First, I am not trying to start anything, I just wanted to check on this rumor. I have heard from quite a few alumni who are fairly well connected that Blue is talking about transferring.
I for one hope this is total BS, the kid shows flashes all of the time and I am excited to see his development. Has anyone heard anything about this????
I'm not sure if this is appropriate to be posting on a message board. Let the players make their own decisions about things like this. We have no business creating a ruckus around rumors.
When Pat Hazel decided to transfer, Buzz stopped playing him. Frozena was getting into games before him.
Buzz has not stopped playing Vander.
Just saying
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 11, 2011, 06:20:30 PM
When Pat Hazel decided to transfer, Buzz stopped playing him. Frozena was getting into games before him.
Buzz has not stopped playing Vander.
Just saying
Hazel is not a good example, but I do agree with your point. There are similar examples all over college basketball of a player deciding to transfer and then not getting playing time. We had some at MU over the past few years. Hazel's was a different situation, though.
Is this post a joke? Blue will not hurt MU if he transfers. He will help himiself more by staying at MU. I hope he stays. I think he can be coached to correct his shooting mechanics.
I was actually hoping someone would dispel the rumor. I thought it was BS when I heard it and I still hope it is.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 11, 2011, 06:20:30 PM
When Pat Hazel decided to transfer, Buzz stopped playing him. Frozena was getting into games before him.
Buzz has not stopped playing Vander.
Just saying
Then explain Maymon....played 22 minutes in the game before he transferred
Hope it's not true....if it is, that would be the 2nd high profile Wisconsin HS kid to leave after one year. Something definitely seems to have changed with Vander the junior HS player and Vander as a Senior and today. He needs some work. Hope rumor is BS
WOW..we are about to head to the big dance you decide to post this crap...
Quote from: Andrew Siciliano's Ear on March 11, 2011, 06:30:40 PM
I was actually hoping someone would dispel the rumor. I thought it was BS when I heard it and I still hope it is.
Unless Vander posts here that this rumour is BS, how does a poster dispel this?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 11, 2011, 06:32:00 PM
Then explain Maymon....played 22 minutes in the game before he transferred
C'mon Chicos, you know the answer ... it was AFTER the Wisconsin game that Buzz had the blow up with TMay that lead to the transfer.
Nothing surprises me anymore in regards to MU basketball, but I just think this one is unlikely. Has Vander been unhappy this year at times? I would bet everything I had on it that he has been on probably several occasions, however, I think he learned a lot this year and realized just how good BE basketball is and now knows how much harder he has to work than before.
If he rally wants to transfer, I will assume that Buzz will give him the same deal he gave JMay ... any school except Wisconsin and he will let Vander out of his commitment. The BE has a rule that transfers within the conference have to sit two years so another BE school is out.
So, where is he transferring to? Most likely a step down in school.
Ok, I want some legit sources not "alum that are fairly well connected." That means nothing to me.
Vander Blue is one of the first few guys off the bench and back in January or February said he would live up to the hype. Has his confidence been shot...oh yeah, but then again, we play in the Big East...if he really wants to play against the best, he will stay with Marquette.
We find out that Todd Mayo commits to Marquette this afternoon and you go and post this...to quote the guys from the end ESPN's NFL Countdown...Com'on Man!
I don't understand the point of this post. In the OP, you say that well connected alumni told you he's considering it. Then you ask randoms on the internet to dispel what you're calling a rumor? What on earth are you expecting?
Here you go: He's staying. Now stop creating threads like this. They don't contribute anything positive to the board, the team, or the community.
This rumor has been floating around in various forms since the start of the season. Vander has been unhappy at times, but this has quieted down considerably since the start of the BE season.
Hey, I'm a well connected Alum. My name is on the side of the AL and I know "people" at MU.
I say he's staying ... rumour dispelled.
He's a freshman...find me a single freshman that at some point during the year doesn't ponder going to a different school?
Quote from: DCWarriors04 on March 11, 2011, 06:57:23 PM
He's a freshman...find me a single freshman that at some point during the year doesn't ponder going to a different school?
Yeah in the dead of winter I thought about going to pepperdine
Rosiak did a Blue article a few weeks and in it he said that some say he seems unhappy. Blue responded something along the lines of he feels the same way about Marquette as when he committed and that he will always be a eagle.
Think about it. Vander seems to be a smart guy. Do you really think he believes he has been so good that he merits more time than he's getting? My guess is he knows he has to work on his shot for hours each day this summer. He's getting quite a bit of time as it is. I"m betting Vander knows what he has to do to become a stud at MU and isn't seriously thinking of sitting a year out because he's pissed at his lack of playing time.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 11, 2011, 06:50:00 PM
If he rally wants to transfer, I will assume that Buzz will give him the same deal he gave JMay ... any school except Wisconsin
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 11, 2011, 06:34:56 PM
AFTER the Wisconsin game that Buzz had the blow up with TMay that lead to the transfer.
I don't mean to rehash any old topics, but I genuinely never heard these specifics, or read them anywhere, regarding the Maymon transfer. Is this "insider" knowledge? Can anyone clarify Maymon's transfer for me? Feel free to PM if you don't want to talk about it publicly. Just being curious.
Tim Maymon came to a practice (IIRC) and confronted Buzz, wanted his son to be starting at wing, not playing down low, and for the offense to run through him. Buzz failed to cave.
Quote from: Andrew Siciliano's Ear on March 11, 2011, 06:07:04 PM
First, I am not trying to start anything, I just wanted to check on this rumor. I have heard from quite a few alumni who are fairly well connected that Blue is talking about transferring.
I for one hope this is total BS, the kid shows flashes all of the time and I am excited to see his development. Has anyone heard anything about this????
i heard he was having sex, but he shot before a paint touch=a buzz no no ;D ;D
The mods absolutely need to take this thread DOWN.
Quote from: muguru on March 11, 2011, 07:53:55 PM
The mods absolutely need to take this thread DOWN.
censor censor censor censor censor censor censor censor censor censor censor
It's getting really old seeing "Vander Blue" topics.
I understand this thread is very hypothetical. With that said, if Vander is truly unhappy at Marquette he should leave. Not because we don't want him but because if he isn't vested in things, it's better for the team and for him.
I could also see Vander looking at Toddy Mayo and Jamal Ferguson coming in and start to wonder about his playing time. So, if that is the case, Vander is either going to accept the challenge, compete, and try to prove he's the better player or he's going to give up and go somewhere he knows he will play. But as someone else suggested, likely a step down and against lesser competition. Personally, I would like the kid to show is character and fight for a spot, but he has to do what is best for him.
Quote from: Jamil_toMU10 on March 11, 2011, 08:07:19 PM
It's getting really old seeing "Vander Blue" topics.
I could go for some Vida Blue topics
Quote from: socrplar125 on March 11, 2011, 07:41:52 PM
I don't mean to rehash any old topics, but I genuinely never heard these specifics, or read them anywhere, regarding the Maymon transfer. Is this "insider" knowledge? Can anyone clarify Maymon's transfer for me? Feel free to PM if you don't want to talk about it publicly. Just being curious.
And the "any school but Wisconsin" deal that Buzz gave Maymon is laughable. UW wouldn't have taken JM and wouldn't take VB now.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 11, 2011, 08:19:53 PM
And the "any school but Wisconsin" deal that Buzz gave Maymon is laughable. UW wouldn't have taken JM and wouldn't take VB now.
Does Wisconsin even have a spot right now?
No they do not...and they only have one open for 2012.
So if Vander leaves ... No Wisconsin and no BE (as he would have to sit two years per conference rules). Given the way he played this year, another program of equal quality is not going to give him a schollie. So, if he leaves, he's taking a step down.
Is that what he wants to do ... say the BE is too much for him and go somewhere where it is easier?
Exactly Another. I have no doubt that he went through some tough times - not a secret, it was pretty obvious. But he seemed to understand his role as the season went on.
I would guess that about 90% of freshman kick around transferring or think about what could have been had they decided to go to another school they were admitted to. I remember sitting in McCormick Hall and thinking about how my life would be different had I picked another school. It is usually some pretty short-lived thinking.
There have been some low moments for this team this year. Playing at MSG and getting into the tournament will probably refocus Blue.
Next year will be an experienced team who has played together. Blue won't be able to duplicate that. He would be a big loss as I think he can still develop into an All-Big East player.
"My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious. "
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_uAgLSM9VhDY/TRp5G0er6pI/AAAAAAAAACk/F7rkFoN3OK0/s1600/simone2.jpg)
Honestly, enough of these rumor-mongering garbage posts.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 11, 2011, 08:19:53 PM
And the "any school but Wisconsin" deal that Buzz gave Maymon is laughable. UW wouldn't have taken JM and wouldn't take VB now.
Agree with that.
Quote from: DCWarriors04 on March 11, 2011, 06:57:23 PM
He's a freshman...find me a single freshman that at some point during the year doesn't ponder going to a different school?
Jeremy Lamb
Quote from: willie warrior on March 11, 2011, 09:21:01 PM
Jeremy Lamb
Brandon Knight
Kyrie Irving
Harrison Barnes
Doron Lamb
Patrick Young
Corey Joseph
etc., etc.
Seems to have picked up his energy of late and be enjoying himself more than he was for a while there. Hopefully that's an indication he's gotten over the hump and is enjoying himself. Hope so-there is potential there.
Quote from: nyg on March 11, 2011, 09:26:37 PM
Brandon Knight
Kyrie Irving
Harrison Barnes
Doron Lamb
Patrick Young
Corey Joseph
etc., etc.
They may not be considering transferring but how many will be at their school next season?
Quote from: lab_warrior on March 11, 2011, 08:38:55 PM
"My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious. "
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_uAgLSM9VhDY/TRp5G0er6pI/AAAAAAAAACk/F7rkFoN3OK0/s1600/simone2.jpg)
Honestly, enough of these rumor-mongering garbage posts.
Mmmmm,.....Kristy Swanson.
I dont want to hijack this Kristy Swanson thread... still crushing over her... but the fact there is talk about at solid college player not "making it" at Marquette shows we are a top program. Blue is going to be great for us. Keep watching.
"well connected alumni" = JS commenters.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 12, 2011, 06:54:04 AM
"well connected alumni" = JS commenters.
Or the espn national boards. ::)
Quote from: willie warrior on March 11, 2011, 09:21:01 PM
Jeremy Lamb
Calhoun can coach, but follow that program and you'll realize there isn't one player that ever went through it and didn't think that they might have been crazy to play for that man.
Vander will be just fine at MU, and I think he's probably a bit surprised at how hard the transition to D1 ball in the BEAST is. It's on him to realize he needs to improve his game, and its on Buzz to help him do so. I believe Buzz is capable and Vander is willing. I believe he'll stay and we'll see great things from him at MU.
Quote from: avid1010 on March 12, 2011, 07:13:08 AM
Calhoun can coach, but follow that program and you'll realize there isn't one player that ever went through it and didn't think that they might have been crazy to play for that man.
Vander will be just fine at MU, and I think he's probably a bit surprised at how hard the transition to D1 ball in the BEAST is. It's on him to realize he needs to improve his game, and its on Buzz to help him do so. I believe Buzz is capable and Vander is willing. I believe he'll stay and we'll see great things from him at MU.
I think we've all been a little surprised at how hard the transition has been for him.
I've appreciated how he's kept his head up and worked hard this year. He understands that he needs to get better, and he will. . . . at Marquette.
He was looking the part in the OOC portion and then met the BE. He was able to get to the hoop, eat up on defense and play more free. Mr. Blue Meet the BE Wall like any freshman. It is a tough dose of reality in a guard dominated league where it is dog eat dog, and experience is king. Is it any wonder that three freshman have walked away from (before) it over the Buzz regime as the staff tries to harden and prepare them? Vander has struggled mightily through it and will be much better for it.
He has learned he needs to get stronger. That getting to the hoop is not as easy as in high school or OOC. That word of a soft handle gets out quickly. And that a mid and long range game opens up your driving lanes to do what you do best. The natural talent is there, the will and work ethic are there, just a lot of work to do to become BE ready. Don't think the kid is one to run from a challenge.
He plays hard, he's got a long way to go. My guess is he won't wuss out.
Wow. Just woke up from a nice night's sleep in Tel Aviv, and, I heard got an email from a well-placed source that says the entire starting five is really unhappy at not playing a full 40 minutes and they are going to leave. THe problem with this is that the bench is super p.o.'d that they won't have any time at all so they are leaving too.
Crap! Back to the drawing board I guess. This is all Buzz' fault. Fire him!
Absolute garbage post! I quit reading after ~5th reply. I really question your motives here.
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on March 12, 2011, 09:40:18 AM
Wow. Just woke up from a nice night's sleep in Tel Aviv, and, I heard got an email from a well-placed source that says the entire starting five is really unhappy at not playing a full 40 minutes and they are going to leave. THe problem with this is that the bench is super p.o.'d that they won't have any time at all so they are leaving too.
Crap! Back to the drawing board I guess. This is all Buzz' fault. Fire him!
Niv, come back. we need some behind the back passes!
When people talk about Scoop being a garbage site they are talking about Bull$h!tt like this thread.
Quote from: mikem91288 on March 12, 2011, 10:53:26 AM
When people talk about Scoop being a garbage site they are talking about Bull$h!tt like this thread.
+100
I don't want to start anything, but I heard a horrible rumor (from very well placed sources) that Jimmy Butler is considering not coming back next year??????? WTF??????????
Vander will eventually lead this team. He is struggling in his play and needs to get game experience to improve...as well as dedicate the hours to shooting in the gym.
Work on the shot.
Keep taking it strong to the rim (i.e., DUNK IT MAN!).
Keep shutting down the defenders.
He'll be unstoppable.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on March 12, 2011, 12:59:15 PM
Vander will eventually lead this team. He is struggling in his play and needs to get game experience to improve...as well as dedicate the hours to shooting in the gym.
Work on the shot.
Keep taking it strong to the rim (i.e., DUNK IT MAN!).
Keep shutting down the defenders.
He'll be unstoppable.
And he may very well end up playing the point, ala Tony Smith's past development path.
Quote from: AZWarrior on March 12, 2011, 01:10:16 PM
And he may very well end up playing the point, ala Tony Smith's past development path.
Blue will not play the point.
Quote from: buckchuckler on March 12, 2011, 12:49:31 PM
I don't want to start anything, but I heard a horrible rumor (from very well placed sources) that Jimmy Butler is considering not coming back next year??????? WTF??????????
Also Joe Fulce, unless he gets a job as an assistant.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on March 12, 2011, 12:59:15 PM
Vander will eventually lead this team. He is struggling in his play and needs to get game experience to improve...as well as dedicate the hours to shooting in the gym.
Work on the shot.
Keep taking it strong to the rim (i.e., DUNK IT MAN!).
Keep shutting down the defenders.
He'll be unstoppable.
Blue by his senior year will bear an eerie resemblance to Purdue's E'twaun Moore--and I am very much looking forward to it.