That's the reported salary and perks per several sources, including the MJS.
That's pretty good money for a guy with his resume.
MU can also easily raise that.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on March 15, 2011, 10:54:57 PM
That's pretty good money for a guy with his resume.
MU can also easily raise that.
That's my point from another thread. There is no way another school offers more money. He could leave for a dream job but that probably is Texas. I am not too worried.
Quote from: ErickJD08 on March 15, 2011, 10:57:23 PM
That's my point from another thread. There is no way another school offers more money. He could leave for a dream job but that probably is Texas. I am not too worried.
Are you sure? There are at least 23 D1 coaches who make more.
(http://blog.al.com/solomon/2009/04/medium_422salary.jpg)
Interesting that Mike Krzyzewski isn't on that list. Or is he not on there because he and/or has never disclosed his salary?
The text below the chart is tough to read but says private schools, such as Duke with Mike Krzyzewski, don't have to provide salaries.
I can somewhat read it now that you pointed it out. I guess I should have also noticed that there were only public schools on that list when I originally looked through it.
Quote from: Marquette84 on March 15, 2011, 11:25:40 PM
Are you sure? There are at least 23 D1 coaches who make more.
(http://blog.al.com/solomon/2009/04/medium_422salary.jpg)
Sure Buzz is making less than that now. But he has no credentials and is making a lot for a third year coach on basically his first job.
MU had Crean over $2M. Times are better for MU and I would guess that they could get back up there and higher if they needed to compete.
Giving a coach like Buzz $3M at a public school might even be a PR nightmare for a public school using taxpayer money. Even with context and knowing that hoops can make money for a school, it still looks like wasteful spending to give an unproven coach that much with public money.
I believe Buzz when he alludes to money not being important. As long as we are within a few hundred thousand, I don' think money will be his reason to leave.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on March 16, 2011, 12:20:29 AM
Sure Buzz is making less than that now. But he has no credentials and is making a lot for a third year coach on basically his first job.
MU had Crean over $2M. Times are better for MU and I would guess that they could get back up there and higher if they needed to compete.
Giving a coach like Buzz $3M at a public school might even be a PR nightmare for a public school using taxpayer money. Even with context and knowing that hoops can make money for a school, it still looks like wasteful spending to give an unproven coach that much with public money.
I believe Buzz when he alludes to money not being important. As long as we are within a few hundred thousand, I don' think money will be his reason to leave.
I'm not on the inside when it comes to the inner workings of athletic departments of major conference universities, but from just reading stuff over the years, it seems to be the case that many times when a university needs to bump up the pay of their coach or fork out enough to lure away an already well paid coach, they try hitting up boosters to help pay the extra money.
So if say Arkansas tried to lure Anderson or Buzz away from their current jobs, i'm assuming that the university would then hit up the major boosters by telling them we need your help because we can't lure either away by asking them to take a pay cut from their current jobs.
If Buzz stays and at some point after this year or in the future MU approached him with a raise, my pure guess is boosters might be asked to help out?
If i'm doing way to much wrong guessing and assuming, i'll stand corrected.
Quote from: El Duderino on March 16, 2011, 12:51:01 AM
I'm not on the inside when it comes to the inner workings of athletic departments of major conference universities, but from just reading stuff over the years, it seems to be the case that many times when a university needs to bump up the pay of their coach or fork out enough to lure away an already well paid coach, they try hitting up boosters to help pay the extra money.
So if say Arkansas tried to lure Anderson or Buzz away from their current jobs, i'm assuming that the university would then hit up the major boosters by telling them we need your help because we can't lure either away by asking them to take a pay cut from their current jobs.
If Buzz stays and at some point after this year or in the future MU approached him with a raise, my pure guess is boosters might be asked to help out?
If i'm doing way to much wrong guessing and assuming, i'll stand corrected.
Agreed. Dick Strong probably hates this time of year more than anyone.
Quote from: El Duderino on March 16, 2011, 12:51:01 AM
I'm not on the inside when it comes to the inner workings of athletic departments of major conference universities, but from just reading stuff over the years, it seems to be the case that many times when a university needs to bump up the pay of their coach or fork out enough to lure away an already well paid coach, they try hitting up boosters to help pay the extra money.
So if say Arkansas tried to lure Anderson or Buzz away from their current jobs, i'm assuming that the university would then hit up the major boosters by telling them we need your help because we can't lure either away by asking them to take a pay cut from their current jobs.
If Buzz stays and at some point after this year or in the future MU approached him with a raise, my pure guess is boosters might be asked to help out?
If i'm doing way to much wrong guessing and assuming, i'll stand corrected.
I would guess that is the case too, that alums could give money to fund the program in some way.
However, Buzz would still be a public employee of the state and you cannot pay a coach under the table. The head coach of Oklahoma University's salary is listed in the newspaper as a state salary. It's a small thing, but it would be worth an "Why are we spending $2.5M tax money on some guy names Buzz who hasn't done anything" article. The context that basketball generates money and a good team generates more wouldn't stop the article. It's not going to limit a school being competitive with offering Buzz money, but I am not sure if a public school can give a person like Buzz Calipari money just to get him out of MU. There would be PR consequences.
My basic point is that I would be confident that MU can survive a bidding war. MU just has to hope that the Big East, MU's Catholic environment where Buzz can speak his beliefs, and the players he has are enough for him and his family. Money won't be the deciding factor because MU can pay.
No one will offer buzz more than what mu will match. He will not make a lateral move over money. Why leave all the young talent he put together for next year?
Give up your worries till an elite program comes calling. We have several buzz years to not worry about this.
Until he can improve his record while using his own players and not crean's he doesnt deserve a raise. So far his record has decreased each year.
You can do an end run around pay issues. I was the news director of a TV station in Texas. The law was you couldn't pay a coach more than the district superintendent. I inherited a football show that we produced. The head coach and assistants got huge checks for appearing. This is high school and we're talking serious pay checks for these guys. They also got use of cars from a local dealer.
Quote from: groove on March 16, 2011, 06:44:56 AM
Until he can improve his record while using his own players and not crean's he doesnt deserve a raise. So far his record has decreased each year.
I'm not saying Buzz is on his way out of Milwaukee just yet, but this type of post and some of the negative media comments that have been directed his way by guys like Mark Belling, Begel and others may be telling Buzz that it might be better to go to a program that is on the lows.
Some of you guys just don't understand college basketball. Yes, Buzz had the returning talent his first year and produced. His second year he did an outstanding job with a very average group of players. If people criticize what he did this year, just put your eyes on Bloomington, Indiana to see what Crean did in his third with his own players like Buzz did with his own. You only have 3 recruiting classes to make up this Marquette team and I say it's only 2 1/2 when you consider Tyshawn Taylor and Nick Williams left off of that first class and MU is playing in the NCAA Friday.
Maybe Marquette is it's own worst enemy with fans who have unrealistic expectations and it's quite possible the negative media in Milwaukee and the state coupled with the irresponsible booing at the St. John's has left Buzz thinking to himslef that it might be better elsewhere.
Quote from: Tulsa Warrior on March 16, 2011, 07:09:05 AM
You can do an end run around pay issues. I was the news director of a TV station in Texas. The law was you couldn't pay a coach more than the district superintendent. I inherited a football show that we produced. The head coach and assistants got huge checks for appearing. This is high school and we're talking serious pay checks for these guys. They also got use of cars from a local dealer.
Yeah, but thats Texas.
Quote from: Marquette84 on March 15, 2011, 11:25:40 PM
Are you sure? There are at least 23 D1 coaches who make more.
(http://blog.al.com/solomon/2009/04/medium_422salary.jpg)
Not buying this article. They saying Shurshefski of Dookie is making less after being there over 20 years?
wait to see how next year pans out before uppiong the ante.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 16, 2011, 07:27:13 AM
Not buying this article. They saying Shurshefski of Dookie is making less after being there over 20 years?
wait to see how next year pans out before uppiong the ante.
If you can read the bottom of the article, or the rest of the thread, you'd see private schools like Duke don't have to provide the salaries of their coaches. K is obviously making more.
As an aside, MU is already the highest spending school in the Big East. Are they going to shell out a ton more money to bump Buzz's salary?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0315-ncaa-notre-dame--20110314,0,4272384.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0315-ncaa-notre-dame--20110314,0,4272384.story)
Quote from: TedBaxter on March 16, 2011, 07:24:14 AM
I'm not saying Buzz is on his way out of Milwaukee just yet, but this type of post and some of the negative media comments that have been directed his way by guys like Mark Belling, Begel and others may be telling Buzz that it might be better to go to a program that is on the lows.
Belling and Begel? Pul-leeze....
I keep hearing this mantra that MU fan's high expectations are going to push Buzz out. I don't exactly feel that Buzz is under a great deal of pressure by anyone other than some Scoopers, a self-obsessed radio host, and a few blog writers. Is there some sort of groundswell of expectations in Milwaukee that I am not seeing?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 16, 2011, 07:50:42 AM
Belling and Begel? Pul-leeze....
I keep hearing this mantra that MU fan's high expectations are going to push Buzz out. I don't exactly feel that Buzz is under a great deal of pressure by anyone other than some Scoopers, a self-obsessed radio host, and a few blog writers. Is there some sort of groundswell of expectations in Milwaukee that I am not seeing?
+1
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 16, 2011, 07:50:42 AM
Belling and Begel? Pul-leeze....
I keep hearing this mantra that MU fan's high expectations are going to push Buzz out. I don't exactly feel that Buzz is under a great deal of pressure by anyone other than some Scoopers, a self-obsessed radio host, and a few blog writers. Is there some sort of groundswell of expectations in Milwaukee that I am not seeing?
You had the booing at the BC during the St. John's game. You come on this board after some losses and 50% of poster complain about Buzz's coaching/strategy. You read the comments section of the Journal Sentinel..and 50% of those are either Badger trolls or ignorant Marquette fans.
We have idiotic posts citing Buzz's record has gone from 12-6, to 11-7 to 9-9....the guy isn't from WI, has no ties to the area, has virtually no recruiting base in WI, MU is in a tenuous position due to no football team/conference realignment, MKE is one of the worst weather/cold cities in the country...so why deal with all of those negatives and an at times negative fan base? Some fans will always be idiots anywhere...but considering the situation Buzz walked into at MU with regard to roster complexion in Year 2 and 3..for us to make the NCAA in both years and many "fans" still taking issue with his coaching, use of JUCO players, etc....it's got to be annoying to the man himself.
Quote from: Tulsa Warrior on March 16, 2011, 07:09:05 AM
You can do an end run around pay issues. I was the news director of a TV station in Texas. The law was you couldn't pay a coach more than the district superintendent. I inherited a football show that we produced. The head coach and assistants got huge checks for appearing. This is high school and we're talking serious pay checks for these guys. They also got use of cars from a local dealer.
I actually heard that Rhett Bhomar leased them those
Quote from: Ners on March 16, 2011, 08:27:35 AM
You had the booing at the BC during the St. John's game. You come on this board after some losses and 50% of poster complain about Buzz's coaching/strategy. You read the comments section of the Journal Sentinel..and 50% of those are either Badger trolls or ignorant Marquette fans.
Again, a handful of boos and posters on message boards isn't any sort of widespread pressure to perform better. Some perspective here. The money is still rolling in. His bosses seem happy with his performance. The big donors seem pleased...or at least they don't seem unhappy.
If any of those three circumstances change, THEN he will feel pressure. What people post on a message board is completely irrelevant and doesn't affect him in any signifcant way.
Quote from: Ners on March 16, 2011, 08:27:35 AM
You had the booing at the BC during the St. John's game. You come on this board after some losses and 50% of poster complain about Buzz's coaching/strategy. You read the comments section of the Journal Sentinel..and 50% of those are either Badger trolls or ignorant Marquette fans.
We have idiotic posts citing Buzz's record has gone from 12-6, to 11-7 to 9-9....the guy isn't from WI, has no ties to the area, has virtually no recruiting base in WI, MU is in a tenuous position due to no football team/conference realignment, MKE is one of the worst weather/cold cities in the country...so why deal with all of those negatives and an at times negative fan base? Some fans will always be idiots anywhere...but considering the situation Buzz walked into at MU with regard to roster complexion in Year 2 and 3..for us to make the NCAA in both years and many "fans" still taking issue with his coaching, use of JUCO players, etc....it's got to be annoying to the man himself.
Sigh. You put way to much stock in the amount of influence that the average idiot fan has.
Now, if the alumni who are major donors started crying all the time, you might have a foot to stand on.
Honestly, MUScoop doesn't serve all of our fan base, and there is no test that you have to pass to post here. To say that we have any real effect on Buzz's choice to stay or go as Scoop posters is as unintentionally comedic as Tom Crean's antics.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 16, 2011, 08:51:49 AM
Sigh. You put way to much stock in the amount of influence that the average idiot fan has.
Now, if the alumni who are major donors started crying all the time, you might have a foot to stand on.
Honestly, MUScoop doesn't serve all of our fan base, and there is no test that you have to pass to post here. To say that we have any real effect on Buzz's choice to stay or go as Scoop posters is as unintentionally comedic as Tom Crean's antics.
Thanks for the laugh. I very well could be wrong in my analysis..and over-valuing the message board chatter, booing at SJU game etc. But I do have it on record directly from a high ranking official in the athletic department and an assistant coach that these boards get read. I asked them directly. Their response: "Yes, unfortunately."
Yes message boards are a school/teams most passionate fans, and those most likely to be over the top...but put yourself in their position for a minute..you bust your ass working/recruiting/PR'ing for the university..have generally put up VERY good results all things considering....then you come to your fan board...and have 50% of your most passionate fans flying off the handle after every loss, questioning your coaching, recruiting, coaching staff, need for a "defensive assistant coach" a la Gene Keady at St. Johns, etc...
Yes, this type of scrutiny will take place everywhere...but I'm just not sure that it would with the venom at a place like AR or OU as basketball is secondary to football. Plus..it is easier to recruit to those schools, better weather and less worry about conference realignment and being left behind. Don't think MU/Buzz don't have to combat this on the recruiting trail..
Personally, I'd take the brutal honesty of a message board. As you said, and I will restate, there are nutters everywhere.
Also, I wouldn't call the Big 12 stable by any means. :)