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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: dw3dw3dw3 on March 15, 2011, 08:00:20 AM
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Since breaking down Xavier is a little boring, who would be on your coaches short list? In order to make it a little more interesting let's say you can't pick a head coach from the major conferences or the A-10. I couldn't really come up with an option 1 or 2.
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3. Benford - Recruiting, well spoken
4. Taylor (ODU) - Results, Recruiting
5. Brad Stevens (Butler) - Results
6. Jeter
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I'm not advocating for him, but Dwayne Stephens, asst. at MSU. Used to be at MU under TC. Considered one of the top recruiters in the country.
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Buzz Williams.
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Is there a coach in the Big South this year, who has one year of head coaching experience, with around a 14-17 record? They would be my first choice. That's what we went for with the last hire.
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Is there a coach in the Big South this year, who has one year of head coaching experience, with around a 14-17 record? They would be my first choice. That's what we went for with the last hire.
Worked out pretty well, didn't it?
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Is there a coach in the Big South this year, who has one year of head coaching experience, with around a 14-17 record? They would be my first choice. That's what we went for with the last hire.
I'd prefer we just hire the last assistant left in the building. But only after waiting the maximum three days.
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I'd prefer we just hire the last assistant left in the building. But only after waiting the maximum three days.
Perfect. Or the one thing better than a panic 72-hour hire would be a panic extension of his contract.
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Perfect. Or the one thing better than a panic 72-hour hire would be a panic extension of his contract.
Nah .... let's conduct a long, dragged out search and hire one of the hot names out there. You know, the 2011 version of Keno Davis, Tony Bennett, Chris Lowery, Jim Les ... someone like that.
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Nah .... let's conduct a long, dragged out search and hire one of the hot names out there. You know, the 2011 version of Keno Davis, Tony Bennett, Chris Lowery, Jim Les ... someone like that.
Yeah, we'd probably be 30-3 if we did!!!
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What does the resident realist say? Mark Few?
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What does the resident realist say? Mark Few?
Few turned down Phil Knight's millions and brand new facilities at Oregon because he's been holding out for the Marquette job.
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If Buzz leaves, it's going to be tough to stomach the program rebuilding again - transfers from current team, current recruits asking out of LOI, another missed class on recruiting...
will set MU back another 2 - 3 years...
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BUZZ WILLIAMS. We cannot afford another change in the program. Cottingham & Co. have to do whatever it takes to make sure he remains at MU. If we have another coaching change we are taking a very big gamble.
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If Buzz leaves, it's going to be tough to stomach the program rebuilding again - transfers from current team, current recruits asking out of LOI, another missed class on recruiting...
I would be surprised if Buzz left for one of the current openings because of how openly religious he is. Would other schools tolerate a heavily Christian basketball program, even down in the bible-belt?
Marquette is a great fit for Buzz all-around except for geographically, and he hasn't had a single problem bringing Texas to Milwaukee to make it feel a little more like home :)
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I would be surprised if Buzz left for one of the current openings because of how openly religious he is. Would other schools tolerate a heavily Christian basketball program, even down in the bible-belt?
Marquette is a great fit for Buzz all-around except for geographically, and he hasn't had a single problem bringing Texas to Milwaukee to make it feel a little more like home :)
I would be very surprised if religion is an issue whatsoever. On either side of the bargaining table.
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Yeah, we'd probably be 30-3 if we did!!!
Oh, so you're looking for a coaching legend...
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Robert Montgomery Knight
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How is this more exciting than breaking down the X game??? Given how little I've seen of X this year, that seems to be a lot more topical and relevant to our present situation.
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How is this more exciting than breaking down the X game??? Given how little I've seen of X this year, that seems to be a lot more topical and relevant to our present situation.
No shiz!! We wait all year for the NCAA tourney, chew our nails about making it in, and then once we're there, we're bored and proceed to discuss off-season crap.
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BUZZ WILLIAMS. We cannot afford another change in the program. Cottingham & Co. have to do whatever it takes to make sure he remains at MU. If we have another coaching change we are taking a very big gamble.
Too early to throw even bigger $ at Buzz--se how next year goes. I do not know what he is making this year, but I have seen that others say that it is about 1 million zoidies per year, including perks. IMO that should be enough for right now.
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How is this more exciting than breaking down the X game??? Given how little I've seen of X this year, that seems to be a lot more topical and relevant to our present situation.
Just want to get to the game already... my head might explode unless I distract myself with irrelevant questions.
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Since breaking down Xavier is a little boring, who would be on your coaches short list? In order to make it a little more interesting let's say you can't pick a head coach from the major conferences or the A-10. I couldn't really come up with an option 1 or 2.
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2.
3. Benford - Recruiting, well spoken
4. Taylor (ODU) - Results, Recruiting
5. Brad Stevens (Butler) - Results
6. Jeter
Just out of curiosity...when was the last time a white guy was referred to as "well spoken"? :o ;D
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When it comes to a basketball coach who is the face of the university, I think that would be a top 3 attribute you would be looking for (with recruiting and coaching)... black or white.
To answer your question... I googled it and found a reference for you.
http://latenightdebates.wordpress.com/2010/11/16/college-basketball-preview/
"Tony Bennett, a well spoken white dude who comes off extremely well in the living rooms of rich, pretentious parents of “high IQ” (read: white) basketball recruits, is literally stealing the playbook right from under Coach K’s scrunched ferret nose."
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If we lose buzz, the next few years would be hard to watch. My vote is for the higher ups to do whatever they need to do in order to keep buzz. We are trending in the right direction. No need to take five steps back. That would be brutal.
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Mark Few or Dwayne Stephens Need shooters and players who play smart basketball.
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+1,000,000 - can not stomach another off season of players transferring, recruits de-committing and losing a year of recruiting die to losing Buzz
losing Buzz would set MU back 2 - 3 years...
If we lose buzz, the next few years would be hard to watch. My vote is for the higher ups to do whatever they need to do in order to keep buzz. We are trending in the right direction. No need to take five steps back. That would be brutal.
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Just out of curiosity...when was the last time a white guy was referred to as "well spoken"? :o ;D
"Whenever Colin Powell is on the news, white people give him the same compliments: 'How do you feel about Colin Powell?', 'He speaks so well! He's so well spoken. I mean he really speaks so well!' Like that's a compliment, sh*t. 'He speaks so well' is not a compliment, okay? 'He speaks so well' is some sh*t you say about retarded people that can talk. What do you mean he speaks so well? He's a fuc*ing educated man! How the fu*k you expect him to sound, you dirty motherfuc*er? 'He speaks so well.' What are you talking about? What voice were you expecting to come out of his mouth? 'Imma drop me a bomb today', 'I be Pwez o dent!'.""
--Chris Rock
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Mark Few? The Oregon native and University of Oregon alum that turned down a gazillion Nike dollars and a brand-spanking new state-of-the-art arena by not taking the Oregon job last year so he could stay at Gonzaga? Why on earth would he want to come to Milwaukee?
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I'm goona pretend Rob Jeter wasn't on this initial list. that made me LOL
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Who the hell said Mark Few?
That's like asking which glass you want and answering "The Holy Grail"
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I'm goona pretend Rob Jeter wasn't on this initial list. that made me LOL
Exactly. UW-M's run at the end of the season kept him from being fired. He won't be on any mid-major's list for a coach to recruit, much less anyone in a power conference.
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Nah .... let's conduct a long, dragged out search and hire one of the hot names out there. You know, the 2011 version of Keno Davis, Tony Bennett, Chris Lowery, Jim Les ... someone like that.
Like the month long search St. John's did? Of course we have to wait a number of years to see if it truly works out, but I'd wager SJU fans are pretty happy right now based on this year and an incredible recruiting class next year plus one of the best staffs in the business.
Is Tony Bennett in trouble or something? 9th in the ACC last year. 7th in the ACC this year.
Look, I'm sure we can all come up with examples of hires that took merely hours that worked out and ones that took hours that didn't. Same as ones that took weeks that worked out and those that took weeks that didn't work out. So stipulated
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Dean Smith
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John Wooden
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Who the hell said Mark Few?
That's like asking which glass you want and answering "The Holy Grail"
I think you are seriously overating Mark Few. Just like in football when everyone overates Chris Peterson. Just because you have built a nice mid-major program, that doesn't mean you can compete nightly at the top-level.
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1. Mark Turgeon (unlikely, throw some big $$ at him)
2. Brian Gregory
3. Scott Spinelli (A&M assistant, great recruiter)
4. who knows, would need to research some more.
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Like the month long search St. John's did? Of course we have to wait a number of years to see if it truly works out, but I'd wager SJU fans are pretty happy right now based on this year and an incredible recruiting class next year plus one of the best staffs in the business.
Yeah, St. John's coaching search was the model. Dawdled on for weeks, was described as "aimless" and "poor" in the local press and they were publicly rejected by at least three candidates before settling for Lavin.
From the NY Daily News:
"St. John's search is now reaching the stage where it is tarnishing the school's reputation. It is rapidly becoming a comedy of errors. It is hard to believe St. John's could duplicate the fiasco that occurred six years ago when it was turned down by Hewitt and had to eventually hire Roberts. This time around, Monasch boxed himself into a corner when he claimed that St. John's had the resources to pay a Top 25 coach, and then haphazardly grasped at straws by putting together a wish list of candidates without properly gauging the probability of getting them. It's like going on a family vacation without any tickets or reservations."
Looks like it may ultimately work out for them, but nobody thinks St. John's conducted a proper coaching search.
Stellar example of how a search should be conducted.
Is Tony Bennett in trouble or something? 9th in the ACC last year. 7th in the ACC this year.
7th place in a weak ACC (only four bids, one of them highly dubious), home losses to Seattle, Iowa State and Wake Forest, and no postseason, again? We should be so lucky, I guess.
No, Bennett isn't in trouble. But he's certainly underperforming.
Look, I'm sure we can all come up with examples of hires that took merely hours that worked out and ones that took hours that didn't. Same as ones that took weeks that worked out and those that took weeks that didn't work out. So stipulated.
And yet some continue to b*tch about MU's process, which landed a guy who in just three years has become a hot commodity on the coaching carousel.
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Tom Crean
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Tom Crean
Haha, I can't believe this thread made it this long before someone said it. He'll probably be available soon...
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Mike Kelly
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He'll probably be available soon...
Unlikely
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Haha, I can't believe this thread made it this long before someone said it. He'll probably be available soon...
Mike Deane is available now. Kevin O'Neill and Rick Majerus soon to follow.
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Cuonzo Martin
He's turned around Missouri St. in only 3 years
Midwestern roots
Job he might want the most (Purdue) likely to be occupied for a long time
Or maybe Coach K is looking for a new challenge.
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Cuonzo Martin
He's turned around Missouri St. in only 3 years
Midwestern roots
Job he might want the most (Purdue) likely to be occupied for a long time
Jon Harris is one of Martin's assistants at Missouri St.
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Don't care, as long as he is a traditional coach can recruit traditional players! ;D
Just having some fun here
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Yeah, St. John's coaching search was the model. Dawdled on for weeks, was described as "aimless" and "poor" in the local press and they were publicly rejected by at least three candidates before settling for Lavin.
I'm sure glad that we take our marching orders from the press in this country. Whatever they say is the last and final word.
Secondly, if MU hired any number of other folks, they would also likely be candidates right now as well. He walked into a golden opportunity and did VERY WELL. He didn't screw it up in year one. Last year, I thought he did a very good job. This year...eh.
Now, all the positions he's being "named" for are all in his geographic sweet spot, you seem not to mention that pesky detail. Maybe as things unveil he'll be up for the NC State job as well, who knows.
Yes, the ACC was down and he took advantage of it by moving his team up from 9th to 7th. I don't disagree with that statement.
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Jon Harris is one of Martin's assistants at Missouri St.
Bonus points. But what would the "WE NEED TO ALWAYS PRACTICE FREE THROWS" crowd make of that?
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I'm sure glad that we take our marching orders from the press in this country. Whatever they say is the last and final word.
I know we'd be much better off taking marching orders from message board insiders, but the fact remains that St. John's hiring process last year was a disaster. and your silly comments about the press don't change that.
Secondly, if MU hired any number of other folks, they would also likely be candidates right now as well. He walked into a golden opportunity and did VERY WELL. He didn't screw it up in year one. Last year, I thought he did a very good job. This year...eh.
Typical inconsistency.
Buzz takes over a team with a bunch of seniors, they do well and he gets no credit.
Lavin takes over a team with a bunch of seniors, they do well, it's an amazing example of a brilliant coaching hire.
Yes, the ACC was down and he took advantage of it by moving his team up from 9th to 7th. I don't disagree with that statement.
And if your sole measure for success and/or improvement is the ACC standings, then one could argue that Bennett's team is improving.
On the other hand, Ken Pomeroy and Warren Nolan might beg to differ with your conclusion.
This year's team was rated 97 by Pomeroy, just behind Providence, while playing the 60th toughest schedule. Last year, he had them 76th against the 34th toughest schedule.
Nolan had the Cavs this year at 141st agianst the 103rd strongest schedule. Last year those numbers were 127 and 58.
So, take it for what it's worth, but the people willing to look at things a little more analytically than what they can read in the standings wouldn't say Virginia is improving under Bennett. Of course, they still might, but things aren't looking up at the moment.
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Cottingham & Co. must definitely give a huge raise to BUZZ Williams. The recruiting classes he has been putting up year after year is pretty impressive. I understand that Buzz's X and O's are to be questioned at times but he is a coach that is still learning and will only improve. However, if Buzz decides to leave MU, Dino Gaudio would definitely be one person I would look to replace Buzz. He was a pretty good recruiter at Wake Forest and he developed players like Al Farouq Aminu, James Johnson and Jeff Teague. Either way I still believe Buzz is the best fit for this program.
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I hope Buzz sticks around, but if he ends up leaving, I think the Cuonzo Martin suggestion was a good one.
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Cottingham & Co. must definitely give a huge raise to BUZZ Williams. The recruiting classes he has been putting up year after year is pretty impressive. I understand that Buzz's X and O's are to be questioned at times but he is a coach that is still learning and will only improve. However, if Buzz decides to leave MU, Dino Gaudio would definitely be one person I would look to replace Buzz. He was a pretty good recruiter at Wake Forest and he developed players like Al Farouq Aminu, James Johnson and Jeff Teague. Either way I still believe Buzz is the best fit for this program.
What do you know? You've only got 12 posts.
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What do you know? You've only got 12 posts.
Sorry Lighthouse 84. I believe somebody with 12 posts can also voice out what they believe. I hope my mere remark in support of Buzz and his possible replacement didn't offend you!
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Sorry Lighthouse 84. I believe somebody with 12 posts can also voice out what they believe. I hope my mere remark in support of Buzz and his possible replacement didn't offend you!
Fareast man, if the color is teal, it means sarcastic. Its OK
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Fareast man, if the color is teal, it means sarcastic. Its OK
Thanks NYG. Fareast Man, I assumed you read the rest of the thread and were familiar with teal. My bad for assuming.