Tweet from earlier...
Arkansas and Oklahoma gonna be offering Buzz $3 million a year before this game goes final. Marquette up 47-29 on Xavier with 13:27 left.
Quote from: MUDish on March 18, 2011, 08:55:54 PM
Tweet from earlier...
Arkansas and Oklahoma gonna be offering Buzz $3 million a year before this game goes final. Marquette up 47-29 on Xavier with 13:27 left.
He will stay as long as we will have him
-Buzz Williams
Don't know if he is worth that much, but what a defensive scheme on X.
Butler held Holloway to 1 of 9 shooting and their leading scorer was a guy who averaged two points a game. Without turnovers MU really blows them out.
This win will make Buzz look good.
Now he is over the top. That is more than Calipari makes.
($2.5m year).
It also suggests he has no inside info about Ark and OU. Parrish is a fan of Buzz and promoting his buddy. Nothing more .. no inside info.
unnatural carnal knowledge Gary Parrish. Bring on the weekend. Ring out ahoya.
That figure proves that Parrish is a total clown with no inside information at all. If either of those programs is prepared to offer 3 million they can get anybody they want. That is the kind of money Kent offered Dovonan and as I recall he was coming off 2 National Titles. Buzz just won his second NCAA tourne game.
Quote from: MU B2002 on March 18, 2011, 09:03:51 PM
frack Gary Parrish. Bring on the weekend. Ring out ahoya.
+1
I may get a twitter account just to start sending him awful messages
Quote from: MUDish on March 18, 2011, 08:55:54 PM
Tweet from earlier...
Arkansas and Oklahoma gonna be offering Buzz $3 million a year before this game goes final. Marquette up 47-29 on Xavier with 13:27 left.
well if he gets offered that Buzz would be nuts to say no. That said, the number is laughable.
Gary Parrish is evil and should be destroyed.
Parrish is a pretty decent writer, but I wouldn't trust him regarding Coaching rumors unless it was John Calipari related.
Quote from: nyg on March 18, 2011, 09:01:27 PM
Don't know if he is worth that much, but what a defensive scheme on X.
Butler held Holloway to 1 of 9 shooting and their leading scorer was a guy who averaged two points a game. Without turnovers MU really blows them out.
This win will make Buzz look good.
I think this game will also make JB look good, to the pro scouts who are still no-doubt embarrassed about Wes being overlooked.
And they are BOTh offering $3M? Hardly likely. Maybe they are each offering $1.5m lol
Not the only one saying $3 million
http://m.newsok.com/ncaa-postcard-from-tulsa-sec-openings-could-delay-ou-coach-search/article/3550058?custom_click=headlines_widget
Here is part of what it says ...
The guy who I ran into knows a thing or two about what's happening in the coaching ranks. He told me that he didn't think Buzz Williams would take the OU job. Even though the Marquette coach is the guy at the top of everybody's list, the Sooners might not be the only ones eying him.
A couple of openings in the Southeastern Conference could be more enticing in both stature and salary.
Right now, Arkansas is the only SEC program with an opening, but after Tennessee's 30-point loss Friday, you have to wonder if the Vols might be in need of a new coach soon.
The salary might be as much as $3 million, and hey, if that's what someone's willing to offer Williams, it's hard to believe the Sooners will be able to match it.
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The guy he ran into was Gray Parrish! They keep recycling the same source over and over.
Also not the part is Red ... I take that to mean Parrish does not think Buzz is going to OU.
I don't think OU either. NCAA is sniffing them. I believe Arkansas is the school to watch.
Whether or not it was GP that she spoke to, who knows.
$3 million?
FUNNIEST SH1T I HAVE HEARD ALL YEAR.
I am as big a Buzz supporter you'll find, but 3mill for him is crazy, that puts him at what...3rd highest paid coach in the NCAA. I don't know, but for that kind of money i would think you could lure some bigger names.
Quote from: LAZER on March 18, 2011, 11:39:05 PM
I am as big a Buzz supporter you'll find, but 3mill for him is crazy, that puts him at what...3rd highest paid coach in the NCAA. I don't know, but for that kind of money i would think you could lure some bigger names.
I'd agree, but people with a lot of dough spend money foolishly all the time.
A lot of Walmart money down there. Shall be interesting
Makes sense to you?
Coach Team Average Salary (Millions)
John Calipari Kentucky 4
Billy Donovan Florida 3.5
Buzz Williams Arkansas 3
Bill Self Kansas 3
Thad Matta Ohio State 2.5
Jim Calhoun Connecticut 2.3
Rick Pitino Louisville 2.25
Roy Williams North Carolina 2.11
Rick Barnes Texas 2
Tom Izzo Michigan State 1.735
Ben Howland UCLA 1.5
Tom Crean Indiana 1.48
Mike Krzyzewski Duke 1.2
Jim Boeheim Syracuse 1.00
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If this happened, Buzz would be the only one on this list without a final four appearance. In fact he has only 2 NCAA victories.
If Buzz did leave, I'd find it kind of comical if he went to Tennessee... somewhere Tim Maymon would be crying and Jeronne would once again know he'd never be playing the 2 guard haha
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 18, 2011, 11:46:16 PM
Makes sense to you?
Coach Team Average Salary (Millions)
John Calipari Kentucky 4
Billy Donovan Florida 3.5
Buzz Williams Arkansas 3
Bill Self Kansas 3
Thad Matta Ohio State 2.5
Jim Calhoun Connecticut 2.3
Rick Pitino Louisville 2.25
Roy Williams North Carolina 2.11
Rick Barnes Texas 2
Tom Izzo Michigan State 1.735
Ben Howland UCLA 1.5
Tom Crean Indiana 1.48
Mike Krzyzewski Duke 1.2
Jim Boeheim Syracuse 1.00
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If this happened, Buzz would be the only one on this list without a final four appearance. In fact he has only 2 NCAA victories.
Looks like Coach K is due a raise---or he may bolt to Indiana for the $, or so here goes the theory, anyway.
Another...do you really believe Boeheim makes $1m? Of course not
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 18, 2011, 11:46:16 PM
Makes sense to you?
Coach Team Average Salary (Millions)
John Calipari Kentucky 4
Billy Donovan Florida 3.5
Buzz Williams Arkansas 3
Bill Self Kansas 3
Thad Matta Ohio State 2.5
Jim Calhoun Connecticut 2.3
Rick Pitino Louisville 2.25
Roy Williams North Carolina 2.11
Rick Barnes Texas 2
Tom Izzo Michigan State 1.735
Ben Howland UCLA 1.5
Tom Crean Indiana 1.48
Mike Krzyzewski Duke 1.2
Jim Boeheim Syracuse 1.00
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If this happened, Buzz would be the only one on this list without a final four appearance. In fact he has only 2 NCAA victories.
Very Faulty info.
USA Today, (in jan. 2010) for 2009-10, did a Total compensation review, when Buzz made only $400k, and it did a breakdown....Bill Self made $10 mill. (incl $7mil bonus) Coach K made 4million...........do you assume in the above listing, Duke cut him by $3mill/yr since then?
here is the year old listing , 2009-10, of 2009 tourney coaches pay database link:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/2010-coaches-salary-database.htm
Buzz got a MU raise for 2010-2011, not reflected in the aged report of USA Today.....given the database comparisons, he may deserve another from us, soon.
Take the money and run, Buzz. I want you around but that is ridiculous.
Yeah, $3 mill is completely stupid money. I want Buzz to stay, but if Ark offers that much HOW can you say no? Even if you last only 3-4 years, you're set if you invest/save wisely.
You guys can continue to speculate on this subject and listen to that idiot Parrish (who's entire job is to speculate to draw attention).
If you read Buzz's quoted from after the game in Rosiak's blog, I'm satisfied.
"I think that Marquette, as an institution, is about much more than just academics. And I think that -- I'm not a Jesuit, but I do have similar values. Very similar values."
and
"But the institution of Marquette and what I hope that our program represents as well is that it's got to be bigger than that. It's got to be deeper than that."
Buzz Williams
Quote from: NotAnAlum on March 19, 2011, 08:05:15 AM
You guys can continue to speculate on this subject and listen to that idiot Parrish (who's entire job is to speculate to draw attention).
If you read Buzz's quoted from after the game in Rosiak's blog, I'm satisfied.
"I think that Marquette, as an institution, is about much more than just academics. And I think that -- I'm not a Jesuit, but I do have similar values. Very similar values."
and
"But the institution of Marquette and what I hope that our program represents as well is that it's got to be bigger than that. It's got to be deeper than that."
Buzz Williams
so you likes marquette, doesn't say anything about staying
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 19, 2011, 02:26:49 AM
Another...do you really believe Boeheim makes $1m? Of course not
I goggled "college basketball coaches salaries" and that is what came up.
http://basketball.about.com/od/coaches/a/coach-salaries.htm
It's dated May 7, 2010
Forbes has one dated March 8, 2010
http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/05/calipari-donovan-pitino-business-sports-college-basketball-coaches.html
Coach Team Average Salary (Millions)
John Calipari Kentucky 4
Billy Donovan Florida 3.3
Buzz Williams Arkansas 3
Bill Self Kansas 3
Thad Matta Ohio State 2.5
Jim Calhoun Connecticut 2.3
Rick Pitino Louisville 2.25
Mike Krzyzewski Duke 2.2
Roy Williams North Carolina 2.2
Rick Barnes Texas 2
Bob Huggins WVU 2
Ben Howland UCLA 2
The Biggest difference is Coach K ... the first said 1.2 and the second said 2.2.
Regarding guys like Boeheim, Coach K, Roy Williams and why the are not at the top of the list. Because they have job security. They are going to coach at their institutions until they decided to retire. No one is running them off. So, money like Calipari is getting is not as critical, as Calipari understands he is a hired gun that will only be there a few years (when he's busted) so he needs to be paid upfront.
So, yes, their relatively lower salaries do make sense to me.
Don't you think Buzz would learn from the mistake Gillespie made? Or to a lesser extent (for now) that Crean seems to have made?
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 19, 2011, 08:39:17 AM
Don't you think Buzz would learn from the mistake Gillespie made? Or to a lesser extent (for now) that Crean seems to have made?
And Keno Davis, and.... It's a long list.
And those salary figures are just what the coaches get paid in salary from the university, it doesn't factor in the millions they get for bonuses, camps, appearances and other fees.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 19, 2011, 08:39:17 AMDon't you think Buzz would learn from the mistake Gillespie made? Or to a lesser extent (for now) that Crean seems to have made?
Gillispie yes, but I disagree on Crean. Everyone knew when he took over that it would be a long road back from Sampson. He has a very young team, an incoming McDonald's All-American, and a train of four and five star recruits coming in from 2011 through 2014. If he can keep all the guys who've verbaled to Indiana, Crean should have them back in the national title race within 3-5 years.
Maybe that's the difference between him and Buzz. Crean felt he needed to go to Indiana to recruit that next level of players, and now that he's there, it seems he was right. Buzz is recruiting similar kids here. Crean may be behind a desk now, but he'll be back in the NCAAs before too long, and I wouldn't mind in 2 years seeing a Buzz/Crean matchup in the first round. The SC just loves those types of stories...
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 18, 2011, 11:43:44 PM
I'd agree, but people with a lot of dough spend money foolishly all the time.
A lot of Walmart money down there. Shall be interesting
Yep, raise the cost of wal mart toilet paper 10 cents and make another donation.
I don't have the inclination to look it up, but there have been multiple stories out there through the years that have shown the relationship between coach/salary and long-term success is weak tea.
Those same stories have always shown that the significant relationship is between coach/time and long-term success.
In other words, building an elite program is less about the money paid than about the stability and lack of turnover in the coaching spot.
I just look at Calhoun, Boeheim, Krzyzewski, etc. The common element is that they are rock solid in their tenure at their schools and they compete for dominance nearly every year.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 19, 2011, 10:06:24 AM
Gillispie yes, but I disagree on Crean. Everyone knew when he took over that it would be a long road back from Sampson. He has a very young team, an incoming McDonald's All-American, and a train of four and five star recruits coming in from 2011 through 2014. If he can keep all the guys who've verbaled to Indiana, Crean should have them back in the national title race within 3-5 years.
Maybe that's the difference between him and Buzz. Crean felt he needed to go to Indiana to recruit that next level of players, and now that he's there, it seems he was right. Buzz is recruiting similar kids here. Crean may be behind a desk now, but he'll be back in the NCAAs before too long, and I wouldn't mind in 2 years seeing a Buzz/Crean matchup in the first round. The SC just loves those types of stories...
For those that are huge Jay Bilas fans, he was basically raving about TC last night and talked about how IU had to totally blow up their program...he was comparing it to what might have to happen at Tennessee. I had to chuckle a bit. Wish I had the video as it probably would have made some Bilas fans \ TC haters cringe.
Parrish with some more Buzz love...
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/14829974/breaking-down-holloway-leads-to-marquette-baffling-xavier
Quote from: RBSC on March 19, 2011, 10:53:04 AM
I don't have the inclination to look it up, but there have been multiple stories out there through the years that have shown the relationship between coach/salary and long-term success is weak tea.
Those same stories have always shown that the significant relationship is between coach/time and long-term success.
In other words, building an elite program is less about the money paid than about the stability and lack of turnover in the coaching spot.
I just look at Calhoun, Boeheim, Krzyzewski, etc. The common element is that they are rock solid in their tenure at their schools and they compete for dominance nearly every year.
This is the difference between IU and many of the other potential job openings: IU is committed to cleaning up the mess Sampson made, and they're committed to giving Crean the time to do it. Most other programs are looking for a "win now" hire, which rarely works in college.
$3 million a year? Only in America. Hope he gets it because every up and coming guy should want to want to come here. Forget putting out NBA players we put out highly paid coaches. Cracks me up because three years ago he would have taken $3 million for 8 years.
Buzz I want you to stay, but take the dough!!! If he gets fxxk you money from someone it will be one of the greatest moments in MU ball for me. Al in his heyday could not have leveraged his situation to this extent.
God bless Buzz! Anything can happen in America. I have a new role model if this happens.
Here is the video of Bilas
http://www.youtube.com/v/kdvwTYLcRRI
Gary Parrish will look awfully silly if Mike Anderson doesn't take the Arkansas position.
Thank you...yes, that is the video. The Bilas lovers here probably are catatonic right now. ;D
I have lived in a small state before and people definitely look at how the universities spend their money. Public employee salaries come from tax money. It does not matter what other money the sport brings in from direct revenues or boosters.
The citizens of Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Tennessee are not going to want to pay some dude named Buzz $3 million. That is a PR nightmare for states trying to trim budgets.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 20, 2011, 04:29:58 PM
Thank you...yes, that is the video. The Bilas lovers here probably are catatonic right now. ;D
Tom Crean is a good basketball coach. I can see why many Marquette fans didn't like how he handled his exit from the program because i'm one of them and how he loved basking in his name being mentioned for other jobs, but it would take someone being a blind hater of Crean to say he's a poor college basketball coach.
His recruiting was kinda erratic here and that led to some seasons having to go to the NIT, but don't view Marquette as a program which should expect an NCAA Tournament bid each year like a Duke or Kansas fan should expect it.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on March 20, 2011, 05:05:28 PM
I have lived in a small state before and people definitely look at how the universities spend their money. Public employee salaries come from tax money. It does not matter what other money the sport brings in from direct revenues or boosters.
The citizens of Oklahoma, Arkansas, and Tennessee are not going to want to pay some dude named Buzz $3 million. That is a PR nightmare for states trying to trim budgets.
Don't you think a number of citizens in those states will do anything to win, especially those in states where the big flagship college IS their pro franchise in many respects?
The one thing that does come into the equation is the football side of things. No way the bball coach is going to be paid more than the football coach, but the football coaches at OU, UT, UA are paid pretty well.
Top 10 as of 2009
1. Pete Carroll (USC) $4.39M
2. Bob Stoops (OU) $4.3M3. Urban Meyer (Fla) $4M
4. Nick Saban (Ala) $3.9M
5. Les Miles (LSU) $3.75M
6. Jim Tressel (Ohio St.) $3.72
7. Mark Richt (Georgia) $3.1M
8. Mack Brown (Texas) $3.06M
9. Kirck Ferentz (Iowa) $3.02M
10. Bobby Petrino (Arkansas) $3.86
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 20, 2011, 05:12:54 PM
Don't you think a number of citizens in those states will do anything to win, especially those in states where the big flagship college IS their pro franchise in many respects?
The one thing that does come into the equation is the football side of things. No way the bball coach is going to be paid more than the football coach, but the football coaches at OU, UT, UA are paid pretty well.
Top 10 as of 2009
1. Pete Carroll (USC) $4.39M
2. Bob Stoops (OU) $4.3M
3. Urban Meyer (Fla) $4M
4. Nick Saban (Ala) $3.9M
5. Les Miles (LSU) $3.75M
6. Jim Tressel (Ohio St.) $3.72
7. Mark Richt (Georgia) $3.1M
8. Mack Brown (Texas) $3.06M
9. Kirck Ferentz (Iowa) $3.02M
10. Bobby Petrino (Arkansas) $3.86
I don't think that people care too much about basketball in those states. It would be a PR nightmare.
Iowa is the state I lived in and people are not happy about #9 on your list there. It's not going to change anything, but it was a PR nightmare when Iowa was finishing .500. Buzz will face the same problems. Football is king and the moneymaker. It would be hard to have Buzz making $3M at a state school. Any time teachers' salaries are cut in Oklahoma, Buzz's salary would be included in the article.
Basketball is big both in Arkansas and OK. The programs have long history of success and they back those programs. OK so much at OK State is a good program as well. Do people really care what the coach is paid? I pay taxes in WI and do not care UW coaches are paid.
Quote from: El Duderino on March 20, 2011, 05:09:53 PM
Tom Crean is a good basketball coach. I can see why many Marquette fans didn't like how he handled his exit from the program because i'm one of them and how he loved basking in his name being mentioned for other jobs, but it would take someone being a blind hater of Crean to say he's a poor college basketball coach.
How long you been here...there are a bunch of blind haters present ;)
Quote from: Goose on March 20, 2011, 05:25:58 PM
Do people really care what the coach is paid? I pay taxes in WI and do not care UW coaches are paid.
You would be very surprised at how angry people get about stuff like that. Especially when there tax money goes to someone who is not winning. You also don't see UW coaches on these lists of highest paid coaches. Buzz would stand out big time at $3M.
Buzz will not be getting $3M. He may end up at OU, but not for that much. I am only saying this because MU will be able to match Buzz's offer when it comes. Buzz will leave because he wants to. Not because MU is being outbid by a football state school.
Maybe Oklahoma can go after this guy.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news?slug=dw-wetzel_brown_wants_to_go_back_to_school_032011