I posted this in the Philip Nolan thread but thought it worthy of its own discussion.
This blogger was incensed that Buzz made the he and the Media (and Philip Nolan) wait 75 minutes after the Seton Hall Game to talk to him.
http://jimhaguesports.blogspot.com/2011/03/theres-no-buzz-with-marquettes-coach.html?spref=fb
In his post he said this ....
The NCAA and Big East Conference have regulations that the coaches are supposed to adhere to after games. There's a 10-minute cooling-off period, followed by the losing coach and losing players, then winning coach and winning players. It's a policy that is religiously enforced during the entire NCAA Tournament.
Has anyone heard of this rule before as it relates to BE regular season games? I have not.
down in the comment section he then wrote ....
No, it's not the first time Buzz has pulled this routine...In fact, he did almost the same thing last year at Newark and Marquette won that game. He wasn't found for about a half hour last year. This was far worse.
And no, it's not the first time this year, because I received assurance from the Big East office that he had done it ''several times'' and was already once warned.
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Has anyone heard about any of this before? I have not. Has Buzz gotten in trouble with the BE for taking too much time to talk to the media after a game? Has he repeatedly violated this rule?
Seriously, who cares?
Something tells me that's not the first time that dude's been stood up.
Jim Hague is reporting that the Big East has put Buzz on double secret probation and that he (Hague) has been awarded a pulitzer for an expose' on meanness in middle school girls field hockey.
I thought the rule was in place for Big East tournament. I was not aware it appled to regular season games.
Taco Bell is open till 2.....what's this cat crowing about?
What's the BE gonna do besides lighten his wallet a bit? And who cares??
This guy's mad because he couldn't update his blog on time? He has 13 followers... ouch.
Stop giving this guy page views. He's a joke.
Well, it's possible for the BE to fine him and possibly even suspend him for a conference game or two. That's why it's interesting - regardless of the source.
Anyone know of any precedent in the BE? I can't imagine with the number of star/HoF coaches in the BE that this hasn't happened before.
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 07, 2011, 07:50:00 PM
Taco Bell is open till 2.....what's this cat crowing about?
+1
From his picture I thought he was pissed because he hadn't eaten since the second half of the game!
Quote from: ZiggysF*ckinFryBoy on March 07, 2011, 07:59:33 PM
What's the BE gonna do besides lighten his wallet a bit? And who cares??
Hit the billfold, but leave the sweet tea alone. Rules are made to be broken, aina F*ckin'?
This guy get more interesting by the hour he just added this to the comments section.
Apparently he is an MU grad and get this ...
As for your knowledge of the Tyshawn Taylor recruiting, you couldn't be more wrong...and I know how everything went down....Hurley, someone who I've known for over 40 years, did not influence Taylor one way or the other...He let Taylor make the decision, but the early morning phone call certainly didn't help....
And I am not wrong about Taylor...In fact, I was trying to persuade Taylor to come to Marquette and taught him the fight song and sang it with him on many occasions prior to him making the commitment....
And when Taylor made his commitment, Hurley made sure that I was the first one he told, because it was my alma mater.
Do you actually think I want to see my alma mater fail?????
You can't blame the guy for getting a little exercised about the long wait - both of his followers were very upset!
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 07, 2011, 10:12:38 PM
This guy get more interesting by the hour he just added this to the comments section.
Apparently he is an MU grad and get this ...
As for your knowledge of the Tyshawn Taylor recruiting, you couldn't be more wrong...and I know how everything went down....Hurley, someone who I've known for over 40 years, did not influence Taylor one way or the other...He let Taylor make the decision, but the early morning phone call certainly didn't help....
And I am not wrong about Taylor...In fact, I was trying to persuade Taylor to come to Marquette and taught him the fight song and sang it with him on many occasions prior to him making the commitment....
And when Taylor made his commitment, Hurley made sure that I was the first one he told, because it was my alma mater.
Do you actually think I want to see my alma mater fail?????
Well, it's a recruiting violation for alums to talk to recruits like that before they sign and it's B.S. that Hurley didn't influence Taylor.
A high school coach who starts bitching about the letter of intent release within a couple hours of a coach being reported as leaving by ESPN isn't thinking about another school option? Yeah right and Bob Hurley and Kansas assistant Joe Dooley aren't tight either. Just remember that Bill Self and Dooley were in a New Jersey hotel waiting for Taylor's letter of intent release.
I'm pretty sure alums can talk to recruits. Especially if they are press members and after they sign their LOI.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 08, 2011, 07:11:51 AM
I'm pretty sure alums can talk to recruits. Especially if they are press members and after they sign their LOI.
That is not what he said ....
I was trying to persuade Taylor to come to Marquette and taught him the fight song and sang it with him on many occasions prior to him making the commitment....I read that as he was tampering in the recruiting process well before the LOI.
I'm and alumni, I go to games and I give MU money. If I start a blog and call myself a "journalist" does that give me license to call MU recruits and start badgering them to go to MU? Can I stand in their front yard and scream out "Ring out ahoya" too?
Well alum doesn't mean booster anyway. He's a putz no doubt but I doubt this was a recruiting violation.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 08, 2011, 07:20:31 AM
Well alum doesn't mean booster anyway. He's a putz no doubt but I doubt this was a recruiting violation.
Actually, if you read the post from MUs compliance official, am alum is a booster by default.
Rosiak quote Crowder saying that that last time Buzz held the guys that long after a game was the Badger game.
The showing against Seton Hall was so poor and the timing so troubling, in fact, that Williams afterward held a closed-door meeting that ran well over an hour in the team's Prudential Center locker room.
"Last time I can remember one that long was probably after Wisconsin," Jae Crowder said. "We blew an opportunity; we didn't do what we needed to do; we didn't handle business. But we still have a chance."
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/117562413.html (http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/117562413.html)
Quote from: pbiflyer on March 08, 2011, 07:39:50 AM
Actually, if you read the post from MUs compliance official, am alum is a booster by default.
And putting aside the fact that he's a "journalist" (I don't know how that affects things), particularly so if he's "
trying to persuade Taylor to come to Marquette and taught him the fight song and sang it with him on many occasions prior to him making the commitment...."
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 08, 2011, 09:21:15 AM
And putting aside the fact that he's a "journalist" (I don't know how that affects things), particularly so if he's "trying to persuade Taylor to come to Marquette and taught him the fight song and sang it with him on many occasions prior to him making the commitment...."
I would suggest the journalist angle is this: no serious, credible, ethical journalist would use his position and access to a high school kid to attempt to influence where he goes to school.
So, either Mr. Hague is lying about his interactions with Tyshawn Taylor or he has zero credibility as a journalist. Either way, it's not good for him.
He is a journalist and an award winning one. Journalists do have jobs to do. He wasn't there on assignment for his blog, he was on assignment for his paper.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Hague
He also happens to be on staff at a Big East school...Rutgers. I'm pretty sure he knows the rules. He's been a beat writer for college and pro teams for a long time.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 08, 2011, 09:46:09 AM
He also happens to be on staff at a Big East school...Rutgers. I'm pretty sure he knows the rules. He's been a beat writer for college and pro teams for a long time.
Not quite. Rutgers-Newark is a D3 satellite campus. That's where he works.
Dude is a hack. The fact that he would omit the real school he works for shows that.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 08, 2011, 09:46:09 AM
He's been a beat writer for college and pro teams for a long time.
No he hasn't.
He's a freelancer who, when he had a staff gig, worked primarily for a bunch of newspapers in the 30-40,000 circulation range.
No shame in that. It's a brutal industry to try to carve out a living in these days and plenty of very talented people work at smaller newspapers. But let's not make out Mr. Hague to be something he isn't. He hasn't been a beat writer for college or pro teams for a long time, and he doesn't work for a Big East school. He's the PA announcer for a Division III basketball team.
Regardless, this whole tempest in a teapot is ridiculous and anyone who thinks less of Buzz over it is an idiot. If he broke a rule, the Big East will deal with him, I'm sure. But any "rulebreaking" he engaged in was the result of him trying to do what's best for his team going forward. If that offended the fragile sensibilities of a small-town freelancer, I can live with that.
Thanks for the clarification...I saw Rutgers...my bad.
Doesn't change the fact he was there to do a job.
All that being said, I don't mind that Buzz chewed his guys out. Buzz is an adult, he knows the rules and will have to accept any punishment if there is any. I also sympathize with the reporters trying to do their jobs.
It's a two way street. Calling the guy a hack? Seems uncalled for.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 08, 2011, 10:15:10 AM
Thanks for the clarification...I saw Rutgers...my bad.
Doesn't change the fact he was there to do a job.
All that being said, I don't mind that Buzz chewed his guys out. Buzz is an adult, he knows the rules and will have to accept any punishment if there is any. I also sympathize with the reporters trying to do their jobs.
It's a two way street. Calling the guy a hack? Seems uncalled for.
Then he probably should stop acting like a hack. I'm perfectly willing to admit that he might be a good journalist, but the piece he did about Buzz was not indicative of that. He was pissed because Buzz made him wait, and he let it affect his writing. I can understand why he was pissed. Being pissed doesn't make him a hack. Letting his anger affect his work makes him a hack. Perhaps this piece does not reflect on the overall quality of his work, but his unapologetic nature makes me wonder.
And while I'm certainly no expert on NCAA regulations relating to boosters, it makes me squirm to hear about an alum who is openly admitting that he's "trying to persuade" uncommitted recruits to come to Marquette. I suspect that Marquette's compliance office might prefer that he stick to his journalism duties and leave the recruiting to the basketball staff.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 08, 2011, 10:15:10 AM
It's a two way street. Calling the guy a hack? Seems uncalled for.
Calling him "Bonehead Buzz" repeatedly doesn't exactly scream professionalism.
So pbi I am not allowed to convince a student athlete to come to MU? I doubt that is the intent of the rule.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 08, 2011, 10:37:39 AM
So pbi I am not allowed to convince a student athlete to come to MU? I doubt that is the intent of the rule.
If you buy tickets, contribute to the program or in any other way can be deemed a booster, that is exactly the intent of the rule.
Q: Can a booster contact a prospect or their parents on or off campus?
Boosters cannot have any in-person recruiting contact with a prospect or the prospect's parents or legal guardian (s) or relatives on or off campus at any time. Again, you simply ARE NOT PERMITTED to attempt to recruit the prospect or discuss the athletic program. http://www.razorbackfoundation.com/ncaa.htm
I lived on the same floor as Big Jim in McCormick. He was sort of funny, in a Chris Farley kind of way, but nowhere near as talented.
This article shows him to be as arrogant as most east coast writers are thought to be.
I remember he would wear a shirt and shorts that was totally red. Looked like a 350 pound tomato.
this cat reminds me of the knob shine who tried to sink Aquaman from the TV show entourage.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 07, 2011, 09:56:53 PM
Hit the billfold, but leave the sweet tea alone. Rules are made to be broken, aina F*ckin'?
Straight cash homey.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 08, 2011, 11:01:10 AM
If you buy tickets, contribute to the program or in any other way can be deemed a booster, that is exactly the intent of the rule.
Q: Can a booster contact a prospect or their parents on or off campus?
Boosters cannot have any in-person recruiting contact with a prospect or the prospect's parents or legal guardian (s) or relatives on or off campus at any time.
Again, you simply ARE NOT PERMITTED to attempt to recruit the prospect or discuss the athletic program.
Here is comparable information from Marquette's compliance office. (http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/blue-gold/spec-rel/121410aab.html)
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 08, 2011, 10:35:05 AM
Calling him "Bonehead Buzz" repeatedly doesn't exactly scream professionalism.
Totally agree with you. This is one of the problems I have with journalism in that often these guys will do one thing in the paper \ television, but something else on the radio or blogs. Two sets of standards. I see it a lot on the tv side. Look at some of the national television anchors, or cable network guys and their persona on tv vs what it is on the radio...totally different. Then get them on their blogs, different again.
Seems there are different expectations or freedoms of expression. I sympathize with the guy's job and the deadlines he has to meet. He's given an expectation that is enforced by rule from the conference that the coaches will be there. They were not...that puts him in a tough spot with his bosses, his deadlines, etc.
On the other hand, his comments on the blog were too personal considering his profession. It's not some random blog from some random fan, he's a journalist. That is where the anger is here. I get that, too. No excuse for some of his comments.
Then again, you have to wonder if Buzz just followed the rules, none of this would have happened. Doesn't excuse it, but the chain of events doesn't start.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 08, 2011, 01:05:49 PM
Totally agree with you. This is one of the problems I have with journalism in that often these guys will do one thing in the paper \ television, but something else on the radio or blogs. Two sets of standards. I see it a lot on the tv side. Look at some of the national television anchors, or cable network guys and their persona on tv vs what it is on the radio...totally different. Then get them on their blogs, different again.
Seems there are different expectations or freedoms of expression. I sympathize with the guy's job and the deadlines he has to meet. He's given an expectation that is enforced by rule from the conference that the coaches will be there. They were not...that puts him in a tough spot with his bosses, his deadlines, etc.
On the other hand, his comments on the blog were too personal considering his profession. It's not some random blog from some random fan, he's a journalist. That is where the anger is here. I get that, too. No excuse for some of his comments.
Then again, you have to wonder if Buzz just followed the rules, none of this would have happened. Doesn't excuse it, but the chain of events doesn't start.
I think the consensus is we don't care about an inconvenienced journalist. I also understand that pi**ing off journalists consistently usually doesn't help your cause.
Quote from: ringout on March 08, 2011, 01:14:05 PM
I think the consensus is we don't care about an inconvenienced journalist. I also understand that pi**ing off journalists consistently usually doesn't help your cause.
Correct...the pen (or keyboard) is mightier than the sword.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 08, 2011, 11:01:10 AM
If you buy tickets, contribute to the program or in any other way can be deemed a booster, that is exactly the intent of the rule.
Q: Can a booster contact a prospect or their parents on or off campus?
Boosters cannot have any in-person recruiting contact with a prospect or the prospect's parents or legal guardian (s) or relatives on or off campus at any time.
Again, you simply ARE NOT PERMITTED to attempt to recruit the prospect or discuss the athletic program.
http://www.razorbackfoundation.com/ncaa.htm
Ah Hah, there is nothing in there prohibiting teaching a potential recruit the school fight song!
If I were Hague, I'd be worried that Tyshawn would find out about the blog and bring a libel suit. The picture created in anyone's mind of Hague teaching Tyshawn to sing Ring On Ahoya cannot be anything but detrimental to Tyshawn's street cred.
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 08, 2011, 01:19:27 PM
Ah Hah, there is nothing in there prohibiting teaching a potential recruit the school fight song!
If I were Hague, I'd be worried that Tyshawn would find out about the blog and bring a libel suit. The picture created in anyone's mind of Hague teaching Tyshawn to sing Ring On Ahoya cannot be anything but detrimental to Tyshawn's street cred.
Point plnkn.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 08, 2011, 05:11:22 AM
You can't blame the guy for getting a little exercised about the long wait - both of his followers were very upset!
Hey, that's not fair. He has 13 followers, almost 600% more than you gaver him credit for.
And besides, how pissed can his mom be at him?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 08, 2011, 01:17:21 PM
Correct...the pen (or keyboard) is mightier than the sword.
Pens today are cheap, flimsy, and the ink is no longer poisonous. They just don't strike fear into the heart of tyrants like they did in the 19th century when journalists whipped their quills around like ninja throwing-stars.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 08, 2011, 01:17:21 PM
Correct...the pen (or keyboard) is mightier than the sword.
and we don't care about an inconvenienced journalist
Quote from: ringout on March 08, 2011, 02:10:02 PM
and we don't care about an inconvenienced journalist
I think we should
if this is a common occurrence (and that was, I think, the original point of this thread -- to find out if this is a common occurrence).
In isolation, I would much prefer that Buzz take the time to do/say what he thinks is necessary for the team. That team is his primary responsibility and he needs to take care of that business. If that inconveniences a reporter or two from time to time, so be it. However, media relations is also an important part of Buzz's job. If he's making a habit of this kind of thing (and I've
not heard from anyone else that he is), then it will come back and bite him in the ass. It's rare that I'd quote Clinton, but I remember a quote that I'm seeing attributed to him (although I thought it was older...I'm not going to research): "Never pick a fight with people who buy ink by the barrel." I'm not talking so much about this guy; but am talking about the situation if Buzz is frequently making the press wait for him after the games.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 08, 2011, 02:24:46 PM
I think we should if this is a common occurrence (and that was, I think, the original point of this thread -- to find out if this is a common occurrence).
In isolation, I would much prefer that Buzz take the time to do/say what he thinks is necessary for the team. That team is his primary responsibility and he needs to take care of that business. If that inconveniences a reporter or two from time to time, so be it. However, media relations is also an important part of Buzz's job. If he's making a habit of this kind of thing (and I've not heard from anyone else that he is), then it will come back and bite him in the ass. It's rare that I'd quote Clinton, but I remember a quote that I'm seeing attributed to him (although I thought it was older...I'm not going to research): "Never pick a fight with people who buy ink by the barrel." I'm not talking so much about this guy; but am talking about the situation if Buzz is frequently making the press wait for him after the games.
"Never pick a fight with people who buy ink by the barrel." is a Clinton quote, but he got a little help from Mark Twain who said:
"Never pick a fight with a man who buys his ink by the barrel."
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 08, 2011, 01:17:21 PM
Correct...the pen is mightier than the sword.
"You're sitting on a gold mine Trebek!"
(http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/1cfa3573-53b0-4d7e-ad24-91b75ba41d20.jpg)
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 08, 2011, 02:24:46 PM
I think we should if this is a common occurrence (and that was, I think, the original point of this thread -- to find out if this is a common occurrence).
I agree that if this is a long running problem, it needs to be addressed. I am not going to take Big Jim Hague's word for it.
For what it's worth, I think Hague is a great grandson of Frank Hague, the mob mayor of Jersey City (and a character in Empire Boardwalk). If I remember correctly, he worked in some PR capacity at St. Peter's when Douquet was coach there.
Quote from: ringout on March 08, 2011, 04:17:22 PM
I agree that if this is a long running problem, it needs to be addressed. I am not going to take Big Jim Hague's word for it.
For what it's worth, I think Hague is a great grandson of Frank Hague, the mob mayor of Jersey City (and a character in Empire Boardwalk). If I remember correctly, he worked in some PR capacity at St. Peter's when Douquet was coach there.
Wow, Dukiet had a mobster for his PR guy at St. Peter's. Now I finally understand how he got the MU job.
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 08, 2011, 01:19:27 PM
Ah Hah, there is nothing in there prohibiting teaching a potential recruit the school fight song!
If I were Hague, I'd be worried that Tyshawn would find out about the blog and bring a libel suit. The picture created in anyone's mind of Hague teaching Tyshawn to sing Ring On Ahoya cannot be anything but detrimental to Tyshawn's street cred.
I'm not for sure on that. The street version of Hail Alma Mater by Nelly gets me real loose.