Not even he first four out.
RPI all that matters according to Chico and he seems pretty smart.
Don't worry about it. Look at the last 10 in and see how many have wins against the Top 25. Pretty soft bubble and we're not on it.
Oh man, I wonder if the 83 other so called "experts", have us in or not?????
Be gone individual with such a pathetic life you need to post things to exert reaction, so some how you feel like you have value.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 12, 2011, 07:17:02 PM
Not even he first four out.
RPI all that matters according to Chico and he seems pretty smart.
I think you have two options. You will likely believe this is the fact. So, your options are that once the committee announces the field, you will either say I was stressed out for the past 24 hours for nothing. Or, you will say I told you so.
Either way, I don't really have an interest in what Real Time RPI, Lunardi or anyone else says. Our body of work is done and stands on it's own merits. Worrying about what one website, webpage, messageboard ... says is truly irrelevant.
No use getting worked up or stressed out. It's not in your hands or the web sites hands.
True MU Mac
You smell of troll. We've played our hand. All that remains is who we have to beat.
No KenoshaWarrior has posted here before.
83 of 85 projections have us in on the Bracket Matrix. It would be a hugely phenominal upset for us not to be in.
Did washington steal a bid or not?
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 12, 2011, 08:18:06 PM
Did washington steal a bid or not?
According to your 'gold standard of brackets' RealTimeRPI, Washington was already in.
You brought up the bracket and didn't even think to check it before posting this question?
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 12, 2011, 08:18:06 PM
Did washington steal a bid or not?
They were in. Finished 3rd in the Pac 10.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 12, 2011, 07:17:02 PM
Not even he first four out.
RPI all that matters according to Chico and he seems pretty smart.
Slow down. I did not say RPI is all that matters. RPI can be a major factor for some committee members, but each member is different.
I would be surprised if MU is not in but not shocked if the committee decided for whatever reason not to reward us.
Realtime RPI site is awful in my opinion
I think we should be in, no doubt. But with PSU winning again today, everyone saying Michigan and Mich St. in, and Dayton potentially stealing a bid out of the A-10 I'm definitely a little nervous.
I know the committee says they never look at bids per conference, but the blowout against L'ville and high RPI coupled with being the 11th team out of the BEast is just unsettling if there's some hack committee members who overweight that stuff.
If Michigan and MSU are in, we are in.
I'm not worried. There's like seven teams behind us.
Crap Real-Time RPI (1 of 84) does not have us in, NIT here we come
How would the Committee justify putting WVU in the field, but not MU, which beat WVU twice?
Thank God MU beat West Virginia. Without that second win in the BE tourney, there is a decent chance MU does not get a bid, imo.
I would be surprised, but not amazed, if MU is left out now. I sure wish MU could have put up a fight vs Louisville.
Quote from: Norm on March 12, 2011, 08:50:29 PM
How would the Committee justify putting WVU in the field, but not MU, which beat WVU twice?
Body of work...they don't do head to head stuff.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 12, 2011, 08:58:13 PM
Body of work...they don't do head to head stuff.
Really? They don't do head to head comparisons? Even in aleague that doesn't play a balanced schedule?
Then I guess they can put MSU in the field and leave out Michigan, as MSU has a lower, RPI, better strength of schedule and better wins, but lost to UM twice.
Quote from: Norm on March 12, 2011, 09:02:06 PM
Really? They don't do head to head comparisons? Even in aleague that doesn't play a balanced schedule?
Then I guess they can put MSU in the field and leave out Michigan, as MSU has a lower, RPI, better strength of schedule and better wins, but lost to UM twice.
Based on bids in the past, no. There have been bids that have gone to teams while others have been left out despite beating the bid earner multiple times. Only makes sense.
What if we beat WVU twice but WVU beat Pitt, St John's, Notre Dame, Louisville....just as an example. Would our two wins over WVU trump their wins over 4 teams that we went 1-4 against? It's not a real world example, but you get the idea.
WVU was 11-7 and tied for 6th in the Big East. We were 9-9 and tied for 9th place. WVU gets the nod over us based on body of work.
What makes our Resume better than michigans and michigan state and penn state and even illinois?
Whenever they do that Blind resume thing our resume looks terrible!!! I dont like how they do record vs Top 100 and not top 25 which would be better for us
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on March 12, 2011, 09:20:53 PM
What makes our Resume better than michigans and michigan state and penn state and even illinois?
Whenever they do that Blind resume thing our resume looks terrible!!! I dont like how they do record vs Top 100 and not top 25 which would be better for us
Fair question...I've put in green where they are better than us, red where worse. All four of those teams have better RPI and SOS. I would argue all four of those teams are in ahead of us. All 4 have the same number of top 50 wins. All played a tougher schedule, all have 1 bad loss. All that being said, I believe all 5 teams below are in.
MU is 4-7 on road, 28 SOS, 5-12 vs top 50, 2-1 vs 51 through 100, 1 "bad loss" (over 100)
Michigan is 5-5 on road, 16 SOS, 6-9 vs top 50, 4-3 vs 51 through 100, 1 "bad loss" (over 100)
Michigan State is 3-8 on road, 11 SOS, 5-13 vs top 50, 5-0 vs 51 through 100, 1 "bad loss" (over 100)
Illinois is 3-7 on road, 19 SOS, 5-10 vs top 50, 6-1 vs 51 through 100, 1 "bad loss" (over 100)
Penn State is 3-8 on road, 6 SOS, 5-9 vs top 50, 5-3 vs 51 through 100, 1 "bad loss" (over 100)
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2011/nitty
First, they break down RPI records like this
1-50
51-100
101-200
201+
so you're statement of them only seeing vs. top 100 is wrong.
Given that, lets pick the best looking team on your list, which is Michigan State, and show why MU has AT WORST an equal resume.
MU has five top 50 RPI wins. Michigan St has five top 50 RPI wins
MU has a top 50 road win (UCONN) and a neutral court road win (W. Virginia)
Mich St. has NO top 50 road wins, but does have two neutral court wins (Purdue and Washington)
Note: Mich St also lost to UCONN on a neutral court
MU is 20-14 overall, with 9-9 conference record
Michigan State is 19-13 overall, with 9-9 conference record
MU has one 'bad' loss (Seton Hall: RPI 102)
Michigan one 'bad' loss (Iowa: RPI 182!)
MU has RPI 63
Michigan St has RPI 38
This is the only measurable metric where Michigan St. beats out MU, but MU has a better quality of top 50 wins.
Illinois is even worse.
Best road win is vs. RPI 82 Minnesota
Bad Losses: Indiana: RPI 191 and UIC: RPI 293!
So, no, when they do the blind resume thing we do not look terrible. Given the teams you listed, we look comporable at worst, and more impressive by many metrics.
gotcha
Quote from: reinko on March 12, 2011, 07:23:03 PM
Oh man, I wonder if the 83 other so called "experts", have us in or not?????
Be gone individual with such a pathetic life you need to post things to exert reaction, so some how you feel like you have value.
+ a lot!
OK, here's top 50 broken down by 1-25 and 1-50:
Marquette: 1-25: 5-12 1-50: 5-12 (all top 50 games were against 1-25 in RPI)
Michigan: 1-25: 0-8 1-50: 6-9 (all wins vs. #26-50)
Michigan State: 1-25: 2-8 1-50: 5-13
Penn State: 1-25: 1-5 1-50: 5-9 (did not play a top 50 team out of conference)
Illinois: 1-25: 2-6 1-50: 5-10
Marquette has as many Top 25 wins as Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State and Illinois combined.
I wouldn't call losing to SH on the road a 'bad loss'. 102 RPI that missed its best player for a substantial amount of time. It might be our worst loss, but it came on the road against a team that was arguably better than their RPI suggests. SH is not Iowa.
Quote from: Fullodds on March 13, 2011, 01:49:38 AM
I wouldn't call losing to SH on the road a 'bad loss'. 102 RPI that missed its best player for a substantial amount of time. It might be our worst loss, but it came on the road against a team that was arguably better than their RPI suggests. SH is not Iowa.
I agree with this whole heartedly. what im concerned with whether or not we can esacape the grasps of an 8 or 9 seed. now lets open up discussion about IU losing to Iowa twice... (enter chico)
lollerskates
Just looked at RealTimeRPI's joke of a bracket. Cleveland State and Missouri State are both in, yet we're out? Cleveland State has zero top-50 RPI wins and one sub-100 loss with an SOS over 100 and 19 of their 24 wins come against sub-100 teams. Missouri State is the same, except they have two sub-100 losses and 22 of their 25 wins come against sub-100 teams. They exist only as products of RPI. If that were the only factor used, they'd be in. If any other stat is used, they'll be out. RealTimeRPI is clueless.