It's unbelievable how much hate I hear from my friends, relatives, and co-workers. I put my Marquette banner up at my desk and all I get is smirks from co-workers who have Wisconsin banners up. My friends all tell me how it's a huge joke to have 11 teams in the Big East in the tourney, and how Marquette does not deserve it. People on JSOnline are clearly Wisconsin fans and Marquette haters--in recent polls about Marquette's chances to make the tourney and to beat Xavier, most people vote "no" or "they will not make it". I don't even look at the comments of Rosiak's blogs anymore since it's just people bashing Marquette.
As uneducated about basketball and tourney selection as these people are, why all the Marquette hate? What is it about the state of Wisconsin that they just can't stand Marquette basketball? Is it that we've won a national championship when it mattered, is it the sense of disgust for private schools, or the love of football (and the fact that Marquette is a basketball only school)? Or some other reason?
Does anyone else experience this kind of hate towards their favorite team, or is this just a state of Wisconsin thing?
I don't. I didn't when I lived in Wisconsin either. I think some people just like to feel oppressed.
Didn't the state vote for a Marquette alum as their governor.....wait, that might not be a good example. ;)
I do not think it is hate at all. Actually it probably is a general lack of respect. It seems to me that the media provides no positive support and we might not flaunt being alums enough. There are times that I am with MU alums and they almost seem to embarrassed to say they went to MU.
Sad part is that 25 years ago UW was much less highly regarded as MU. They obviously have done great job improving and the school and a better job improving athletics. Our athletic (bball) is our greatest advertisement to the rest of the country. That is why I believe we need to make every effort to move up the ball food chain and do so ASAP.
Actually, Walker never graduated from MU.
I've always thought MU was an island in Wisconsin, surrounded on all sides by douchy UW fans.
1.Private School
2.Has 1/4 of students from Illinois
3.Students are usually boss's of most people in state
4.Black student athletes
I believe that #4 is the main reason as the average joe in wisconsin can not relate to black athletes.
Marquette needs to embrace this role of the evil empire kinda like cincinnati did or UNLV Did. We need to carve out our own niche and our own fan base not try to convert dumb hillibillies from Crivitz
Quote from: Boone on March 18, 2011, 02:20:38 PM
Actually, Walker never graduated from MU.
I've always thought MU was an island in Wisconsin, surrounded on all sides by douchy UW fans.
I realize that, but you don't have to graduate to be an alum
We're in the middle of Big Ten country. There's bound to be a certain amount of jealousy from the farmboys and girls.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on March 18, 2011, 02:24:41 PM
We're in the middle of Big Ten country. There's bound to be a certain amount of jealousy from the farmboys and girls.
This.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 18, 2011, 02:23:21 PM
I realize that, but you don't have to graduate to be an alum
Correct. I think Marquette considers anyone who has completed 21 credits an alum... DWade is a good example of an alum who didn't graduate.
Not just the state but in the city of Milwaukee as well. Amazing last night how many Badger fans were out rooting on Bucky at local establishments in Milwaukee. Guaranteed you won't see 1/2 the turnout tonight for MU. Even in Milwaukee Marquette is viewed as "want them to win, but really don't care either way." A lot of factors go into it... style of play, stigma of being a stuck up private school, only rich people to Marquette, no football - translates into lack of interest for bball, racism card, etc... The Bucks are viewed the same way unfortunately. Too much Bucky love all around, probably due to all the goodwill the football team earned.
Quote from: TrueBlueAndGold on March 18, 2011, 02:29:59 PM
Correct. I think Marquette considers anyone who has completed 21 credits an alum... DWade is a good example of an alum who didn't graduate.
Didn't Dwyane Wade graduate just recently?
I'd simply guess that due to Wisconsin getting good in basketball again..in the last 15 years..that they just mouth off a lot more now...and are much more proud to pound their chest. It also helps their football team has been good for the last 15 years as well.
Prior to 1993...there wasn't really a whole lot UW alum, or fans could be proud of with regard to athletic accomplishment...
Being from Chicago I will only say that there is more animosity for Marquette in Wisconsin than there is for Depaul/Loyola/Northwestern in Illinois. And this has very little to do about sports as it is a general vibe.
Is it Marquette's fault? Maybe partially. Is it simply private school thing? Probably a little. I really don't know the reasons but you definitely see more animosity versus private schools in other states.
Sadly, we even have fans who aren't comfortable with #4.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 18, 2011, 02:21:56 PM
Marquette needs to embrace this role of the evil empire kinda like cincinnati did or UNLV Did. We need to carve out our own niche and our own fan base not try to convert dumb hillibillies from Crivitz
I reside in Cincinnati, and frankly there is no comparison. As a rule, the city gets behind UC regardless of whether or not they attended the school. Further, there doesn't seem to be a huge hate between UC and OSU so the fans of both schools root for each other. This in no way describes how things are in WI.....not even in MU's backyard of Milwaukee, something that is very disappointing.
Not to stir anything up but I think the recent activity in Madison indicates the beliefs of many Wisconsinites. Most people I know from MU, faculty excluded, probably are on different side of the Walker debate. Seems to me it almost became politically incorrect to be proud you attend or attended private school.
Quote from: Boone on March 18, 2011, 02:39:35 PM
Sadly, we even have fans who aren't comfortable with #4.
Funny story regarding #4. Went to the MU/UW game in Madison during the 3-amigos junior season. We were sitting next to an older couple and when MU came out to get loose before tip the woman commented to her husband, "They have lots of colored people". We just covered our faces and shook our heads. An unfortunate and somewhat unexpected reality still in 2007
Quote from: MarquetteDano on March 18, 2011, 02:39:23 PM
Being from Chicago I will only say that there is more animosity for Marquette in Wisconsin than there is for Depaul/Loyola/Northwestern in Illinois. And this has very little to do about sports as it is a general vibe.
My guess is that there is a lot more white trash in out-state WI than in the suburbs of Chicago.
Quote from: Goose on March 18, 2011, 02:17:24 PM
There are times that I am with MU alums and they almost seem to embarrassed to say they went to MU.
You need new friends. Embarrasssed? That is ridiculous. I love saying telling people, when asked, I went to Marquette. I feel nothing but pride and enjoy their reactions when they find that out. Even at bars its never turned into fisticuffs or anything, just playful ribbing of the other's school being inferior.
Thanks Jay for the advice. Maybe my MU friends and I need to avoid sticky situations. I proudly state I am MU grad. It seems to me that depending on the company of the evening I see my friends gringe on occassion. Rather than looking a UW grad in the eye with pride they state MU and hope conversation moves on.
Again, I will work on the new set of friends this weekend!!
Quote from: OhioGoldenEagle on March 18, 2011, 02:49:35 PM
Funny story regarding #4. Went to the MU/UW game in Madison during the 3-amigos junior season. We were sitting next to an older couple and when MU came out to get loose before tip the woman commented to her husband, "They have lots of colored people". We just covered our faces and shook our heads. An unfortunate and somewhat unexpected reality still in 2007
From liberal, tolerant, Madison you heard this? SHOCKED I tell ya...SHOCKED
I had it twice as bad in the state of Wisconsin cause I am from Illinois... so everyone in Wisconsin are a bunch of haters either way.
Quote from: Goose on March 18, 2011, 02:55:59 PM
Again, I will work on the new set of friends this weekend!!
I wish you well on your endeavor.
Cheers.
Jay---Will you be my friend?
Hmmmm, everyone i know wants Marquette to win today and i'm not an MU alum.
Quote from: Goose on March 18, 2011, 03:03:24 PM
Jay---Will you be my friend?
Jay Bilas will be everyones friend... as long as you weren't on the selection committee. If you were, I would like to show you that a Basketball is, in fact, round.
Quote from: El Duderino on March 18, 2011, 03:06:05 PM
Hmmmm, everyone i know wants Marquette to win today and i'm not an MU alum.
Diamond in the rough
As a Marquette grad/alum I have never experienced hatred. I have experienced envy about our talented basketball team over the years. Many say that MU has NBA type players that don't play as a team as well as UW. I have also experienced the claim that MU alums are wealthy, because the tuition is so much higher than UW. I have always loved Marquette basketball and the school and am proud to wear the gold or MU logo gear through out the year.
msbjim--Tuition is the answer my friend. My friends are embarrassed because most people we live near or associate with are public school supporters. Many feel if you attend private school you are either rich or stupid.
Quote from: Goose on March 18, 2011, 02:17:24 PM
I do not think it is hate at all. Actually it probably is a general lack of respect. It seems to me that the media provides no positive support and we might not flaunt being alums enough. There are times that I am with MU alums and they almost seem to embarrassed to say they went to MU.
Sad part is that 25 years ago UW was much less highly regarded as MU. They obviously have done great job improving and the school and a better job improving athletics. Our athletic (bball) is our greatest advertisement to the rest of the country. That is why I believe we need to make every effort to move up the ball food chain and do so ASAP.
UW was once EXTREMELY lightly regarded. I went to grade school with John Coatta, Jr. son of the UW football coach, in the late 60's. We kidded him mercilessly over his dad's failures!! Yes, Madison kids ragging the son of the UW football coach.
Coach Coatta holds an NCAA record: 0-23, in his first 23 games, at UW. He rebounded to a coaching carreer mark of 3-26-1, before being fired. The rumor was UW hired him over another candidate, Miami Univ.'s Bo Schembechler.
I left Wisconsin 32 years ago, but until Alvarez' resurgence, UW had little more cache' ,here in Houston, than Marquette's (of course, I first have to explain Marquette is not in the UP of Michigan, --lol)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 18, 2011, 02:59:26 PM
From liberal, tolerant, Madison you heard this? SHOCKED I tell ya...SHOCKED
Most likely not from Madison, but from rube-central that surrounds it.
Part of it is rivalry, but I think it goes beyond that. The private school thing is the biggest part, and it carries over to the HS level as well. Most people in WI think anyone that goes to a private school must be a stuck-up rich kid.
Plus all the people from the UW-Hyphen schools associate themselves with the Badgers as well. There's no Wisconsin State to balance things out.
It is a Wisconsin thing. Other than the whole 'way up there?' thing that happens about a third of the time when I say I went to Marquette, anybody with even a slight bit of knowledge of college athletics here in Michigan respects MU. And a surprising number acknowledge how tough the BEast is in basketball, though they still defend their Spartans and Wolverines. The only ones who ever take shots at MU are the ND alums.
It really is sad the way the Wisconsin media, especially the JS (except Rosiak who is balanced) and people of WI treat and react to MU after all the good things that MU does for the city and state.
When I want to go out slumming on the East Side of Milw., I only wear my colors when I'm in the mood for some barroom argument... I know that MU just seems to incite people.
My opinions for this sad 'tude do not reflect well on my home state:
- latent anti-Catholicism (I think there is more of that than you'd might expect)
- outright prejudice about (new code phrase) MU plays "urban ball" versus UW's Bo who plays white kids and wins...they just love that when you pin them down.
- view MU as a rich kids school (envy)
Today's small example was listening to "our" radio station this morning, ESPN Milw., and the sportscasters were defining MU fans snidely as "Dentists and lawyers" will be upset if MU loses. Was that necessary? We ought to be proud of our Dent and Law school grads, but was that funny to characterize MU that way.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 18, 2011, 02:23:21 PM
I realize that, but you don't have to graduate to be an alum
As a third definition of alumnus (below in navy font), so only somewhat technically. Because I have Marquette parchment and Walker doesn't (was suppose to graduate in 1991 with Chicos and I but he quit, typical for.....) I would not consider him an alumni.
An alumnus (pl. alumni), according to the American Heritage Dictionary, is "a graduate of a school, college, or university."[1] An alumnus can also be a former member, employee, contributor or inmate as well as a former student.[2][3] In addition, an alumna (pl. alumnae) is "a female graduate or former student of a school, college, or university".[4] If a group includes both genders, even if there is only one male, the plural form alumni is used.
MU needs basketball to thrive for the school to get respect. UW went from being a "joke" of a school to national scene and it all started with Donna S as the chief. She promoted sports and hired skilled people to make it work. Forget the direct revenues that UW receive from sports the indirect mean more. More out of state and out country students every year.
It is said but more people in USA know Gonzaga than MU. If it were not for AL many business associates out of state never would have heard of MU. For younger group on here Dwade was your AL.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 18, 2011, 03:32:18 PM
Most likely not from Madison, but from rube-central that surrounds it.
Based on my visits to Madison, I'm not so sure. Not sure I've seen a more lilly-white city in my life that wasn't located in Utah, N.Dakota or S.Dakota.
I kind of feel like state and public institutions get more support than private schools because they wear the name of the city or state on their jerseys. People who grow up in that state or city feel like that team represents more than just that school, it represents the area the school is in and the people from that area. I believe the earlier mentioned Cinci example, where the city gets behind them no matter what, is a great example of this because people in Cinci generally do not go bonkers for Xavier, but they're willing to for UC.
Quote from: Goose on March 18, 2011, 03:16:28 PM
msbjim--Tuition is the answer my friend. My friends are embarrassed because most people we live near or associate with are public school supporters. Many feel if you attend private school you are either rich or stupid.
So what you are really saying is that others are jealous?
Look, in today's world, more than just rich kids go to private schools. Almost nobody pays the full load at MU or at other private institutions. Is it expensive? Of course. But private education is not just for rich kids.
If you go to a private (expensive school) you are stupid? Just to silly to respond to.
By the way, how do you feel about it. You say your friends are embarrassed, but you aren't, right?
Quote from: jaybilaswho? on March 18, 2011, 03:07:16 PM
Jay Bilas will be everyones friend... as long as you weren't on the selection committee. If you were, I would like to show you that a Basketball is, in fact, round.
Technically only while at rest
Unholy liberals that are filled with jealously. Of course the majority envies us. Such envy takes on the appearance of hatred. Simply pray for them.
It has a lot to do with the common folk thinking they have more in common with a Wisconsin grad than they do a Marquette Grad.
The average Working Class Milwaukee area WHITE person believes Marquette is
1.All Marquette students are from Illinois
2.Marquette cost 1 million dollars to go to
3.Everyone at Marquette is living off Daddies Trust Fund
4.Marquette has a bunch of Black basketball players that murder puppies.
The average Working Class Milwaukee are white believes Wisconsin Is
1.All students from @ wisconisn are from Wisconsin
2.Wisconsin cost 4 dollars and 50 cents for instate tuition
3.Everyone at Wisconsin is putting in a double @ Allis Chalmers just to afford tuition
4.Wisconsin players are a bunch of hard working guys whose dad works at Ladisch or Mercury Motors and have no athletic ability yet persevere over everything.
The sad part is that I am willing to wager that Marquette Has:
1.Less than 1/4 of the students from Illinois
2.Cost rather comparable to Wisconsin when you include scholarships
3.How many work class people did you know at Marquette: ALOT
4.No black player would want to go somewhere your fans still think it is appropriate to use the term "Colored"
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 18, 2011, 03:55:46 PM
Based on my visits to Madison, I'm not so sure. Not sure I've seen a more lilly-white city in my life that wasn't located in Utah, N.Dakota or S.Dakota.
You must not have been to Madison in the last 10 years then. The city of Madison has a large ethnic mix now.
I agree with the one poster about the anti-private school issue's in sports at the high school level. I think some of these younger posters who didn't grow up when there were separate entities are increasingly upset that some private schools have won state basketball championships, especially at the WIAA D3 level. Go on Wishoops.com's message board and I'm sure there is complaining today because LaCrosse Aquinas and Racine St. Catherine's will meet for the state championship tomorrow. What they won't say is that all of the other 4 divisions will crown public schools as champions this weekend and football is typically dominated by public schools. This transfers over to Marquette more and more among the state's fans, but that's my opinion only.
SoCalEagle---I am very proud that I am part of a large family MU alums. Love the place and proud of it and appreciate the experience a great deal. My point on being stupid is that many public school believers think it is stupid to pay private school rates. My comment has nothing to do with IQ, rather how you spend money. I have heard 100 times why would you pay MU rates for your kid when UW is half the cost. A solid argument if you only look at cost. I believe MU brings plenty to the table that UW does not.
Sorry if my point was not stated correctly.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on March 18, 2011, 02:39:23 PM
Being from Chicago I will only say that there is more animosity for Marquette in Wisconsin than there is for Depaul/Loyola/Northwestern in Illinois. And this has very little to do about sports as it is a general vibe.
In Illinois, loyally cheering on the state university (-ies) is also nothing like the default option it seems to be in Wisconsin.
Quote from: TedBaxter on March 18, 2011, 04:24:09 PM
You must not have been to Madison in the last 10 years then. The city of Madison has a large ethnic mix now.
I agree with the one poster about the anti-private school issue's in sports at the high school level. I think some of these younger posters who didn't grow up when there were separate entities are increasingly upset that some private schools have won state basketball championships, especially at the WIAA D3 level. Go on Wishoops.com's message board and I'm sure there is complaining today because LaCrosse Aquinas and Racine St. Catherine's will meet for the state championship tomorrow. What they won't say is that all of the other 4 divisions will crown public schools as champions this weekend and football is typically dominated by public schools. This transfers over to Marquette more and more among the state's fans, but that's my opinion only.
I work attend many conferences on street gangs each year and all i need to say is that Madison is the WORST when it comes to gangs. The constituents of Madison turn a complete blind I to what is going on in their city as some sides of Madison are infested with GD's.
The part of Madison that UW and the people of wisconsin try to present is nothing near the reality of the poverty and gang violence that is in madison. The same people who always clammer for social justice in Madison are to busy stroking themselves off when they should be helping out their fellow man.
Marquette students are at least active in the community with Hunger cleanup, service learning, and funding catholic schools in crime ridden parts of the city
Time for a little perspective.
I am from Wisconsin. I grew up here. I have lived in Milwaukee, the Fox Valley, and in Madison. I have seen Badger fans of all ilk.
There are many reasons people don't really care about Marquette. None of them are political. Really, thats asinine.
As a teenager in Wisconsin there is only one football team to cheer for. The Badgers. Unless you want to be ostracized you watch and follow and root for the Badgers. Then when it comes time for basketball season, you have a choice. You can cheer for the team that has the state's name on it, the same team you cheer on in football, and the same team that a great majority of the people who went to college in Wisconsin cheer for... or you can cheer for that small private school in Milwaukee and buy all new gear for basketball season.
The decision is simple for 95% of the people. Wisconsin all the way.
Now, as a Wisconsin resident, in my teenage years I wanted to go to UW. It was a great state school, that is inexpensive and it was where my favorite teams played. I got wait listed with really good grades, ACT, and activities. I wouldn't get a response from UW until APRIL that said I had gotten in. By that time, I had visited that small private school in Milwaukee in a sleet storm in February. I walked around through the union. Through the cramped all men's dorm rooms at OD. I looked around the seemingly ancient health sciences building on 16th street. And it just felt right.
Two days later I decided to attend MU, and I never regretted it for a moment.
The real reason that people don't know, or have disdain for Marquette in the state of Wisconsin is that they are inundated with Bucky from the day they are born until the day they graduate high school... Unless they are lucky enough to have a family member that went to Marquette.
QuoteMy opinions for this sad 'tude do not reflect well on my home state:
- latent anti-Catholicism (I think there is more of that than you'd might expect)
- outright prejudice about (new code phrase) MU plays "urban ball" versus UW's Bo who plays white kids and wins...they just love that when you pin them down.
- view MU as a rich kids school (envy)
This is flatly ridiculous. The Fox Valley is prodominantly Catholic... and I have never heard a negative WORD in Madison or Milwaukee that was anti-Catholic... and not being Catholic myself, you'd think I'd be privy to those types of conversations.
The UW people I know don't care that MU has black players, and that UW has white players. They care that they win basketball games. I think that Marquette fans (in general) make a bigger deal about UW being a bunch of 'stupid farm boy hicks' than UW fans do about MU having a bunch of 'ghetto stupid thugs'. Its a crutch that we pull out and I am sick of it.
I can tell you, as a person who went to public school that I never envied a single private school kid. Xavier HS was the local private (catholic!!) school, and we played them in all of our sports. Many of them were our friends, and we teased them about their uniforms and many things... but we never envied them. As the son of two educators I can tell you that anyone can attend Marquette, not just the rich kids.
Just hoping to provide a little balanced insight here rather than some of the ridiculous claptrap that is being posted above.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 18, 2011, 04:43:31 PM
I work attend many conferences on street gangs each year and all i need to say is that Madison is the WORST when it comes to gangs. The constituents of Madison turn a complete blind I to what is going on in their city as some sides of Madison are infested with GD's.
The part of Madison that UW and the people of wisconsin try to present is nothing near the reality of the poverty and gang violence that is in madison. The same people who always clammer for social justice in Madison are to busy stroking themselves off when they should be helping out their fellow man.
Marquette students are at least active in the community with Hunger cleanup, service learning, and funding catholic schools in crime ridden parts of the city
This is the kind of garbage that I am talking about. Does Madison have its problems like every city of its size? Yes! Is Milwaukee still one of the (if not the most) segregated cities in the US? Yes. Please don't pretend that UW students aren't involved in community service. I live here, and I can tell you that is just insincere.
I am not saying Madison is the Utopia it purports to be, because it isn't. But I will give Madison some credit for trying to take steps to reduce the problems that other cities just leave sit for decades.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 18, 2011, 03:45:44 PM
As a third definition of alumnus (below in navy font), so only somewhat technically. Because I have Marquette parchment and Walker doesn't (was suppose to graduate in 1991 with Chicos and I but he quit, typical for.....) I would not consider him an alumni.
An alumnus (pl. alumni), according to the American Heritage Dictionary, is "a graduate of a school, college, or university."[1] An alumnus can also be a former member, employee, contributor or inmate as well as a former student.[2][3] In addition, an alumna (pl. alumnae) is "a female graduate or former student of a school, college, or university".[4] If a group includes both genders, even if there is only one male, the plural form alumni is used.
Grammatically, it would be impossible to consider Walker an alumnus -- but only, I'm sorry to say, because the singular forms are alumnus and alumna. The definition quoted above doesn't mean that we call a single male alumnus an alumni, just that a class of 15 women and one man is identified as alumni rather than alumnae.
Having attended a private high school in Northeast Wisconsin I can attest to the fact that anyone not affiliated with the school thought that the students there were rich, BMW-driving, drug-using, trust-fund-spending sh!ts. As the only private school in our conference (at the time...there has since been realignment with which I haven't kept up), all of the public schools HATED us. Even the nearby public schools in other conferences HATED us. And we reveled in it.
I grew up in Wisconsin. I have a lot of friends and family who attended UW or one of the satellites. I have no problem with the UW alums cheering for Bucky. I have no problem with a UW-M alum cheering for the Panthers, nor do I begrudge the UW-GB alum who roots for his Fighting Phoenix. The reaction I get from many of them (generally NOT the actual UW alums) when discussing Marquette is strikingly similar to what I experienced in high school.
Go ahead, UW (blank) alumnus, hate me because I went to a private university instead of your beloved UW (whose admission I declined, yet you were too dumb to get into). Hate me because my friends are lawyers, dentists, accountants and doctors. Hate me because my alma mater's basketball team has actually won something of merit in its history, and has contributed one of the sport's indelible personalities to its history. Hate me because that same program has a rich history of recruiting outside the upper Midwest kids who might not have had the most wholesome upbringing. Hate me because I don't bow to the altar of Bucky. But mostly hate me because you're ignorant. Peace.
/drops mic
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 18, 2011, 04:18:22 PM
Unholy liberals that are filled with jealously. Of course the majority envies us. Such envy takes on the appearance of hatred. Simply pray for them.
JB, there are a lot of "holy" liberals at MU, too. Something about that "social justice" thing that Jebbies are always talking about.
Quote from: Goose on March 18, 2011, 04:26:34 PM
SoCalEagle---I am very proud that I am part of a large family MU alums. Love the place and proud of it and appreciate the experience a great deal. My point on being stupid is that many public school believers think it is stupid to pay private school rates. My comment has nothing to do with IQ, rather how you spend money. I have heard 100 times why would you pay MU rates for your kid when UW is half the cost. A solid argument if you only look at cost. I believe MU brings plenty to the table that UW does not.
Sorry if my point was not stated correctly.
Goose, it sounds like you are a proud alum. Now you just need to educate your buds on why they should be proud, too.
Go Marquette!!
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 18, 2011, 04:49:28 PM
This is the kind of garbage that I am talking about. Does Madison have its problems like every city of its size? Yes! Is Milwaukee still one of the (if not the most) segregated cities in the US? Yes. Please don't pretend that UW students aren't involved in community service. I live here, and I can tell you that is just insincere.
I am not saying Madison is the Utopia it purports to be, because it isn't. But I will give Madison some credit for trying to take steps to reduce the problems that other cities just leave sit for decades.
Madison has done little if any step to curb the gang problem. The cities hands are tied as they are still experimenting with what are called "hug a thug" programs which have not worked.
M
59% of MU students come from a state other than Wisconsin.
32% of UW students come from a state other than Wisconsin.
Source: http://www.marquette.edu/oira/documents/MU-CDS-1011-Final.pdf
The City of Madison still remains a largely "white" city. My guess is that there are as many claiming Asian ethnicity as African American.
UW has roughly a 77% white student body, versus Marquette's 80%, but the big difference is again the Asian factor. UW has 1,659 Asian students and 754 African American students (undergrad), while Marquette has 288 Asian and 380 African American.
Source for UW information: http://apa.wisc.edu/CDS_USNews/CDS_2011.pdf
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 18, 2011, 02:59:26 PM
From liberal, tolerant, Madison you heard this? SHOCKED I tell ya...SHOCKED
They ARE tolerant. Just as long as you hold their views, that is. ;)
Grew up in semi-rural Wisconsin, went to MU, worked in Milwaukee, worked in Chicago. To the average, small town Wisconsinite, Milwaukee is the edge of the earth (Chicago might as well be another planet). Most cannot comprehend going to school in Milwaukee, much less a private school. Any animosity for Marquette is based in ignorance.
Quote from: AZWarrior on March 18, 2011, 05:20:53 PM
They ARE tolerant. Just as long as you hold their views, that is. ;)
Can we please not turn this into one of 'those' threads?
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 18, 2011, 05:26:49 PM
Can we please not turn this into one of 'those' threads?
Uh, sorry. Didn't realize I was being inflamatory......
they don't like us because the cheese is getting to their heads... har har har
Quote from: MUinSF on March 18, 2011, 04:53:37 PM
Grammatically, it would be impossible to consider Walker an alumnus -- but only, I'm sorry to say, because the singular forms are alumnus and alumna. The definition quoted above doesn't mean that we call a single male alumnus an alumni, just that a class of 15 women and one man is identified as alumni rather than alumnae.
My Latin is a little rusty. My Avalanche Bar hat has a nice Latin saying on it, "Illegetimi non carobundum." or something like that. I think it means Xavier is evil and must be destroyed.
the city of Madison still lists 84% of the residents as white.
6% black, 6% asian and 4% hispanic.
not exactly a ethnic melting pot unless the suburbs are more diverse.
Take it with a grain of salt. Loved my time at Marquette and in Wisconsin, but c'mon "It's Wisconsin, it's Wisconsin." Never quite understood it though, the disregard for Marquette. UW has a great campus, resources, etc., while Marquette, being a Catholic/Jesuit Institution doesn't have the financial resources of a UW. Never have seen this kind of animosity toward a school in any other state. Perhaps it comes from those Wisconsinites that never left the state and have a very parochial (limited) worldview. Who knows.......
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 18, 2011, 05:39:44 PM
My Latin is a little rusty. My Avalanche Bar hat has a nice Latin saying on it, "Illegetimi non carobundum." or something like that. I think it means Xavier is evil and must be destroyed.
I desperately wish I had that hat. A friend whose dad taught Latin told me it means 'Don't let the bastards get you down,' if my two-decades-old recollection is accurate-ish. Always loved that.
I think it's mainly the football. There isn't enough animosity among students towards UW today. A ton of students were raised badger fans and they refuse to give up this allegiance when they choose to attend Marquette. It's a different era. There's even a sense among few that during the basketball season, if the badgers beat Marquette, all is not lost. In my estimation, if you really "love" college football so much, then you should have gone to UW, Iowa, or whichever school you're rooting for.
I outwardly dislike every other major institution's athletics programs, other than WVU and UNC, which are the schools in which my brothers' attend (even then, I don't pretend to be some diehard West Virginia football fan in the fall). It doesn't make sense to me any other way. What tie do I have to Illinois, for example (I grew up near Chicago)? I would understand these sentiments out of community college or smaller state school students that couldn't afford to go to the university they wanted, but to be a UW fan while attending Marquette? Inexcusable on every level.
I worked for the local newspaper and when MU won the NCAA Championship, I couldn't believe our sports editor put the full story on page 2 of sports. He got a lot of calls, because up here in Marshfield, there are many MU fans.
The same is for Loserville. Whatever they do, Kentucky is still No. 1 in that state. Loserville is second.
To my point about UW and its alumni being OK...
Quote@UWMadison UW-Madison
Brilliant upset, @Marquetteu! Way to represent our great state of #Wisconsin. #pride #MUBB
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Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 18, 2011, 04:46:12 PM
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My opinions for this sad 'tude do not reflect well on my home state:
- latent anti-Catholicism (I think there is more of that than you'd might expect)
- outright prejudice about (new code phrase) MU plays "urban ball" versus UW's Bo who plays white kids and wins...they just love that when you pin them down.
- view MU as a rich kids school (envy)
This is flatly ridiculous. The Fox Valley is prodominantly Catholic... and I have never heard a negative WORD in Madison or Milwaukee that was anti-Catholic... and not being Catholic myself, you'd think I'd be privy to those types of conversations.
The UW people I know don't care that MU has black players, and that UW has white players. They care that they win basketball games. I think that Marquette fans (in general) make a bigger deal about UW being a bunch of 'stupid farm boy hicks' than UW fans do about MU having a bunch of 'ghetto stupid thugs'. Its a crutch that we pull out and I am sick of it.
I can tell you, as a person who went to public school that I never envied a single private school kid. Xavier HS was the local private (catholic!!) school, and we played them in all of our sports. Many of them were our friends, and we teased them about their uniforms and many things... but we never envied them. As the son of two educators I can tell you that anyone can attend Marquette, not just the rich kids.
Just hoping to provide a little balanced insight here rather than some of the ridiculous claptrap that is being posted above.
I think calling such a statement "flatly ridiculous" is a bit shortsighted considering there is at least a small element of truth to what he's saying.
I too have lived in Milwaukee, the Fox Valley, but also rural Wisconsin and Minnesota (as well as some time in Illinois and Indiana). While not an anti-Catholic bias per se, there are pockets of "anti-Catholic education" bias mostly in rural areas of Wisconsin... surprisingly, even amongst Catholics. I went to Catholic school in grades 4-8... I can't tell you how many snide remarks I got in high-school
and CCD about having previously attended Catholic school. There was an association of negativity with Catholic school children amongst their peers predominantly having to do with the perceptions that it was a "rich kids school" even though most of us were on tuition assistance (I don't remember exactly, but full tuition was something like $1100/yr and I didn't know anyone who actually paid the full amount).
While maybe it doesn't apply in Madison or Milwaukee, I can tell you that it does exist in other areas of Wisconsin.
Quote from: Benny B on March 19, 2011, 12:24:48 AM
This is flatly ridiculous. The Fox Valley is prodominantly Catholic... and I have never heard a negative WORD in Madison or Milwaukee that was anti-Catholic... and not being Catholic myself, you'd think I'd be privy to those types of conversations.
The UW people I know don't care that MU has black players, and that UW has white players. They care that they win basketball games. I think that Marquette fans (in general) make a bigger deal about UW being a bunch of 'stupid farm boy hicks' than UW fans do about MU having a bunch of 'ghetto stupid thugs'. Its a crutch that we pull out and I am sick of it.
I can tell you, as a person who went to public school that I never envied a single private school kid. Xavier HS was the local private (catholic!!) school, and we played them in all of our sports. Many of them were our friends, and we teased them about their uniforms and many things... but we never envied them. As the son of two educators I can tell you that anyone can attend Marquette, not just the rich kids.
Just hoping to provide a little balanced insight here rather than some of the ridiculous claptrap that is being posted above.
I think calling such a statement "flatly ridiculous" is a bit shortsighted considering there is at least a small element of truth to what he's saying.
I too have lived in Milwaukee, the Fox Valley, but also rural Wisconsin and Minnesota (as well as some time in Illinois and Indiana). While not an anti-Catholic bias per se, there are pockets of "anti-Catholic education" bias mostly in rural areas of Wisconsin... surprisingly, even amongst Catholics. I went to Catholic school in grades 4-8... I can't tell you how many snide remarks I got in high-school and CCD about having previously attended Catholic school. There was an association of negativity with Catholic school children amongst their peers predominantly having to do with the perceptions that it was a "rich kids school" even though most of us were on tuition assistance (I don't remember exactly, but full tuition was something like $1100/yr and I didn't know anyone who actually paid the full amount).
While maybe it doesn't apply in Madison or Milwaukee, I can tell you that it does exist in other areas of Wisconsin.
Perhaps, but it doesn't exist in Wisconsin more than anywhere else in the nation. That is what I am talking about. There are ignorant crabs everywhere, but to say that the people of Wisconsin don't like Marquette because of a Catholic bias? Garbage.
Outside of a few, I've always had good conversations with people who were Madison alums. I think usually it's because we know that we're smarter than the rest of the people in the room.
The ones who drive me nuts are the UW-Bumfuck grads who are so over the top they feel like they have to always outwardly hate MU.
Having grown up going to public schools in Wisconsin, I don't think people hate MU as much as they were puzzled over why I would choose to go there. I mean, why spend that money when there are perfectly good public universities to attend for half the cost? And they are good schools, I'm not going to dispute that, but MU was my place.
And I'm surprised to hear people think there is some sort of anti-Catholic angle to this. I have never personally witnessed that. Im not Catholic though.
Quote from: Litehouse on March 18, 2011, 03:32:44 PM
The private school thing is the biggest part, and it carries over to the HS level as well. Most people in WI think anyone that goes to a private school must be a stuck-up rich kid.
Plus all the people from the UW-Hyphen schools associate themselves with the Badgers as well. There's no Wisconsin State to balance things out.
EXTREMELY well stated on the private-school thing carrying over to the HS level. No doubt there are people in southwestern WI who are big-time jealous of La Crosse Aquinas' success in HS basketball, despite the fact I think the public schools actually have the bigger advantage in the surrounding small communities if they do things properly. Those small communities can gear everything they want to exactly the way they want it if they so choose, running the HS offense at the much lower levels, getting all the coaches they want at the much lower levels, emphasizing the things they want to emphasize with grade-school kids in camps, etc.
Also well stated on no competition for UW-Madison in WI. 41 states in the country have a D1 FB team, WI is one 7 states that has one and only one BCS conference FB team (NJ, Conn, WI, Mass, Minn, Mizz, Neb). As much as I'd love for WI to be a BB and BKB-centric state like it was 30 years ago, it's become a FB-centric state, so even those that aren't into college FB per se are going to gravitate towards WI-Madison.
Quote from: Goose on March 18, 2011, 03:48:37 PM
UW went from being a "joke" of a school to national scene
I'll dispute that as well. Was in Arizona earlier this month, no discussion of WI sports other than the Packers a little bit. In KY in January, same thing. WI didn't come up when I was in Ohio and KC in November. Not many people outside of the border of this state believe WI is a player on the national scene.
You're an idiot if you really believe that.
Quote from: Eye on March 19, 2011, 12:44:21 PM
EXTREMELY well stated on the private-school thing carrying over to the HS level. No doubt there are people in southwestern WI who are big-time jealous of La Crosse Aquinas' success in HS basketball, despite the fact I think the public schools actually have the bigger advantage in the surrounding small communities if they do things properly.
You mean like some of the "name" HS coaches who have a love fest with bo and the badgers that are some of the more frequent posters on the badger boards? The ones that we frequently quote or link to here in disgust?
Quote from: MUMac on March 19, 2011, 01:48:14 PM
You mean like some of the "name" HS coaches who have a love fest with bo and the badgers that are some of the more frequent posters on the badger boards? The ones that we frequently quote or link to here in disgust?
Yeah, like the one that was the analyst for the Division 5 game on TV this afternoon. He posts negatively towards Marquette on one of the Badger boards.
My 2 cents...
Football has a lot to do with it. Its a football state...people grow up with the Packers on Sunday and Badgers on Saturdays. They choose their loyalties based on football and then it just carries over to the basketball season.
Race is an issue, although not a major one. I do remember hearing the same thing from fans of Marquette, however, about our "white guys" when we had Diener (from Fond du Lac) and Novak (from Brown Deer)...for example, "its cool to see Marquette be successful with some white guys from Wisconsin." Heard that a lot. Right or wrong, people like seeing that, and enjoying cheering for the underdog white kid in what is widely considered a sport dominated by African Americans. I call it the "Hoosiers Syndrome" (movie, not Indiana University). So, watching Wisconsin, the average white guy is probably a little excited seeing these slow, stiff kids play good team defense and actually be successful on a consistent basis. I'm not saying I agree with it, but it is what it is. In the same way, inner city kids in Milwaukee probably identify with the kind of ball Marquette plays. There are just waaaaay more white people in Wisconsin.
Private vs. public thing might have something to do with it too, but I really think football is the driving factor.
I think what sets us apart from Northwestern, DePaul, Loyola, etc. is that we are successful. There isn't a lot of hate for those teams in Illinois the same reason there isn't a lot of hate for the Detroit Lions in the NFL. Marquette is good and challenges Wisconsin for recruits and prestige. So Badger fans gonna hate. Let them.
When Walker (and D Wade) gets that piece of paper with Marquette on it, I'll call him a fellow alumnus. Until then, he hasn't earned it.
Quote from: TedBaxter on March 19, 2011, 01:52:04 PM
Yeah, like the one that was the analyst for the Division 5 game on TV this afternoon. He posts negatively towards Marquette on one of the Badger boards.
Yep, he is one of the more pissy and arrougant posters. Really, the coach of Benton? Wow, big stuff.
Quote from: MUMac on March 19, 2011, 01:48:14 PM
You mean like some of the "name" HS coaches who have a love fest with bo and the badgers that are some of the more frequent posters on the badger boards? The ones that we frequently quote or link to here in disgust?
Wasn't referring to any coach specifically, but you don't have to look hard at all to find coaches that are in love with Ryan and WI-Madison and anti-anything MU.
Quote from: Eye on March 19, 2011, 02:19:33 PM
Wasn't referring to any coach specifically, but you don't have to look hard at all to find coaches that are in love with Ryan and WI-Madison and anti-anything MU.
Especially in the southwest part of the state. Just ask Dick Bennett how kind and lovable those saps are.
Quote from: MUMac on March 19, 2011, 02:22:06 PM
Especially in the southwest part of the state. Just ask Dick Bennett how kind and lovable those saps are.
Madison-area SW? Are there any cities in the actual SW part of the state? I thought it was all wasteland west of Madison until you get to... Portland, OR?
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Agreed on Bennett, too. The fact that he and Ryan came up through the state (Eau Claire, Point, Green Bay and Platteville/Milwaukee) big-time helps their respective causes.
I did a radio interview with Bennett about 10 years ago. He is an extremely nice man and was very nice to a 20-something interviewer when he didn't need to be.
That being said, I was at a banquet last year where he spoke. He talked about taking chances being something one should strive toward on and off the court, yet his style obviously was geared toward not taking chances. Nobody else in the room saw the irony (free ticket, wouldn't pay to hear him speak as much as I think he's a fine human being), just applauded like lemmings.
While I'm thinking of it, I'm always amazed how much people in this state think the WIAC is unquestionably the best thing in the country in D3. I have no idea if it is or isn't, but nobody I know has ever done the work to prove the point. It's just an unquestioned axiom that everyone knows the WIAC is a great D3 athletic conference. Kind of like most around here have this unquestioned axiom that the Mini 11 is, was and always will be a great D1 athletic conference. Some years and some sports it is; some years and some sports it isn't.
I'd guess there isn't a municipality west of Madison and south of La Crosse in five figures in terms of population. Other than La Crosse and Onalaska, I'd guess the same thing would apply west of Madison and south of Eau Claire, either.
I think the race thing is way overblown. It goes back WI's religious and political beliefs. The German / Protestant beliefs have a problem paying for education when the government gives it to you for free.
In Chicago you tell someone you went to MU, Loyola, DePaul, etc and people think wow you and your folks Made some big sacrifices for a good catholic education.
In Milwaukee (I'm talking Milwaukee not the sticks) and people just think you wasted your money when UW system offers so many cheaper options.
IMO it's a German, Protestant and even Socialist (Milwaukee had a number of good socialist mayors) thing.
Quote from: Eye on March 19, 2011, 02:40:19 PM
I'd guess there isn't a municipality west of Madison and south of La Crosse in five figures in terms of population. Other than La Crosse and Onalaska, I'd guess the same thing would apply west of Madison and south of Eau Claire, either.
Platteville, and no, I didn't look that up.
And there are easily others.
Quote from: TedBaxter on March 19, 2011, 01:52:04 PM
Yeah, like the one that was the analyst for the Division 5 game on TV this afternoon. He posts negatively towards Marquette on one of the Badger boards.
What username?
Quote from: The Lens on March 19, 2011, 03:13:10 PM
IMO it's a German, Protestant and even Socialist (Milwaukee had a number of good socialist mayors) thing.
There's no such thing as a good socialist. ;)
Quote from: The Lens on March 19, 2011, 03:13:10 PM
I think the race thing is way overblown. It goes back WI's religious and political beliefs. The German / Protestant beliefs have a problem paying for education when the government gives it to you for free.
In Chicago you tell someone you went to MU, Loyola, DePaul, etc and people think wow you and your folks Made some big sacrifices for a good catholic education.
In Milwaukee (I'm talking Milwaukee not the sticks) and people just think you wasted your money when UW system offers so many cheaper options.
IMO it's a German, Protestant and even Socialist (Milwaukee had a number of good socialist mayors) thing.
I think you may be on to something. In Chicago and St. Louis Catholic education is highly valued. Not so much in Wisconsin. In fairness, Wisconsin has really good public schools, and UW is a public Ivy.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 19, 2011, 03:15:19 PM
Platteville, and no, I didn't look that up.
And there are easily others.
Which would be? Sorry, just not believing you.
Quote from: Eye on March 19, 2011, 04:14:32 PM
Which would be? Sorry, just not believing you.
Monroe has 10,000+
And there are about 10 others with 2,000-10,000. All of these towns would have their own high schools.
Not to mention the towns west of Madison in Dane County like Middleton and Verona, ...I'm not even including those
Quote from: Eye on March 19, 2011, 04:14:32 PM
Which would be? Sorry, just not believing you.
Grow up, use google for yourself.
Quote from: The Lens on March 19, 2011, 03:13:10 PM
I think the race thing is way overblown. It goes back WI's religious and political beliefs. The German / Protestant beliefs have a problem paying for education when the government gives it to you for free.
In Chicago you tell someone you went to MU, Loyola, DePaul, etc and people think wow you and your folks Made some big sacrifices for a good catholic education.
In Milwaukee (I'm talking Milwaukee not the sticks) and people just think you wasted your money when UW system offers so many cheaper options.
IMO it's a German, Protestant and even Socialist (Milwaukee had a number of good socialist mayors) thing.
Great point.
Quote from: Victor McCormick on March 19, 2011, 03:32:37 PM
I think you may be on to something. In Chicago and St. Louis Catholic education is highly valued. Not so much in Wisconsin. In fairness, Wisconsin has really good public schools, and UW is a public Ivy.
+1
Being from the SW side of Chicago, you have to go to a Catholic / private school to get a good education. Maybe not so much for K-8, but definitely for HS.
Trust me in order to get a good education in Milwaukee you also need to go the Parochial or Charter route.
I am going to go out on a limb and say that even Milwaukees best schools (King, Riverside, and Arts) perform worse than even scuzzy suburban schools like West Allis Central, Cudahy, and St. Francis
Quote from: Victor McCormick on March 19, 2011, 04:36:20 PM
Monroe has 10,000+
And there are about 10 others with 2,000-10,000. All of these towns would have their own high schools.
Not to mention the towns west of Madison in Dane County like Middleton and Verona, ...I'm not even including those
I believe Prairie du Chien could be thrown in there. And yes even towns with ~1000 people or more they will have their own HS in WI.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 19, 2011, 05:11:23 PM
Trust me in order to get a good education in Milwaukee you also need to go the Parochial or Charter route.
I am going to go out on a limb and say that even Milwaukees best schools (King, Riverside, and Arts) perform worse than even scuzzy suburban schools like West Allis Central, Cudahy, and St. Francis
Reagan's a very good Milwaukee Public School.
Quote from: jaybilaswho? on March 18, 2011, 02:50:57 PM
You need new friends. Embarrasssed? That is ridiculous. I love saying telling people, when asked, I went to Marquette. I feel nothing but pride and enjoy their reactions when they find that out. Even at bars its never turned into fisticuffs or anything, just playful ribbing of the other's school being inferior.
+1,000,000
I unapologetically wear MU gear every day there is a game, usually something MU almost every day....t shirt after work, sweatshirt over my tees, etc. I could not be prouder of MU and my graduating from there.
Also, WI has an unbelievable number of Pseudo alumni from UW-Madison via the UW system or NO college who randomly spew their allegiance to Bo and Bucky. I have many friends who've graduated from UW-GB and even THEY ally with UW-Madison first....completely silly IMHO. These are usually some of the most vehement MU haters in athletics....it's funny to me, and I've lived in WI for 39 years.
I am shocked that people on this log brought up "race". Get with it people, this is 2012. We are all one people!
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 19, 2011, 04:39:22 PM
Grow up, use google for yourself.
So... you make a claim that's not backed up by anything.
Then someone questions that claim.
Then you act like a jerk to that person for no reason?
It seems that you're the one needing to grow up.
Quote from: Victor McCormick on March 19, 2011, 04:36:20 PM
Monroe has 10,000+
And there are about 10 others with 2,000-10,000. All of these towns would have their own high schools.
Not to mention the towns west of Madison in Dane County like Middleton and Verona, ...I'm not even including those
Living in Madison myself, I would not consider Middleton or Verona, a subburb or Madison, as the intent of Eye's comment.
The only other two (outside of Platteville) that I can see that would qualify is Monroe (slightly west of Madison, close to the border of what Eye was referring to) and Baraboo. Not sure there are any others. Monroe and Platteville just get over the 10,000 population number. Certainly not enough to really quibble with the point he was making, but having followed this board for awhile, that will not stop anyone.
Quote from: jtrash37 on March 19, 2011, 06:14:54 PM
+1,000,000
I unapologetically wear MU gear every day there is a game, usually something MU almost every day....t shirt after work, sweatshirt over my tees, etc. I could not be prouder of MU and my graduating from there.
Also, WI has an unbelievable number of Pseudo alumni from UW-Madison via the UW system or NO college who randomly spew their allegiance to Bo and Bucky. I have many friends who've graduated from UW-GB and even THEY ally with UW-Madison first....completely silly IMHO. These are usually some of the most vehement MU haters in athletics....it's funny to me, and I've lived in WI for 39 years.
Haha...I actually know people who are/were enrolled at the 2 year UW colleges and put on their facebook page that they go to "University of Wisconsin"
Quote from: jtrash37 on March 19, 2011, 06:14:54 PM
Also, WI has an unbelievable number of Pseudo alumni from UW-Madison via the UW system or NO college who randomly spew their allegiance to Bo and Bucky. I have many friends who've graduated from UW-GB and even THEY ally with UW-Madison first....completely silly IMHO. These are usually some of the most vehement MU haters in athletics....it's funny to me, and I've lived in WI for 39 years.
Many of my friends who have season tickets to either/both football and basketball did not attend UW-Madison. Several of these are big boosters, chair some of the booster clubs ... I don't fault them for that as I know many MU fans who did not attend MU. The sheer numbers, though, is surprising. I do think they were originally drawn in by football, as someone stated in an earlier post.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on March 19, 2011, 06:24:56 PM
So... you make a claim that's not backed up by anything.
Then someone questions that claim.
Then you act like a jerk to that person for no reason?
It seems that you're the one needing to grow up.
He made the claim first, then when questioned, didn't back it up.
But I guess I'm the jerk.
sigh.
But now since you asked.
Municipalities South of Eau Claire, and West of Madison (Excluding Onalaska, and LaCrosse) with populations over 10,000
82 Platteville 10,297
80 Monroe 10,481
73 Baraboo 11,244
71 Verona 11,486
68 Plover 11,720
53 River Falls 14,352
47 Middleton 16,244
43 Wisconsin Rapids 17,164
41 Marshfield 18,267
29 Stevens Point 25,327
Last I checked, that's more than one.
Face.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 19, 2011, 07:43:46 PM
He made the claim first, then when questioned, didn't back it up.
But I guess I'm the jerk.
sigh.
But now since you asked.
Municipalities South of Eau Claire, and West of Madison (Excluding Onalaska, and LaCrosse) with populations over 10,000
82 Platteville 10,297
80 Monroe 10,481
73 Baraboo 11,244
71 Verona 11,486
68 Plover 11,720
53 River Falls 14,352
47 Middleton 16,244
43 Wisconsin Rapids 17,164
41 Marshfield 18,267
29 Stevens Point 25,327
Last I checked, that's more than one.
Face.
Before you say face, you might want to check your geography. Really, a bit pissy tonight, take a chill pill.
Quote from: MUMac on March 19, 2011, 07:55:09 PM
Before you say face, you might want to check your geography. Really, a bit pissy tonight, take a chill pill.
Draw the lines.
South of Eau Claire, and West of Madison.
Are some close? Yes. Is there still more than 1. You betcha.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 19, 2011, 07:43:46 PM
He made the claim first, then when questioned, didn't back it up.
But I guess I'm the jerk.
sigh.
I just went back and reread the thread. You're right. My fault :)
Quote from: Skatastrophy on March 19, 2011, 08:07:21 PM
I just went back and reread the thread. You're right. My fault :)
Actually, he never made a claim. He said "I would guess ..." Thought your initial response was fairly accurate. It was silly to debate that some towns were a few hundred people over the 5 figure guestimate. And then to get pissy about it, just mind boggling.
I understood Eye's point. These small town coaches are the ones who we see on the badger board tearing into MU every chance they get. Whether they have 10,001 and above or 9,999 and below, the small town high school coaches are the pain in the a$$.
Thanks Mac. At least somebody got my point. The conference I deal with has three municipalites in the 8 to 10,000 range, and all are rah-rah WI-Madison. I can't imagine it's any better as you get closer to Madison and are dealing with even smaller municipalities.
Eye, the whole state is rah-rah Wisconsin.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 19, 2011, 09:36:04 PM
Eye, the whole state is rah-rah Wisconsin.
Not as vitriolic and hard core as some of the smaller town coaches in the southwestern part of the state. Some of the more prominent names. As I stated, the ones who we see on the message boards making all kinds of derogatory comments about MU - some well below the belt. That was the point of the comments between eye and myself.
Conjecture. But whatever.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 19, 2011, 09:45:45 PM
Conjecture. But whatever.
Conjecture? Sorry son, not conjecture in the slightest. Just because you do not know, does not mean it is conjecture, it means you come from a lack of knowledge.
Why do I feel another snide, snarky retort coming from you ... ::)
I did an informal poll over the weekend and asked people, bar patrons, bartenders, gas stations guys, if they were amped up with Wisconsin teams still playing. Everyone said UW first and when I mentioned MU they said "I hope they win too". I followed up conversation and asked why do you think UW first and almost everyone mentioned football. The football team puts UW in the paper and TV an extra few months a year. Not saying MU should reinstate football but it is a major disadvantage not having football.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 19, 2011, 08:06:41 PM
Draw the lines.
South of Eau Claire, and West of Madison.
Are some close? Yes. Is there still more than 1. You betcha.
River Falls is actually north of Eau Claire......just messin' with you.
Quote from: Goose on March 20, 2011, 10:32:47 AM
The football team puts UW in the paper and TV an extra few months a year.
In some states, i.e. Arizona, Connecticut, Kansas, Kentucky, North Carolina, football wouldn't make much difference. In Wisconsin, where the Packers have been good for 20 years; were fantastic for the older generation and the pro baseball and basketball teams have been relatively weak for the last 20 years, it makes a huge difference IMHO.
Football also is easier to follow. Only have to pay attention once a week on a weekend for 3 hours. Basketball requires multiple and different weeknights of paying attention.
Quote from: MUMac on March 19, 2011, 09:49:42 PM
Conjecture? Sorry son, not conjecture in the slightest. Just because you do not know, does not mean it is conjecture, it means you come from a lack of knowledge.
Why do I feel another snide, snarky retort coming from you ... ::)
Its conjecture because you only know the southwestern part of the state. You can't compare because you don't know the rest of the state. Additionally, you probably don't know everyone in the southwest.
I'm sorry you don't understand the term.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 20, 2011, 01:55:09 PM
Its conjecture because you only know the southwestern part of the state. You can't compare because you don't know the rest of the state. Additionally, you probably don't know everyone in the southwest.
I'm sorry you don't understand the term.
Thanks for the condescending comment. It fit's you well. As for the term, extremely poor application of the word if that was your point. Follow the thread next time, ok? ::)
I agree with the person who started this post, I've never felt such disrespect for a team from their home state. I go to Marquette but I live in Indiana and no matter if your an IU, Purdue, ND, Butler, or even Indiana state fan, when a team from Indiana does well, the vast majority of Hoosiers support and show pride for that team (as long as they aren't paired up against their supporting team).
Maybe it's a catholic thing, maybe its a 'black athlete' (in other words not as relatable as the Madison boys). I don't know. All I know is that I have never experienced anything like this anywhere else I have lived (I lived in Illinois for 9 years too).
Quote from: MUMac on March 20, 2011, 03:21:27 PM
Thanks for the condescending comment. It fit's you well. As for the term, extremely poor application of the word if that was your point. Follow the thread next time, ok? ::)
Thanks for being wrong twice in a thread.
I followed the thread just fine, if you want to flame because you are wrong go play somewhere else.
Quote from: MUinSF on March 18, 2011, 04:53:37 PM
Grammatically, it would be impossible to consider Walker an alumnus -- but only, I'm sorry to say, because the singular forms are alumnus and alumna. The definition quoted above doesn't mean that we call a single male alumnus an alumni, just that a class of 15 women and one man is identified as alumni rather than alumnae.
Oops, I misspoke. Meant to say it'd be grammatically impossible to call one guy an
alumni.
I don't see the lack of love for MU that others posted of. My office has 1 UW grad and 1 MU grad who do kid eachother but everyone else (about 50 people) are excited for both schools, they'll jump on any bandwagon there is
Quote from: Victor McCormick on March 19, 2011, 07:03:55 PMHaha...I actually know people who are/were enrolled at the 2 year UW colleges and put on their facebook page that they go to "University of Wisconsin"
Oh crap...does that mean I now have to change my allegiances because I got my Associate's at UW-Waukesha before transferring to Marquette? :-[
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 18, 2011, 02:16:50 PM
Didn't the state vote for a Marquette alum as their governor.....wait, that might not be a good example. ;)
Nope, Walker is a college drop out. After losing the election for student body president, he quit school.
Quote from: 6746jonesr on March 24, 2011, 11:33:45 AM
Nope, Walker is a college drop out. After losing the election for student body president, he quit school.
Actually he got a job so he left school. Just like tens of thousands of people each year. Nice revisionist history.
Quote from: 6746jonesr on March 24, 2011, 11:33:45 AM
Nope, Walker is a college drop out. After losing the election for student body president, he quit school.
He was supposed to graduate the same year as me in 1991. I remember him running and loosing badly. I recall someone who knew him way back then say that he was leaving Marquette because of that very reason.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 24, 2011, 11:43:18 AM
He was supposed to graduate the same year as me in 1991. I remember him running and loosing badly. I recall someone who knew him way back then say that he was leaving Marquette because of that very reason.
Very interesting. MUSG elections are the Spring of most candidates' Junior year. Walker leaves after completing his first semester of his Senior year.
So he must have taken the 8 months between the April-ish elections and the end of classes in December to decide he was going to quit because he lost that MUSG election?
MU & UW....Hatfields & McCoys
I do think the fact that MU being a Catholic school has something to do with it. Think of how the whole country hates Notre Dame, Wisconsin is a microcosm of that with the whole state being badgers fans and disliking the Catholic school.
Frankly, I love and relish the fact that we're disliked by UW fans. They wouldn't hate us if we were a pushover in basketball. If we were, they'd view us the same as UW-GB and UWM.
Quote from: warrior07 on March 24, 2011, 11:45:22 AM
Very interesting. MUSG elections are the Spring of most candidates' Junior year. Walker leaves after completing his first semester of his Senior year.
So he must have taken the 8 months between the April-ish elections and the end of classes in December to decide he was going to quit because he lost that MUSG election?
Didn't Scottie boy get whooped by Gwen Moore in a State Assembly run, and then drop out? IIRC, it was not an MUSG election, it was a Wisconsin State Assembly election.
Then he dropped out of school.
Good thing you made an idiot of yourself for chiding someone for 'revisionist history' when you don't even know diddly-poo about what you are talking about in the first place.
Color me,
not surprised.
Quote from: Stuckin1977 on March 24, 2011, 03:36:25 PM
I do think the fact that MU being a Catholic school has something to do with it. Think of how the whole country hates Notre Dame, Wisconsin is a microcosm of that with the whole state being badgers fans and disliking the Catholic school.
Frankly, I love and relish the fact that we're disliked by UW fans. They wouldn't hate us if we were a pushover in basketball. If we were, they'd view us the same as UW-GB and UWM.
No.
People hate Notre Dame because they are perennially overrated school that thinks they are better than everyone else.
By your logic everyone should hate Xavier and all the other Catholic schools... but they don't.
Anyway, can we lock this stupid thread... it is just going in circles at this point.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 24, 2011, 04:58:46 PM
Didn't Scottie boy get whooped by Gwen Moore in a State Assembly run, and then drop out? IIRC, it was not an MUSG election, it was a Wisconsin State Assembly election.
Then he dropped out of school.
Good thing you made an idiot of yourself for chiding someone for 'revisionist history' when you don't even know diddly-poo about what you are talking about in the first place.
Color me, not surprised.
But the original post that he responded to said, "
Walker is a college drop out. After losing the election for student body president, he quit school."
So, even by your account, that original post was revisionist history and not true.
Quote from: jaybilaswho? on March 18, 2011, 02:50:57 PM
You need new friends. Embarrasssed? That is ridiculous. I love saying telling people, when asked, I went to Marquette. I feel nothing but pride and enjoy their reactions when they find that out. Even at bars its never turned into fisticuffs or anything, just playful ribbing of the other's school being inferior.
I feel the same way. I'm so proud to be an MU alumnus. And I know I'm a cocky dick about it...but hey. I paid for the right to be a cocky dick about it.
Out here in Denver, I have a lot of friends from WI. 5 or 6 actually went to UW, the rest went to Whitewater or Milwaukee but still cheer for UW and refer to the teams as "we" even though they didn't go there. That bothers me.
When MU played WVU in the Big East Tournament, one of the UWM girls texted me and said, "I can't believe I'm saying this but go MU!"
THAT really pissed me off.
But the thing that pisses me off the most are the UW alumni that "root" for Marquette. Last night, one of them was like, "Wow, so you guys made it to the Sweet 16! Wisconsin represent!" But the way she said it was in a tone that a parent would use when their normally C student somehow managed a B-. Shock. Awe. Totally Patronizing.
I responded with, "I only recognize one team from WI" and she walked away all pissy.
I'd rather UW cheered against Marquette to be perfectly honest. I don't want their "support" and I don't want them even saying the name of the school. I most certainly will never cheer for UW and they can't seem to grasp why. "You're from WI!" "So?" "You don't have a football team!" "So?"
I. HATE. UW.
So yeah...I'm dick about being an MU grad but only because everyone else shits on us for being MU grads.
Quote from: 6746jonesr on March 24, 2011, 11:33:45 AM
Nope, Walker is a college drop out. After losing the election for student body president, he quit school.
He's still an alum...you obviously need to understand the definition. He dropped out his second semester senior year. He's a few credits shy from graduating.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 24, 2011, 04:58:46 PM
Didn't Scottie boy get whooped by Gwen Moore in a State Assembly run, and then drop out? IIRC, it was not an MUSG election, it was a Wisconsin State Assembly election.
Then he dropped out of school.
Good thing you made an idiot of yourself for chiding someone for 'revisionist history' when you don't even know diddly-poo about what you are talking about in the first place.
Color me, not surprised.
Gwen Moore...is her son still slashing tires to prevent voters from going to the elections. We should disown that clown as an alum.
Quote from: klyrish on March 24, 2011, 05:36:59 PM
I feel the same way. I'm so proud to be an MU alumnus. And I know I'm a cocky dick about it...but hey. I paid for the right to be a cocky dick about it.
Out here in Denver, I have a lot of friends from WI. 5 or 6 actually went to UW, the rest went to Whitewater or Milwaukee but still cheer for UW and refer to the teams as "we" even though they didn't go there. That bothers me.
When MU played WVU in the Big East Tournament, one of the UWM girls texted me and said, "I can't believe I'm saying this but go MU!"
THAT really pissed me off.
But the thing that pisses me off the most are the UW alumni that "root" for Marquette. Last night, one of them was like, "Wow, so you guys made it to the Sweet 16! Wisconsin represent!" But the way she said it was in a tone that a parent would use when their normally C student somehow managed a B-. Shock. Awe. Totally Patronizing.
I responded with, "I only recognize one team from WI" and she walked away all pissy.
I'd rather UW cheered against Marquette to be perfectly honest. I don't want their "support" and I don't want them even saying the name of the school. I most certainly will never cheer for UW and they can't seem to grasp why. "You're from WI!" "So?" "You don't have a football team!" "So?"
I. HATE. UW.
So yeah...I'm dick about being an MU grad but only because everyone else craps on us for being MU grads.
As a fellow MU alum, I'm truly sad for you.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 25, 2011, 12:08:06 PM
Gwen Moore...is her son still slashing tires to prevent voters from going to the elections. We should disown that clown as an alum.
Thanks for the commentary.
Totally irrelevant as usual.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 25, 2011, 12:10:02 PM
Thanks for the commentary.
Totally irrelevant as usual.
She's a clown....you went after someone because of your beliefs, don't deny it, I did it in return and you get all defensive. Classic.
You might want to brush up on your history with both of these folks as well, because it's lacking.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 24, 2011, 04:58:46 PM
Didn't Scottie boy get whooped by Gwen Moore in a State Assembly run, and then drop out? IIRC, it was not an MUSG election, it was a Wisconsin State Assembly election.
Then he dropped out of school.
Good thing you made an idiot of yourself for chiding someone for 'revisionist history' when you don't even know diddly-poo about what you are talking about in the first place.
Color me, not surprised.
Which story is it now -- he dropped out after an MUSG election or he dropped out after an Assembly race that took place during his undergraduate years? Call up your girlfriends at DPW and get your stories straight.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 24, 2011, 05:08:44 PM
But the original post that he responded to said, "Walker is a college drop out. After losing the election for student body president, he quit school."
So, even by your account, that original post was revisionist history and not true.
Bingo. I don't expect a hater like Hards to admit that he got this wrong.
Color me,
not surprised.
Growing up in Michigan, and now living in Florida, I never see or saw the MU hatred. In fact, I advertise that I am a MU grad in my advertisements, and I end up getting 10-12 new patients (I'm a dentist) a year simply because I am an alum. I never confuse the lunatic fringe badger message board posters as the true pulse of all badger fans....all the badgers I come across have nothing negative to say about Marquette.....at least to my face....
Quote from: warrior07 on March 25, 2011, 12:25:40 PM
Which story is it now -- he dropped out after an MUSG election or he dropped out after an Assembly race that took place during his undergraduate years? Call up your girlfriends at DPW and get your stories straight.
Bingo. I don't expect a hater like Hards to admit that he got this wrong.
Color me, not surprised.
Both of you need to actually read the entire thread and who made which comment before jumping to the conclusions that you are.
Chicos, I corrected the belief that he dropped out due to a MUSG election. I'm sorry that the truth hurts everyone so much here.
Never seen a couple of conservatives so butt hurt over something so trivial.
Quote from: warrior07 on March 24, 2011, 11:45:22 AM
Very interesting. MUSG elections are the Spring of most candidates' Junior year. Walker leaves after completing his first semester of his Senior year.
So he must have taken the 8 months between the April-ish elections and the end of classes in December to decide he was going to quit because he lost that MUSG election?
Walker actually ran for President in 1988 while a sophomore. He didn't leave school until 1990
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 24, 2011, 05:08:44 PM
But the original post that he responded to said, "Walker is a college drop out. After losing the election for student body president, he quit school."
So, even by your account, that original post was revisionist history and not true.
It may be revisionist history, or ignorance. Either way, it isnt true.
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Quote from: warrior07 on March 25, 2011, 12:25:40 PM
Which story is it now -- he dropped out after an MUSG election or he dropped out after an Assembly race that took place during his undergraduate years? Call up your girlfriends at DPW and get your stories straight.
Bingo. I don't expect a hater like Hards to admit that he got this wrong.
There is so much disinformation on that topic that you can find, it's quite hilarious. All part of the demonizing process...and yes...both sides do it....unfortunately one side pretends they don't.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 25, 2011, 12:47:16 PM
There is so much disinformation on that topic that you can find, it's quite hilarious. All part of the demonizing process...and yes...both sides do it....unfortunately one side pretends they don't.
One side pretends?
What a joke.
I wonder if you believe yourself sometimes.
Quote from: foreverwarriors on March 25, 2011, 12:41:50 PM
Walker actually ran for President in 1988 while a sophomore. He didn't leave school until 1990
You're correct. So he must have taken his entire Junior year, plus half of his Senior year to decide to leave Marquette because he lost the MUSG election his sophomore year, per some people here. Probably a good 18+ months.
> Does the state of Wisconsin hate us?
No. 'Nuff said.
Quote from: warrior07 on March 25, 2011, 12:25:40 PM
Which story is it now -- he dropped out after an MUSG election or he dropped out after an Assembly race that took place during his undergraduate years?
I may have mixed them up? It was 22 yrs ago and my mind was clouded by malt, hops, Bob Dukiet era basketball, Thermodynamics, Fluid Dynamics, etc......
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 25, 2011, 12:09:02 PM
As a fellow MU alum, I'm truly sad for you.
Why? These are the same people that, while watching the WI/OSU football game last year at the WI bar here in Denver, got the entire bar to do the "pretty boy! pretty boy!" chant directed at me after I came back in from having a smoke. I was there rooting against OSU and was wearing an MU shirt because I own no Badger gear. After the chant, a bunch of them told me to go back to MU. WTF
Quote from: klyrish on March 25, 2011, 02:19:26 PM
Why? These are the same people that, while watching the WI/OSU football game last year at the WI bar here in Denver, got the entire bar to do the "pretty boy! pretty boy!" chant directed at me after I came back in from having a smoke. I was there rooting against OSU and was wearing an MU shirt because I own no Badger gear. After the chant, a bunch of them told me to go back to MU. WTF
Bro, you totally shouldn't smoke. I hope you started letting the fists fly after that. Was this at Swankeys or Blake Street Tavern? I'll stroll through both of them in a few weeks with my MU national champions gear on.
Quote from: klyrish on March 25, 2011, 02:19:26 PM
Why? These are the same people that, while watching the WI/OSU football game last year at the WI bar here in Denver, got the entire bar to do the "pretty boy! pretty boy!" chant directed at me after I came back in from having a smoke. I was there rooting against OSU and was wearing an MU shirt because I own no Badger gear. After the chant, a bunch of them told me to go back to MU. WTF
There's a difference between being a "proud" alum and, as you put it earlier, "a cocky dick." I'm guessing the cocky dick part of your personality is what got you ridiculed...
Quote from: foreverwarriors on March 25, 2011, 02:29:52 PM
There's a difference between being a "proud" alum and, as you put it earlier, "a cocky dick." I'm guessing the cocky dick part of your personality is what got you ridiculed...
mmmhmmm
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 18, 2011, 02:21:56 PM
1.Private School
2.Has 1/4 of students from Illinois
3.Students are usually boss's of most people in state
4.Black student athletes
I believe that #4 is the main reason as the average joe in wisconsin can not relate to black athletes.
Marquette needs to embrace this role of the evil empire kinda like cincinnati did or UNLV Did. We need to carve out our own niche and our own fan base not try to convert dumb hillibillies from Crivitz
Had an example last night during the MU UNC game. Sitting next to guy I know in the bar. He says "Will Marquette ever have another white guy on the team?" I guess Wisconsin has more Aryan influence than I thought.
Quote from: ringout on March 26, 2011, 04:11:32 PM
Had an example last night during the MU UNC game. Sitting next to guy I know in the bar. He says "Will Marquette ever have another white guy on the team?" I guess Wisconsin has more Aryan influence than I thought.
Outside of Milwaukee and the Green Bay Packers sports complex, there's not a whole lot of African Americans in the state.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 26, 2011, 04:26:58 PM
Outside of Milwaukee and the Green Bay Packers sports complex, there's not a whole lot of African Americans in the state.
Their are plenty of Blacks in Kenosha, Racine and Madison as well. The truth is that the Marquette players look nothing like 90 Percent of the state and the dumb yokel mentality of people outside Southeast Wis just cant get behind players that dont look like the starting forward for Slinger or West Bend West.
Madison for a lack of a better phrase is :"A bunch of people that believe in diversity but once a black family moves in they move to the next block"
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 26, 2011, 08:45:05 PM
Their are plenty of Blacks in Kenosha, Racine and Madison as well. The truth is that the Marquette players look nothing like 90 Percent of the state and the dumb yokel mentality of people outside Southeast Wis just cant get behind players that dont look like the starting forward for Slinger or West Bend West.
Madison for a lack of a better phrase is :"A bunch of people that believe in diversity but once a black family moves in they move to the next block"
Madison's African American population I'll bet is less than 8%...it wouldn't surprise me if it was 5%.
I liked your quote....so very true. I also agree that many MU players don't look like folks that a number of yokels are used to. That doesn't mean African American, but you hear the "thug" crap thrown around because of the tattoos, the cornrows, etc from UW fans and others in the state. It's one of the reasons I wasn't thrilled with the poster MU did this year because you knew that would just feed into that crap belief that some folks have. Oh well.
5.84%
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 26, 2011, 09:03:12 PM
Hey, I was close. Source?
us census
People QuickFacts Wisconsin vs USA
Population, 2009 estimate 5,654,774 307,006,550
Population, percent change, April 1, 2000 to July 1, 2009 5.4% 9.1%
Population estimates base (April 1) 2000 5,363,708 281,424,602
Persons under 5 years old, percent, 2009 6.4% 6.9%
Persons under 18 years old, percent, 2009 23.2% 24.3%
Persons 65 years old and over, percent, 2009 13.5% 12.9%
Female persons, percent, 2009 50.3% 50.7%
White persons, percent, 2009 (a) 89.4% 79.6%
Black persons, percent, 2009 (a) 6.2% 12.9%
American Indian and Alaska Native persons, percent, 2009 (a) 1.0% 1.0%
Asian persons, percent, 2009 (a) 2.2% 4.6%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, percent, 2009 (a) Z 0.2%
Persons reporting two or more races, percent, 2009 1.2% 1.7%
Persons of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent, 2009 (b) 5.3% 15.8%
White persons not Hispanic, percent, 2009 84.6% 65.1%
People QuickFacts Madison vs Wisconsin
Population, 2006 estimate 223,389 5,556,506
Population, percent change, April 1, 2000 to July 1, 2006 6.8% 3.6%
Population, 2000 208,054 5,363,675
The data on age were derived from answers to a question that was asked of all people in Census 2000. The age of the person was usually derived from their date of birth information. Persons under 5 years old, percent, 2000 5.2% 6.4%
Persons under 18 years old, percent, 2000 17.9% 25.5%
Persons 65 years old and over, percent, 2000 9.2% 13.1%
Female persons, percent, 2000 50.9% 50.6%
White persons, percent, 2000 (a) 84.0% 88.9%
Black persons, percent, 2000 (a) 5.8% 5.7%
American Indian and Alaska Native persons, percent, 2000 (a) 0.4% 0.9%
Asian persons, percent, 2000 (a) 5.8% 1.7%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander, percent, 2000 (a) Z Z
Persons reporting two or more races, percent, 2000 2.3% 1.2%