If Georgetown gets beat today, is it possible if not likely that MU ends up with a better seed than they do? The overall body of work would say no, but that overall body of work included Chris Wright, and they frankly have stunk since he's been gone. I know they are maintaining their claim that he may be back for the tournament, but if they seed the team that will play in the tournament, they are likley to get hammered because of his absence, no?
Would also likely depend on what we do tonight for a dance seed compared to Georgetown. They would likely still get a higher seed becuase of RPI/Poll Ranking.
Gtown's getting a beatdown in the first half.....a Warrior win tonight could go a long way.
Georgetown is a bit like MU when James went down. Kind of tough to really tell how good they are without Wright because they've played nothing but excellent teams. They may have still lost those games, but not nearly as badly. I hope he gets back healthy in time for the NCAA's, it sucks to see a senior star go down like that.
If MU beats WVU tonight - any merit to the idea of MU getting a higher seed than WVU? WVU currently 17 on S-Curve...but if MU goes 2-0 against the Mountaineers for the season...??
Georgetown without Wright does not deserve a bid. The commitee may or may not take that into account. I still thin the commitee will be looking hard at each team before they give the Big East 11 bids. Georgetown, Villanova and MU will be scrutinized heavily.
I'm guessing that the seeding of the BEast teams--especially if 11 get in, as currently expected by most folks--it likely to be odd, and perhaps inconsistent and frustrating to some teams. With the committee's aim to have conference matchups avoided, and the need to deal with site limitations, I think they'll need to shift a few teams up or down to make things work.
Now, if G'town loses today, with Villanova already out, MU could play themselves into the good side of those adjustments by winning tonight (and beyond). Overall, though, I think that trying to predict seeding will be more difficult this year than ever before, due to loads of BEast teams, the 69 team tournament, and the weak bubble.
Quote from: mug644 on March 09, 2011, 12:51:48 PM
I'm guessing that the seeding of the BEast teams--especially if 11 get in, as currently expected by most folks--it likely to be odd, and perhaps inconsistent and frustrating to some teams. With the committee's aim to have conference matchups avoided, and the need to deal with site limitations, I think they'll need to shift a few teams up or down to make things work.
Now, if G'town loses today, with Villanova already out, MU could play themselves into the good side of those adjustments by winning tonight (and beyond). Overall, though, I think that trying to predict seeding will be more difficult this year than ever before, due to loads of BEast teams, the 69 team tournament, and the weak bubble.
With everything that's gone on this year, I'll be happy with any seed at all. I would prefer to be one of the 60 teams with a first round bye, but I don't want to be greedy.
Quote from: TJ on March 09, 2011, 01:07:32 PM
With everything that's gone on this year, I'll be happy with any seed at all. I would prefer to be one of the 60 teams with a first round bye, but I don't want to be greedy.
I'm the same way. And, despite knowing that my words won't stop it, I think the banter about possible seeding is even more speculative this year than ever.
Tim Higgins and Jim Burr part of the crew reffing the St. John's/Rutgers match-up. How many crews work the 4 games today? 4? 2? 1?
I would HATE to have those two for our game... *shudder*
Quote from: bilsu on March 09, 2011, 12:18:24 PM
Georgetown without Wright does not deserve a bid. The commitee may or may not take that into account. I still thin the commitee will be looking hard at each team before they give the Big East 11 bids. Georgetown, Villanova and MU will be scrutinized heavily.
And I've thought all along that was the reason Gtown has consistently said "we think Wright will be able to go for the NCAA" - they'll get a bid if it's possible he'll play, but not if he's done for the year. So, just say it's possible, an they're in (which they will be...). But likely Wright will not be able to play.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 09, 2011, 01:33:20 PM
And I've thought all along that was the reason Gtown Marquette has consistently said "we think Wright McNeal will be able to go for the NCAA" - they'll get a bid if it's possible he'll play, but not if he's done for the year. So, just say it's possible, an they're in (which they will be...). But likely Wright will not be able to play.
2007'd
Quote from: Henry Sugar on March 09, 2011, 01:40:18 PM
2007'd
Hah. Yes. BTW...did I miss it, how was our D last night (by the numbers, of course...)?
Quote from: socrplar125 on March 09, 2011, 01:32:02 PM
Tim Higgins and Jim Burr part of the crew reffing the St. John's/Rutgers match-up. How many crews work the 4 games today? 4? 2? 1?
I would HATE to have those two for our game... *shudder*
I think its more entertaining to watch Higgins run than to watch the game itself
D was pretty good last night. Only allowed 0.90 ppp and 45% on eFG%. And since it's all about eFG%. Don't know if we really made PC uncomfortable, though, because their conference average is right around 45%.
Didn't turn PC over much, but they're one of the best teams in the conference at protecting the ball.
Did a pretty good job on the defensive boards too, holding PC well under their average. Usually PC gets a rebound on 1/3 missed shots. We only allowed 1/4 missed shots.
Quote from: socrplar125 on March 09, 2011, 01:32:02 PM
Tim Higgins and Jim Burr part of the crew reffing the St. John's/Rutgers match-up. How many crews work the 4 games today? 4? 2? 1?
I would HATE to have those two for our game... *shudder*
I believe they have 2 so I assume we will get this crew.
Thanks for running/posting the numbers HS - oddly something I look forward to (especially when we win).
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 09, 2011, 02:02:01 PM
I believe they have 2 so I assume we will get this crew.
Isn't a 9:30 tip (I'm assuming it will be delayed like last night) a little late for those old b@stards?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 09, 2011, 02:02:01 PM
I believe they have 2 so I assume we will get this crew.
They change the crews for every game, so we will not have Burr or Higgins tonight.
I'm not so sure about that. A few years ago anyway, the first session first game crew did the first game of the second session. The first session second game crew did the second game of the second session.
Maybe it has changed.
Rutgers and St. John's are going down to the wire. Tied at 60 with a minute to go.
St. John's up 1 with 20 seconds to go. Rutgers ball.
And Rutgers turns it over.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 09, 2011, 03:30:07 PM
And Rutgers turns it over.
Just proves that you should never pass to a white guy.
Huge screw up by Rutgers. Their Big Man commits an Ole fould ala Otule/Gardner 25 feet from the basket trying to block the Guard's dribble. Why these teams do this is beyond me. Same thing that MU does.
St john's fouls up 3. rutgers hits both FT. st johns turns over the inbounds... wow. 13 seconds st johns by 1
Quote from: Bocephys on March 09, 2011, 03:30:49 PM
Just proves that you should never pass to a white guyDwight Hardy.
Fixed
Can Rutgers go the length of the floor in 4 seconds?
Wow. Rutgers on bad end of two no calls.
How come Lavin did not get a warning being two feet out of the Coach's box?
and then the refs just quit on the game!! thats absolutely terrible. beyond pitiful.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 09, 2011, 03:37:53 PM
Can Rutgers go the length of the floor in 4 seconds?
Dumb inbounds play and terrible officiating at the end. He was out of bounds with 2 full seconds left at half court. Boy Higgins and them are awful.
Quote from: Rollout-the-Barrel on March 09, 2011, 03:38:15 PM
Wow. Rutgers on bad end of two no calls.
there was definitely a foul on the inbounds. then a travel/step out of bounds that wasn't called.
i'll say it again: I HOPE WE DON'T HAVE HIGGINS/BURR TONIGHT!!!
And the refs run away! double wow!!
I'd be pissed if I was a rutgers fan.
horrible officiating in the last 14 seconds, every non-call benefiting St. John's.
What a joke of an ending.....no foul called on the over the back on the free throw and St. Johns guy steps out of bounds with 1.7 seconds left, throws the ball into the stands and they end the game anyway. I think I saw Higgins.
Quote from: Rollout-the-Barrel on March 09, 2011, 03:38:15 PM
Wow. Rutgers on bad end of two no calls.
THREE bad calls. Coburn got mugged, it was over the back, and they should have had the ball back at 1.7.
Also, horrible call by Lavin to foul with 17 seconds left. I'm indifferent between fouling/not fouling under 6 seconds, but 17 is indefensible.
Lavin just called it "Keystone Cops" reffing at the end. Awesome!
Rutgers just got fucked 3 times at the end. They were fouled on their last shot, St. John's went over the back on the FT rebound that ended up out of bounds to StJ, and the Johnnie clearly traveled and went out of bounds with 1.7 seconds left. Forget the no-calls on the fouls, Rutgers absolutely should have the ball out at mid court with 1.7 left.
What a fucking joke.
That officiating is unacceptable for this level.
thats entirely on Burr & Co. for being such obstinate pricks and running off the floor too. they knew they made mistakes, and they talk themselves up to have such thick skins, theyre running off the floor before the game is even over.
Quote from: SaintPaulWarrior on March 09, 2011, 03:41:24 PM
What a joke of an ending.....no foul called on the over the back on the free throw and St. Johns guy steps out of bounds with 1.7 seconds left, throws the ball into the stands and they end the game anyway. I think I saw Higgins.
It was Higgins AND Burr. Hopefully this game ends their careers. Never seen refs get torched like this on national television before, it's unbelievable!
gottlieb calling out Burr and Higgins by name too after the game. wow. i dont think ive ever seen things unravel like this before.
Terrible officiating...and not only the travel/out of bounds but what about that being a technical when the St.john's player whipped the ball into the stand with time on the clock?
Gottlieb: "...they [Burr and Higgins] need to not officiate in the tournament anymore."
just the tournament? how about college basketball anywhere, anytime.
Love that they were called out by espn. Now if they could only retire to rec league reffing.
Quote from: socrplar125 on March 09, 2011, 03:47:10 PM
Gottlieb: "...they [Burr and Higgins] need to not officiate in the tournament anymore."
just the tournament? how about college basketball anywhere, anytime.
Seriously. How is time remaining on the clock not reviewable? Let alone the technical for the thrown ball.
Well, at least this incident should guarantee we don't have to see them for the rest of the BET. Hopefully the NCAA does the same and we don't have to see them until next year, if ever again...
Man, just look at the list of games today...
Pitt v. UConn
Syracuse v. SJU
ND v. UC
Marquette v. Uof L
Those top two in particular...Man! Just another Thursday afternoon in the Big East.
It Redemption Night! More doable if Higgins and Burr are indisposed.
Despite all the bad karma for Rutgers, they are going to be competitive next year. I really like their young Coach. I was also at the Seton Hall game last Saturday when some other team was wearing Marquette uniforms. Wow, what a great venue Seton Hall now plays in. The Rock is a great place to watch a game. We had cushioned seats only 10 back from the court. Yes, I live in New Jersey and GO WARRIORS.
UCONN and PITT are tied with 3 and a half to go.
UCONN up three on number one PITT with 49 seconds to go.
This conference, and especially the tournament, is unbelievably talented and entertaining.
Ashton Gibbs hit a 3 to tie it at 74.
UCONN ball with 47 seconds to play.
Walker missed a shot with 18 seconds left, however, UCONN got the rebound and called a timeout. They will have a chance to win it right here.
unbelievable
Kemba nails a shot with a second left to win it 76-74.
How long until Boehiem starts complaining about the double bye?
Kemba Walker is magical. No other way to put it really.
Making us look good with how we played him
Kemba with one second left from the top of the key to win it.
What a shot. Another fun game.
This tournament has been unbelievable! I'd love to see us go deep in this tournament now - MSG is the focal point of the CBB world until selection Sunday. Let's get greedy and make a statement!
Wow. Were the x-rays on Gary McGee's ankles negative?
Syracuse/St. John's is looking to go down to the wire as well.
62-60 Syracuse with 7 to go.
Here we go again... Syracuse up 68-67 with 3 and a half to go.
Aside from the UCONN/DePaul game and the Marquette/Providence game, every game has been a nail biter.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 10, 2011, 01:15:32 PM
Wow. Were the x-rays on Gary McGee's ankles negative?
Yes, but he compound fractured his dignity
Syracuse takes it.
Poetic justice. Syracuse played better, and the game wouldn't have even been close if they wouldn't have called a BS hand check on Triche in the final minutes.
Of course, had the officiating been perfect there's a high likelihood St. John's wouldn't have been in the Battle of NY in the first place