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I have never come across a bitchier set of fans about how their school name is pronounced.
Except for the 'Scoop when it comes to our former coach. :P
I don't know if we do or dont win but after reading their boards I want to burry this team. They are giving us no chance. Most of them just talk about Cuse. The ones who do talk about us talk about how we are a terrible match up. Yet, most of us feel its a great match up.
Idk if Butler guards Holloway at all but one of their last posts was how Holloway would have Xavier in the double bonus within 5 minutes. What an ignorant idiot. Does he not see what Jimmy has done on other players? Does he not see our Ft makes compared to oppenents attempted? How many games has Jimmy fouled out?
Its ok to believe your team will win, they have a great chance. But my god are those fans ignorant blockheads.
A Syracuse/Xavier fan currently working in MU athletics dept. ?
In the words of MU's own US Senator Joe McCarthy..."what ever happened to loyalty oaths?". lol
According to this Xavier board there is one...and he is an Xavier grad. ....to wit:
..."My friend is a huge Xavier fan and graduate, Syracuse fan, and works for the Marquette athletics department. I doubt he survives this week.
......"
Why wouldn't they be? They're the higher seed, they've had much more tournament success than us in recent history, we finished .500 in conference and had 14 losses (just because we know the reasons doesn't mean the average Xavier fan does), they're much closer to home, etc.
Don't forget that exact same thing was going on here a year ago about Washington. That didn't work out as planned, perhaps they will suffer the same fate.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on March 14, 2011, 11:28:51 AM
I don't know if we do or dont win but after reading their boards I want to burry this team. They are giving us no chance. Most of them just talk about Cuse. The ones who do talk about us talk about how we are a terrible match up. Yet, most of us feel its a great match up.
Idk if Butler guards Holloway at all but one of their last posts was how Holloway would have Xavier in the double bonus within 5 minutes. What an ignorant idiot. Does he not see what Jimmy has done on other players? Does he not see our Ft makes compared to oppenents attempted? How many games has Jimmy fouled out?
Its ok to believe your team will win, they have a great chance. But my god are those fans ignorant blockheads.
In a word, no. How much do we really know about Xavier? I certainly don't know details that would be the equivalent of knowing that our star 3/4 will probably guard their PG and that he hasn't fouled out of any games and that he's played great defense against some great players.
Remember last year when we were a 6 and talking about our 2nd round game because Washington came from the lowly Pac-10? Grow some thicker skin - the higher seeded team with great tournament success in recent years has a right to be confident.
Quote from: reinko on March 14, 2011, 11:20:58 AM
I have never come across a bitchier set of fans about how their school name is pronounced.
I don't think they're any worse about their name being mispronounced than we are when somebody thinks we're located in Michigan.
They should be confident. We are too. Good for them. Now, I believe they are evil and must be destroyed.
Quote from: reinko on March 14, 2011, 11:20:58 AM
I have never come across a bitchier set of fans about how their school name is pronounced.
I know, it's ZAV E A (say the name of the letter). I learned the proper pronunciation from watching a Kansas game last year.
They've had a good year. We have been inconsistent. They have earned the right to be confident. My heart says we win. My brain is conflicted.
Quote from: TJ on March 14, 2011, 11:32:23 AM
Why wouldn't they be? They're the higher seed, they've had much more tournament success than us in recent history, we finished .500 in conference and had 14 losses (just because we know the reasons doesn't mean the average Xavier fan does), they're much closer to home, etc.
+1
Who cares what their fans think? I know quite a few MU fans who are pretty confident that Marquette will win. I also know quite a few MU fans who were pretty confident that MU would win against Wisconsin, Vandy, Gonzaga, Seton Hall, ND and Louisville. It didn't seem to affect the outcome one bit.
Quote from: TJ on March 14, 2011, 11:36:46 AM
In a word, no. How much do we really know about Xavier? I certainly don't know details that would be the equivalent of knowing that our star 3/4 will probably guard their PG and that he hasn't fouled out of any games and that he's played great defense against some great players.
Remember last year when we were a 6 and talking about our 2nd round game because Washington came from the lowly Pac-10? Grow some thicker skin - the higher seeded team with great tournament success in recent years has a right to be confident.
How much do "we"? Sense when does what you know equate to what I know about a team? Sense when are Xavier and Washington even similar? One game we were a 6 the other an 11. One team is from the Pac 10 the other from the A 10. One team has made a lot of Sweet 16s the other hasnt. Go to bed.
Quote from: houwarrior on March 14, 2011, 11:31:00 AM
A Syracuse/Xavier fan currently working in MU athletics dept. ?
When we played X last year he cheered for his paycheck. I assume this year will be no different!
Quote from: Marquette84 on March 14, 2011, 11:39:01 AM
I don't think they're any worse about their name being mispronounced than we are when somebody thinks we're located in Michigan.
+1
They weren't impressed with our WV win...
QuoteI went to the MU-WVU game on Thurs and was pretty entertained, but MU was not impressive to say the least (so what does that say about WVU). Really don't shoot the ball, but they attack the basket relentlessly. Their pg (#5) is very fast and had a good game, but MU fans seemed surprised at how well he played and Tu should be able to control the game.
To be honest, as long as X plays in control, I see no reason not to roll. I am a little worried with Frease and Lyons coming out composed, but if they do, this one should be fairly easy. WVU had no inside game but shot the ball well. The 2nd half WVU looked like they left their brains in the locker room and just played horribly.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on March 14, 2011, 11:49:50 AM
How much do "we"? Sense when does what you know equate to what I know about a team?
We as in our fanbase, not you personally. I don't know how much you personally know about Xavier (apparently a lot), but I can bet that the Xavier fanbase doesn't know as much about us as you apparently think. You can't expect them to know every little facet about how Buzz is going to coach the game, down to the idea of having Jimmy guard their point guard.
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on March 14, 2011, 11:49:50 AM
Sense when are Xavier and Washington even similar? One game we were a 6 the other an 11. One team is from the Pac 10 the other from the A 10. One team has made a lot of Sweet 16s the other hasnt. Go to bed.
I don't think you really read the post or you missed it completely. You're complaining about the #6 seed Xavier being confident against the #11 seed Marquette. Last year, I recall a lot of confidence on this board when the #6 seed Marquette had a game against the #11 seed Washington. They have the exact same confidence we had last year. So you can be upset about it if you want, but I just see a normal reaction. In fact, as you pointed out they have the had much recent tourney success to back up their confidence.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 14, 2011, 12:00:40 PM
They weren't impressed with our WV win...
I mean, this team doesn't execute like the 2009 team pre-Dom's injury, but come on. They may need a reality check then if don't think a win at the Garden against a tourney team means something. Their resume is a joke if beating WVU on a neutral court means nothing.
Remember when XU played in the A-10?
Remember when XU lost to Miami (OH), Charlotte and Dayton?
Their Kenpom is lower than ours, but they are a very good team on offense and defense... This is probably due to their low SOS.
Look at their schedule, they haven't beaten ANYONE of note. (best win is over Temple)
IMO they are overseeded, and I am more than happy to play them.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on March 14, 2011, 12:22:03 PM
I mean, this team doesn't execute like the 2009 team pre-Dom's injury, but come on. They may need a reality check then if don't think a win at the Garden against a tourney team ranked and seeded higher than them means something. Their resume is a joke if beating WVU on a neutral court means nothing.
Amended.
Maybe this is why? They expect to win vs. looking under the rock to uncover something that points to MU losing even though we are in elite company in terms of appearances?
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• Xavier and Michigan State are the only teams in all of NCAA Division I that have
made the Sweet 16 in each of the last three NCAA Tournaments.
• Xavier is making its sixth straight NCAA Tournament appearance and its tenth in the
last 11 years, including the NCAA Sweet 16 last three seasons and NCAA Elite
Eight appearances in 2008 and 2004.
• Xavier is one of only 12 schools that have made six straight NCAA Tournament
appearances, including this year: Duke, Gonzaga, Kansas, Marquette, Michigan State,
Pittsburgh, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M, Villanova, Wisconsin and Xavier.
I honestly thought it was a pretty balanced thread. There were fans talking crap because X is their alma mater, but that's completely understandable.
I'm really looking forward to a good Jesuit school matchup. It's hard to hate X when we have so much in common. Similar student body size and tuition. Hopefully their fans all have to work late Friday so that they can't make it to the game and pack the house :)
I LOVE this position for Marquette. Dissed by the committee, underdogs per the Vegas line, pkaying in their back yard, etc.
I like the fact that they're looking past us, I don't think they realize how tough of an out we can be as long as we aren't playin Seton Hall at their home or Louisville at MSG ;D
I'm glad for their fans. It's good to be confident. Let them.
Luckily, the fans do not play the game. (Otherwise we could see another 22-16 Big10 type score or worse!)
;)
Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on March 14, 2011, 11:28:51 AM
I don't know if we do or dont win but after reading their boards I want to burry this team. They are giving us no chance. Most of them just talk about Cuse. The ones who do talk about us talk about how we are a terrible match up. Yet, most of us feel its a great match up.
Idk if Butler guards Holloway at all but one of their last posts was how Holloway would have Xavier in the double bonus within 5 minutes. What an ignorant idiot. Does he not see what Jimmy has done on other players? Does he not see our Ft makes compared to oppenents attempted? How many games has Jimmy fouled out?
Its ok to believe your team will win, they have a great chance. But my god are those fans ignorant blockheads.
this may help you understand why they say that. From Rosiak:
QuoteHow's this for a stat: Xavier's Tu Holloway is 233 for 268 at the FT line this year (86.9%). #MUBB's Jimmy Butler has ATTEMPTED 228 FTs.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on March 14, 2011, 12:54:59 PM
I'm really looking forward to a good Jesuit school matchup. It's hard to hate X when we have so much in common. Similar student body size and tuition.
Are you saying you've seen Xavier's coeds? And they are large?
Quote from: tower912 on March 14, 2011, 11:45:15 AM
They've had a good year. We have been inconsistent. They have earned the right to be confident. My heart says we win. My brain is conflicted.
While I agree with that thought, I do wonder how Xavier would have fared with our schedule and vice versa.
If I were Xavier, on the surface it looks like a good match-up for them. An 11 seed with 14 losses. Similar to how I felt about Washington on the Monday after Selection Sunday. Reading posts from their fanbase about their strengths and weaknesses, going into our match-up with them, I was less confident.
I suspect the same may happen in reverse, as we are their Washington. Now, if we can take that to it's fullest ... ;D
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 14, 2011, 12:55:46 PM
I LOVE this position for Marquette. Dissed by the committee,
Yes I can hear it now: "An 11 seed?!?!?!?! WE SHOULD BE A 9!!! WE'LL SHOW THEM!!!!"
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 14, 2011, 01:59:32 PM
Yes I can hear it now: "An 11 seed?!?!?!?! WE SHOULD BE A 9!!! WE'LL SHOW THEM!!!!"
If it works ... ;D
Washington was upset being the 11 seed last year. They, though, felt they deserved our seed. I think that is the minimum spread it would take to feel dissed and have it be impactful in any way.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 14, 2011, 01:59:32 PM
Yes I can hear it now: "An 11 seed?!?!?!?! WE SHOULD BE A 9!!! WE'LL SHOW THEM!!!!"
I've seen teams cling to much less when playing the disrepected card. And who's to say they felt like a 9? Have you looked at the 6's, 7's and 8's? My guess is they feel disrespected by the committee as they arguably should as an 11 playing in the opponent's home state.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 14, 2011, 12:26:31 PM
Maybe this is why? They expect to win vs. looking under the rock to uncover something that points to MU losing even though we are in elite company in terms of appearances?
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• Xavier and Michigan State are the only teams in all of NCAA Division I that have
made the Sweet 16 in each of the last three NCAA Tournaments.
• Xavier is making its sixth straight NCAA Tournament appearance and its tenth in the
last 11 years, including the NCAA Sweet 16 last three seasons and NCAA Elite
Eight appearances in 2008 and 2004.
• Xavier is one of only 12 schools that have made six straight NCAA Tournament
appearances, including this year: Duke, Gonzaga, Kansas, Marquette, Michigan State,
Pittsburgh, Tennessee, Texas, Texas A&M, Villanova, Wisconsin and Xavier.
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Are we back to the entitlement argument? Xavier has definitely had success in recent years, but does that justify a presumption of continued success?
Go Warriors.
Let's try not to generalize. Just because some message board posters say they have it easy against MU does not mean that all Xavier fans are ignorant fools.
Quote from: reinko on March 14, 2011, 11:20:58 AM
I have never come across a bitchier set of fans about how their school name is pronounced.
Except for the 'Scoop when it comes to our former coach. :P
Go to the UWM (or UW-M or Milwaukee or is it UW M) board and you might find some competition
Quote from: MUMac on March 14, 2011, 01:55:15 PM
While I agree with that thought, I do wonder how Xavier would have fared with our schedule and vice versa.
If I were Xavier, on the surface it looks like a good match-up for them. An 11 seed with 14 losses. Similar to how I felt about Washington on the Monday after Selection Sunday. Reading posts from their fanbase about their strengths and weaknesses, going into our match-up with them, I was less confident.
I suspect the same may happen in reverse, as we are their Washington. Now, if we can take that to it's fullest ... ;D
My guess is it will be a close game as was the Washington game was last year and we'll be forced to sit through yet another hard to breathe type of finish. Hopefully though one of these times, Marquette fans actually get to be elated over a very close NCAA Tournament game instead of heartbroken again.
I wonder if the Xavier fans know how tested Marquette has been. We have played 13 games (!) against teams seeded 1-5; and 6 more games against teams in the field. We have as many wins against 1,2,3 seeds as they do against the entire field.
Xavier has played 1 team seeded in the top 5 (Florida at Xavier, Florida won) and 7 games against teams seeded below 5 (winning 3, Butler, Temple and Georgia).
They haven't played a tourney team since 2/8.
They have some really good players, as good as Holloway is, is he better than Nolan Smith? Kemba Walker? Jordan Taylor? Villanova's Coreys? Hansborough? Even if he is better, is he that much better?
My point is we have seen super talented players all season long. Xavier hasn't seen a team as athletic and talented as Marquette in quite some time.
But as I said, let them be confident. They have every right. But so do we.
Just to remind everybody, before we played them last year, one of their fans posted here confident about a 15 point victory for them.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=16259.0
That whole thread is an amusing look into the past - glad to see I was right about PGs :)
I don't blame them for being a confident bunch, but I do think they overstate their offensive prowess. Oddly, I think MU fans understate our offense. As for our D, well, we hope the "good MU" shows up.
I agree with those of you (us) that think Xavier should be confident. They have had another very solid year, a very good coach in Chris Mack, at least one legit NBA 1st or early 2nd rounder, a good balance of inside and outside offensive firepower, a history of competing well in the NCAA tournament, and the composure to weather their opponents' best shots (most of the time - A10 tourney loss to their biggest and, at the time, desperate rival, Dayton, being the most obvious recent exception).
It is imminently fair to say we have been wildly inconsistent this year, some very solid wins and some head-scratcher losses.
I'd imagine this will be an intense game. I'm hardly an expert on Xavier (I've seen them play 2x live and about 3x on TV this year). With that caveat: I think the key for them is controlling the boards; and, on the flip, I think the key for us is hitting outside shots. When they're playing volleyball on the offensive glass, Xavier wins games. When 2 out of 3 of DJO, Crowder, and Buycks are hitting from 3, we do.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 14, 2011, 04:48:22 PM
Just to remind everybody, before we played them last year, one of their fans posted here confident about a 15 point victory for them.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=16259.0
That whole thread is an amusing look into the past - glad to see I was right about PGs :)
I don't blame them for being a confident bunch, but I do think they overstate their offensive prowess. Oddly, I think MU fans understate our offense.
Absolutely. We are ranked 32nd in pts per game, 19th in assists per game and 33rd in FG%. All better than Xavier's 74, 139 and 48, respectively.
Like you said, it really depends on which defense shows up...