Sounds like his primary candidate(s) are currently busy coaching; which brings the focus to Buzz, Boyle (Colorado) and Marshall (Wichita St.). No real surpises but you can read between the lines.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/OU/article.aspx?subjectid=92&articleid=20110324_92_0_NORMAN959526
They want Buzz. The only question is, does Buzz want them?
Joe C. sounds like a confident man......ut oh, hope they don't already have something worked out.
Quote from: MarquetteFan94 on March 24, 2011, 02:17:19 PM
Sounds like his primary candidate(s) are currently busy coaching; which brings the focus to Buzz, Boyle (Colorado) and Marshall (Wichita St.). No real surpises but you can read between the lines.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/OU/article.aspx?subjectid=92&articleid=20110324_92_0_NORMAN959526
Wow read between the lines is right. That guy pretty much said once Marquette is done we'll be announcing Buzz Williams as our next head coach. The word "peripheral" is what worried me the most, even if it was from the author and not the AD. Part of me wonders if this was a done deal before they fired Capel. Why get rid of him unless they were sure they could get the guy they wanted. But based on what Buzz is saying, I still think he stays at Marquette.
If I were Cottingham I'd be talking to Brian Gregory's people, Turgeon's people, and making damn sure we have a back up close to sewn up this time. Frankly, I wouldn't put it past ANY coach-AD to already have conditions worked out in season, in today's Jimmy Sexton type dealings of a world.
We don't need to be hung dry again and have slim pickings left.
Quote from: Shack on March 24, 2011, 02:31:07 PM
Wow read between the lines is right. That guy pretty much said once Marquette is done we'll be announcing Buzz Williams as our next head coach. The word "peripheral" is what worried me the most, even if it was from the author and not the AD. Part of me wonders if this was a done deal before they fired Capel. Why get rid of him unless they were sure they could get the guy they wanted. But based on what Buzz is saying, I still think he stays at Marquette.
My concern is that Buzz was indirectly contacted by OU before the Capel firing also. Which is also a theory being floated around amongst OU fans.
http://ouhoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21109
A (MU) man can hope Buzz is only stringing along OU for a bidding war to ensue after the season ends.
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 24, 2011, 02:39:10 PM
If I were Cottingham I'd be talking to Brian Gregory's people, Turgeon's people, and making damn sure we have a back up close to sewn up this time. Frankly, I wouldn't put it past ANY coach-AD to already have conditions worked out in season, in today's Jimmy Sexton type dealings of a world.
We don't need to be hung dry again and have slim pickings left.
You'd have to think, especially with the team's success this last week, that Cottingham has to be contingency planning in a major way in terms of assembling a list of potential candidates...even if he has to toss it after Buzz decides to stay or they re-work his contract.
I agree 94, the writing is on the wall. I just hope we are doing more than assembling a list, hell I'll email them a list. We should be sending out feelers.
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 24, 2011, 02:27:49 PM
Joe C. sounds like a confident man......ut oh, hope they don't already have something worked out.
He's a very confident guy....he's been around a while, spoke at the NACMA conventions back in the day I used to attend....first met him when he was Missouri. He's a strong AD
Pretty sure there's a 0.0% chance of Buzz having worked out a deal already behind the scenes. He's not an outright liar (in fact, he's brutally honest, even when it's not the most appropriate), he has no agent, and he said outright just a few days ago that he hasn't talked to anyone about any job openings.
Can we please stop blindly speculating?
I think a lot of those OU fans are going to be very disappointed in 2 weeks. Especially the ones that have already changed their avatar to Buzz's picture.
To play devil's advocate here, but what is the OU guy supposed to say? "Well, we aren't too sure what our candidates think about OU." Of course not. He says he is "confident." That doesn't really mean anything...it just positions himself well so that Sooner Nation doesn't start to panic.
Nothing in that story makes me any more or less concerned about Buzz leaving.
Their AD says he's encouraged? Big deal. What do you expect him to say? He's feeling very sad because his top choices are saying 'No freakin' way!"?
Anyone want to bet that if OU hires someone other than Buzz, their AD will step up the the lectern at his introductory press conference and proclaim the new guy as his number one choice from the start?
Not sure how you read it.
I read it as an AD talking to over-zealous, close-minded individuals hoping for an elite coach. Similar to the folk that demanded Miller or Bennet amongst others around here as if the University could just pick the name and they would come.
He really didn't say anything. Infer what you want.
Quote from: pillardean on March 24, 2011, 02:58:38 PM
Not sure how you read it.
I read it as an AD talking to over-zealous, close-minded individuals hoping for an elite coach. Similar to the folk that demanded Miller or Bennet amongst others around here as if the University could just pick the name and they would come.
He really didn't say anything. Infer what you want.
Pretty much agree. All he said is, "we're interested in one or more guys that are still coaching." Not exactly a news flash, given the fact that they haven't made an offer.
Most of these AD's don't say anything during the search, that's what struck me not just the tone. We heard nothing from Cottingham, I know ND's Swarbrick went underground during the hiring of Brian Kelly.
For the AD to say we've been encouraged and we are waiting for coaches to finish up, reveals a lot about candidates and sets up expectations for who he is targeting. Comes off, to me, as "I've got nothing to worry about, it's in the bag already."
We'll see, it's all how you want to read things and I can see your other read on it as well.
It's not a stretch to think Buzz was thrown a hypothetical from somone connected to OU Athletics saying, "if the OU job becomes available, is that something you would be interested in or at least entertain a conversation."
That doesn't mean a contract is imminent, a deal has been reached, that Buzz would even want the job or to leave MU...but still not a stretch scenario by any means...but would also mean they were interested in Buzz before this NCAA run.
Man, you guys are jumping off the ledge. Where did it look like a done deal? Where did it look like there were previous discussions? The writer simply wrote that Buzz was their lead target.
I think we are fine. Tons of cash on the table. We look like a good fit for Buzz and visa versa. The program is pointing up. Theirs is pointing down. I think it would take a lot of money for Buzz to back out.
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 24, 2011, 03:04:57 PM
Most of these AD's don't say anything during the search, that's what struck me not just the tone. We heard nothing from Cottingham, I know ND's Swarbrick went underground during the hiring of Brian Kelly.
For the AD to say we've been encouraged and we are waiting for coaches to finish up, reveals a lot about candidates and sets up expectations for who he is targeting. Comes off, to me, as "I've got nothing to worry about, it's in the bag already."
We'll see, it's all how you want to read things and I can see your other read on it as well.
I agree with Stone Cold. The AD's response was almost "too confident." What encourages me though is Buzz's response in another article when he says "I've had some guys try to get to me, but I'm going to address all of this when the season is over" The word "tried", implies an unsuccessful attempt. Definitely can see both sides. But if Buzz does end up going to OU, I'm 100% confident this deal was in the works before Capel was fired. Truth is no one knows except Buzz. Either way this will be done quickly after our season ends so until then I'm going to keep enjoying the tourney ride.
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 24, 2011, 03:04:57 PM
Most of these AD's don't say anything during the search, that's what struck me not just the tone. We heard nothing from Cottingham, I know ND's Swarbrick went underground during the hiring of Brian Kelly.
What about Tennessee and NC State leaking the names of its top candidates?
Wasn't Michigan pretty public in its courting of Les Miles and Jim Harbaugh?
Bama certainly let it be known, over and over again, that it wanted Saban.
Kentucky didn't hold back in its pursuits of Billy Donovan and then Calipari.
I'm sure there are many examples of ADs who've kept things under wraps and just as many of those who were very public in their searches. People are trying to find meaning where there isn't necessarily any.
Quote from: Shack on March 24, 2011, 03:16:36 PM
Either way this will be done quickly after our season ends so until then I'm going to keep enjoying the tourney ride.
Agreed, MU is in the Sweet Sixteen baby! It's been 8 years and doesn't feel like yesterday. This rumor stuff can wait.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 24, 2011, 03:22:37 PM
What about Tennessee and NC State leaking the names of its top candidates?
Wasn't Michigan pretty public in its courting of Les Miles and Jim Harbaugh?
Bama certainly let it be known, over and over again, that it wanted Saban.
Kentucky didn't hold back in its pursuits of Billy Donovan and then Calipari.
I'm sure there are many examples of ADs who've kept things under wraps and just as many of those who were very public in their searches. People are trying to find meaning where there isn't necessarily any.
HA... You're right. MAYBE Buzz is really good buddies with the AD and the AD is throwing his name out there so that Buzz can get a bigger paycheck. You got to love conspiracy theories.
talk about freaking out... There is no new information in this article...I don't understand how the AD seems over confident
come on people we are play UNC in the sweet 16 tomorrow....
Buzz is staying. Oklahoma may be a great school, but they are in a rebuilding phase and looking a potential NCAA sanctions.
I am getting sick of these posts and people freaking out every day a new article comes out.
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 24, 2011, 02:39:10 PM
If I were Cottingham I'd be talking to Brian Gregory's people, Turgeon's people, and making damn sure we have a back up close to sewn up this time. Frankly, I wouldn't put it past ANY coach-AD to already have conditions worked out in season, in today's Jimmy Sexton type dealings of a world.
We don't need to be hung dry again and have slim pickings left.
If Buzz does move on this year, one of the first people I call is the VCU AD to get permission to at least discuss what Shaka Smart thinks about the Marquette job.
He's an intelligent coach who at least to me, has the whole package and maybe the most aspect about him is that he went to school at Oregon High School in the Madison area and is from Fitchburg, Wisconsin.
He's been under some good coaches like Oliver Purnell, Billy Donovan and most of Brad Brownell's top players at Clemson were recruited when Smart was the recruiting coordinator. His college coach at Kenyon (OH) College was Bill Brown who's been a successful D3 school and he also assisted Keith Dambrot at Akron. Gets rave reviews from all of his former employers and still has fans in the Madison area. Is about as close to Buzz in energy, recruiting ability and playing style as I have found right now and it doesn't hurt his resume' that they beat Georgetown and Purdue last weekend.
Quote from: [Mu]EngiNerd on March 24, 2011, 03:33:23 PM
talk about freaking out... There is no new information in this article...I don't understand how the AD seems over confident
come on people we are play UNC in the sweet 16 tomorrow....
Buzz is staying. Oklahoma may be a great school, but they are in a rebuilding phase and looking a potential NCAA sanctions.
I am getting sick of these posts and people freaking out every day a new article comes out.
There's a big difference between some hack writer's opinion from Tulsa versus direct quotes from the OU AD....not sure we've seen that before.
I agree with you though....I'm definitely in the Buzz is staying camp.
Quote from: [Mu]EngiNerd on March 24, 2011, 03:33:23 PM
talk about freaking out... There is no new information in this article...I don't understand how the AD seems over confident
+1
some people are making is ambiguous comments out to be much more than what he said. They are looking and dont want to give themselves some self-imposed deadline. some of their candidates are still coaching and they want to respect the process. I dont get where people are finding him to be over confident.
The author of the story was the one that threw out buzz as the main candidate (plus two other 'peripherals')... not the AD.
Beyond Buzz, the next most likely candidates for OU, actually seem to be Terry Evans, Lon Kruger of UNLV, and possibly Cuomo Martin, all of whom are currently not playing.
Accordingly, the ADs "waiting for a candidate to be available" reference is not referring to Colorado, or Wichita state coaches(as the author guesses) , and, regretably, this is an allusion to Buzz, only.
The reading between the lines ,here, is little more than Buzz is on their radar, and they hope to formalize a direct contact with him, after play is over. This is not a surprise to anyone--it is expected.
Guesses, and speculations, beyond this arent supported by anything, in this article. You'll drive yourself crazy guessing beyond the facts, and inferences, that are actually in front of you.
So, yes, its likely OU will contact Buzz, after play concludes, and if he or OU says no they will move on to Terry Evans, Lon Kruger of UNLV, and possibly Cuomo Martin. . Someone will fill the job, battle to improve facilities, and to try to build recruiting to have OU reach the level of UT, and Kansas, the class of the Big 12. Its a tough undertaking, just ask TC, in the B10--lol.
Quote from: [Mu]EngiNerd on March 24, 2011, 03:33:23 PM
talk about freaking out... There is no new information in this article...I don't understand how the AD seems over confident
come on people we are play UNC in the sweet 16 tomorrow....
Buzz is staying. Oklahoma may be a great school, but they are in a rebuilding phase and looking a potential NCAA sanctions.
I am getting sick of these posts and people freaking out every day a new article comes out.
I think you're right. All this Buzz to Eastern Oklahoma State Missouri Polytechnic is starting to distract the members of this message board in their focus on beating the members of the UNC message board in the sweet 16.
Maintain Focus!!!
alright what new information came out of this? I don't understand why everyone has their panties in twist, i didn't see a single quote in that article which stated, buzz is their man, buzz has already signed with them, and buzz wants to be at Oklahoma.
Of course the AD is going to put a positive spin on anything and say there are time frames associated with finding the right coach...
Do we really feel Oklahoma is a better program than marquette? I sure as hell don't. Just because they are a state school doesn't mean they are a better basketball school.
All large state school feel like they can pluck away any coach from a considered mid major because of their supposed high quality name and stature.
Quote from: TedBaxter on March 24, 2011, 03:38:12 PM
If Buzz does move on this year, one of the first people I call is the VCU AD to get permission to at least discuss what Shaka Smart thinks about the Marquette job.
He's an intelligent coach who at least to me, has the whole package and maybe the most aspect about him is that he went to school at Oregon High School in the Madison area and is from Fitchburg, Wisconsin.
He's been under some good coaches like Oliver Purnell, Billy Donovan and most of Brad Brownell's top players at Clemson were recruited when Smart was the recruiting coordinator. His college coach at Kenyon (OH) College was Bill Brown who's been a successful D3 school and he also assisted Keith Dambrot at Akron. Gets rave reviews from all of his former employers and still has fans in the Madison area. Is about as close to Buzz in energy, recruiting ability and playing style as I have found right now and it doesn't hurt his resume' that they beat Georgetown and Purdue last weekend.
Sure, if you want to look for a coach again in 3-5 years.
Quote from: TJ on March 24, 2011, 04:30:06 PM
Sure, if you want to look for a coach again in 3-5 years.
Please explain. Are you saying he'll be looking elsewhere for a job in 3-5 years or won't be able to coach in the Big East?
I brought Smart's name up because he's a Wisconsin native and may be more inclined to view Marquette as a destination job than others.
Have you watched his teams play? Have you seen the players that he's signed in recruiting? Have you watched any video of him addressing the media and his players? Did you read the Wisconsin State Journal article about him yesterday?
I am the type who doesn't get overly impressed with coach speak and I can be a very pessimistic type as far as coaches and recruits and I couldn't find any ghosts in the guys closet. He's gotten nothing but solid reviews from people who follow college basketball from what I can find. He has tremendous confidence without being overly cocky. He appears to be able to relate to everyone he comes in contact with and I haven't seen any indications where he's had a ton of player turnover in players or coaching staff to this point.
Quote from: TedBaxter on March 24, 2011, 04:46:29 PM
Please explain. Are you saying he'll be looking elsewhere for a job in 3-5 years or won't be able to coach in the Big East?
I brought Smart's name up because he's a Wisconsin native and may be more inclined to view Marquette as a destination job than others.
Have you watched his teams play? Have you seen the players that he's signed in recruiting? Have you watched any video of him addressing the media and his players? Did you read the Wisconsin State Journal article about him yesterday?
I am the type who doesn't get overly impressed with coach speak and I can be a very pessimistic type as far as coaches and recruits and I couldn't find any ghosts in the guys closet. He's gotten nothing but solid reviews from people who follow college basketball from what I can find. He has tremendous confidence without being overly cocky. He appears to be able to relate to everyone he comes in contact with and I haven't seen any indications where he's had a ton of player turnover in players or coaching staff to this point.
Sorry, didn't see this until now, but my thought was that he would jump ship, not that he would fail.
He's the hot young up and coming coach this year. If he's willing to leave VCU when something better comes along, why wouldn't he be willing to leave MU when something better comes along? Other than that feeling, I don't have anything bad to say about the guy. I haven't watched VCU except the 3 tournament games, but I wasn't really questioning his coaching ability either.
Quote from: TJ on March 25, 2011, 01:12:02 AM
Sorry, didn't see this until now, but my thought was that he would jump ship, not that he would fail.
He's the hot young up and coming coach this year. If he's willing to leave VCU when something better comes along, why wouldn't he be willing to leave MU when something better comes along? Other than that feeling, I don't have anything bad to say about the guy. I haven't watched VCU except the 3 tournament games, but I wasn't really questioning his coaching ability either.
He might jump ship, but if all the concern about losing Buzz to OU is geography, then why would we expect Smart to jump ship? It would be back home for Smart as well.
Now, I really don't know if Smart or Buzz are that hungry to get home, but I can see the logic in that.
Quote from: MUMac on March 25, 2011, 08:22:41 AM
He might jump ship, but if all the concern about losing Buzz to OU is geography, then why would we expect Smart to jump ship? It would be back home for Smart as well.
Now, I really don't know if Smart or Buzz are that hungry to get home, but I can see the logic in that.
In theory, MU brought Buzz in and gave him a chance when he was in the complete opposite situation as Smart. In theory, that could have generated some loyalty and staying power. I hope it pans out, and I think it will at least for this year.
Smart would have none of that motivation, no binding loyalty to MU except they offered him a lot of money and maybe it's close to home. He would have no reason to think twice about leaving if something else came along.
Now that's not to say I want Buzz to feel like an indentured servant - I want him to want to be here. But I think the start of his MU career is the driving force behind him (hopefully) wanting to be here.