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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: nyg on March 22, 2011, 07:36:29 PM
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http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/NCAA-admits-to-wrong-call-in-Syracuse-Orange-tournament-loss-032211
Don't know if this was posted, but states refs were wrong in the backcourt violation. Interesting.
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I think that if the Syracuse player hadn't looked so awkward and hadn't tried so hard to stay on one side it would have been a no call
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I guess this also rules out a travel.
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If that is called incorrect than the NCAA should investigate the O'Tule foul where Jackson pulled Otule on top of him. Not even Bo teaches a flop that bad!!!
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I think that if the Syracuse player hadn't looked so awkward and hadn't tried so hard to stay on one side it would have been a no call
Yes...argued this from the beginning. He made it look bad and the ref I think got a little mixed up.
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Well that sucks. Kind of sullies the win a little. Such is life.
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I guess this also rules out a travel.
Don't see that it rules out a travel. It was silent to that. Said the call was incorrect. If you read the rules that Pakuni posted, it was a travel. Now, I am not sure when the whistle blew, and if it blew before the travel, then it would be an inadvertent whistle.
I agree with some other posts, though, why not comment on the other missed calls that could have impacted the game - such as the tackle on Otule or the swat by Melo on the ball out of the basket that should have been a T, or the phantom 3 second call on Otule.
We always hear from the officials that if it is a violation or foul during the game, it is a violation or foul at the end. Well, shouldn't the same hold true for a blown call then?
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Can we forfeit at this point and let Syracuse play UNC instead of us? I think it's only right.
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How about the missed technical in the first half, when Melo swatted the ball out of bounds. That would have been a hugh call. He would have been charged with another foul and we would have got two free throws. Besides that even if they did not call the over and back there is no guarantee Syracuse would of scored. The clock was already down to about 10 seconds.
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Meh, even without the call we get a stop and DJO plunges the dagger.
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I guess this also rules out a travel.
Don't tell Pakuni
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Meh, it happens. As if MU hasn't been on the wrong end of blown / missed calls? As previously noted look at the offensive foul call against Otule. Just because it happened earlier in the game doesn't mean it had less impact on the ultimate outcome. This doesn't sour the game one bit for me.
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funny i tried to post this yesterday, it disappeared!
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great makeup call for the JAckson tackle of Otule and the missed technical on Fab Melo punching the ball...
were even...
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Hey, UNC might as well have forfeited their game with Wash. and not show up to Newark. Washington should've had more time to get their shot off at the end of that game.
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It was definitely a wrong call and I'm surprised a tourney official would miss that, but it doesn't sully the win at all. Calls like that go against both teams over the course of the game and it generally evens out. If you let something like this take away the satisfaction of a good win you don't get any better feeling when a bad call costs us a game.
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Don't tell Pakuni
Ummm ... actually, it doesn't eliminate the travel. It actually proves the point. There should have been no over-and-back, as I said. Rather, play should have been allowed to continue. And, had play been allowed to continue, there was a travel. Jardine caught the ball and landed on his right foot. That becomes the pivot foot, per NCAA rules. He then landed on his left. He then picked up his right (aka pivot) foot. That's a travel. Marquette ball.
Don't believe me? Watch the video.
Nice try, though. Will you soon be calling for an asterisk on the game?
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Apparently nobody knows the rule. If you watch Boeheim after the whistle, he's clearly not upset with the official. Looks like he's pointing and telling one of his two players what he should have done.
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Hey, UNC might as well have forfeited their game with Wash. and not show up to Newark. Washington should've had more time to get their shot off at the end of that game.
With all the boneheaded decisions made by players recently -- Venoy Overton's halfcourt underarm heave with 3 seconds left, Robinson's unbelievable foul, and John Henson's near goal tend of Isaiah Thomas' buzzerbeater (I understand it was only a 2 point shot anyway, but did Henson know that?) -- its actually kinda nice (normalizing?) to hear about the refs having a mistake.
Those close calls happen throughout the game and inevitably even out, as many of you have already pointed out.
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The Syracuse fans weren't even upset. Jardine wasn't even overly upset. Boeheim didn't even argue the call.
Why is the NCAA even looking at this? There was no uproar, no outcry, nothing. There is absolutely no reason to do this other than give Orange fans an axe to grind.
Maybe the NCAA is trying to "do the right thing" after 3 pretty horrible weeks for the league.
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BTW, remember how Syracuse was going to ruin National Marquette Day?
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I also want to add that the officiating in the Xavier game was God-awful with the vast majority of the BS hand-checks and ticky-tack calls going against Marquette, yet we still managed to blow them out of the water.
The calls in that game probably hurt Marquette more than the one supposedly blown call hurt Syracuse. Also Fab Melo should have been given a technical, we all know that. Why not release a statement about that?
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I think that if the Syracuse player hadn't looked so awkward and hadn't tried so hard to stay on one side it would have been a no call
The problem here is in slow motion replay, you can see that Jardine caught the ball while in the air and not with a foot on the ground first.
In real time, that wasn't clearly noticeable and that's why i also thought it was an over and back like the ref called.
Instant replay is great for fans and of course refs do sometimes blow calls which they were blatantly wrong on, but on many calls that refs get wrong like this one, in real time without slow motion it's much easier to see how they missed the call, especially when a player acts like he made a violation.
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At the time, my first thought was that the guy could've stood in the backcourt and taken the throw-in. With the whistle I assumed he had both feet in the forecourt and then stepped on the line. I don't think the ref gave the usual signal for over-and-back.
Like this call, my life would have been better in slo-mo than it has been in real time.
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funny i tried to post this yesterday, it disappeared!
No it didn't disappear, it was merged with the thread talking about, oh...the over and back!
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=26143.msg292197#msg292197
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I agree with Pakuni. That's a travel.
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I also want to add that the officiating in the Xavier game was God-awful with the vast majority of the BS hand-checks and ticky-tack calls going against Marquette, yet we still managed to blow them out of the water.
The calls in that game probably hurt Marquette more than the one supposedly blown call hurt Syracuse. Also Fab Melo should have been given a technical, we all know that. Why not release a statement about that?
The Xavier fans near me were complaining so much about the refs I couldn't believe it. At one point, they called what I think was the third foul against Xavier in the second half - to Marquette's 8 at the time - and the guy just went off about how terrible the officiating against Xavier was. Not sure what game he was watching.
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I had a good view at the game. The official was right there. I will be honest, when I saw it live, my first thought was "did he just call a back court?". It didn't appear to me that is was as I knew the rule. No one protested, so I just thought I missed the catch first and then step back or the travel.
It was a brain cramp play to start with....should have gone in the back court to give Scoop room for a drive and shoot (only 9 seconds on the shot clock anyway). As it was, he was left tiptoeing the line facing in a bad position, trapped defensively at half court wasting time for a play to develop. No way he gets off a good shot--or any shot.
And in the replay, definitely a travel.
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If Scoop hadn't "walked the tightrope" as Len Elmore described it, there never would've been this call. Had he let the ball bounce into the backcourt and then picked it up, there never would've been an issue. It's his own fault for how he handled the in-bounds pass
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That call had absolutely nothing to do with us winning the game, it was the stellar clutch play of our boys. hollar at me.
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If Scoop hadn't "walked the tightrope" as Len Elmore described it, there never would've been this call. Had he let the ball bounce into the backcourt and then picked it up, there never would've been an issue. It's his own fault for how he handled the in-bounds pass
My guess is that Scoop didn't know exactly where his feet were. He knew he was close, but he was watching the ball (as he should have been). By the time he looked down, he saw that he was on the line. Honestly, at that moment, I doubt Scoop knew that it wasn't a back court violation.
But as LightBlueJerseys said, we won because our boys had ice water in their veins. Holla!
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If Scoop hadn't "walked the tightrope" as Len Elmore described it, there never would've been this call. Had he let the ball bounce into the backcourt and then picked it up, there never would've been an issue. It's his own fault for how he handled the in-bounds pass
Or if he would have simply gone into the backcourt to receive the pass he would have been fine. Even if he caught it in the front court, he was in the corner and could have easilly been trapped. Clearly it wasn't a very smart play by a player with a reputation for not playing very smart.
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NCAA admits error in MU game
One of the biggest plays in the Marquette Golden Eagles' 66-62 win over the Syracuse Orange in the third round of the NCAA Tournament on Sunday was set up by a refereeing error, the NCAA said.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/118499329.html