Poll
Question:
Should we temporarily lock all non-Xavier threads?
Option 1: No.
Option 2: Yes, "pause" the madness.
Today's freak out over a few sentences from Buzz not professing his complete devotion to MU spawns this question.
Naturally, we are hesitant to lock any legit thread.
How about a pause? Lock all these coaching threads until after the game?
Just looking for some input.
Could we temporarily lock only the "Buzz is leaving!"-type threads?
Yes, and absolutely.
If it's still like this on thursday, then I would lock all buzz job posts for a couple days.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 15, 2011, 10:39:04 PM
Today's freak out over a few sentences from Buzz not professing his complete devotion to MU spawns this question.
Naturally, we are hesitant to lock any legit thread.
How about a pause? Lock all these coaching threads until after the game?
Just looking for some input.
Too many trolls and jerkoffs, please at least lock the Buzz leaving related threads. They are so annoying. I wish I had the self control to not read them.
All discussion should be welcome, but it is getting kind of old around here.
How about moving the Buzz threads to a new forum called "Rumors" or something like that?
Just lock the ones about Buzz please
Also very confused. Did I miss Buzz saying something? Or anything other then speculation and a few twitters from writers that they think he'd be a good fit?
Hate to say it - but I have to vote no. I've resisted the urge to actually post on these threads, for the same reasons that we are now discussing locking them. But for better or worse we are who we are as the MU community. This one day upheaval has made me look back on how we as MU fans would look from the outside and even if I dont always like it, I think locking threads and trying to tailor that is more us wishing the discourse were different than it organically is.
I say let them go for now and maybe once the games tip off on Thursday until we are eliminated (or cut down the nets ;D) then its open season.
Yes
My suggestion is to not lock them, but instead to merge them into one super thread.
Limiting speech isn't necessary, but we also don't need a forum that is a mess with 10-15 topics talking about the same damn thing.
Absolutely not. People can ignore them if they wish. Terrible precedent.
Furthermore, what exactly do people want to talk about re: Friday's game? The keys to victory? We have a thread on that... Who's going to be there? We have a thread on that...
And then what exactly? I love when the people who bitch about wanting to talk about the game never seem to talk about the game. Seriously, I have never seen a discussion board so obsessed about what is a "legitimate" topic or not. The rumors around Buzz leaving is a legitimate MU basketball topic.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 16, 2011, 07:40:49 AM
Absolutely not. People can ignore them if they wish. Terrible precedent.
Furthermore, what exactly do people want to talk about re: Friday's game? The keys to victory? We have a thread on that... Who's going to be there? We have a thread on that...
And then what exactly? I love when the people who bitch about wanting to talk about the game never seem to talk about the game. Seriously, I have never seen a discussion board so obsessed about what is a "legitimate" topic or not. The rumors around Buzz leaving is a legitimate MU basketball topic.
Is it 10-15 legitimate topics though?
Thats the real point here. Not that its being discussed... but that it floods the board.
I love our mods, but sometimes I think they let some things just overwhelm the board.
The "New Topic" button should be used a little less liberally by our posters.
Hards, I can agree with that. I don't care if the mods "merge" the topics. However that wasn't the poll question.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 16, 2011, 07:51:25 AM
I love our mods, but sometimes I think they let some things just overwhelm the board.
We do .. mainly because it's just a mess when you merge two long threads together, or two rapidly growing threads. If you can nip one in the bud with 2-3 messages and merge it with a "main" thread, you're good. Otherwise, it's just a mess, and ruins the "good" thread.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 16, 2011, 07:51:25 AM
The "New Topic" button should be used a little WAY WAY WAY less liberally by our posters.
Fixed.
.. As for the poll .. sigh. Can't please all of the people all of the time.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 16, 2011, 07:57:07 AM
We do .. mainly because it's just a mess when you merge two long threads together, or two rapidly growing threads. If you can nip one in the bud with 2-3 messages and merge it with a "main" thread, you're good. Otherwise, it's just a mess, and ruins the "good" thread.
Fixed.
.. As for the poll .. sigh. Can't please all of the people all of the time.
I understand that it sort of ruins the continuity of the threads when you combine them... but my opinion is 'oh well'. :)
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 16, 2011, 07:51:25 AM
The "New Topic" button should be used a little less liberally by our posters.
I hate pluses, but +1977
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 16, 2011, 08:06:25 AM
I understand that it sort of ruins the continuity of the threads when you combine them... but my opinion is 'oh well'. :)
Right .. but, I'd rather ruin the thread of the nit-wit who started his own thread, than the 'good' thread. Baby, bathwater.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 16, 2011, 07:55:37 AM
Hards, I can agree with that. I don't care if the mods "merge" the topics. However that wasn't the poll question.
So you are telling me, I shouldn't create a new thread claiming you are know-it-all-jaghole? ;D
I just kiddddddding.
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So what is it? 65% say stop the BS. That's pretty much 2 to 1.
no... lock all the threads about open jobs and anything speculating Buzz Williams and moving vans.
I am clearly in the minority here. However, I think it would be a mistake to block these posts. I am not saying I like them. I don't. This is a site for fans to talk about what is the hot topic. If that topic is rumors and speculation and not the tournament I think that sucks. However, I don't think it is a reason to go all Big Brother. If you do now and then maybe on some other bothersome topic or two the site becomes less relevant.
I voted for locking the threads. Or better yet, if feasible, move the threads to The Superbar or elsewhere. I agree that the rumors are note- and news-worthy, but this has gotten excessive and made the board virtually unreadable. I had a Xavier friend email me:
"Went to Marq's musccop (sic) forum this morning hoping to find analysis and interesting tidbits on your squad. I'll never get that 5 minutes back. Never read so much handwringing . . . and I used to be a longtime poster on a Cinci Bearcat forum. Do you people know you have a NCAA tournament game on Friday? Hopefully your team is as distracted by the talking heads as your fans. You people are a joke - and that's coming from an X fan. If anyone knows the paranoia that can arise from the coaching carousel, trust me, it's us."
Quote from: TSN_92 on March 16, 2011, 08:39:23 AM
I am clearly in the minority here. However, I think it would be a mistake to block these posts. I am not saying I like them. I don't. This is a site for fans to talk about what is the hot topic. If that topic is rumors and speculation and not the tournament I think that sucks. However, I don't think it is a reason to go all Big Brother. If you do now and then maybe on some other bothersome topic or two the site becomes less relevant.
I agree somewhat.
I think that the problem is that the madness has generated 15 new threads instead of containing itself to 1 or 2 threads of coherent discussion. It's spamming the biggest basketball game of the year off of the forums and is the reason that I didn't check the forums most of the day yesterday.
We can't ask the mods to spend all day on the forums trying to merge new topics before they blow up, so the only other course of action is to temporarily lock some of the threads. Maybe leave two or three of the bigger better discussions on the topic so that it's still being discussed for those that are interested and lock the rest (including new ones)?
Quote from: garekis on March 16, 2011, 08:39:53 AM
I voted for locking the threads. Or better yet, if feasible, move the threads to The Superbar or elsewhere. I agree that the rumors are note- and news-worthy, but this has gotten excessive and made the board virtually unreadable. I had a Xavier friend email me:
"Went to Marq's musccop (sic) forum this morning hoping to find analysis and interesting tidbits on your squad. I'll never get that 5 minutes back. Never read so much handwringing . . . and I used to be a longtime poster on a Cinci Bearcat forum. Do you people know you have a NCAA tournament game on Friday? Hopefully your team is as distracted by the talking heads as your fans. You people are a joke - and that's coming from an X fan. If anyone knows the paranoia that can arise from the coaching carousel, trust me, it's us."
Why should I care what Xavier fans think? Why should I care that they can't find "interesting tidbits on our team?" It's not their discussion board.
I mean look at the Xavier board:
http://xavierhoops.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=2
Outside of a pick the score, and who is going to Cleveland thread, there is one thread on the game itself. Again, what exactly do people want to talk about regarding Friday's game? I keep asking that question and nobody gives me a response.
I think this board is a place where we can come and talk about hoops and the program. I am frustrated by Buzz's answer to a simple question. So I thought I would come to the MU board to express this frustration...after all my wife couldn't care less so I have no one else to turn to. Now there are people who don't want other people to talk about issues affecting the program. That's just wrong...if you don't want to talk about ignore the thread. Don't blame this topic on people concerned with the program, blame Buzz for being evasive.
Absolutely not. I know it's a private board, but that's censorship in a way and I don't like it. As long as it's related to Marquette basketball, I vote for keeping it live.
Don't keep making new threads about the same thing. It's unreadable. Please lock all but one or two of the "Coaching Carousel" so all that crap is in one place.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 16, 2011, 08:54:05 AM
Why should I care what Xavier fans think? Why should I care that they can't find "interesting tidbits on our team?"
I don't know if or why you should care about either of those things. Ultimately, you'll need to answer those questions for yourself. You should certainly share your answers publicly on this board, however, because - like your and others' speculative opinions on if, where, and when Buzz will go - those are thought provoking and informative.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 16, 2011, 08:54:05 AM
Again, what exactly do people want to talk about regarding Friday's game? I keep asking that question and nobody gives me a response.
I can only speak for myself, but I'd welcome some more discussion on, to name just a few topics: the composition of Xavier's team; Xavier's perceived offensive and defensive strengths and weaknesses; and how our team may look to capitalize on those weaknesses and minimize those strengths.
Quote from: BrewCity on March 16, 2011, 09:18:06 AM
Don't keep making new threads about the same thing. It's unreadable. Please lock all but one or two of the "Coaching Carousel" so all that crap is in one place.
This is a good solution.
Quote from: BrewCity on March 16, 2011, 09:18:06 AM
Don't keep making new threads about the same thing. It's unreadable. Please lock all but one or two of the "Coaching Carousel" so all that crap is in one place.
I'm on board with this idea as well. I don't mind the Buzz discussion, but it's taking over the board. We need to keep it contained.
I guess I kind of hope Buzz leaves, then all the "fans" will have something to talk about during the long offseason. The heck with basketball when there is gossip to pursue.
Guys .. before you go claiming "censorship" .. the operative word was "PAUSE" the threads .. lock them until after the game ends, then re-open.
He'll no. It's a legitimate MU issue and should be discussed freely by the fans just as all other issue are that concern Warrior hoops. What are people afraid of, the truth? Man up and deal with it. Muzzling those who post smacks of the other board. No thanks.
Reading this board stresses me out.
Not "muzzling," old man. Focusing. Temporarily.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 16, 2011, 10:35:05 AM
Not "muzzling," old man. Focusing. Temporarily.
But why? If people want to talk about it, and it certainly is on-topic, why would you put in on pause? There are topics out there where people can talk about the game, but it looks as though that isn't what people want to talk about.
I think the moderators have the right to moderate. It is their board. If you don't like it, start a Marquette gossip coaching change board. And if people stray from that topic, you have a right to reign in to the purpose of your board.
No one is arguing that they don't have the right NCMU...it's whether or not they should excercise that right is the question.
Honestly, I'm hoping that just the existence of THIS thread will help the problem.
We are way better at doing nothing.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 16, 2011, 11:14:22 AM
Honestly, I'm hoping that just the existence of THIS thread will help the problem.
We are way better at doing nothing.
My wife says I'm good at that also
I voted yes. It is pathetically nauseating around here. Way too many people whining who no absolutely nothing. I think Buzz is going nowhere other ppl think he is. Big deal. It's going to happen. Everyone talking about stuff they have no idea about on here is only making the problem worse.
Either lock, or merge into a super thread and add all new threads related to the "super thread". ASAP! Please. Thank you.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 16, 2011, 11:14:22 AM
Honestly, I'm hoping that just the existence of THIS thread will help the problem.
We are way better at doing nothing.
Speak for yourself.. sitting back, drinking a beer, and watching the mayhem are three distinct activities I do all at once and I'm very very good at them!
Seriously though, a bartender doesn't sit in and control every conversation that happens in his shop - we try to do about the same here. Course, when there's a Manchester United game on and you wear green into one of their pubs you're liable to get thrown out with extreme prejudice (and probably for good reason). Topper's poll is whether we should perform a similar "refinement" of conversation in a temporary manner so as to produce maximum enjoyment of the games we're about to witness.
Quote from: BrewCity on March 16, 2011, 09:18:06 AM
Don't keep making new threads about the same thing. It's unreadable. Please lock all but one or two of the "Coaching Carousel" so all that crap is in one place.
I vote for this. My issue isn't that people are discussing the coaching carousel, it's that there are a dozen threads about it.
Buzz staying or leaving has a greater long term affect on the program than the X game. This should be the #1 priority of the admin and to a lesser degree the fans. The landscape of college ball is too difficult today and that is reflected in the lower quality of overall team talent across the country. MU is in ZERO position to roll the dice.
Quote from: Goose on March 16, 2011, 11:46:04 AM
Buzz staying or leaving has a greater long term affect on the program than the X game. This should be the #1 priority of the admin and to a lesser degree the fans. The landscape of college ball is too difficult today and that is reflected in the lower quality of overall team talent across the country. MU is in ZERO position to roll the dice.
Last time I checked, MUscoop is not the administration.
Jamil--You are correct. I have seen the up's and down's of hires and believe this issue will have MAJOR impact on the future of the team we all love. I would rather lose Friday and build for the future than other way around. Anyone who thinks the X game is more important than who the coach is must be in outer space.
Quote from: Goose on March 16, 2011, 11:59:47 AM
Jamil--You are correct. I have seen the up's and down's of hires and believe this issue will have MAJOR impact on the future of the team we all love. I would rather lose Friday and build for the future than other way around. Anyone who thinks the X game is more important than who the coach is must be in outer space.
No one is saying that it's more important. We don't know if Buzz will leave and if Marquette will need to find a new coach...but we do know that Marquette plays in the NCAA Tournament on Friday and nothing in regards to a coaching change is going to be determined prior to that game.
Quote from: Goose on March 16, 2011, 11:59:47 AM
Jamil--You are correct. I have seen the up's and down's of hires and believe this issue will have MAJOR impact on the future of the team we all love. I would rather lose Friday and build for the future than other way around. Anyone who thinks the X game is more important than who the coach is must be in outer space.
It's clearly not. But, at the same time, there is no substance at all to these rumors. Some guido looking fool who says Buzz is going to OU or ARK and a few Gottlieb tweets. I personally am not worreid about Buzz leaving.
On the other hand, we have the biggest game of the year on Friday, and you can't even find anything on this board about it. It's pathetic. If people were worried about the players knowing about it, they sure as hell know now. I am sure they have asked Buzz about it at this point, and I am sure they have been reassured that he isn't interested in leaving.
Better idea, an Around the NCAA board were we can have all these coaching changes threads, I4 updates, Wisconsin mocking ect. All the "Gray Area" items that are not about the games being played/our players and Arn't quite Superbar material.
Those that want to continue these topics made up by some guido looking for something to do can, and it is filtered out for all of us that actually want to read about MU Hoops.