Can somebody explain to me how a kid that goes to NDP or now St. Johns military gets to play
4 years in college after the year at the prep school. These are really glorified junior colleges?
So why not 3 years, in makes no sense. Sure it is good for the kid, he improves his stock, gets
a better offer, but... secondly, was Todd Mayo recruitable out of high school, did he have the
grades??? What was his reason for going to NDP?
They aren't junior colleges. They are prep high schools. I'm not sure if he went for basketball reasons or grades. He was at a ho-hum high school in suburban Memphis before going there.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 12, 2011, 09:21:39 PM
They aren't junior colleges. They are prep high schools. I'm not sure if he went for basketball reasons or grades. He was at a ho-hum high school in suburban Memphis before going there.
Uhhhmmm.. not really a ho-hum high school, actually a pretty good one. His backcourt buddy his 'first senior year' at Germantown was Austin Hollins (son of Lionel) who is a frosh at Minnesota.
Yet lost in the first round of the Tennessee state tournament by 20+ points.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 12, 2011, 09:27:50 PM
Yet lost in the first round of the Tennessee state tournament by 20+ points.
Huh? Are you comparing this year's team to last year's team? Schools can fall off quickly, bro. Just look at I4. Germantown was a solid team when Mayo was there.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 12, 2011, 09:15:34 PM
Can somebody explain to me how a kid that goes to NDP or now St. Johns military gets to play
4 years in college after the year at the prep school. These are really glorified junior colleges?
So why not 3 years, in makes no sense. Sure it is good for the kid, he improves his stock, gets
a better offer, but... secondly, was Todd Mayo recruitable out of high school, did he have the
grades??? What was his reason for going to NDP?
Some of these prep schools are diploma mills. One could strong argue where Mbao attended out here in Simi Valley fit that bill. Other prep schools are just that, preparatory schools for college and no issues with the NCAA Clearing House.
david cubillan came from st. benedicts prep of new jersey, but they only mention a fith year as one needed to complete requirements for graduation. i don't think they can play 5 years of ball??
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 12, 2011, 09:34:11 PM
Huh? Are you comparing this year's team to last year's team? Schools can fall off quickly, bro. Just look at I4. Germantown was a solid team when Mayo was there.
No. In the 2010 tournament, Germantown lost by 20 in the first round.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 12, 2011, 09:39:05 PM
Some of these prep schools are diploma mills. One could strong argue where Mbao attended out here in Simi Valley fit that bill. Other prep schools are just that, preparatory schools for college and no issues with the NCAA Clearing House.
Which one is ND Prep?
Quote from: Skitch on March 12, 2011, 10:17:26 PM
Which one is ND Prep?
Hayward went there and Crean recruited him. Therefore, it couldn't possibly be the former. Only Buzz recruits from diploma mills.
This is the latest list. It has changed several times since 2006
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Student-Athlete+Experience/Non-Eligible+High+Schools
Junior Cadougan's school, God's Academy is currently not recognized by the NCAA. Again, I'm just presenting a fact but I'm sure this will be attacked. At the time of JC's recruitment, it was certified but has been added to the list of no-no's for 2010 by the NCAA.
EDIT: Incorrect on my part. JC did not attend God's Academy. Edited to reflect such. He attended Christian Life Academy.
Instead it was Yous Mbao's school, Stoneridge Prep that was originally on the "inactive" list by the NCAA and labeled a Diploma Mill by the Washington Post in their 2006 investigation. Later they were further scrutinized by HBO's Real Time with Bryant Gumbel. They were later certified. Stoneridge has quite a reputation in these parts as the CIF has had to rule them ineligible several times in the Southern Section for using ineligible players.
Again, my apologies for getting the wrong player and school. Hopefully that clears it up.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/02/AR2006060201579.html
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 12, 2011, 11:05:26 PM
These were the original diploma mills per the NCAA
This is the latest list. It has changed several times since 2006
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Student-Athlete+Experience/Non-Eligible+High+Schools
Junior Cadougan's school, God's Academy is currently not recognized by the NCAA. Again, I'm just presenting a fact but I'm sure this will be attacked. At the time of JC's recruitment, it was certified but has been added to the list of no-no's for 2010 by the NCAA.
Cadougan played at Christian Life Acadamy in Humble, TX.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 12, 2011, 11:05:26 PM
These were the original diploma mills per the NCAA
This is the latest list. It has changed several times since 2006
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Student-Athlete+Experience/Non-Eligible+High+Schools
Junior Cadougan's school, God's Academy is currently not recognized by the NCAA. Again, I'm just presenting a fact but I'm sure this will be attacked. At the time of JC's recruitment, it was certified but has been added to the list of no-no's for 2010 by the NCAA.
Care to retract your "fact?"
I believe most of the prep schools that have a history of sending players DI are "diploma mills." Their players either had the grades, but want another chance to catch coaches' eyes or don't have the grades and use the year to become eligible. Personally. I don't find a problem with it. Your whole life is ahead of you still! I'm sure Lazar is happy with the route he took! :)
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 12, 2011, 11:05:26 PM
These were the original diploma mills per the NCAA
This is the latest list. It has changed several times since 2006
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Student-Athlete+Experience/Non-Eligible+High+Schools
Junior Cadougan's school, God's Academy is currently not recognized by the NCAA. Again, I'm just presenting a fact but I'm sure this will be attacked. At the time of JC's recruitment, it was certified but has been added to the list of no-no's for 2010 by the NCAA.
WOW!! A false "fact" that casts a bad light on a player Buzz Williams recruited. Hard to believe.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 12, 2011, 11:11:21 PM
Cadougan played at Christian Life Acadamy in Humble, TX.
Thank you kindly. My fault...I am wrong (ners, take note). I will edit appropriately.
Ners, unfortunately Mbao's school was on the list several years ago. One out of two ain't bad.
On a side note: It's too bad Jimmy didn't go to prep school, rather than JUCO and lose a year of eligibility. He is a year younger than his class and could have REALLY shined as a 22 year old senior!
Quote from: DomJamesToTheBasket on March 12, 2011, 11:41:01 PM
On a side note: It's too bad Jimmy didn't go to prep school, rather than JUCO and lose a year of eligibility. He is a year younger than his class and could have REALLY shined as a 22 year old senior!
Totally agree! Vander is also a year younger than his class. He could/should be a high school senior right now, but people rip on him for "only" looking good against weaker
Division I opponents. Laughable!
Quote from: Jamailman on March 12, 2011, 11:58:15 PM
Totally agree! Vander is also a year younger than his class. He could/should be a high school senior right now, but people rip on him for "only" looking good against weaker Division I opponents. Laughable!
I never realized Vander was that young! I think he would still normally be in the same class, but clearly on the young side. He definitely has a bright future.....a long, intuitive player with many skills. Tons of upside!
I never really fully understood why some choose JC over Prep. Part of it is grades, but the question about Jimmy Butler got me questionning it. I know that Butler addressed this one time, might have been money, I can't recall.
Here is an interesting article. Careful, though, it has a more positive spin than chico's would like.
http://www.ctpost.com/basketball/article/Prep-schools-can-provide-avenue-to-college-512963.php#page-1 (http://www.ctpost.com/basketball/article/Prep-schools-can-provide-avenue-to-college-512963.php#page-1)
Quote from: DomJamesToTheBasket on March 13, 2011, 12:22:23 AM
I never realized Vander was that young! I think he would still normally be in the same class, but clearly on the young side. He definitely has a bright future.....a long, intuitive player with many skills. Tons of upside!
Players that were more than a year older than Blue as freshmen:
Diener
Novak
Hayward
Players that were 10 months older than Blue as freshmen:
Matthews
James
They were all playing for their high school championships while Blue was competing for a Big East championship and facing the toughest schedule in MU's past 30 years. Weird that he might be struggling a bit. If he still doesn't "get it" by the end of his junior year then maybe that's a fair indictment of his game. The people calling him a bust at this point couldn't have less of a clue.
Quote from: Jamailman on March 12, 2011, 11:58:15 PM
Totally agree! Vander is also a year younger than his class. He could/should be a high school senior right now, but people rip on him for "only" looking good against weaker Division I opponents. Laughable!
It is laughable. Because he didn't look good against them either.
Quote from: MUMac on March 13, 2011, 10:44:21 AM
I never really fully understood why some choose JC over Prep. Part of it is grades, but the question about Jimmy Butler got me questionning it. I know that Butler addressed this one time, might have been money, I can't recall.
Here is an interesting article. Careful, though, it has a more positive spin than chico's would like.
http://www.ctpost.com/basketball/article/Prep-schools-can-provide-avenue-to-college-512963.php#page-1 (http://www.ctpost.com/basketball/article/Prep-schools-can-provide-avenue-to-college-512963.php#page-1)
It's gotta be money. I can't think of another reason not to give that a shot before going the JUCO route.
Vander I am sure has learned what his weaknesses are! It is a matter of working on them
this summer, get in the gym and shoot 500 shots a day. Buzz has stated that Vander works
hard at trying to get better, so I expect Vander to be much improved next year. If not, Todd
Mayo will get some PT time next year.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 13, 2011, 10:59:15 AM
It is laughable. Because he didn't look good against them either.
Really? So 11.9 points, 3.2 assists, 3.6 rebounds and 1.7 steals on 52% FG's, 61% FT's and 30% 3FG against the pre-conference kenpom 90+ teams as the 4th option doesn't count as "good" in your book? This includes a huge three pointer in what turned out to be a crucial win against Bucknell. At the age where Diener, Novak, Hayward, Matthews, and James were intra-squad scrimmaging before their high school seasons even began.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 12, 2011, 11:37:09 PM
Thank you kindly. My fault...I am wrong (ners, take note). I will edit appropriately.
Ners, unfortunately Mbao's school was on the list several years ago. One out of two ain't bad.
Fair enough and apology duly noted. I'll see if I can return the favor of an apology/I was wrong in another thread sometime soon.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 12, 2011, 09:15:34 PM
Can somebody explain to me how a kid that goes to NDP or now St. Johns military gets to play
4 years in college after the year at the prep school. These are really glorified junior colleges?
So why not 3 years, in makes no sense. Sure it is good for the kid, he improves his stock, gets
a better offer, but... secondly, was Todd Mayo recruitable out of high school, did he have the
grades??? What was his reason for going to NDP?
Prep schools often cater to international kids or other first generation to-be college kids who need an adjustment period. They are typically four year high schools with also a year post-graduate program. The extra year prepares the student for a college life they were never prepared for--a year away from home, focus on how to study, how to take or pass the ACT, how to adapt to a life no one in your family has ever experienced. Basically, how to succeed in study and life. Are they sports mills? Most likely as that is the golden ticket out for these kids. I believe Notre Dame Fitchburg is a school who also specializes in learning disabilities--and you can make your own judgements on that and the kids who attended there to play basketball.
Welcome to MU....pass me the Mayo!