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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Tugg Speedman on March 02, 2011, 11:40:39 PM

Poll
Question: Does MU Make The NCAA Tourney (post Cincy loss)
Option 1: 7 or lower seed votes: 1
Option 2: 8 seed votes: 1
Option 3: 9 seed votes: 7
Option 4: 10 seed votes: 68
Option 5: 11 seed votes: 51
Option 6: 12 or higher seed votes: 3
Option 7: No NCAA, NIT votes: 38
Title: Vote: Does MU Make The NCAA Tourney (post Cincy loss)
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 02, 2011, 11:40:39 PM
I voted 10 seed
Title: Re: Vote: Does MU Make The NCAA Tourney (post Cincy loss)
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 02, 2011, 11:42:47 PM
I said 8, and make us sweat it out against another inconsistent team.  And then face a #1 if we happen to win.
Title: Re: Vote: Does MU Make The NCAA Tourney (post Cincy loss)
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 02, 2011, 11:43:19 PM
Where's the "I think we've already beaten this dead horse into pulp", button?
Title: Re: Vote: Does MU Make The NCAA Tourney (post Cincy loss)
Post by: Tugg Speedman on March 02, 2011, 11:45:34 PM
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 02, 2011, 11:43:19 PM
Where's the "I think we've already beaten this dead horse into pulp", button?

Disagree .... this is a new poll started after the Cincy loss to gauge sentiment in the wake of that game.

Very relevant.
Title: Re: Vote: Does MU Make The NCAA Tourney (post Cincy loss)
Post by: Dawson Rental on March 02, 2011, 11:47:47 PM
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 02, 2011, 11:45:34 PM
Disagree .... this is a new poll started after the Cincy loss to gauge sentiment in the wake of that game.

Very relevant.

Even more relevant, I'm tired and getting cranky.
Title: Re: Vote: Does MU Make The NCAA Tourney (post Cincy loss)
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 03, 2011, 12:08:09 AM
Actually, even though I went for 8.  I probably should have said #9.  

Compare us to Wake Forest, Florida St. and Louisville last year...
http://kenpom.com/team.php?team=Wake%20Forest&y=2010
http://kenpom.com/team.php?team=Florida%20St.&y=2010
http://kenpom.com/team.php?team=Louisville&y=2010

Beat a few good teams, lost to a lot of good teams, and probably has a slim chance to knock off a #1.  Looks like a match no?  
Title: Re: Vote: Does MU Make The NCAA Tourney (post Cincy loss)
Post by: mikem91288 on March 03, 2011, 12:16:28 AM
Voted 10 seed. Agree with you AnotherMU84.

Poll is extremely relevant.

I think the only way we don't make it is with a loss at Seton Hall and a loss to a USF/Depaul in NYC.
Title: Re: Vote: Does MU Make The NCAA Tourney (post Cincy loss)
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 03, 2011, 12:35:37 AM
Quote from: mikem91288 on March 03, 2011, 12:16:28 AM
Voted 10 seed. Agree with you AnotherMU84.

Poll is extremely relevant.

I think the only way we don't make it is with a loss at Seton Hall and a loss to a USF/Depaul in NYC.

Imagine how tight our pucker holes will be playing USF in the first round if we lose this Saturday....a team that we beat by one point down in Tampa.  Let's hope like hell we win Saturday because that is not a game we are going to want to play in the BET with everything on the line.
Title: Re: Vote: Does MU Make The NCAA Tourney (post Cincy loss)
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 03, 2011, 06:25:32 AM
I think we will make it but the seed will not be reflective of our play.  Our seed will simply be whatever works best when they seed 11 Big East teams.
Title: Re: Vote: Does MU Make The NCAA Tourney (post Cincy loss)
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 03, 2011, 07:31:40 AM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 03, 2011, 12:35:37 AM
Imagine how tight our pucker holes will be playing USF in the first round if we lose this Saturday....a team that we beat by one point down in Tampa.  Let's hope like hell we win Saturday because that is not a game we are going to want to play in the BET with everything on the line.

This is nothing personal, and I don't mean to single you out.  But previous games and their scores shouldn't make you nervous or confident. 

As an example, we beat ND by 24, and then lost by 5 to them.  By your logic, we shouldn't have been worried about playing ND the second time.  Do you suppose we will beat SHU by 19 tonight, or are you worried?

I guess my point is that previous games do not indicate future success or failure... There are way too many factors in any game to show any sort of correllation.
Title: Re: Vote: Does MU Make The NCAA Tourney (post Cincy loss)
Post by: T-Bone on March 03, 2011, 08:00:45 AM
The past 3 years have been surprising with a higher seed than expected.  Hope this continues.
Title: Re: Vote: Does MU Make The NCAA Tourney (post Cincy loss)
Post by: mu_hilltopper on March 03, 2011, 08:33:32 AM
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 03, 2011, 07:31:40 AM
I guess my point is that previous games do not indicate future success or failure... There are way too many factors in any game to show any sort of correllation.

No correlation?  So if we played Cincy again today, you wouldn't be (more) worried about a loss?

Sure, there's an Any Given Sunday law of the universe, but Cincy was, and is, the better team.  They didn't just win on a lack second lucky shot or a bad call.  They dominated us for 40 minutes.  Prior to 7pm yesterday, it was unknown how we stacked up against Cincy.  Now we know. 
Title: Re: Vote: Does MU Make The NCAA Tourney (post Cincy loss)
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 03, 2011, 09:17:10 AM
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 03, 2011, 08:33:32 AM
No correlation?  So if we played Cincy again today, you wouldn't be (more) worried about a loss?

Well, no.  So far we've split with all the teams we've played twice (ND, UConn), both home and away.   So, playing Cincy again I'd feel more confident about winning.  However, I am less confident about winning at SH, though I hope we do!

I know, it doesn't make a ton of sense, but I'm oddly confident about splitting again teams we've played twice.
Title: Re: Vote: Does MU Make The NCAA Tourney (post Cincy loss)
Post by: mu_hilltopper on March 03, 2011, 09:36:44 AM
Ah, so based on four games that we split, that's the pattern you're going to base future games on?

Gotcha.
Title: Re: Vote: Does MU Make The NCAA Tourney (post Cincy loss)
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 03, 2011, 10:43:05 AM
You were asking about a correlation, and asking about playing cincy again.  Do you have better correlation?  I figure the two other opponents we've played twice is the best one we've got.
Title: Re: Vote: Does MU Make The NCAA Tourney (post Cincy loss)
Post by: reinko on March 03, 2011, 11:04:02 AM
Mod Fight!

Get yo popcorn ready!

Title: Re: Vote: Does MU Make The NCAA Tourney (post Cincy loss)
Post by: RawdogDX on March 03, 2011, 11:48:19 AM
Quote from: reinko on March 03, 2011, 11:04:02 AM
Mod Fight!

Get yo popcorn ready!



They're so evenly matched.  Look at those post counts.
Title: Re: Vote: Does MU Make The NCAA Tourney (post Cincy loss)
Post by: TallTitan34 on March 03, 2011, 12:01:03 PM
I'd like to get the wingspans of each mod before I take a side.
Title: Re: Vote: Does MU Make The NCAA Tourney (post Cincy loss)
Post by: reinko on March 03, 2011, 12:19:59 PM
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 03, 2011, 12:01:03 PM
I'd like to get the wingspans of each mod before I take a side.

I'd take SoCal, he is the silent ninja warrior type mod.
Title: Re: Vote: Does MU Make The NCAA Tourney (post Cincy loss)
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 03, 2011, 12:24:05 PM
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 03, 2011, 07:31:40 AM
This is nothing personal, and I don't mean to single you out.  But previous games and their scores shouldn't make you nervous or confident. 

As an example, we beat ND by 24, and then lost by 5 to them.  By your logic, we shouldn't have been worried about playing ND the second time.  Do you suppose we will beat SHU by 19 tonight, or are you worried?

I guess my point is that previous games do not indicate future success or failure... There are way too many factors in any game to show any sort of correllation.

Agree to some extent, but let me offer another viewpoint.    Clearly, South Florida knows they can play with us as they controlled MU for what seemed like 30 minutes.  They will be riding high, this is their post season and they give us fits.  If MU loses Saturday, how tight will we be? All the pressure is on us, nothing on USF. 

I'd add that in the ND game, MU played ND without one of their better players and I'm sure ND felt a bunch more confident with him in the rematch against us.  In essence, those were two different ND teams we played because of the personnel.

We need to take care of business on Saturday in the worst way.

Go Warriors!!
Title: Re: Vote: Does MU Make The NCAA Tourney (post Cincy loss)
Post by: ChicosBailBonds on March 05, 2011, 07:09:59 PM
You can start another one of these Another
Title: Re: Vote: Does MU Make The NCAA Tourney (post Cincy loss)
Post by: chren21 on March 05, 2011, 07:11:17 PM
I saved my vote.  No
Title: Re: Vote: Does MU Make The NCAA Tourney (post Cincy loss)
Post by: rocky_warrior on March 05, 2011, 07:11:41 PM
Ah yes Chicos being "right" is the only thing that makes Chicos happier than MU winning.  Sad.
Title: Re: Vote: Does MU Make The NCAA Tourney (post Cincy loss)
Post by: 77ncaachamps on March 05, 2011, 07:15:01 PM
Quote from: chren21 on March 05, 2011, 07:11:17 PM
I saved my vote.  No

As did I.

No need to run another poll. I know what the outcome will be.
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