: Ners on March 25, 2011, 09:35:57 AM
Pretty sure the deep pocketed alums of an OU, OSU, Arkansas, Texas or any other school will be glad to pay a $3.8M buyout if they can land Buzz.
At these schools, for Football ... not so sure about Basketball
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 25, 2011, 09:45:59 AM
Look what hiring an agent did for Mike Anderson. My guess is that the back and forth lead to a significantly higher salary than the percentage that he gave in commission.
And agents are good for more than just salary. They negotiate all sorts of things on behalf of their clients.
Who is Pitino's agent? Not for me.. uh.. er, for a... um... friend.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 25, 2011, 12:22:48 AM
True, but it's also because of who Buzz was and his limited experience (and he didn't have an agent). The more prominent a coach, the lower the buyout is going to be, especially with an agent worth his salt.
If Buzz stays, that buyout is almost certain to go down...Buzz would be silly to have it remain that high because it kills a lot of flexibility for him down the road.
We are assuming that Buzz got nothing for the high buyout? maybe he also negotiated a fat severance if MU was going to fire him?
Does anyone know that half of his contract?
The buyout figure will not be an obstacle for any school who has targeted Buzz as their guy. Trust me on this, boosters have infinitely deep pockets. Cottingham says we should take Williams at his word. But, he hasn't said anything publically to defuse the situation. To address the issue at season's end, makes me squirm. Personally, I'm convinced he's leaving.
This buyout ordeal is crazy...
Rosiak says $3.8 million
Carey Murdock (OU rivals) claims to have a "source" that's claiming it's $1.9 million. Typically, Murdock is spot-on, but he's a football guy first.
Mike Jones (Dallas Morning News) says $1.5 million.
Who to believe...
Quote from: ObballU on March 25, 2011, 09:57:15 AM
This buyout ordeal is crazy...
Rosiak says $3.8 million
Carey Murdock (OU rivals) claims to have a "source" that's claiming it's $1.9 million. Typically, Murdock is spot-on, but he's a football guy first.
Mike Jones (Dallas Morning News) says $1.5 million.
Who to believe...
We would believe Rosiak as he has been the MU beat writer for nine years and wrote that after talking to the MU AD and Buzz directly.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 25, 2011, 09:59:02 AM
We would believe Rosiak as he has been the MU beat writer for nine years and wrote that after talking to the MU AD and Buzz directly.
That's my choice too. I doubt a guy in Dallas or Norman knows as much as a guy in and around the actual situation.
It would be fiscally irresponsible for them to spend money in that fashion to get buzz...
they have to pay capel 1.5 mil
Buzz New slary ~2 mil
Buy out 3.8 mil
approx 7.3 mil next year. for a program that is very high for 1 year to spend on coaches...
Look at Marquette program they bring in 13 million and spend 10 million a year.
Oklahoma doesn't have that type of capital in their program and on top of being a state school they have to answer to tax payers about the extra money they spend.
I question the viability of this being true if the number are correct... just saying
Capel's buyout is actually $2.2 mill.
That's pretty ambitious $$$ if OU is struggling in attendance. Might more be a pride thing for Joe C.
I'm sure OU could get 2-3 alums to split the $3.8mill buy out, so that part wouldn't be taxpayer money. But someone mentioned that Buzz just built a $2mill house - if I were Buzz I wouldn't move a mile unless someone were taking that obligation off my hands.
So, $5.8mill just to get a coach to agree to a $2mill salary.
Also, I'd be willing to bet any other beat writer is saying the buy out is less because "someone" has told them OU would be willing to pay a $1.5mill buy out, hoping MU would negotiate and lower the price.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 25, 2011, 09:51:36 AM
At these schools, for Football ... not so sure about Basketball
Agreed. 100%
If the need arises for MU to get a buyout I hope it is big. I am not so sure everyone's interest in the buyout. Other than MU getting some dough it really means little long term. I would rather MU retain Buzz and let OU pay a buyout to some other school. If OU gets Buzz and pays the money it shows how high their interest is in Buzz...here's hoping our interest matches theirs.
Quote from: lurch91 on March 25, 2011, 10:08:46 AM
I'm sure OU could get 2-3 alums to split the $3.8mill buy out, so that part wouldn't be taxpayer money. But someone mentioned that Buzz just built a $2mill house - if I were Buzz I wouldn't move a mile unless someone were taking that obligation off my hands.
So, $5.8mill just to get a coach to agree to a $2mill salary.
You can't consider that $2 million house just a sunk cost. It's an asset that, presumably, would be worth something in the vicinity of what they pay. At the end of the day, the house likely would be a fairly insignificant cost. Either they'd flip it and lose a bit (but not nearly $2 million), or they'd pay a fee to someone else to buy/sell it. Of course, it is possible that they could flip it and turn a profit...unlikely, but possible.
Quote from: lurch91 on March 25, 2011, 10:08:46 AM
I'm sure OU could get 2-3 alums to split the $3.8mill buy out, so that part wouldn't be taxpayer money.
Any OU alum that owns a bunch of ford dealerships in Tulsa and OK City is
not putting up that kind of money for BASKETBALL. They want Bob Stoops and Landry Jones (starting QB) at meet and greets for that cash.
Buzz and a shooting guard no one has heard of is not getting that kind of money from OU alums... unless Blake Griffin pays.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 25, 2011, 12:10:41 AM
A couple more things I read from the article -
"I think the test every day is, 'Can you stay the same? Can you remove your ego from this and no matter what the media says and no matter what the money is or no matter what the title is, can you do right?' "
Well, if we take Buzz at his word, that means a lot.
To add on this, I think Buzz is a "mission" driven person. It seems that his values mesh fairly nicely with the Jesuit tradition. He knows, or is at least confident, that no matter where he goes he and, more importantly, his family will be taken care of in a financial sense, and the school will support putting a quality team on the court with excellent facilities.
Now is Marquette the best fit for his values? Could Oklahoma be better? Anywhere else?
As I mentioned above, I think Marquette agrees with his sensibilities. And sure there are places that may have similar or even a more in-tune message with Buzz. I don't see it in any of the current offerings out there.
If it were Texas, I'd shake his hand and wish him the best (as his apparent dream job). But as someone mentioned, if he goes to Oklahoma, he'll never get to Texas.
I think he'll take his time with it and make the best decision for himself and his family. I don't expect anything from him until two weeks after the Warriors win the Championship game.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 25, 2011, 10:20:25 AM
Any OU alum that owns a bunch of ford dealerships in Tulsa and OK City is not putting up that kind of money for BASKETBALL. They want Bob Stoops and Landry Jones (starting QB) at meet and greets for that cash.
Buzz and a shooting guard no one has heard of is not getting that kind of money from OU alums... unless Blake Griffin pays.
Bingo and if they pay the $5 million plus to Buzz, they're idiots. Don't get me wrong, Buzz is heck of a coach and an even better guy, but it would be fiscal irresponsibility.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 25, 2011, 10:16:30 AM
You can't consider that $2 million house just a sunk cost. It's an asset that, presumably, would be worth something in the vicinity of what they pay. At the end of the day, the house likely would be a fairly insignificant cost. Either they'd flip it and lose a bit (but not nearly $2 million), or they'd pay a fee to someone else to buy/sell it. Of course, it is possible that they could flip it and turn a profit...unlikely, but possible.
True, but how silly would it seem for OU to be carrying an $2mill house in Milwaukee as an asset on their books for 1-2 years until it sells. Or I'm sure they could take an immediate loss of 20-30% and sell it to some realty company.
Quote from: [Mu]EngiNerd on March 25, 2011, 10:01:26 AM
It would be fiscally irresponsible for them to spend money in that fashion to get buzz...
they have to pay capel 1.5 mil
Buzz New slary ~2 mil
Buy out 3.8 mil
approx 7.3 mil next year. for a program that is very high for 1 year to spend on coaches...
Look at Marquette program they bring in 13 million and spend 10 million a year.
Oklahoma doesn't have that type of capital in their program and on top of being a state school they have to answer to tax payers about the extra money they spend.
I question the viability of this being true if the number are correct... just saying
Adjusting for the correct Capel figure, that puts the first-year price tag at about $8 million. For a program that generated less than $9 million in total revenue last year, according to the U.S. Dept. of Education.
As for the "deep-pocketed boosters" argument, it's true that there are some. The question is, do any of those deep-pocketed really care enough about OU basketball to spend millions of dollars (in this economy, no less) to hire a guy they've most likely never heard of until this week? This ain't exactly T. Boone Pickens making a run at Bill Self or Phil Knight trying to get Tubby Smith or Mark Few. I mean, maybe the money is there. But I don't think it's a foregone conclusion.
Quote from: ObballU on March 25, 2011, 10:23:12 AM
Bingo and if they pay the $5 million plus to Buzz, they're idiots. Don't get me wrong, Buzz is heck of a coach and an even better guy, but it would be fiscal irresponsibility.
Agree with you. Frankly, Buzz works his azz off and would recruit very well at OU but he's recruited well here too and we're sitting on 14 losses and the defense has looked terrible for parts of the year. Not sure he's proven he's worth mad money yet.
Two things my Dad taught me a long time ago..don't count other people's money and unless they borrow from you how they spend it is not anyone's business. To assume that wealthy alumni on OK would not put money in ball program is crazy. In addition, I think if we are talking about car dealers in OK not spending money we should wonder if MU has any car dealers as big donor.
Quote from: Goose on March 25, 2011, 10:31:52 AM
Two things my Dad taught me a long time ago..don't count other people's money and unless they borrow from you how they spend it is not anyone's business. To assume that wealthy alumni on OK would not put money in ball program is crazy. In addition, I think if we are talking about car dealers in OK not spending money we should wonder if MU has any car dealers as big donor.
Dick Strong is our car dealer
Buzz should read Matthew 4, verses 8-10.
I'm not saying it's going to happen, but the OU AD seems too confident/head strong to let anyone thinking "this is just basketball" to get in his way. I could see him using football as the carrot to get alumni to further his basketball cause.
Stone Cold--I think we have another car dealer that actually picked Buzz,
You just asked who our car dealers were, now you know who the car dealer is......goose I've noticed you type a lot without actually saying anything novel. Please cease with that.
Stone Cold---If you do not know who the car dealer is you obviously are not too close to the situation. We have a major donor/supporter that is laegest car dealer in WI. My point was simple, if OK car dealers would not support OU basketball why do we think WI care dealers will support MU ball. Our car dealer picked Buzz.
From Sports by Brooks Twitter:
"@SPORTSbyBROOKS: Marquette is prepared to offer Buzz Williams 10-year deal to stay."
Also says that "Buyout is 7 figures but not as high as reported. Not even close."
Wow, he seems quite confident about the buyout info. Someone somewhere is being fed faulty info.
First yes I know about Berghardt, he wasn't interviewing Buzz just prior to the hiring like Strong. Strong makes the program go.
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/29460309.html (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/29460309.html)
Stone Cold--I did not know the sporting goods store was big backer. Thanks for the info. You must be right on Strong making the first interview and call on Buzz.
ignoro-reno button.
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 25, 2011, 10:33:06 AM
Dick Strong is our car dealer
Loyola (IL) plays in the Gentile Center, named after Joe Gentile, the car dealer in Barrington IL.
Quote from: pux90mex on March 25, 2011, 11:02:39 AM
From Sports by Brooks Twitter:
"@SPORTSbyBROOKS: Marquette is prepared to offer Buzz Williams 10-year deal to stay."
Also says that "Buyout is 7 figures but not as high as reported. Not even close."
Wow, he seems quite confident about the buyout info. Someone somewhere is being fed faulty info.
Who is this guy?
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 25, 2011, 11:06:36 AM
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/29460309.html (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/29460309.html)
And for that, I say THANK YOU for all you have done for the program and please help us keep Buzz!!!!
Well... we got to this point without mentioning Dick Strong... I suppose that has to be some sort of a record.
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 25, 2011, 11:03:33 AM
First yes I know about Berghardt, he wasn't interviewing Buzz just prior to the hiring like Strong. Strong makes the program go.
Do you mean Bergstrom?
Litehouse---Bergstrom carries a much bigger stick than some realize. I am hoping he likes Buzz as much today as he did three years ago. He is great part of the program and hopes it continues.
Quote from: pux90mex on March 25, 2011, 11:02:39 AM
From Sports by Brooks Twitter:
"@SPORTSbyBROOKS: Marquette is prepared to offer Buzz Williams 10-year deal to stay."
Also says that "Buyout is 7 figures but not as high as reported. Not even close."
Wow, he seems quite confident about the buyout info. Someone somewhere is being fed faulty info.
The OU board is all up in a bunch that we are not taking some sort of percentage when saying the buy out number.
Rosiak's article where he interviewed Cottingham seems to be pretty trustworthy. It would be hard to believe that he did not ask Cottingham about that number before publishing it.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on March 25, 2011, 12:00:25 PM
Rosiak's article where he interviewed Cottingham seems to be pretty trustworthy. It would be hard to believe that he did not ask Cottingham about that number before publishing it.
And as he said, referring to the other writers...They have a job; so do I. Who covers MU/Buzz? Hmm...
Quote from: HoopsMalone on March 25, 2011, 12:00:25 PM
The OU board is all up in a bunch that we are not taking some sort of percentage when saying the buy out number.
Rosiak's article where he interviewed Cottingham seems to be pretty trustworthy. It would be hard to believe that he did not ask Cottingham about that number before publishing it
I also saw a poster say that there were "Fire Buzz" signs at the BC this year...I didn't make every home game but I have to think I would have heard about that.
One thing is for sure, there is a ton of crap getting thrown around.
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 25, 2011, 10:33:06 AM
Dick Strong is our car dealer
Bergstrom is the car dealer that provided the Humvess. Strong is retired after being chased out of the investment business.
Quote from: 6746jonesr on March 25, 2011, 12:10:14 PM
Bergstrom is the car dealer that provided the Humvess. Strong is retired after being chased out of the investment business.
Yeah. I wasn't being literal when I said Dick Strong was our car dealer. I meant he's our main backer who's put a ton of $$$ into the program.
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on March 25, 2011, 12:07:56 PM
I also saw a poster say that there were "Fire Buzz" signs at the BC this year...I didn't make every home game but I have to think I would have heard about that.
One thing is for sure, there is a ton of crap getting thrown around.
If you read this board it surprise you.
Buzz has a choice between a very small group of irrational fans wanting him gone or an AD who fires his coach after a few years which includes recruiting Blake Griffin who might be their best NBA player when its said and done, the Elite 8, and pretty good recruiting in general.
Hoops--This irrational fan WANTS Buzz to stay.
Quote from: Goose on March 25, 2011, 12:23:04 PM
Hoops--This irrational fan WANTS Buzz to stay.
+1
And I want him to stay at an irrational salary if necessary.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on March 25, 2011, 12:16:05 PM
If you read this board it surprise you.
Buzz has a choice between a very small group of irrational fans wanting him gone or an AD who fires his coach after a few years which includes recruiting Blake Griffin who might be their best NBA player when its said and done, the Elite 8, and pretty good recruiting in general.
Read it a lot, and I never saw any posts on Fire Buzz signs...
Besides, those calling for his head after a loss probably don't have the stones to carry that into a game since it is so much easier to remain anonymous on here and spew the vitriol than sit next to season ticket holders and put your face out there.
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on March 25, 2011, 12:28:03 PM
Read it a lot, and I never saw any posts on Fire Buzz signs...
Besides, those calling for his head after a loss probably don't have the stones to carry that into a game since it is so much easier to remain anonymous on here and spew the vitriol than sit next to season ticket holders and put your face out there.
agreed. i just meant that the board would show you that people were calling for Buzz. That has all changed now
There was booing going down though.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on March 25, 2011, 12:16:05 PM
If you read this board it surprise you.
Buzz has a choice between a very small group of irrational fans wanting him gone or an AD who fires his coach after a few years which includes recruiting Blake Griffin who might be their best NBA player when its said and done, the Elite 8, and pretty good recruiting in general.
I'd venture a guess that pretty much
every school has a group of irrational fans who want the coach fired. That's certainly not unique to Marquette. And a poll on here a few weeks ago showed that it truly is a
very small group.
Do fans really want Buzz? I have never heard that said in any MU conversation I have had with fans. Have heard frustration on game coaching but nothing on being fired.
Quote from: Goose on March 25, 2011, 12:50:09 PM
Do fans really want Buzz? I have never heard that said in any MU conversation I have had with fans. Have heard frustration on game coaching but nothing on being fired.
Judging by the way you steer conversations I'm not surprised that you end up getting negatives out of people instead of positives.
Marquette has a TON of entitled, a-hole fans, which is why re-seating makes me nervous every year.
I hope like hell Buzz stays...but even if he leaves, I'm just glad Crean is gone.
Quote from: Goose on March 25, 2011, 12:50:09 PM
Do fans really want Buzz? I have never heard that said in any MU conversation I have had with fans. Have heard frustration on game coaching but nothing on being fired.
That's because people let their emotions get the better of them.
PRN---I beat the reseating issue. Cancelled my season tickets after in family for 40 years and pay scalpers for the 5-6 games I want to attend. Always down low and extra money left for road trips.
Quote from: Goose on March 25, 2011, 01:22:24 PM
PRN---I beat the reseating issue. Cancelled my season tickets after in family for 40 years and pay scalpers for the 5-6 games I want to attend. Always down low and extra money left for road trips.
The Athletic Department needs the full basketball home schedule worth of revenue, that's the problem with doing this.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 25, 2011, 11:19:00 AM
Who is this guy?
He's Brooks, from Sports By Brooks.
//stolen from other board.
Quote from: Goose on March 25, 2011, 01:22:24 PM
PRN---I beat the reseating issue. Cancelled my season tickets after in family for 40 years and pay scalpers for the 5-6 games I want to attend. Always down low and extra money left for road trips.
I'm a season ticket holder and have tickets with a few other friends. While my friends often complain about the first half of the season because it's just "money down the drain," I look at it as my annual donation to Marquette. To go along with that, anytime I get a letter about donating I have no problems with throwing it right in the trash because I've already given several hundred $ to MU for the year.
PRN---I would rather write a check to athletic department than be pissed I let my Longwood St tickets go to waste. I do it more because the reseating bothers me and not using or being able to GIVE away tickets is a sin.
But you are right on the overall picture. If they win tonight they will get another check from me. It will be post dated until after Buzz signs his extension.