Sure looks like their legs are fresh.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 11, 2011, 08:01:52 PM
Sure looks like their legs are fresh.
Cause they weren't fuc&king strippers and throwing dice all night like the MU players. Duh.
Maybe their opponents' pace of play/style plays into it? Their previous opponents play at a glacial pace, and Syracuse sits back in a 2/3. Plus Syracuse played a pressure defense to the wire themselves yesterday whereas Louisville hadn't played a game and pressures like crazy. Just a thought.
Having a guard who can take over the game at crunch time covers up a lot of deficiencies. Walker can get his shot when the other 4 guys are standing around scared. We do not have that player.
Quote from: tower912 on March 11, 2011, 08:20:19 PM
Having a guard who can take over the game at crunch time covers up a lot of deficiencies. Walker can get his shot when the other 4 guys are standing around scared. We do not have that player.
Yes sir. 33 points, 12 rebounds, 6 steals and 5 assists. He was just as quick at end of game as when it started.
And he makes the rest of the team better. Again, a deficiency on this team. I love our team. But other than Jimmy Butler occasionally, it just doesn't have that guy who puts the rest of the team on his back, who refuses to lose. Kemba Walker but his team on his back. That is how you win 4 games in 4 nights.
Considering we shot 63% FT, 20% 3PT and 30% FG we could have used a guard that could get his shot at any time with anyone in his face. And, if we did, we would have not looked that tired.
Quote from: tower912 on March 11, 2011, 08:31:14 PM
And he makes the rest of the team better. Again, a deficiency on this team. I love our team. But other than Jimmy Butler occasionally, it just doesn't have that guy who puts the rest of the team on his back, who refuses to lose. Kemba Walker but his team on his back. That is how you win 4 games in 4 nights.
Don't forget the Freshman Lamb. He is playing terrific. 4 wins in 4 games. That is really something in this league.
1. Kemba Walker
2. Kemba Walker
3. They played DePaul in the first round, and a mortally wounded Georgetown team in the second. And Pitt isn't a team that pushes the pace.
And they have a HOF coach like Tom Crean patrolling the sidelines in Jim Calhoun.
I get them not being tired, DePaul, G'Town...considering the state of those two right now Pitt was practically their first game.
My question is where dies UConn get seeded? They seemed to be a 5-6 coming in, but beating 3 top 15 RPI teams in 3 days? If they win tomorrow, I could see them getting a 3 or maybe even a 2-seed. What would that say about the Big East if the 9th place team with a .500 record is a 2-seed? Crazy...
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 11, 2011, 08:51:48 PM
I get them not being tired, DePaul, G'Town...considering the state of those two right now Pitt was practically their first game.
My question is where dies UConn get seeded? They seemed to be a 5-6 coming in, but beating 3 top 15 RPI teams in 3 days? If they win tomorrow, I could see them getting a 3 or maybe even a 2-seed. What would that say about the Big East if the 9th place team with a .500 record is a 2-seed? Crazy...
My question is will this run actually hurt them in the tourney? 5 games in 5 days. They better hope for a Friday game.
To the spin doctors out there and you know who you are:
I read several different excuse makers saying we lost/could not defend because "three games in three days", "legs were tired", etc.
We just saw UCONN win 4 games in 4 days, so save the gas on the "tired" excuse.
So, because UCONN was not tired that means we could not be either? Nice logic. ::)
Wow, way to stay in character, willie.
Quote from: tower912 on March 11, 2011, 09:27:15 PM
Wow, way to stay in character, willie.
It's a BS excuse from the BS'ers
Its whining from the whiner. (See signature)
Quote from: willie warrior on March 11, 2011, 09:32:06 PM
It's a BS excuse from the BS'ers
Actually willie, I think most people on this board have a better understanding of basketball and capability of breaking it down than you. All I have seen from you is b!tching and whining. Nothing of critical substance, nothing of intelligent basketball thought. That is what a BS'er trully does.
Quote from: tower912 on March 11, 2011, 09:33:24 PM
Its whining from the whiner. (See signature)
Do real Warriors get to use "I was tired" as an excuse when defeated?
Quote from: MUSF on March 11, 2011, 09:46:47 PM
Do real Warriors get to use "I was tired" as an excuse when defeated?
Ah the "excuse" card. What is the difference between an excuse and a reason? The fact that you don't buy it or you don't care?
Quote from: MUSF on March 11, 2011, 09:46:47 PM
Do real Warriors get to use "I was tired" as an excuse when defeated?
Were they tired? Was it a contributing factor? Acknowledging fatigue or injury is not making an excuse.
Quote from: MUMac on March 11, 2011, 09:48:04 PM
Ah the "excuse" card. What is the difference between an excuse and a reason? The fact that you don't buy it or you don't care?
Definition for reason: An explanation of the cause of some phenomenon
The reason we lost is that we failed to play as well as our opponents.
Definition for excuse: An explanation offered to justify or obtain forgiveness
The excuse for our failure is that we were tired.
Quote from: MUSF on March 11, 2011, 10:07:52 PM
Definition for reason: An explanation of the cause of some phenomenon
The reason we lost is that we failed to play as well as our opponents.
Definition for excuse: An explanation offered to justify or obtain forgiveness
The excuse for our failure is that we were tired.
Very simplistic definition. But I did not exepect anything more from your response.
I try to dig deeper in an analysis and not be superficial. But to each their own.
Wow. I'm just shocked...that this thread's original author wasn't Willie. But good to see his two cents and incite became a part of the chain.
It really is an interesting question.
UCONN showed zero signs of fatigue and yet MU looked like they were stuck in quicksand from about 10 minutes in.
One thing to remember, though, is that MU is so slow on defensive rotations when they are fresh that any decrease in energy makes them look dead tired.
I do agree that too many MU fans love to make excuses. It was the refs, the team was tired, it was a bad matchup, the team is young, etc. Sometimes you just get your butt kicked.
Quote from: willie wampum on March 11, 2011, 10:25:52 PM
It really is an interesting question.
UCONN showed zero signs of fatigue and yet MU looked like they were stuck in quicksand from about 10 minutes in.
One thing to remember, though, is that MU is so slow on defensive rotations when they are fresh that any decrease in energy makes them look dead tired.
I do agree that too many MU fans love to make excuses. It was the refs, the team was tired, it was a bad matchup, the team is young, etc. Sometimes you just get your butt kicked.
We did get our butt kicked. But we looked slow in the process. After the initial run to take the early lead, we simply never looked like we were fully in the game. We were outplayed, outworked, and outhustled. But I think that one of the main reasons for that is because our guys were gassed.
Why do people try to make being tired into an excuse? Maybe we aren't as well-conditioned as UConn. Maybe they don't play at as fast a pace as we do. Maybe their big star is that much brighter and they do better at rotating their players. I haven't been able to watch every UConn game, so I don't know what all the reasons are that they have been able to keep on rolling while we flamed out. Why they won while we got beat badly. I do know that our team looked tired. Is that the reason they lost? Might Louisville simply have been on that night and we were off? That could be it as well.
But when you see a Marquette team that is a step slow on both ends, it seems logical to try to figure out a reason. Them being tired seems like a logical reason. Either way, we lost. It sucks, but we're still going to the tournament, and I'd rather start focusing on that than rehashing every little nit that can be picked about the Louisville game. It's over. We won't have to play three games in three days again this season, so why worry?
Quote from: MUMac on March 11, 2011, 10:12:54 PM
Very simplistic definition. But I did not exepect anything more from your response.
I try to dig deeper in an analysis and not be superficial. But to each their own.
Okay, enlighten me. What are your complex and deep definitions for reason and excuse? Is there a difference between the two? If not, why are there two different words?
We got our rear ends whooped by a team that was better than us in almost every aspect of the game. Fatigue was probably a factor but it doesn't justify or EXCUSE our overall poor performance. Let's hope this game opened our eyes and pissed us off a little bit. I wouldn't want to be MU's next opponent.
OK, I apologize--the we were tired/gassed/pooped/fatigued, etc. and that is why we lost is the reason. I'll accept that from the reason suppliers.
So we lost by 25 to Slick Rick and it was because we were tired, what about the 13 other losses, I am sure there are other valid reasons, or maybe we were tired in those games too. Maybe we were outcoached or outplayed.
UCONN has had no problems with fatigue, so maybe the answer is elsewhere.
It could be that: we had very little experience prior to this season; or SH just had a good night, or Wisky was lucky, or Louisville got hot, or we are playing many top 25 teams, or our coach is still learning, or we have two many JUCO's, or everybody knows that you have to have seniors that have played together for 4 years to win, or Milwaukee is too hard to recruit to, yada, yada, yada.
We were outplayed and outcoached. We are weak on defense--not adequately protecting the three. Beating ND by 22 must have been a fluke--maybe they were tired that night.
I started an original thread wondering why we looked so gassed against Louisville. We looked cooked in that game after the second media timeout. We weren't going full bore after loose balls, we were leaving shots short, not finishing at the rim and a ton of other things. I don't know how you could have watched our game against Louisville and not thought "Man, they have no energy left at all tonight." Of course part a big part of it was our opponent, who is deep and high energy.
Since Buzz has taken over, this is not uncommon for us when playing consecutive nights. Last year against Georgetown (hardly a high energy team) was the same thing. We simply couldn't compete in the third game of the BET. It seems to be worse for us than other teams, and UConn is an obvious example because we just finished watching them beat a top team on their 4th consecutive night of games.
So naturally I wonder if there was something in Buzz' approach (e.g. our notorious hard-working walk-throughs on game day, his other-worldly intensity all the time, the way that our defense has our players working so hard running all over the place) that contributes to this phenomenon. Why wouldn't I? Given all I've seen and read and heard it seems we give more than enough attention to conditioning I wouldn't think that would be a particular problem for us.
Quote from: MUMac on March 11, 2011, 09:35:41 PM
Actually willie, I think most people on this board have a better understanding of basketball and capability of breaking it down than you. All I have seen from you is b!tching and whining. Nothing of critical substance, nothing of intelligent basketball thought. That is what a BS'er trully does.
Maybe you should elevate your reading interpretation, instead of insult.
Well I guess going forward we should just make sure we get a double bye, so that way if we are too tired in the 3rd game at least it was the BET championship.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 12, 2011, 08:51:01 AM
Maybe you should elevate your reading interpretation, instead of insult.
Seriously, you actually typed that? How ironic. Use an insult to whine about an insult? Isn't that a tad hypocritical, there Willie? Or do you need reading interpretation to understand what you wrote? :o
This kind of thread title just tees it up for Willie so you can't blame him for pulling out the driver and taking a whack at the ball. You may not like the blunt way he words it, but he has a valid note.
They certainly looked tired (observation, not excuse) but the reason for that is up to debate. Probably a little of everything here - third game in three days, LV a better team, LV style of play, etc. I'm not sure I blame Buzz so much since he did extend the rotation (wish I'd seen that earlier) and limit minutes in the previous 2 games.
Quote from: MUSF on March 11, 2011, 10:59:35 PM
Okay, enlighten me. What are your complex and deep definitions for reason and excuse? Is there a difference between the two? If not, why are there two different words?
We got our rear ends whooped by a team that was better than us in almost every aspect of the game. Fatigue was probably a factor but it doesn't justify or EXCUSE our overall poor performance. Let's hope this game opened our eyes and pissed us off a little bit. I wouldn't want to be MU's next opponent.
Show me where I or anyone said fatigue justified or excused our performance? It was a factor in our poor play, yes. That is what was stated.
You chimed in that it was an excuse, not I. Do you believe that UL is 23 points better than MU? If not, why were they on Thursday? It certainly comes across by your comment in that post that any explanation to you was an excuse. Followed by your "definition".
The team came out and looked ready to play. They took a 9 point lead early on and had energy. Energy that disappeared as the game wore on. Sure looked like they were tired to me. But then again, that is an excuse. Ooy!
Fatigue is just an excuse when you lose. These ae 20 year old kids who are used to playing hours and hours at a time day after day.
In the NBA playoffs you hear the opposite excuse when they lose - they had to much time off if they won 4 straight and then had to wait a week to play again.
Quote from: MUMac on March 12, 2011, 09:05:14 AM
Seriously, you actually typed that? How ironic. Use an insult to whine about an insult? Isn't that a tad hypocritical, there Willie? Or do you need reading interpretation to understand what you wrote? :o
Remember--you started it. I am now finished with it.
Warriors forever.
I never did understand the "Tired" arguement.
I remember playing in soccer tournaments all weekend in 80+ degree heat, 3 games a day and fatigue never was a problem. I just don't see how 20 year olds get tired after ONE basketball game a day?? I'm not saying this has anything to do with soccer, but just to put it in perspective.